Batteries

youtube-Logo-4gc2reddit-logoOff the keyboard of K-Dog

Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666
Friend us on Facebook

Published on The Doomstead Diner on September 30, 2018

Image result for batteries

Discuss this article at the Science & Technology Table inside the Diner

A star if it is big enough, upon using up its hydrogen fuel will begin burning helium and other heavier elements to maintain nuclear reactions and keep from going dark. As we use up our fossil fuels we should be replacing them with alternatives. Alternatives which like the heavier elements in a star won't yield as much energy as the hydrogen in a star did or as fossil fuels on earth did, but that's better than dead. There will be less energy and civilization must make drastic changes but survival could be possible. Civilization does not have to go dark.

Most likely however we will go dark and die. This will be like a star burning up all its hydrogen fuel and then going supernova without burning heavier elements between hydrogen and iron first. Iron takes more energy to fuse than it yields and when the core of a star becomes all iron the star goes supernova as it collapses onto itself. Mankind will go straight to supernova. We are not as smart as stars and a permanent dark age looms. Collapse will happen by a failure to transition to alternative energy sources and by not dedicating ourselves to not using any more energy than we actually need.

To be as smart as a star, civilization would be transitioning to alternative energies as quickly as it can, right now without delay. That is not happening.

Batteries should be part of the transition because they store energy. They can't generate energy. Energy to charge them must come form other sources but batteries are a big part of the solution. To that end I introduce you to John Goodenough.

Thanks to John I'm building a battery pack for this electric bicycle right now. All the batteries use the cathode originally developed in John's lab.

I'm using recycled laptop batteries that I get at a computer recycling center. Here is a laptop pack I just opened. I get the packs at a buck each. When finished I may spend $100 getting enough batteries. I want about 1000 watt-hours of capacity. This pack has nine batteries, most have six. If they are good it is a great deal. If they all test bad that's not good!

These batteries are Japanese batteries made in Fukushima before the tsunami. I knew that from the color right away and Fukushima is printed on them. They are connected to a small circuit board that will be removed and thrown away. The board is a charge management controller and I will replace that functionality later but for now I separate the batteries and test them. I keep only those that are worthy. My batteries will mount on the sides of the bike rack shown in the photo over the front wheel. Both sides of the rack will hold a pack and there is another rack over the back wheel which will hold two more packs. I may have as many a 224 batteries spread over four packs, or only 168. I am not sure yet. The battery cell size is called 18650. Eighteen millimeters wide by about 65 millimeters long.

Here is a picture of my battery tester and a wheel I can test motors on in the background. I'm actually more interested in testing motor control circuits with it.

I built up the bike myself and it was working using three lead acid batteries of seven amp-hours each on the back rack until they gave out. That was a few years ago and I could go about five miles using those batteries. Lithium batteries are expensive so the bike has been hanging unused in the garage but now reclaimed laptop batteries make a lithium battery project affordable. It turns out using laptop batteries for E-bikes is a kind of 'thing' and there are many You Tube videos about doing this. You can figure out what to Google if you are interested. I was not the first to think of using reclaimed laptop batteries, though I did think of it on my own.

Electric vehicles will not replace the ease and convenience of fossil fuel powered vehicles. Making electric cars has been practical since the auto age began but electrics can't compete against fossil fuel economically. Electric cars have been impractical from economics but technically they have always been feasible. Even using older battery technology electrics have been good, but never 'good enough'.

Society will only tolerate a drop in replacement for fossil fuel cars and such inflexibility dooms us. Only by embracing alternatives now can we hope to survive even if they don't work quite as well as fossil fuels did. I realize the blasphemy of this statement but after the fracked oil is all fracked up it is also all fricking gone. If we have not prepared we will then go medieval. Waiting until then to prepare will be too late. The new medieval will be far more miserable than the first and it will also last forever. We need to make other arrangements even if new solutions can't work quite as well. Failure to do so will be fatal.

Here are a few batteries with good capacities which will be used on the bike.

 

 

 

 

6 Responses to Batteries

  • St.Roy says:

    BUT, is there adequate lithium?

    • Jon Wesenberg says:

      There is lots of lithium on the planet. What there is much less of is cobalt, used in the cathodes of many lithium cells, along with nickel, which is sort of plentiful, and manganese, which is very plentiful. Lithium iron phosphate cells also don't use scarce elements, although the phosphorus might go fast because we need it for fertilizer. There will also be new batteries invented which will use magnesium or sodium instead of lithium, but there will always be a need for some hard-to-find mineral in our modern contraptions. If you read Extracted by Ugo Bardi, you will find out how taking minerals from increasingly low-concentration ores requires more energy than it did from the good deposits we've mostly used up. Since we're also using up fossil energy, mining and refining all of those minerals will become difficult-to-impossible at some point. That will definitely dial our resource intensity down and take away some modern conveniences. If I live as long as my parents did, another 30 years or so, that last stretch might be kinda rough.

       

       

      • K-Dog says:

        Ideally metals from batteries would be recycled.  Harvesting good batteries for the project has become an obsession and half of what I get from laptop packs are being trashed.  What I'm doing can't be considered reycling, but since it was all trash anyway. Cest la vie.  This is fun and education.

        Lithium batteries are not supposed to be hazardous in the environment from what I have found out.  I'm sorting the batteres as those above 1900 mAh capacity for transportation use.  I'm keeping everything above 1500 mAh hour and below 1900 mAH for other uses.

        Cells will all average above 2000mAh when they parallel together.  Few 1900 mAh to 2000 mAh cells will be used.  Their use will be only to balance out a few cells with unusually high capacity.  Where they are used there will remain an adequate margin above the 2000 mAh cell average for the parallel link.  Four packs will be on the bike. Each pack will 4 cells paralleled together in a stack, 14 stacks in series.  That is 224 batteries.

        • RE says:

          So what is the range you expect for the bike in terms of miles on a single charge over average terrain with average amount of rider input of pedaling?  How long to charge the pack to full charge from say 75% discharge?

          RE

          • K-Dog says:

            The range should be thirty miles easy enough.  I'll have more capacity than the rentals which seem to be able to get as far out from downtown Seattle as I am before they are dumped for recharge.  The trick will be to get the drive electronics efficient once I get it working.  Nobody ever thinks of the drive electronics.  There are significant efficiency gains to be made there.  In particular to better deal with hills. 

          • RE says:

            30 miles is plenty for me, especially since I could recharge while at work, if I still worked. lol.  A longer commute to work than that is simply insane.  Weather does remain a problem, particularly all the rain in the Seattle area.

            RE

Knarf plays the Doomer Blues

https://image.freepik.com/free-icon/musical-notes-symbols_318-29778.jpg

Support the Diner
Search the Diner
Surveys & Podcasts

NEW SURVEY

Renewable Energy

VISIT AND FOLLOW US ON DINER SOUNDCLOUD

" As a daily reader of all of the doomsday blogs, e.g. the Diner, Nature Bats Last, Zerohedge, Scribbler, etc… I must say that I most look forward to your “off the microphone” rants. Your analysis, insights, and conclusions are always logical, well supported, and clearly articulated – a trifecta not frequently achieved."- Joe D
Archives
Global Diners

View Full Diner Stats

Global Population Stats

Enter a Country Name for full Population & Demographic Statistics

Lake Mead Watch

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-BX686_LakeMe_G_20130816175615.jpg

loading

Inside the Diner

Quote from: azozeo on July 10, 2019, 05:11:15 PMQuote from: Surly1 on July 10, 2019, 05:05:38 PMQuote from: azozeo on July 10, 2019, 12:36:15 PMA leaked copy of Epstein's ...

Quote from: RE on Today at 02:35:45 AMhttps://www.reddit.com/r/globalcollapse/comments/cdnlco/this_week_in_doom_july_14_2019/[/u...

Police Warn Against the Rise of Meth-Crazed Alligators in AlabamaPolice have asked meth users to stop flushing their drugs down the toilet because they could create ‘m...

Quote from: K-Dog on Today at 07:52:47 AMQuote from: Surly1 on July 17, 2019, 04:28:41 PMQuote from: azozeo on July 17, 2019, 01:33:31 PMAfter the sentencing, he is ...

Execution of George Bush Sr. doomed JP Morgan, Deutsche Bank, MerkelThe execution of George Bush Sr. and his wife Barbara is finally opening doors to a real takedown of the satanic Khazarian mafia cabal, multiple sources agree.  This is seen in all s...

Diner Twitter feed

Diner Newz Feeds
  • Surly
  • Agelbert
  • Knarf
  • Golden Oxen
  • Frostbite Falls

Doomstead Diner Daily July 18The Diner Daily is av [...]

[img]https://scontent.forf1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0 [...]

Quote from: UnhingedBecauseLucid on March 18, 2019 [...]

CleanTechnicaSupport CleanTechnica’s work via dona [...]

QuoteThe FACT that the current incredibly STUPID e [...]

26 Jun, 2019Whether it was the Big Bang, Midas or [...]

In November 2018, a 66-year-old man named Tommy Th [...]

Dear Readers, Things in Venezuela are getting mess [...]

Quote from: Golden Oxen on April 27, 2019, 01:49:4 [...]

Musings from the Potlatch Parking Lot while cookin [...]

Nice! Cant wait to see the article. [...]

Quote from: Surly1 on July 07, 2019, 01:51:06 PMQu [...]

Quote from: RE on July 07, 2019, 08:30:58 AMQuote [...]

Quote from: Surly1 on June 28, 2019, 05:41:10 PMQu [...]

Alternate Perspectives
  • Two Ice Floes
  • Jumping Jack Flash
  • From Filmers to Farmers

Meanderings By Cognitive Dissonance     Tis the Season Silly season is upon us. And I, for one, welc [...]

The Brainwashing of a Nation by Daniel Greenfield via Sultan Knish blog Image by ElisaRiva from Pixa [...]

A Window Into Our World By Cognitive Dissonance   Every year during the early spring awakening I qui [...]

Deaf, Dumb and Blind Who Is Better at Conceding They Are Wrong - Conservative or Liberal Extremists? [...]

The Apology: From baby boomers to the handicapped generations. by David Holmgren Re-posted from Holm [...]

Event Update For 2019-07-16http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/2012/02/jumping-jack-flash-hypothesis-its-gas.htmlThe [...]

Event Update For 2019-07-15http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/2012/02/jumping-jack-flash-hypothesis-its-gas.htmlThe [...]

Event Update For 2019-07-14http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/2012/02/jumping-jack-flash-hypothesis-its-gas.htmlThe [...]

Event Update For 2019-07-13http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/2012/02/jumping-jack-flash-hypothesis-its-gas.htmlThe [...]

Event Update For 2019-07-12http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/2012/02/jumping-jack-flash-hypothesis-its-gas.htmlThe [...]

With fusion energy perpetually 20 years away we now also perpetually have [fill in the blank] years [...]

My mea culpa for having inadvertently neglected FF2F for so long, and an update on the upcoming post [...]

NYC plans to undertake the swindle of the civilisation by suing the companies that have enabled it t [...]

MbS, the personification of the age-old pre-revolutionary scenario in which an expiring regime attem [...]

Daily Doom Photo

man-watching-tv

Sustainability
  • Peak Surfer
  • SUN
  • Transition Voice

Good Times Traveled"Water may stain the frescos, earthquakes may close the tunnels, but the temples will survive. [...]

Clash of the Negative Emissions Titans: Cannabis, Meet Biochar"These signs and portents point to a coming Anthropocene that will not be your daddy’s World Wa [...]

The Real Climate Debate"That lump in your throat you feel listening to someone laying down hard truth in a poetic way [...]

Riding the Whale’s Tail"Our biological and cultural blinders are equal in every way to those worn by Material Evangeli [...]

Carbon in the Dale"Rather than put back the coal mines, we should seriously think about putting back the forests. [...]

The folks at Windward have been doing great work at living sustainably for many years now.  Part of [...]

 The Daily SUN☼ Building a Better Tomorrow by Sustaining Universal Needs April 3, 2017 Powering Down [...]

Off the keyboard of Bob Montgomery Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666 Friend us on Facebook Publishe [...]

Visit SUN on Facebook Here [...]

Today's movement to abolish fossil fuels can learn from two different paths that the British an [...]

Why has it taken so long for the climate movement to accomplish so little? And how can we do better [...]

To fight climate change, you need to get the world off of fossil fuels. And to do that, you need to [...]

Americans are good on the "thoughts and prayers" thing. Also not so bad about digging in f [...]

In the echo-sphere of political punditry consensus forms rapidly, gels, and then, in short order…cal [...]

Top Commentariats
  • Our Finite World
  • Economic Undertow

I finally got around to reading this. I found reading the transcript more interesting than I expecte [...]

"In the end I’m sure the long-time collapseniks like Gail, Nicole Foss, Orlov, JMG, etc. will e [...]

A small fleet of 107 power satellites with a an output of 14.7 giga newtons squared would produce th [...]

The geo-engineering experiment to make snow for Antarctica has a few problems, according to the arti [...]

Indeed. But to be fair to Mr.Armstrong, I'm pretty sure I've seen copies of his Economics [...]

Hi Steve. I recently found what I believe is a little gem, and I'm quite confident you'd a [...]

The Federal Reserve is thinking about capping yields? I don't know how long TPTB can keep this [...]

As some one who has spent years trying to figure out what the limits to growth are. let me say that [...]

Peak oil definitely happened for gods sake. Just because it isn't mad max right now is no indic [...]

@Volvo - KMO says he made some life choices he regrets. Not sure what they were. And I don't th [...]

RE Economics

Going Cashless

Off the keyboard of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Simplifying the Final Countdown

Off the keyboard of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Bond Market Collapse and the Banning of Cash

Off the microphone of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Do Central Bankers Recognize there is NO GROWTH?

Discuss this article @ the ECONOMICS TABLE inside the...

Singularity of the Dollar

Off the Keyboard of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Kurrency Kollapse: To Print or Not To Print?

Off the microphone of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

SWISSIE CAPITULATION!

Off the microphone of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Of Heat Sinks & Debt Sinks: A Thermodynamic View of Money

Off the keyboard of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Merry Doomy Christmas

Off the keyboard of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Peak Customers: The Final Liquidation Sale

Off the keyboard of RE Follow us on Twitter @doomstead666...

Collapse Fiction
Useful Links
Technical Journals

The monthly averaged data time series of temperatures and rainfall without interruption of Conakry A [...]

The Himalayas are highly susceptible to the impacts of climate change, as it consequently increases [...]

Spatial hydroclimatic variability of Eastern North America’s Allegheny Mountain System (AMS) i [...]

Climate change mitigation targets have put pressure to reduce the carbon footprint of cultural herit [...]

Follow on our http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/