The Human Extinction Survey

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Published on the Doomstead Diner on May 17. 2015

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human-extinctionEarly on when I began my journey into the World of Collapse, probably the biggest and most contentious issue that got kicked around on the Collapse forums and blogs was whether the monetary system would collapse in Hyperinflation or Deflation.  In fact here on the Diner itself this remains one of the most popular threads, with more than 30 pages of posts at this point.

Lately however, the Doom community has become more Doomerish, and what is being kicked around now is whether Homo Saps are bound for Extinction, not in some long distant future but in the Near Term.  In fact, some folks like Guy McPherson of Nature Bats Last are predicting this Extinction Level Event will occur as early as 2030, only 15 years down the line from present day.  Obviously, if you are in the process of going Extinct, the monetary issues pale before that one!  LOL.  For the purposes of this survey though, we will consider anything under a Century as "Near Term".

In an effort to get a better clue on what people think will occur here (and WHEN!?) as we move along the Collapse Highway, I worked up a little Survey utilizing yet another of the numerous Plugins I have installed lately to spruce up the Diner before I Buy My Ticket to the Great Beyond TM. 🙂

Before you take the Main Survey, if you haven't done so already here on the Diner, you may want to place yourself in on our Taxonomy of Doomer Types Survey.  If you have already done this survey before, don't do it again, it will skew the results.  I haven't got a way yet to stop Duplicates out by User.  I don't want to require email addys or any identification for these polls, as I think that would discourage readers from responding to them.

I came up with this taxonomy back in my days Blogging on The Burning Platform with Jim Quinn.  I had just 2 categories for it back then, now I am up to 4 with it.  Here's the old table though for some descriptions.  This goes back to 2011 BTW.

Topic

Doom Lite

Full Doom

 Dollar & Monetary System  We can fix the monetary system and rehabilitate the Dollar if we STOP PRINTING, feed Helicopter Ben to the Lions, Slash Spending, allow TBTF Banks to FAIL, Incarcerate the Criminal Banksters and use Precious Metals to underpin the currency.  The monetary system cannot be rehabilitated by any means, there will be a complete collapse of ALL Fiat money and financial instruments and commerce will for quite some time be mainly Barter.  PMs will only retain value in areas where there is a surplus of basic commodities.
Inflation, Hyper-Inflation, Deflation, Stagflation, DICK UP YOUR ASSFLATION WTF CARES ANYMORE?  WE ARE TOAST NO MATTER HOW IT COLLAPSES. WTF CARES ANYMORE?  WE ARE TOAST NO MATTER HOW IT COLLAPSES.
Energy To resolve our Energy problems, we must IMMEDIATELY begin building more Nukes, Drill Baby Drill for more Local Oil and build more Hydro Plants and Wind Farms, and eventually pick up the slack from lost energy from Imported Oil sources. Lost Energy from depleted Oil is Irreplaceable and it is far too late to stop an extensive Power Down throughout society which will halt most of our Transportation methods and bring down the Electrical Grid.  Our only choice is to prepare for a Low Energy footprint in the future.
 Goobermint  We can fix Da Goobermint if we Vote Out all the scumbag CONgress Critters and replace them with Honest Politicians who cannot be Bought who all demonstrate the Wisdom of the Founding Fathers and abide by the Constitution.  Said new Goobermint will be made much smaller with fewer Regulations and less Taxation, allowing Commerce to revive as the Free Market takes over.  Da Goobermint is inherently unfixable and corrupt and cannot be rehabilitated via the Ballot Box.  Only a Revolution can remove the current power structure, and the results of a Revolution will likely bring a new Goobermint as bad or WORSE than the current one.  The failure of the monetary sytem and energy systems will eventually render all large scale Goobermints unable to function, with the power vacuum filled by local Warlords and Dictators in most places.
Jobs We must stop the offshoring of Productive Jobs and rebuild our Manufacturing Base in order to build an export based Mercantilist economy with a Trade Surplus. The Industrial Model is FINISHED, even if we could rebuild Factories here in the FSofA, we wouldn’t have the Oil to run them anyhow, and there won’t be anyone here or abroad who could afford the products we build with them anyhow, because of the upward spiraling cost of energy measured in EROEI.
 Immigration  We must Seal the Borders and deport all Illegal Aliens and get FSofA Citizens to work at all the scut jobs at below Minimum Wage they currently fill to reduce Unemployment and reduce the liabilities of Aliens who are soaking up free Medical Care in the Emergency Rooms of our Hospitals.  We can TRY to seal the borders and deport the Illegal Aliens, but they will just be replaced by more home grown Citizens who are falling off the economic cliff and will be just as big a drain on the Medical System.  Besides that, at least on the Border with Mejico,  it will likely create an ever growing Shooting War with a Tsunami of Wetbacks seeking to escape an even worse situation in Mejico.
 Imperialism & Foreign Wars  We must STOP trying to be the World’s Policeman, bring all our Boys & Girls HOME and reduce the outrageous COST of maintaining the Big Ass Military.  As soon as we STOP running all our Imperialist adventures, we will basically be CUT OFF from the Foreign Oil still making its way across the Sea Lanes to our Refineries.  We also will crash just about the only type of “productive” thing we build here anymore, which are the Weapons of War and we will bring back a whole new crew of people to put on the Unemployment line.
 Free Shit Army & 30 Blocks of Squalor  We must end all transfer payments, all Welfare, Social Security and Medicaire which are all unfunded Liabilities we cannot afford.  Former Welfare recipients will be FORCED to go back to work and become Productive Citizens rather than Useless Eaters.  Old Folks will rely on their Savings and their Extended Families to take care of them in their dotage.  The minute we knock down all these social support mechanisms is the minute we turn into Egypt or Libya or all the rest of the 3rd World countries where the people with Nothing Left to Lose go BERSERK.  We don’t HAVE jobs these people could do, even if they were qualified to do any job, which they are not for the most part.  Most Old Folks have no savings, and the Extended Family died back in the 1950s for the most part.  The Medical Industry as a whole would COLLAPSE without Goobermint input, putting the Doctors, Nurses and Medical Records folks on the UE lines also.

China

 China will succeed long term because they are net creditors, have most of the Industrial infrastructure and have more Science and Math geniuses studying at Elite Universities.  China is TOAST because of outrageous Population Overshoot, a depleted Water Supply, insufficient arable land and insufficient local supplies of remaining Fossil Fuel energy.

 

FINAL

SOLUTIONS

 Boomers should be EXTERMINATED  Pigmen should be EXTERMINATED

 

The latest Compact Description of each of the new categories is below, and you can go HERE to take that Survey if you have not done so already.  However, don't navigate away from this page until you take the Survey below, which is much more comprehensive.

Tell Us How you Categorize Yourself

Cornucopian: You believe current problems are temporary and Homo Saps will eventually go Star Trekking
Doomer Lite: You believe we will have a Greater Depression, but eventually rebound from it
Full Doomer: You believe Homo Saps will undergo a massive Population Knockdown but will not go Extinct in this century
Uber Doomer: You believe Homo Saps will be extinct by the end of this century
 
Now, onto the Main Extinction Survey itself!
 
survey-saysAll questions in the Surveyl are Optional to answer, in fact even taking the Poll is Optional!  You're not required to leave any identifying information if you don't want to.
 
It may not appear to you that the form submission worked, because I haven't got the feedback page working yet.  However, trust me it does work! I tested it. I'll publish the Survey results after I get enough reasonably literate responses to it.  If you choose to write a really LONG answer to any question, I highly recommend that you compose it in a Text Editor on your own computer and Save It there before copy/pasting it into the Submit Box and hitting the Submit Button!  Just In Case.
 
There are Text Areas for each question, if you wish to explain your reasoning for your choice.  You are also encouraged to join us in the Diner Forum for discussion of these choices.  You can also use the Blog Commentary below for further discussion and explanation, although that will not go into the Published Survey Results.
 

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20 Responses to The Human Extinction Survey

  • Eddie says:

    Nice survey. Hope it brings some fresh meat to the Diner Forum.

  • Tim E. says:

    Perhaps at a later date I will take your entire questionaire.   But let me posit – at this time – that the redeeming qualities of the few do not overcome the disregard of the majority for sustainable practices on a finite Planet – and thus I vote for…..

    EXTINCTION!

    With extreme prejudice and no recourse. 

  • Edwin Pell says:

    I vote for a take over by those with a will to survive. Ownership and the will to kill to protect one's means of survival (land, water, hunting grounds, fishinng grounds) will see the 100 million through.

    • K-Dog says:

      Cooperation not the will to kill, own and lord over others will be key to survival.  Your comment is a fresh off the boat doomer comment and not that of a seasoned doomer who has thought deeply about these issues.  I'd call you a newbie but I've seen your moniker before.

      • Cassie says:

        The group will kill the predator where there are groups and the wolf will win against the isolated doomstead – they will be found and harvested, and as we figure this out we won't have a lot of patience for wolves of any species, for the brief time we will have left after the nukes start falling. I doubt we will have the population or concentration of numbers to make it, and the initial insults will wipe us out within a couple of years.

        My vision says we are bloody well not going to make it more than 5-10 years, if that long. I keep seeing smoke, and hot, and fire, and migration, until … 

                       And I am always right.  

        So long, its been good to know 'ya, this dusty old dustbowl is gettin' me down and its time to be movin' along….

  • RE says:

    Early Results are IN!

    Here’s the basic breakdown of 76 Respondents. There are 3 Empty Records (people who clicked submit without checking any boxes)

    20 years 12
    50 years 20
    100 years 14
    2525 8
    1000 years 6
    Red Giant 10
    Universe Ends 2
    Never 4

    There are actually 4 people (so far) who believe Homo Saps will NEVER go extinct. This is after the “When the Universe Ends” choice!

    Perhaps they are looking at this in a Spiritual manner rather than a corporeal one?

    Survey sample obviously comes from Doomers not the general population.

    RE

    • Surly says:

      One of the things I found problematic was the gap between 100 and 1000 years. I actually think extinction will play out in 200-250 years. Maybe sooner, if Guy and the NBL crowd are closer to the truth than others. No real option for that.

      Global population of home sapiens will endure successive waves of beatdowns.

      • RE says:

        Too late to make Category Changes now.

        Next time, prior to publication I'll run a Survey by you first for Editing.

        In any event, if you think it is coming in 200-250 years, I would pick the next category above 100.  250 or 1000 years doesn't make much difference to anyone alive now.

        RE

  • GermanDude says:

    I hope everything got transfered properly, because I invested some time in filling the question boxes. 🙂

    I would consider myself being 50:50 between either extinction in about 50-100 years or survival of a few thousand (maybe up to very few million) people followed by a slow recovery with humans then going extinct within the next few million years when the earth gets wrecked by some astronomical event, supervolcano or other very severe climate disruptions.

  • RE says:

    ONE MORE TIME EVERYBODY.

    IF YOU ARE GOING TO COMPOSE LONG DETAILED REPLIES TO THE TEXT AREAS, DO THEM FIRST IN YOUR TEXT EDITOR ON YOUR OWN COMPUTER AND SAVE THEM BEFORE COPY/PASTING INTO THE SUBMISSION BOXES ON THE FORM AND HITTING THE SUBMIT BUTTON.

    ONE RECORD I KNOW OF FOR SURE WAS LOST.

    HOWEVER, SO FAR, 94 RECORDS HAVE BEEN CORRECTLY CAPTURED. THE SYSTEM MOSTLY DOES WORK.

    I am running a couple of different Plugins to make this work, and they are tricky and a little unstable.  So be careful in posting to this database, and keep your own record.  If your contribution does not appear in the final compilation, you can resubmit again and I will update the database.

    RE

  • RE says:

    Survey now past 120 Respondents on the first day.

    I will not download more data for another day or two, to begin the process of organizing it for a followup Blog analyzing the data.

    If you want your submission to be part of the initial compilation, you need to get it in in the next couple of days.  It will take me several days to compile and format the data for a Results Article next week hopefully if I can get it done that fast.

    Thanks to all who have participated in the Survey so far.

    RE

  • Shallel says:

    The truth hurts, but the lies are killing us. – Shallel

    "Because it is so unbelievable, the Truth often escapes being known." -Heraclitus, ~500 B.C.

    "No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine." -J. Edgar Hoover

    Thanks for your work, RE!

  • John of Wallan says:

    I am planning to sell up and head for the hills in 5 years. Any longer and general sheeple will wake up and start rioting over not being able to escape realityany longer and cause colateral damage to me and mine…

    Interest rates are heading lower here in Oz in order to maintain the status quo, so property prices are climbing. Just proves anything the USSA does Oz follows 15 years later… Sell at the peak, go bush and off grid next to a national park. Eat the clergy and politicians first is my suggestion!

    J

    • Cassie says:

      If you start eating people, where do you stop? Mom, dad, husband? If you were SURE they were a ______ (fill in your oppositional group) I guess it would be fine. What could go wrong?

  • John M Ennis says:

    Thanks, I realize that I am late to the game, but it was fun taking the test.

    I look forward the the results.  

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