Living Off the Land is Illegal (NOT)

youtube-Logo-4gc2reddit-logoOff the keyboard of Palloy

Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666
Friend us on Facebook

Published on The Doomstead Diner on March 7, 2017

Discuss this article at the Doomsteading Table inside the Diner

 

Oh, woe is life – The System says you can't even go off-grid, it's illegal !

The thing is, living off the land is only illegal in SOME jurisdictions. The authorities don't make up these rules because they want to keep you enslaved, although that may be the outcome. They do it because the cheapest way to provide amenities is to do it for everyone in a service area and share out the costs as much as possible. If you could then say "I don't want it and won't pay my share for it", that would make it more expensive for everyone else, your neighbours – a charming philosophy.

Of course the problem of finding an unserviced area when you live in the USA is hard, but it isn't hard in Third World countries, where people want be ON services but can't afford it. Just move to a Third World country, like I have – problem solved ! The first place I lived here didn't have ANY services. I never managed to convince anybody that THAT was a good idea, I don't know why, unless they were thinking of their comfort in old age. Are you expecting to have comfort in your old age? – ha ha ha ha, no chance. You're either going to be fit and strong and working hard dawn till dusk, or you are going to be dead.

The place where I am now has electricity, water and telephone – a really posh area, rent ~US$130 /week for a modern house (100 m2) on 8 acres of rainforest. The rent pays for reticulated water, but I don't use it, I collect rainwater off a tiny part of the roof (it rains a LOT here). When you collect your own rainwater, they still want you to pay your share of the cost of providing reticulated water.

5,000 Litre tank, 200 L barrel, 1,000 L open trough

The telephone doesn't actually work in the wet season, because the local watertable is so high it shorts out the copper wire junctions, so I've had it disconnected, and use an internet satellite dish instead (12 Mbps), which doesn't work when it's raining hard:

No reticulated sewerage, septic tank instead. (Note the tree branch which snapped off yesterday, that would have killed anyone standing under it):

No broadcast TV, radio or cell phone reception, only satellite dish again – a different one:

When you add in maintenance of the roads, rubbish collection, police services (which implies courts and prisons), ambulance services, nearby hospital services – all that stuff is nice if you can get it, especially when you are getting older, but it all costs money so you have to pay your rent, that's only fair.

When it comes to selling your excess garden produce to the public, First Worlders have got "the right" to expect that the food isn't going to poison them. So then there's got to be some kind of regulation: licensing and inspections and fees and taxes. In the Third World you have no such right, so things are much simpler.

After The Collapse, the USA will have much further to fall than here. But I still can't persuade any Amerikans to leave and get themselves organised in advance. Instead they fantasise about communities which are only going to cost a million dollars to set up, which of course is why they can't start now. They need (apparently) to buy the land first, even though all that property ownership system is certain to collapse. They need concrete and steel and timber and power tools – imagine nailing without a nail gun, so much hard work!

Over the weekend I saw an archeology doco on TV about life in the Scottish islands 4,000 years ago, where they had answers for all these things – stone houses, stone fences, stone tools. How do you shape a stone into an axe? – chip it lightly with another stone a thousand times, then grind it with sand, water and your hand. How do you make a hole in it for a handle? – get a dowel and some grit, and rotate back and forth a million times between the palms. What do you mean, you haven't got time for all that? – too busy watching TV and reading stuff on the internet?

Round here there are thousands of discarded stone tools. They mostly seem to be good for processing Pandanus fruits – scraping off the edible flesh from the bristles, and prising open the woody part to get at the nuts inside, which are tiny but nutritious.

The Stone Age is coming again soon, but no one wants to know, not even Diners:

"It's easy for you, you're single – my wife wouldn't let me."

"Amerika is the greatest country on Earth, and I'll shoot anyone who says otherwise !"

"I want to, but I can't afford it yet. Gotta work a bit longer first."

"I'll be dead soon anyway, so it doesn't matter, even if they torture me for being a dissident."

5 Responses to Living Off the Land is Illegal (NOT)

  • Bob Malooga says:

    Why do you spell America with a k? Does this have some meaning that I'm unfamiliar with, or are you just trying to be edgy?

    Anyhow, your advice seems to be "Stupid Amerikans, just move to a third-world hellhole if you're worried about your quality of life!" Not exactly practical advice, don't ya think?

  • RE says:

    Why do you spell America with a k? Does this have some meaning that I'm unfamiliar with, or are you just trying to be edgy

    "Amerika" is a Gonzo spelling convention Diners use to demonstrate disgust with the general behavior of Da Goobermint of the FSoA (Fascist States of Amerika).

    RE

  • Palloy says:

    Amerikans with a "k" believe Amerika is exceptionally good.

    I certainly didn't say hellhole – paradise would be my word for it. 

    This is the Doomstead Diner, and all articles are set in the context of an imminent collapse of civilisation, so no one is worried about improving their quality of life.  I'm suggesting taking a cut in lifestyle now, and learning about how the local people survived as hunter-gatherers as recently as a hundred years ago.   Shocking, isn't it?

  • JJGrey says:

    The problem with moving anywhere is the existance and response of the natives. 

    Once the crumble hits, the locals will look at the outsiders that are so different from them (or at least that arent born around there) and ask themselves "why should we let this guy use our resources? It used to be he had something of value (dollars), now he gives nothing of value, and is strange and arrogant."

    Of course that will also apply in any place that one moves to, even to a lesser extent locals. It is just a bigger factor the further afield you go to find a new place. 

    So community ties are probably the #1 prep you can make. 

  • Palloy says:

    You could be right, but outside of the First World people are much less suspicious and mercenary, and much more welcoming and into community/extended family.  If I was more into community myself, it would probably be to my advantage, but I always was a bit of a loner, even more so in old age.

    What do I have that they might want, apart from dollars?  Internet/mathematical/programming skills, books on local plants and their uses, practical plant identification skills – probably nothing that they need, or don't know already.

     

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

Support the Diner
Search the Diner
Surveys & Podcasts

NEW SURVEY

Renewable Energy

VISIT AND FOLLOW US ON DINER SOUNDCLOUD

" As a daily reader of all of the doomsday blogs, e.g. the Diner, Nature Bats Last, Zerohedge, Scribbler, etc… I must say that I most look forward to your “off the microphone” rants. Your analysis, insights, and conclusions are always logical, well supported, and clearly articulated – a trifecta not frequently achieved."- Joe D
Archives
Global Diners

View Full Diner Stats

Global Population Stats

Enter a Country Name for full Population & Demographic Statistics

Lake Mead Watch

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-BX686_LakeMe_G_20130816175615.jpg

loading

Inside the Diner

Palloy, You're usually spot on with your physics, but I think you're a little off here. What the rocks offer is high thermal mass, something RE and I spent some time learning about from a master, David South. You don't want metal, which is efficient a...

It is 4PM Alaska time.  The doorbell rings.  These days, when the doorbell rings it's not usually the Jehovah's witnesses or the Mormons seeking to recruit me, it's usually a UPS delivery.  I've been ordering shit faster than I can get rid of the packa...

RE,I suspect there is a fellow out there  that is is not aware that you graduated from Columbia University and can teach anyone who doesn't understand thermodynamics, heat transfer rates in various materials, thermal paths and gradients, insulation...

This seems like a far better bet to look for who stole the DNC emails.http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-24/fbi-seized-crushed-hard-drives-h...

Hooded Seal (Cystophora cristata) Mom makes it clear that her SUPER MILK of seal kindess  is only for her pup.  ...

Diner Twitter feed
Knarf’s Knewz

Quote from: knarf on Today at 02:58:28 PM  [...]

The crisis of our age has many facets. All of them [...]

Diner Newz Feeds
  • Surly
  • Agelbert
  • Knarf
  • Golden Oxen
  • Frostbite Falls

Doomstead Diner Daily 7/24[html] [...]

Quote from: azozeo on July 23, 2017, 01:31:13 PMQu [...]

Quote from: Surly1 on July 23, 2017, 04:45:30 PMFo [...]

Agelbert Note: Hat tip to Azozeo for this news: [q [...]

Why do wind turbines have 3 blades? Hint: Cost of [...]

Air pollution limits in U.S. inadequate to prevent [...]

Quote from: knarf on Today at 02:58:28 PM  [...]

The crisis of our age has many facets. All of them [...]

Quote from: K-Dog on July 20, 2017, 01:36:05 PMOil [...]

Oil for gold. Black Russian gold, no Texas tea.Whi [...]

As I remember the deal was struck & signed on [...]

Martin Landau was probably most famous for his rol [...]

If the Nukes don't get ya, the STDs will.  Th [...]

I'm jealous. I wanna go to collij. [...]

I have been doing research for my next adventure w [...]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/governor-d [...]

Alternate Perspectives
  • Two Ice Floes
  • Jumping Jack Flash
  • From Filmers to Farmers

Have You a Positive Personal Practice? By Cognitive Dissonance   Those who dive deeply into unmaskin [...]

Dark Homes By Cognitive Dissonance   While we closed on the purchase of our mountain cabin in March [...]

The Greater Depression By Cognitive Dissonance   Once or twice a month Mrs. Cog and I pack up the ca [...]

SkyNet is Sentient and Will Destroy Your Investments and Pension By Cognitive Dissonance     Do you [...]

Poo Be Gone…Please! By Cognitive Dissonance (And now for a little humor.) For countless millions of [...]

Event Update For 2017-07-22http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/2012/02/jumping-jack-flash-hypothesis-its-gas.html Th [...]

Event Update For 2017-07-21http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/2012/02/jumping-jack-flash-hypothesis-its-gas.html Th [...]

Event Update For 2017-07-20http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/2012/02/jumping-jack-flash-hypothesis-its-gas.html Th [...]

Event Update For 2017-07-19http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/2012/02/jumping-jack-flash-hypothesis-its-gas.html Th [...]

Event Update For 2017-07-18http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/2012/02/jumping-jack-flash-hypothesis-its-gas.html Th [...]

Well, at least it was made sure that the Svalbard Global Seed Vault looks real pretty (photo courtes [...]

Now it's data that makes the world go round? It's comfortably accepted by many that what w [...]

I left off last week's post – "Money Doesn't Grow on Trees, Industrial-Scale Renewabl [...]

When you wish upon a star the Blue Fairy sends Tinker Bell, who plants a magic seed, which grows int [...]

Wendell Berry: "What I stand for is what I stand on"; Fanfare Ciocărlia: "What we pla [...]

Daily Doom Photo

man-watching-tv

Sustainability
  • Peak Surfer
  • SUN
  • Transition Voice

Can Foodies Save the Planet?"Facing all of these grave threats, humans collectively have chosen to go insane."Having a [...]

Snowflake Summer"Why has academia descended into neo-fascist regimentation?"We didn’t give serious thought [...]

Maya Theater States"What generally occurs when a civilization over-extends is not a complete disappearance but a r [...]

The Ragweed Tribe"We bonded much more deeply than crash-pad stoners or cubicle rats. More like soldiers in a com [...]

Concrete Solutions"We want to take the atmosphere back to its pre-industrial chemistry as quickly as possible. Fo [...]

The folks at Windward have been doing great work at living sustainably for many years now.  Part of [...]

 The Daily SUN☼ Building a Better Tomorrow by Sustaining Universal Needs April 3, 2017 Powering Down [...]

Off the keyboard of Bob Montgomery Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666 Friend us on Facebook Publishe [...]

Visit SUN on Facebook Here [...]

In the echo-sphere of political punditry consensus forms rapidly, gels, and then, in short order…cal [...]

Discussions with figures from Noam Chomsky and Peter Senge to Thich Nhat Hanh and the Dalai Lama off [...]

Lefty Greenies have some laudable ideas. Why is it then that they don't bother to really build [...]

Democracy and politics would be messy business even if all participants were saints. But America doe [...]

A new book argues that, in order to survive climate change and peak oil, the global money economy ne [...]

Top Commentariats
  • Our Finite World
  • Economic Undertow

Correct Bergen! We are knocking on the 100Mbd door for global oil demand. A figure Matt Simmons sugg [...]

If shale oil cannot fuel modern society then solar panels certainly cannot. Shale oil is about as cl [...]

Wrong again..... well done! Your prize is 7 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag. Congratulations! [...]

For getting the answer wrong ... you win a 6 pounds of shit stuffed into a 5 pound bag Well done [...]

Welcome to new day, added 's' to 'http' so everyone should feel more secure ... [...]

Just to be clear about all the different administrations mentioned; All the while not one thing that [...]

Clintons job was to keep the party going, BJs under the desk for all! Bushs job was to tell jokes an [...]

Hey Steve, why don't you look into becoming REs neighbor. After the great power down, you can l [...]

Think Vermont. All you need is a wood stove and an internet connection. I'll bet you have a lot [...]

RE Economics

Going Cashless

Off the keyboard of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Simplifying the Final Countdown

Off the keyboard of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Bond Market Collapse and the Banning of Cash

Off the microphone of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Do Central Bankers Recognize there is NO GROWTH?

Discuss this article @ the ECONOMICS TABLE inside the...

Singularity of the Dollar

Off the Keyboard of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Kurrency Kollapse: To Print or Not To Print?

Off the microphone of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

SWISSIE CAPITULATION!

Off the microphone of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Of Heat Sinks & Debt Sinks: A Thermodynamic View of Money

Off the keyboard of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Merry Doomy Christmas

Off the keyboard of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Peak Customers: The Final Liquidation Sale

Off the keyboard of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Collapse Fiction
Useful Links
Technical Journals

There is evidence that access to green spaces have positive effects on health, possibly through bene [...]

The objectives of this study are to use a clustering technique to identify homogeneous rainfall regi [...]

The city of Rio de Janeiro (Brazil) is located in a tropical zone of the planet, in medium latitude [...]

Drought is one of the major threats to societies in Sub-Saharan Africa, as the majority of the popul [...]

Follow on our http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/