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Published on The Doomstead Diner on February 5, 2017


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In my New Year's recap article I covered the recent accomplishments on the Diner in terms of growing the readership base, as well as other notable activities like the SUN Convocation held down in Inman, SC in conjunction with their Harvest Day Festival.

This month marks an even more notable date, it is the 5th Anniversary of the Doomstead Diner Blog & Forum.  Keeping a blog going this long on the topics of collapse and trying to stay fresh with new material every day to read is something of a chore, although for me it has the benefit of keeping me bizzy and keeping my mind active.

Many of the other Bloggers I used to cross post are either not active at all anymore, or they post very rarely.  For instance, the last blog from Tom Lewis of the Daily Impact was in October of 2016.  The last blog Steve Ludlum published on Economic Undertow was a month ago in December 2016 (update: Steve just posted a blog!) and same for Jason Heppenstall of 22 Billion Energy Slaves.  Ugo Bardi of Cassandra's Legacy still publishes regularly at least once a week and so does Albert Bates of Peak Surfer.

I also dropped some folks from the list of those I will cross post, either because of disagreements  with them or simply because their posting has become so repetitive.  The disagreements for the most part come over the question of Near Term Human Extinction, and the degree to which some bloggers have now joined with Guy McPherson of Nature Bats Last on the Hopelessness & Despair Bandwagon.  There also are some bloggers as well as people in the commentariat who have become so obsessed with the Climate aspect of collapse it's all they will talk about to the exclusion of all other areas of collapse we have to deal with, most notably Economics, Energy and Geopolitics.

While the climate issue is no doubt quite bad and getting worse, in reality even with very rapid change accelerating up, it's not the proximal problem we have to face.  Our economic system is so unstable at this point it could literally collapse any day, and the length of time it takes for it to go completely down the toilet could be measured in days or even hours.  While climate may certainly be a more serious problem in 5 or 10 years, it's not that way right now.

Similarly, Geopolitical tensions are at an all time high as Nationalist (Fascist) politicians like Donald Trump, Marine Le Pen, Geert Wilders and Frauke Petry gain further power, and tensions between NATO and Russia and the FSoA and China become more extreme by the day.  A Global Thermonuclear War is not out of the question as starting up any day either, particularly since there are some neo-con jackasses in the FSoA Goobermint who think such a thing is winnable.  If they start pitching out the Nukes, Sea Level Rise is going to be among the last of your worries.

Looked at as a Health problem, it's like having 3 diseases all at the same time, you have a slowly developing cancer tumor, you have pneumonia and you have a faulty valve in your heart.  The cancer will take a while to kill you, but the pneumonia will get you first if you don't get rid of it, and until you get rid of that you can't go in for the heart valve operation you need to keep your ticker working.  Only once the two proximal problems are resolved is the cancer really an issue.

So here on the Diner in my own blogging, I still mainly focus on the Economic issues which are what brought me into blogging collapse in the first place.  Surly mainly focuses on Geopolitical issues, as you can see in his Yearly recap article this year.  We also have other Native Diner Bloggers such as Eddie, Monsta, Palloy, Geoff Chia and K-dog who have their own issues they focus on, from the Stock Market and Investment to Standing Rock, Cyber Security and Tiny Homes.  In fact the one area we do not cover that regularly on the Blog is the Climate issue, because that issue is being beaten to death on so many other blogs.  That is not to say that Climate is not a regular topic for discussion Inside the Diner on the Forum, it most certainly is.

Another issue with respect to Climate Change is really at this point there is not much the individual can do to prevent it.  In fact it is unlikely even entire Goobermints could prevent it at this point, even if they all worked together in concert, and that's not going to happen.  What the individual CAN DO though is to prepare for Climate Change, in general by moving away from neighborhoods most subject to the worst problems like Drought and regular Flooding events in coastal areas coming from the combination of sea level rise and more active and volatile weather systems.  You can also work on becoming more food self sufficient, using techniques like Hydroponics and Aquaculture which are water and fertilizer conservative and more resistant to climate change than typical outdoor agriculture.

If you are a Religious Believer in Near Term Human Extinction, the tendency is toward inaction, because, why bother?  In your mind, EVERYBODY is gonna DIE anyhow, and doing all these things at best only gets you a couple of extra years, and do you want to live when everyone around you is dieing?

First of all, without a Crystal Ball you can't really make an absolute prediction on how long it will take before the climate is so bad everywhere that ZERO Homo Saps can survive on the Planet.  In the super rapid worst case scenarios of positive feedback loops that Guy McPherson pitches out, he's got everybody dead by 2025 now, which is HIGHLY unlikely.  More reasonable fast extinction scenarios are in the 50-100 year range, and if it takes that long and you want to see a few extra sunrises, it's a wise idea to begin planning for this now.

It's also not guaranteed that NOBODY can survive ANYWHERE, even with a Global Average Temperature rise of 10C, which is about as hot as it ever gets on Earth no matter how much CO2 is up in the atmosphere.  In all the prior 5 Extinction Level Events not ALL forms of life were killed off, if they were we would not be here today and I would not be keyboarding out this blog post. lol.  Who is to say that some Homo Sap cannot survive a higher AGT regime, particularly if they move to higher latitudes and altitudes?  Granted, it may not be many, but it's still not extinction until every last member of the species is DEAD.

On other 5 Year Anniversary topics, the Diner has seen many changes and ups and downs over the years, with the first Peak Readership coming in 2014, but now beginning to grow again.  The membership of regular Diners also fluctuates quite a bit, with various Diners taking periodic "Walkabouts" when they get too fed up with other Diners or discussing Collapse on a daily basis gets too depressing for them.  I don't have the luxury of going Walkabout, since besides blogging I do most of the daily management tasks on the Diner and I also pay the Diner bills.  So when I lose patience with other Diners I basically just gotta deal with it, as long as I want to keep this chronicle of the Collapse of Industrial Civilization going anyhow.

Which leads to the question of DO I want to do that?  There have been a couple of times in the last year I really became completely fed up with nonsense being pitched out across the forum pages and the behavior of some Diners.  I ended up Banning a Diner permanently, something I never hoped I would have to do.  I had other Diners I value as friends both in cyberspace and IRL getting pissed off at ME for stuff I said and opinions I hold.  There's a lot of fatigue involved here, and besides that just about everything has been discussed, analyzed and talked to death over a 5 year timespan.  I have 100s of blogs up and detailed my economic theories at great length.  I can usually still find things to write about though, I started a Collapse Novel How I Survived the Collapse as one means to have more to write each week.  Fiction is inexhaustible, as long as you have a decent imagination anyhow.

A couple of months ago after one disagreement I determined that I would close down the Diner Forum on the 5th Anniversary, and just run the Blog to publish the HISC Novel, and maybe any non-fiction of late breaking Collapse Newz that was big enough to merit attention.  These days, there's only around 10-15 regular Diners posting up on the forum and it's never been that huge, even at the peak of Diner Readership in 2014.  Forums appear to have been supplanted by Social Media like Facepalm and Twitshit as the Go-To places for people to chat with friends and not so friends interested in similar topics to themselves.  I don't like either one of those platforms, so I wouldn't switch over to them in any case.

So if I did shut down the forum, I really would not have any place to go chat about collapse and write my own little diary of stuff that happens to me but really isn't worthy of a full blog.  Like my recent problems with my car batteries and with the heat going out in my digs (although that might actually be worthy of a full blog).  For the Diners who still do participate on the forum also, it becomes kind of habitual to see what's up, and we trade Newz Links all the time on the newz channels, although not nearly as much anymore as we used to when we had some prolific Newz Linkers like Knarf, the Buddhist Monk participating.  Still, the newz articles that are dropped on are usually very well selected and not ones I may have run across during my own web surfing time.  So I get additional information and perspectives on collapse this way.

For Newz Links now I also run the r/globalcollapse Sub-Reddit, and I participate regularly on the larger collapse sub, r/collapse.  However, as discussion platforms go, Reddit isn't much better than Facepalm, and it's definitely no substitute for the kind of intelligent and in depth discussion we still occassionally engage in Inside the Diner on the Forum.

So after considering all of this, I changed my mind and I will keep the Diner Forum running along with the Blog.  For the Diners who still do drop in regularly, it's still a great place to catch up on the latest Collapse Events and to do some bickering. lol.

5 Years is a pretty good run for a blog, especially one where you try to have something new up each day and write yourself at least once a week.  In the old days, TV Series used to have an average lifespan of around 3-5 years, although you got a few like Gunsmoke and MASH that ran for 20 years.  On the Daily level, it's more like a Soap Opera, which had to be a real grind for both the writers and the actors.  Days of Our Lives has run continuously nearly every day since 1965!  That's over a half a century!

The Diner of course is unlikely to last 45 more years.  I definitely won't last 45 more years anyhow, and the Internet itself unlikely to last 45 more years.  In the meantime though, Collapse Days of Our Lives is renewed for another season at the URL

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Thanks again to all the Diners who have helped make the Diner what it is…

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23 Responses to Collapse Days of Our Lives

  • Thanks RE. I am one of those readers (on the rare occasion-contributor) that's just about read, thought about, listened to, and experienced enough doom related topics to last many lifetimes. I don't think any of us had the slightest notion that TPTB would go to the lengths that they have and be able to get away with it for as long as they have,thereby prolonging this horrible slide into the unknown. I'm also amazed and disheartened by the ignorance and irresponsibilty of the public at large. It's all going to look very good on ALL of us when the rubber hits road.

    In the meantime, and I will speak for myself, it's tremendous comfort to know that your still out there fighting the good fight. That includes of course the regular contributors as well. The content on the DD is first class, whether or not you agree with the content or perspective. That's not the point of quality journalism or debate. There are many sites to visit in that great beyond of the internet, but I always choose to make the DD a regular stop. I'm glad the DD keeps you busy and meaninfully engaged RE, but for some of us it's just a warm, comfortable place to hang out with like minded decent folk.

    Keep up the great work and here's to another 45 years! (LOL)  

    • RE says:

      Thanks BS. 🙂

      It really is amazing how this bizness has been dragged out for so long.  The Diner making it to it’s 5th Birthday is longer than I thought it would last when we started it.  But then, timelines are always the toughest part of the Nostradamus bizness.

      Anyhow, don’t be a stranger, join us more often inside the Diner.  Always good to have more friendly folks in chatting up collapse.


  • Nancy landis says:

    I have not been a contributor, but am surely a solid appreciator of your diner's efforts. In a time when everything is upside down and ass backwards, your diner lends an awful lot of valuable sanity-preserving perspective, and all in devil take us humor, to boot. I appreciate your even keel and steady hand as we navigate a very turbulent ocean of events. Chin up! Hold fast!

  • debu says:


    Echoing Bill and Nancy's appreciation for this site and what you are doing. It hardly seems credible, but being Limits to Growth-aware puts one in a lonely place outside of oases like The Diner.

    I may have to have a poke around in the forums again. Registered once but have limited myself to the fine material you put up on the front page.

    All the best,


  • Mike H says:

    RE well I am appreciative and respect the work and the views. Passively enjoying the various posts and comments I may be guilty of but always appreciative. Yes we may not agree on everything but then again that is utopian. Please don't underestimate how valuable the Diner is, as a meeting point, views and information go to point and comrarderie, even it is tangentially electronic. 

    A beginning or end of year appraisal of where your at and what your doing is a healthy thing. Your summary of things is spot on and I concur. The issue I have with a lot of doomers is that they watch too much television and have come to think that it all happens like a movie, over in 30 seconds or a year or too. As you know the planet does not work like that, nor do human beings who are very very good at delaying, denying and working against the inevitable whether it is; biological (health and fitness), economic (your broke or about to go broke) or relationships (its not working or never did). People well most people don't just roll over and give up once it looks bad or is getting bad, they keep on going, until either they change and come up with an alternative or they are busted. 

    I think the whole thing with the forecasting business is predicting behaviour and change is continually blindsided by human behaviour and the unknown or unexpected, we are really good at choosing information that fits our biases not contradicts them it takes a brave individual to confront those contradictions and a very determined individual to work through them. 

    What can I say but thanks for a seat at the Diner, occasionally, life of the grid is a bastard some days. LOL. Cheers.

  • Paul Proteus says:

    First time comenter RE. I've been a doomer for 6 years now and reading this blog for at least 4 years and I still manage to find a few tasty morsels to chew on that I hadn't considered yet. I definitely have had my moments of "Doomer Burnout." I'll even admit to having doubts and being enticed by the visions of the techno-cornucopians who say technology will save us. But, in the end I always come back to the idea that we are living in the age of limits. You might be pleased to know that I literally almost cried when, due to a glitch or something, your "dead-man switch" message posted on the Diner a year or so ago. Anyway, congrats on the anniversary and keep it up!

    • RE says:

      You’re the first reader in a while who told me they caught the Self-Obituary.  It was only up a few hours.  What a fiasco!  It was actually around 2 years ago when we had the big Diner crash in June of 2015.

      Anyhow, thanks for following the Diner! 🙂


  • Farmer McGregor says:

    Dang, RE, you've provoked me to climb out of the woodwork to offer a hearty attaboy.  So here it is: Keep up the good work, dammit!

    Like Paul P. (previous commenter) this is my first time commenting after many years of occasional lurking. I've enjoyed most of what I find here, though I rarely feel like I have anything to offer in the time I have available, so I've never signed in or commented before.  But this time I just had to respond to let you know you're appreciated more than you know. <i>Especially</i> (jeez I hope those goofy HTML code thingies work here or that last word's gonna look stupid…  We'll know when I submit) — as I was sayin', especially since you started your little collapse novel.  I gotta tell ya I'm not alone in enjoying it. I have friends, fellow diner lurkers, with whom this is now a favorite topic of conversation.  "Have you seen the latest installment yet?  Whaddaya think about the (insert story point here) that he brought into it?"  Good conversation starters to discuss or perhaps even (gods forbid!) criticize some aspect of the story. Heck, we loved Kunstler's World Made By Hand series (bought the books, pass them around to read and re-read) but holy sh#t! have we ever torn them to shreds (metaphorically only) where we don't like his thinking, as well as armchair psycho-analyzed the poor guy in the process. But man we loved them.  And now we have you!

    As JHK, JMG, and others have demonstrated, narrative fiction is a great way to illuminate difficult topics like collapse.  And it's fun.  Nowadays when I open the diner, the first thing I do is scan for the next chapter.  So you gotta keep it up or there'll be some major disappointage out here.

    Hang in there, dude!


    p.s. As a multi-decade doom-prepper (I sorta prefer 'prepper' to 'doomer') I have a few thoughts that might make for some good posts here on the diner.  Where to start?

    • RE says:

      Where to start?  At the Beginning of course.  lol.  Join the Diner Forum.  That’s really where all the fun is. 🙂

      Thanks for the feedback on the HISC Novel.  You or any of your friends have ideas for stuff they would like to see  in terms of plot lines or characters, let me know in the commentary.

      Right now it looks like a Trilogy, so it has a long way to go.  Should take me until I buy my Ticket to the Great Beyond or the Internet Goes Dark before it’s done.

      Next chapter, Wed or Thu.


      • Farmer McGregor says:

        Okay, almost gave up on trying to register — kept saying I haven't answered the verification questions correctly and the box around "What year is it" turned red (apparently 2017 is incorrect). So try '2016' and Bingo!  Now awaiting Admin approval.

        Might consider fixing that.  Just sayin'…


  • Anti Troll says:

    There is no place finer than the Doomstead Diner,

    Where doomy morsels are served on the finest china.

    In a world gone mad, a haven for the sane,

    The best place to go if you have half a brain,

    All are welcome, unless you're an NBL whiner

    (Or shit stained global warming denier)

  • tj says:


    RE, knowing that you have a connection with Brazil, maybe you'll be interested in how it seems to be going down here. TV is swamped with church services, all trying to get the belief they profit from. The current craze is thousands of testimonies that have every aspect of appearing honest and true experiences promising that a drop of their special water taken three times a day will cure most anything. Not only will you not need to listen to the medical establishment, but in so doing you'll have two, three imported cars (seems imported cars are what everyone wants) your own business(es) a loving relationship with your family. Just three drops a day. The most Christian of the Christians accuse these churches of being in cahoots with the elite and freeemasonry is openly discussed, but the Assembly of God is miniscule in comaparison to these monster venues. Nor do they have the marketing budget, so Jesus' message gets drowned.


    The diet has gone from bad to worse. During 15 years the obesity is astounding. There is actually a stigma agains fresh produce. The kid with fruit or veggies in his lunchbox is ostracized. Sugar sugar and more sugar. Supermarket ships cruise the Amazon even, with big Nestle images of ice cream and snacks, servicing the lines of families waiting at the dock. You see the granparents a bit thin and worn, the parents plump but managing, but the kids are little walruses. Not all of course, but an astounding number.


    Of course the economic crises grinds on. But there's a lot of money here. I offered a dance instructor to sponsor a young dance student if he knew of one who couldn't afford the class. This is a class in a favela, Rocinha, next to Leblon. The metro goes there now, it takes 40 minutes from the center of the city. There was a problem though, the instructor said that in all honesty he knew of no one who couldn't afford his classes. So maybe it's best to go against my charitable instincts and admit I don't really know the situation. I go to Rocinha three times a week, to work out and take the dance lesson. They are SO nice. Everyone agrees it was better before the police arrived to maintain order. Now there are gunfights in the street every so often. Last night on the news a town north of here had 250 stores robbed and 70 people killed. Seems the police were on strike demanding past wages. It's crazy, how the violence is hand and hand with guys whose main aim in life is to provide their mother with a decent retirement. It's a tradition in the north east. Fathers dissappear and grandparents and mothers take over and the sons take the role of family provider. It shouldn't be hard to understand that with no jobs and no prospect of jobs other than the drug trade what's going to appeal to a young guy. Plus the girls as everywhere it sometimes seems, like the macho guys the system produces.


    If you remember the film Central do Brasil, it is premised on organ harvesting of young kids. And this links up with PizzaGate and Haiti, etc. Now on youtube the videos of Whatever Happened to Eric Braverman I have learned how much a dead body is worth. Thousands of dollars in harvested organs. And as Catherine Austin Fits adds at the end of an interview with Jeff Rense, could Trumps emphasis on the killing going on in Chicago have to do with an organ harvesting operation and that if it's not stopped it will spread to all major cities. The suspicion is that the elites plan on outliving us and medical technology is accomodating this. They need the organs to experiment with and install. A healthy young black guy what with the strong genetics would be perfect, no? For a long time it's been shoot-to-kill. They never knock his legs off or patiently wait him out. Now I think I know why. Whisk the victims to the hospital/funeral palor, remove the organs and sew him up. Who's to know? It's too perfect a scam not to be going on.


    On a lighter side the water has been mostly clear and clean this summer. The beaches are crowded. Somehow people think they will get thru this. That it's in God's hands. I am not so optomistic and wonder how much more time before I move here permanently or decide to stick it out in the USA, fully expecting a type of civil war to erupt. If the powers that be get the control they want and enslave/eliminate most of us, I'm not sure it matters where one is.


    ps. new years eve was exciting on the beach at Copacabana. Roving gangs of 50, maybe a hundred black youths until the mark is chosen, maybe a cellphone or camera, they then explode running thru the crowd and there's no way the police can catch them then and there. What the police do is stop all the buses and exits and go thru the backpacks. The youngest kids, too young to prosecute are the ones with the goods. They may be poor but they're not stupid:-) My Brazilian friends were a bit indignant. But it was like crocodiles waiting in the river as the herd tries to pass. Next time you buy a cellphone, consider getting two:-) As you know RE, thievery takes prepping to a whole new level. One last word of advice, when you are out and about take a small amount of cash. Don't want our muggers (here i  might add, the  police) getting frustrated do we.

    • RE says:

      Based on what is currenty ongoing in Espirito Santo, it appears to me Brazil is well on the road to fast collapse.  I certainly would not move back there permanently, hell I wouldn’t even go there for a vacation.  If I were you I would GTFO of Dodge before the whole country turns into a real life facsimile of Children of Men.

      For as long as you remain there though, please check in regularly here on the Diner to do Boots on the Ground reporting as the Chief Correspondent for the Diner Brazillian Bureau. 🙂


  • karen says:

    Glad to hear you will be continuing the blog.  I normally do not contribute because you all say it so well I don't have anything to add.  It is reassuring to me to know you are here when I need to hear the voice of like minded people.  You help people like me every day without knowing the good you do.  Thank you!

  • Surly says:

    Reading this thread it really is nce to hear from lurkers and others we don't usually hear from.

    Diner renewed for another season!

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