Terrorism Survey

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Published on the Doomstead Diner on December 8, 2015



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Our latest Collapse Survey TM aims to see what the Collapse Community thinks is the best way to handle the problem of increasing Terrorism as we move further down the Collapse Highway.  Before you take the survey however, it might be worthwhile to review some of the Options currently on the table, either already being implemented or being proposed by various Pols from Obama-sama to Tony Blair to Geert Wilders to Marine LePen to The Donald.

As Terrorism becomes ever more prevalent around the Globe, the population at large begs for their leaders to DO SOMETHING about this nasty problem!  Over in Europe, the Pols in Charge are doing something, they are putting up electrified fences at the border crossings, dispatching NATO troops to Greece, and dropping bombs on Syria.  So far of course, these actions haven't done a damn thing to staunch the flow of blood on the streets of Paris though, if anything it is only serving to increase the frequency of shootings and bombings.

Over in Brussels they put the city under Martial Law for several days officially while they went searching for the "Usual Suspects", and I'll bet the streets are still crawling with Special Forces in Camo Outfits and RoboCops in Black & Blue Pajamas.




Notice these guys all have their faces covered?

Over here in the FSoA, we have the Texas Pols threatening to sue the Federal Goverment if they send any Syrian Refugees to TX and The Donald threatening to deport all Muslims once he gets elected POTUS, but neither of these ideas seems to be doing a lot to slow the tide of Campus Shoot-em-Ups and freshly radicalized and disaffected locals with their own personal armories from blowing away random citizens in San Bernadino.




Of course once again the call goes out for more Gun Control, but this is not real popular amongst the legal owners of guns first of all, and then there would be the logistical problem of trying to confiscate all the guns already out there.  This is one of those horse left the barn/genie out of the bottle problems, aside from the fact that the Right to Bear Arms is one of the few Constitutional protections that hasn't been completely undermined yet.

Another faction thinks the solution would be for EVERYBODY to be Packing Heat.  Sort of like the good old days of the Old West when every cowpoke Had a Six Gun on his hip.  Well, except for Lucas McCain, who carried his modified Winchester Lever Action Rifle with him and could hit a beer can at 1000 yards without even aiming.  LOL.

Better than a Kalishnikov!

Then of course you also have a crew of people out there with the FINAL SOLUTION to Terrorism, Glaze over all of MENA with "Surgical" strikes with "Tactical" Nukes, thus wiping out the breeding ground of Terrorists!


To be fair, there are Peaceful Solutions being proposed and even undertaken, like sending $Billions$ in Aid to build spanking new Refugee Camps in Turkey along with Truckloads of MREs so the Terrorists won't keep trying to migrate to Europe, they'll be happy to live in a Refugee Camp where the average length of stay is now up to 17 years!


Homemade Self Organized Refugee Camp


Upscale Goobermint Organized Refugee Camp.  This one in Kenya supposedly houses around 300,000 Human Souls!

Seventeen years: the average length of stay in a refugee camp. The figure came up in a conversation last week with a French journalist who’s making a documentary about camps, but I’d heard it many times before—perhaps you have, too. Here are a selection of international sources quoting this figure, which I turned up with a bit of cursory googling in English and an even briefer bit in French:

  • A 2013 article on TakePart.com (“a digital news & lifestyle magazine and social action platform for the conscious consumer”), quoting Liesl Spitz of FilmAid.
  • From 2012, the Khalid Hosseini Foundation supporting a UNHCR campaign.
  • A 2008 Australian Broadcasting Corporation (Hobart) news article about an Oxfam educational resource.
  • From the same year, an edited volume in one of the best academic series on refugee studies, Berghahn’s Studies in Forced Migration: Hajdukowski-Ahmed et al., Not born a refugee woman (see p16).
  • The info page for the Ideas Box, a Libraries Without Borders initiative (and toolkit) for providing education in refugee camps.
  • A Radio France news article about the above, including an interview with the designer, Philippe Starck (yup, that Philippe Starck).

Granted, there is some dispute over the 17 year figure, but I think most of the statisticians would agree it is over 5 years for sure, and IMHO anything more than maybe 2 years and all these camps become is a breeding ground for still more Terrorists.  But of course, as long as we can keep them all on the Turkish side of the border, we should be OK, right?

So there is no shortage of suggestions on how to solve or at least reduce the Terrorism problem, but the question is will any of them work at all?  Will one at least work better than the other ones?  Are there other solutions to this growing problem that could be undertaken?  If so, what are they?  These questions and more appear on the Terrorism Survey TM, and this is your opportunity to be heard (if only by a tiny number of Kollapsniks) on this very important topic.  Your Vote is IMPORTANT here!  VOTE TODAY!


5 Responses to Terrorism Survey

  • Alan says:

    The solution is to realize we have 6 billion too many people and that nature will take care of the problem as she usually does – killing off 87% of the hairless monkeys, plus or minus 13%. Do you want to be comfortable? Do you want to be secure? Join the 87%, because the days of comfort are over. Migrate to your favorite place of relative safety, settle in and hope you were right. You aren't, but that hope stuff is better than heroin.

    Bottom line, we the people won't fix this, because it is intrinsic to our nature.


  • Cassie says:

    There is no solution. At all. Wrap everyone in cotton and you still can't trust the swaddlers. They cut a few corners, and pooh bear, sector three is dead. Oh, well.

    Terrorism Survey: No solution available. I think that clear enough. There are no clever twists of language, no miracles of governance, no Target ™(store) in Riyahd that will fix this.

    It will get worse. We will kill more people, and that will piss off their family/clan/village/region. They will respond, and we will respond, producing what anyone rational would see as not good. And there will always be those who are quite rationally but insanely over the edge, as they become truly isolated and dissociated. They will continue to behave poorly. Seizing all the weapons in the US? Can you say Civil War?

    Is this not the Doomstead Diner?

    The new (old) fear allows the media to totally relax. Their scripts are easily prepared. A new fear index is being rolled out even as we quake and quiver. No facts necessary. And "terrorism" will continue.

    Remember the other name for terrorist: Freedom Fighter.

    • RE says:

      "Remember the other name for terrorist: Freedom Fighter"-CS

      A Rose by any other name…

      There's no "solution', but the question here is what is the best approach to try and keep the mayhem to a minimum?


  • Many of those questions in that survey are hard to answer, due to the possible answers presented being too pigeon holed.

    The only things which actually exist are the dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies operating robberies. The only solutions are changes in those dynamic equilibria and/or those systems of organized lies operating robberies.

    What makes it seem politically impossible to negotiate any such better systems are that all of the established systems are operated by the best available professional hypocrites, whose language is full of false fundamental dichotomies asserting that only others are "terrorists."

    Better solutions to the Terrorism problems are the same as the any possible solutions to all of the other political problems, namely series of intellectual scientific revolutions, in order to go through profound paradigm shifts in the ways that we perceive those problems. Primarily, that means starting to use more unitary mechanisms, rather than continuing to rely upon the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals.

    The international bankers effectively control all NATO countries, and they operate as the supreme financial terrorists. Their agenda has been what has started and exacerbated their "War on Terror." Behind that were the ways that all private property was based on backing up claims with coercions, whose most abstract form became that money is measurement backed by murder.

    Most of the "War on Terror" was originally developed by the international banksters controlling countries that captured control over the natural resources in previously Islamic countries. The main means to do that were using false flag terrorist attacks to get things going. The blowback from those events was deliberately designed and intended.

    However, the overall systems which now exist, namely globalized electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs, have become such excessively successful control of civilization through the methods of organized crime that civilization as a whole as thereby become runaway criminal insanities.

    Theoretically speaking, the only genuine solutions to the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of human life being amplified to astronomical sizes by prodigious progress in physical science would be profound paradigm shifts in the ways that we perceived those political problems, which paradigm shifts integrated and surpassed those which were already achieved in physical science.

    Given that there exist globalized systems of electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs, within which the banksters are the biggest terrorists, controlling the largest forms of terrorism, the NATO countries, any solutions to those Terrorism problems would have to be in the right ball park, namely, go through series of intellectual scientific revolutions and profound paradigm shifts in the ways that those problems were perceived.

    The most spectacular symbol, so far, of "Terrorism" were the events on 9/11/2001. One is necessarily barking up the wrong tree unless on recognizes that 9/11 was an inside job, false flag attack, deliberately designed to get the "War on Terror" going as a self-fulfilling prophesy, whose increasing blowback effects were some of the intended consequences.

    Basically what is happening is that the Western World's State Religions, which are its monetary systems and national security systems, are in conflict with the Islamic State Religions. BOTH are forms of organized crime and terrorism. The so-called Clash of Civilizations is conflict between the biggest and best organized crime gangs, against the second biggest and best organized crime gangs, BOTH of which are using terrorism to advance their own agendas.

    The necessary theoretical basis for any better solutions for the problems of terrorism in that context would be to understand it better. However, at the present time, every different kind of organized crime gang, from NATO to MENA, are currently dominated by their own best available professional hypocrites. THEIR WAYS OF THINKING ARE THE PROBLEMS.

    State Sponsored War is ALWAYS Terrorism.

    As soon as one perceives and defines human beings as separated from their environment and each other, then they necessarily live as gangs of robbers. There are chronic political problems inherent in the nature of human life. There are intense paradoxes which have developed due to natural selection becoming internalized as human intelligence, which was then applied to the most important selection pressures, which were other groups of people. Hence, the history of civilization was the history of warfare, which was organized crime on larger and larger scales. The basics are that governments are NECESSARILY the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized criminals. They were able to promote their bullshit social stories, based on the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals. However, there are no fundamental dichotomies between people. Rather, the biggest and best organized "terrorists" are bankster controlled governments. They have been behind series of inside job, false flag terrorist attacks, in order to get their "War on Terror" going as their self-fulfilling prophesy.

    The fundamental drivers for Terrorism are the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of human life, which results in human beings necessarily living as gangs of robbers. That is compounded by the biggest and best organized gangs of robbers being able to promote their bullshit use of language to project the blame for "terrorism" onto lower levels of organized crime gangs.

    Given all of the above, I tend to be be forced to agree with some of the previous comments already posted above, regarding the degree of PESSIMISM regarding there being no reasonable hopes for the foreseeable future of the finite systems that currently exist. Overall, the problems are nothing less than the development of globalized electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs. Monkeys and apes with electronics and atomic energy that are trillions of times more capable and powerful than anything the previously existed in human history are being channeled through social pyramid systems based on being able to back up lies with violence, wherein the pyramidion people developed to be the biggest and best organized terrorists, in order for those ruling classes to rule over other larger groups, by keeping them ignorant and afraid.

    The current manifestations of the "War on Terror" are merely the latest episodes in the long history of the development of an overall war on consciousness waged by the ruling classes against those they ruled over. We are faced with intensifying paradoxes that natural selection pressures drove the development of artificial selection systems which became most socially successful by being as deceitful and fraudulent as humanly possible.

    The "War on Terror" is an extremely hyper-complicated entanglement of virtually infinite tunnels of deceits and frauds. The most hyper-complicated of those entanglements are the ways that artificial selection systems operated INSIDE natural selection systems. I presume that the solutions to the Terrorism Problem will necessarily require those to work their way through … However, I would continue to insist that one should NOT regard there being any fundamental dichotomies between natural selection and artificial selection systems. On the contrary, as was already pointed out repeatedly on the Doomstead Diner (e.g., A Human Tsunami of Overshoot which will potentially involve hundreds of millions of people, who all will be suffering from similar sorts of the basic Syrian Sickness,) Terrorism problems are merely some tips of the iceberg regarding the fundamental causes.

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