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Published on the Doomstead Diner on December 22, 2015

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Early results are IN, and quite remarkable in how completely OPPOSITE they are to the policies actually being undertaken by Western Goobermints to try and combat this problem.  Also, many very strong opinions expressed by the Survey takers in the Open Text response areas of the survey.

The results speak for themselves, I am going to publish them without comment until the end.  The Survey remains open, and if there are significant numbers of additional respondents and/or the percentages change very much, I will publish an update of the survey results in 2016.

Now, on to the results!

 

Question 1: Do you think air strikes will resolve the Terrorism problem?

  Yes, retaliation with air strikes will help No, retaliation with air strikes will make it worse It doesn't matter either way. No opinion Standard Deviation Responses
All Data 3
(4%)
46
(64%)
23
(32%)
0
(0%)
18.43 72


Question 2: Rank these solutions to the Terrorism problem in Western countries in order of Most Effective to Least Effective

  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Standard Deviation Responses Weighted Average
Sending money to Border Countries to build Refugee Camps 19
(35%)
12
(22%)
10
(18%)
5
(9%)
4
(7%)
4
(7%)
1
(2%)
0
(0%)
5.97 55 2.62 / 8
Closing all borders and building Fences 6
(11%)
11
(20%)
11
(20%)
14
(25%)
7
(13%)
3
(5%)
3
(5%)
0
(0%)
4.51 55 3.47 / 8
Ground Troops in MENA 4
(7%)
9
(16%)
6
(11%)
11
(20%)
10
(18%)
9
(16%)
6
(11%)
0
(0%)
3.41 55 4.18 / 8
Stricter Gun Control Laws 3
(5%)
12
(22%)
9
(16%)
3
(5%)
8
(15%)
5
(9%)
11
(20%)
4
(7%)
3.37 55 4.45 / 8
Air Strikes in MENA 2
(4%)
4
(7%)
9
(16%)
10
(18%)
15
(27%)
10
(18%)
5
(9%)
0
(0%)
4.65 55 4.49 / 8
Everyone should carry a Gun so Terrorists can be killed before they kill too many people 2
(4%)
3
(5%)
7
(13%)
7
(13%)
7
(13%)
15
(27%)
9
(16%)
5
(9%)
3.76 55 5.18 / 8
Other (explain below) 17
(31%)
3
(5%)
2
(4%)
0
(0%)
0
(0%)
1
(2%)
4
(7%)
28
(51%)
9.52 55 5.22 / 8
Nuking MENA 2
(4%)
1
(2%)
1
(2%)
5
(9%)
4
(7%)
8
(15%)
16
(29%)
18
(33%)
6.25 55 6.38 / 8

Question 4: Detail any other solutions to the Terrorism problem you can suggest here.

Terrorism is not a problem until we in Europe have a situation similar to Israel. Paris clearly shows that politicians endanger democratic values.
Deporting Muslims
Apologize, end American occupations and weapons exports, send reparations, send unarmed aid teams with equipment.
Terrorism, in my mind, is a lot like domestic violence in families. It's a cycle of abuse you could say. Violence begets violence. The lack of economic and educational opportunity, employment after education creates, or marriage prospects creates a bunch of young men who have no outlet. Young men without a purpose are very dangerous. So, long term, we need to make sure men don't want to turn to terrorism because they can see a stable future elsewhere.
Inequality in many aspects is the root of terror, in order to tackle that you would need to change the current system of capitalist economics, which operates as a wealth transference mechanism. The current system transfers wealth from developing countries to core countries, or more simply stated from places that have less money to places that have concentrated money and even within the core countries themselves, as shown by the amount of inequality in the United States and other Western economic dominated countries.
Prevent radicalisation more efficiently, destroy ISIS' money sources
Accept & encourage as many refugees from affected countries as possible. Afterwards: Dissolve all majorly affected countries from their status as a nation, conquer the resulting territories and establish a new temporary military government. Immediately enact martial law.
No trade policy with involved countries
Stop giving them the attention they want do not publish names or photos of perpetrators.
Investments in Islamic countries- particularly in education. Improving efforts at integrating immigrants into European and American society so as to reduce propaganda material and decreasing susceptibility to radicalization.
International / Global coalition and participation in efforts and information sharing
Recognitio of the terrorist groups within our borders not affiliated with Islam. Correcting the "counter factual information" spread amongst the extreme right political and religionist.
Quit killing millions of innocent people in a culture where their relatives are bound by tradition and religion to set aside their daily lives until the deaths are avenged.
economic development
How about NOT FUCKING BOMBING THEIR COUNTRIES! THE CIA IS THE TERRORIST, THEY ARE HAVING FALSE FLAGS!!!!!
Abolish the Us military, disolve NATO, say we are sorry, make reparations
NATO to be disbanded. Ban the sale of all weapons to MENA especially those that are actively supporting terrorism – S. Arabia, Qatar. Turkey and others. Western leader brought to account for their warmongering. Cease regime change and other interference in MENA. Western countries should apologise to MENA and offer reparations for the damage they have caused. Financial assistance must be offered by western govt to rebuild infrastructure and create jobs in affected countries.
Degrowth
Stay the hell out of the middle east. Let them all kill themselves.
Just leave them the fuck alone.
Negotiate and inform.
Keep out of other countries. We just make it worse.
Stop bombing other countries and overthrowing other governments.
Spend the billions spent on arms in humanitarian aid. Withdraw troops and cease hostile action Buy the oil legitimately Put in birth control programmes Assist with local economy and growing some of their own food.
Stop destroying other countries
Let's have a war. An all-out Holy War. Can We get a Table Dance. Then we can get on with our lives.
Stop harrassing other countries for their resources.
as per my article on how to cure terrorism
People only use terrorism as a tool to archive their political objectives. While at full extent it is impossible, avoiding being their enemies and as many interactions as possible you can indeed reduce being a target of their interests to start with. Dialog, despite it can lead to nasty concessions, is also a potential and more civilized approach.
Massive investments in family planning and environmental protections. It's hard to be a terrorist when you are safe, comfortable, employed and well fed. Might want to also collectively stomp on religious fundamentalism. Stop supporting Saudi Arabia, Israel, Pakistan and make trade concessions only upon harmonizaiton of their policies with our. (China too)
Withdraw from MENA and everywhere else. Stop being the biggest terrorist.
Redistribute wealth from rich countries to poor countries and establish more options for a livabel future for the young people in their countries. Better education about Islam and religion in muslim communities in western countries to prevent radicalization.
The single best strategy to reduce terrorism would be to quit meddling in the sovereign affairs of other countries. Gun control might have an impact, but I don't like the cost (of losing my rights).
It is done by the 1% and they are not going away. No solution.
Send The Donald to Syria without a haircut for 2-3 months. The Donald's appearance will terrorize the terrorists into submission.
Deportation of anyone who 1) attends a radical mosque, 2) travels to MENA, buys guns, and grows a beard, and 3) pledges allegiance to IS on Facebook
leave those people the hell alone, that might help.
Stop fucking bombing them! Stop Turkey buying their oil and supporting them. Stop using oil at all and so stop funding them.
Don't elect Democrats or Republicans and completely replace all our elected representatives with new independent blood.
The obvious one is to remove all imperial forces from MENA, collapse voluntarily (properly prepare nuclear plant shutdowns, with ample funding for the 40 to 60 years it takes to decommission them)), and try to live as people 200 years ago did. So, yeah, this is a unicorn, but it's still a possibility for policy.
diplomacy, negotiation, compromise, understanding, intelligence, common sense, peaceful resolutions
Get out of MENA immediately. "Support the troops" and bring the troops home. Round up the neocons and oblige them to retire in public disgrace.
redirect us war effort to washington d.c. the enemy is there
The "terrorism problem" is mostly a fraud.
Give up the industrial lifestyle, ground all planes and junk all cars.
Treating terrorisim for what it is: crime an not as an existential threat. As well not loosing our shit every time someone with an Arabic name walks by.

Question 5: Where do most Terrorists come from?

  Most are recent immigrants from foreign countries Most are home grown locals who become radicalized It's about equal between Foreigners and Locals Other Standard Deviation Responses
All Data 4
(5%)
28
(38%)
29
(40%)
12
(16%)
10.64 73

Question 6: Are most Terrorist actions Centrally Planned by Masterminds operating abroad or are most independent actions by disaffected individuals and small groups?

  Most are planned abroad by Masterminds Most are disaffected Locals It's about equal between planned abroad and locally grown Other Standard Deviation Responses
All Data 5
(7%)
33
(46%)
26
(37%)
7
(10%)
12.03 71

Question 7:Who kills more innocent civilians each year, Terrorists shooting, beheading and suicide bombing people or NATO dropping Bombs and using Drones?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  Terrorists NATO It's about equal in Death Count of civilians between Terrorists and NATO Other Standard Deviation Responses
All Data 3
(4%)
56
(78%)
7
(10%)
6
(8%)
21.99 72

Question 8: Rank these current US Presidential Candidates in terms of who would do the Best Job of handling the Terrorism problem and who would do the Worst job Best to Worst.

  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Standard Deviation Responses Weighted Average
Bernie Sanders 26
(52%)
8
(16%)
7
(14%)
2
(4%)
1
(2%)
0
(0%)
0
(0%)
2
(4%)
4
(8%)
7.72 50 2.56 / 9
Rand Paul 7
(14%)
18
(36%)
5
(10%)
5
(10%)
5
(10%)
1
(2%)
5
(10%)
4
(8%)
0
(0%)
4.86 50 3.52 / 9
Hillary Clinton 6
(12%)
14
(28%)
8
(16%)
6
(12%)
2
(4%)
0
(0%)
3
(6%)
4
(8%)
7
(14%)
3.83 50 4.16 / 9
Jeb Bush 0
(0%)
3
(6%)
14
(28%)
14
(28%)
5
(10%)
4
(8%)
3
(6%)
5
(10%)
2
(4%)
4.74 50 4.64 / 9
Chris Christie 0
(0%)
0
(0%)
4
(8%)
12
(24%)
13
(26%)
12
(24%)
4
(8%)
4
(8%)
1
(2%)
5.04 50 5.32 / 9
Ben Carson 0
(0%)
0
(0%)
6
(12%)
4
(8%)
9
(18%)
7
(14%)
11
(22%)
10
(20%)
3
(6%)
3.86 50 6.1 / 9
Ted Cruz 1
(2%)
2
(4%)
2
(4%)
3
(6%)
6
(12%)
11
(22%)
13
(26%)
9
(18%)
3
(6%)
4.17 50 6.18 / 9
Marco Rubio 1
(2%)
2
(4%)
2
(4%)
1
(2%)
8
(16%)
13
(26%)
9
(18%)
11
(22%)
3
(6%)
4.42 50 6.22 / 9
Donald Trump 9
(18%)
3
(6%)
2
(4%)
3
(6%)
1
(2%)
2
(4%)
2
(4%)
1
(2%)
27
(54%)
7.92 50 6.3 / 9

Question 9: What percentage of Refugees trying to get to Europe are Terrorists in disguise traveling with the specific intention of doing a Terrorist action?

  <1% 1%-5% 5-10% 11-50% 50-100% Standard Deviation Responses
All Data 57
(78%)
12
(16%)
3
(4%)
0
(0%)
1
(1%)
21.62 73

Question 10: Is State Sponsored War a form of Terrorism?

  Yes No It depends (explain below) Standard Deviation Responses
All Data 50
(68%)
13
(18%)
10
(14%)
18.19 73

Question 11: Explain what circumstances State Sponsored War is Terrorism and what circumstances it is not Terrorism

is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program is not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_munitions#Use_in_Iraq_.282004.29 its all pretty crappy though
It's terrorism on a larger scale
When the stated goal of an invading force is "terrorize into submission". See invasion strategy shock and awe, United States invasion of Iraq strategy. They define it as inflicting terror on a population. That any moment they could be killed; and that any resistance they would be killed.
Generally, war could be considered terrorism if you're on the losing side. However, terrorism generally is associated with actions against primarily civilian targets.
no
I think anytime it's underwent with the express purpose of furthering an ideology, or meant as a "show of power" to either citizens or non-citizens.
Mutual aggression is not terrorism
Killing innocent people by the millions as collateral damage is terrorism.
attacks on non-military targets to harm civilians. think israel blowing up the only water treatment facilities in gaza.
All war is terrorism, premeditated, mass murder
War is just terrorism by another name – it is sponsored by the state and has a larger budget – those being the main differences.
Its terrorism if regime change is being sponsored from abroad.
CIA operation after WW2 OSA operation during WW2
State Sponsored War has legal status. Terrorism is extra-legal action. EG Mr Cameron killing in Syria prior to vote in Parliament authorising action.
It is not when it is in self defence. All other times it is terrorism.
It is not terrorism if directed at specific source of an attack on the country. Otherwise terrorism.
wars of choice and exploitation
I suppose Killing people is wrong, no matter what you call it.
USA bombing Iraq and Afghanistan is terrorizing those countires. We terrorized Lybia and Syria as well. What is one to expect from these countries in return, Thank You notes.
this requires a ten page essay
When instill fear is the main mean to archive your political interests, like bombing your foes with collateral damage to civilians not in consideration. It is not terrorism when there is a clear military objective to forcefully impose partly or fully your political interest (though it is still a crime).
Self-Defense of the state is similar to self defense of a person. Self defense is always a legitimate form of war. Foreign wars of aggression are not.
State sponsored war is not terrorism if it's done to repel a foreign invasion of native soil. So the kind of war we're in now is terrorism.
If aggression it is terrorism. If defense it is war. The war of 1812 was OK. The rest terrorism.
SSW as terrorism is sending The Donald to Syria without a haircut for 2-3 months. It is not SSW as terrorism when ISIS/ISIL captures The Donald and beheads him and his hair.
retalliating against a nuclear attack, or physical invasion of the US would not be terrorism.
killing innocents and children is not terrorism. Show me a bomb that can target only those people we are calling terrorists today and I will stop calling state sponsored war terrorism
Dead is dead. It does not matter how you get there the destination is the same.
State sponsored terrorism is, like other forms, using lethal violence to obtain political objectives (that usually reflect the narrow focus of a limited group and often against the will of the great heard. ) Kent State was clearly terrorism, for example.
defense when attacked directly is not terrorism going abroad to commit violence is terrorism
Clausewitz said War is Politics by other Means. To the extent that our serial wars in MENA are a latter day version of colonialist extraction, all military operations in MENA (as well as Ukraine) is terrorism. "Terrorism" is whatever the definer says it is.
state sponsored war is always terrorism
Anything that isn't a declared war by a state upon another but involves violence or coercion is terrorism. Period. Most of what the US does as foreign policy under this definition is indeed terrorism which is most US foreign policy since 2001.
When you are in a fight for survival and there are only enough resources for one group or the other. All the rest of the time it is terrorism, which is most of the time since the beginning of the Age of Agriculture.
Terrorism is a tactic. A state's foreign policy, including war, is a strategy. A tactic cannot be a strategy.

Question 12: Which driver of Terrorism is more powerful, Religious Fanaticism or Economics and Poverty?

  Religious Fanaticism Economics and Poverty Other (explain below) Standard Deviation Responses
All Data 17
(24%)
36
(50%)
19
(26%)
8.52 72

Question 13: Explain other drivers for Terrorism you think are as important or more important than Religious Fanaticism or Economics and Poverty.

cyclical effects in control systems, there has been terrorism before, some research might be in order
Oppressive governments that make life seem hopeless
False flag attacks by states against themselves, such as 9/11.
I think they're both at play. Fanaticism is a primary reason there is even a war right now. Some religious extremists want a theocratic state instead of a secular one. However, the key factor to getting low-level recruits is that those folks lack opportunity to hold normal jobs or they are pissed off about losses in their lives.
both
History
It's both.
NATO killing family members
I think media helping to drive the polarization of groups – be it political parties, religions, nationalities – creates a constant cultural narrative of "us vs. them" that increases and incentivizes and confines extreme/violent behavior to the "other" group.
Religious fanaticism is a vehicle through which economics and poverty leads to terrorism
Both factors drive terrorism together, with historical military actions and international relationships playing a role.
Profit by warmongers and bankers in the "civilized" world.
Poverty is number one because if people have shit to do or buy they wont build bombs
The CIA is the root cause of all terrorism.
US military and the US state dept
Anyone with a personal grudge against society can perform an act of terrorism – losing a job, being personally rejected by another or even imagining a perceived rejection can lead to terrorism – the many high school/college shooting in America being a case in point.
But the two combined are a fatal, toxic brew!
Climate change
Arms and Funding from Gulf States or the Pentagon
Energy
Religions tend to have reached accomodations with one another. Terrorisim tends to flow from a combination of political and religious views that narrowly promote their wellbeing at the expense of others.
Corporate greed.
Nearly as important as economics and poverty is the lust for power. Religion is simply the tool used for rationalization.
domination and occupation of other societies
I believe the two go hand in hand. People turn to strange religions (pretty much all of them) to help them cope with feelings of inadequacy financial, cultural, etc. But Islam is Bullshit.
was hen or egg first……
Hatred of Western exploitation of world resources.
Revenge and anger fueled by abuse and injustice.
Both in equal partts. Economics and poverty create the fundamental motivations, Religious fundamentalism shapes the motivations into weapons.
Greed. Anger. Fear.
Economics and poverty are more powerful, but religious fanaticism plays a strong role as of right now.
The sadism of the ruling class in the west followed by the sadism of all other ruling classes.
Looking at The Donald's hair is worse torture than fanaticism and poverty. Are NY Yankee or Green Bay Packer fanatics the result of poverty and religion. Well, yes, poverty of the intellect and a strong belief that professional sports are essential to existence.
Poverty amplifies fanaticism.
climate change. climate change,. climate change
The CIA and the Department of Homeland Security.
How about Classism. The Global .01% don't give a rip about the rest of their fellow humans, and steal wantonly from the great multitudes. It is inevitable there will be pushback as 99% is a large amount to keep docile and underfoot.
ignorance, lack of education nationalism tradition fear
Ignorance and nationalism.
Imperialism
As a driver, climate change is setting up the underlying unstable conditions that lead to war, conflict as terrorism.

Question 14: Would Terrorism be reduced if Wealth was redistributed from Rich Countries to Poor countries internationally and from Rich People to Poor people locally?

  Yes No It would remain the same Standard Deviation Responses
All Data 40
(56%)
16
(23%)
15
(21%)
11.56 71

Question 15: You may explain your answer to Q14 here (optional)

You know of the correlation between riots and food prices, beyond that you can pay off many people the rest you can ignore or avoid pissing off.
The governments of poor countries would steal all the aid money and give it to the already rich elite. Also giving free money to poor people is just a temporary solution that makes them passive and lazy.
it is self evident.
When a country is in conflict or poor, there is often a high level of corruption. If you attempt to get aid to actual citizens, it will likely be siphoned off before it reaches them.
Think of it as the law of the instrument, "often stated as" if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail". The current "real existing capitalism" operates as the "instrument", and whoever is in charge of wielding the instrument begins to see everything as "a nail." A change to the system of wealth transference is a necessary step, but that only addresses one item. It does not address environmental, or social institutional needs.
I don't think there are any right answers here, for all the questions
I don't know
By no means do I suggest that distribution would solve terrorism, but constant poverty often creates a vacuum of purpose and general anger/ feeling of "unfairness" that extremists exploit to garner followers. I think it would certainly help measurably.
Wealth redistribution may not solve the driving issue
Poverty and lack of education and opportunity result in disaffection, and alienation. Religionists are providing "answers" and a way to belong – to strike back at the evil and evil ones "responsible" for these dismal conditions.
reduce poverty would help alleviate terrorism
The CIA plans all false flags, they may contract the shit out, but they control all.
The rich countries are only rich because they stole from the poor, give it back.
A more egalitarian distribution of wealth would help reduce resentment between different socio economic groups and between different cultures but is not a cure all as other factors are also in play – religious fanaticism, resource depletion – the disputes over water resources are a good example of a driver that can lead to war/terrorism.
Rich people, even middle class people, vested in their socieites have better things to do than wage war and die.
I kinda feel like it would have varied effects across the board. I kinda feel like global redistribution might cause more problems in some places even as it decreases problems in other places. I support it locally but I dont know how it could work internationally, it would mostly change things up
It is called stress. Stress leads to action. Sometimes good, but too easy to be hijacked for the worst purposes.
Poverty is not the cause. Exploitation and inequality in a nation are the causes.
Terrorists come from the group that is disaffected economically, socially and politically. Committing acts of terror becomes a reason d'etre to some of the disaffected.
wealth distribution is not related to terrorism
It would also help if people could unit within their own communities and work together for their common good. Running to the white developed countries and demanding to be cared for may not be the best plan.
People would be less drawn to religious fundamentalism, or any risky behavious if they had a roof over their head, a job and a full belly AND their neighbours had it too.
Yes, and when that happens monkeys will fly out of my butt.
No act for increased efficiency will work if the number of humans are not limited. Too many humans.
Each month I make my rent, insurance, and car payments, I feel poor and thus am terrorized financially and economically. Therefore, I deserve to have a rich guy pay at least half of my living costs so I can use the difference to buy guns and ammo, and to make pipe bombs to terrorize terrorists who are coming to the US by the millions to kill us all.
It would help in the short term but ultimately be ineffective as new grievances arose and violence ensued.
I have no earthly idea.
It would intensify if governments were not changed out. The terrorists don't want their stuff given away and would be orchestrating the return of their stuff if it were redistributed. Redistribution is a bad answer anyway. There are other better ways. Of course redistribution is impossible with the government we have so it really does not matter.
As long as the Global North keeps looting the South, there will be problems. The wealth doesn't need to be redistributed; the North and the West just need to stop stealing ftom the South and East.
Scarcity breeds aggression.
Eat the rich.
poor countries are poor because we've already raped them
It would help, but ultimatly there will be blood regardless.

NOW…

Democracy comes to you - bomberWhat is the takeaway from this Survey????

Quite obviously, at least amongst people who frequent collapse websites, they are in COMPLETE DISAGREEMENT with just about every policy being followed to combat terrorism.  Not by a small margin either.  About nobody thinks bombing is doing any good, most think The Donald would be the absolute WORST choice for a POTUS who might be able to handle the problem, few think Refugees are a huge source of Terrorists, and even fewer think there are big time Terrorist Masterminds out there like Osama Bin Laden planning all the mayhem from caves in Afghanistan, and most think a redistribution of wealth (from rich to poor rather than poor to rich) would if not solve the Terrorism problem, might at least make it a little less problematic.

Now, are Kollapsniks TM really THAT different from the population at large?  Or is the opinion of the population at large simply being IGNORED by TPTB running the show here?  I tend to think toward the latter, but the general population is so Brainwashed I'm not entirely sure of that.  If the opinion of the population at large is just being ignored here, what does that say about the so-called "Democracy" that we supposedly live under and are delivering to the rest of the world via Carpet Bombing them all?  What does it say about the power of the Ballot Box and Voting?  It's obviously not changing the policies here no matter WTF you vote for!!!

On the other hand, if it's true that the general population DOES think these policies are a good idea, then what does that say about Democracy?  Do you really want a Democracy when most of the Voters are Brainwashed IDIOTS?!?!?!  Imbeciles electing Morons is a good way to run a Goobermint?  What?  I'm no fan of the Dictatorship idea either, so clearly we need to come up with a different plan here, because Plan A and Plan B are not working.  Suggestions?  Buehler?

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Amongst the numerous other problems we have with Climate Change, Population Overshoot and Geopolitical Conflict, one of the main worries these days amongst KollapsniksTM is the residue of the Nuclear Power Industry which grew up in the aftermath of WWII, when a few brilliant scientists applied the ideas Albert Einstein had about the equivalence of Matter and Energy, most remembered by the famous equation E=mc2.  What that tells you is that the amount of Energy contained in a bit of "matter" (the stuff around you) is equal to that amount multiplied by the Speed of Light SQUARED. For the mathematically challenged, "squaring" means multiplying a number by itself. The speed of light by itself is pretty darn fast, so square it and you get a REALLY big number!  Lots of energy contained in Matter, if of course you can convert the matter to energy, and figuring out how to do that was not in Einstein's Department.  Einstein was a Mathematician and Theoretical Physicist, not an Engineer.

However, this potential source of Energy and POWER was pretty seductive, particularly in a big time WAR like WWII, where if you could harness said energy, you could make a REALLY BIG BOMB, and wipe out entire cities with it.  The RACE WAS ON between the scientists on either side of the Pond as to who could figure out how to do this first!

The Krauts put together their team…

German Experimental Pile - Haigerloch - April 1945.jpgThe German nuclear weapon project (German: Uranprojekt; informally known as the Uranverein; English: Uranium Society or Uranium Club), was a clandestine scientific effort led by Germany to develop and produce nuclear weapons during World War II. This program started in April 1939, just months after the discovery of nuclear fission in December 1938, but ended only months later due to the German invasion of Poland, after many notable physicists were drafted into the Wehrmacht.

A second effort began under the administrative purview of the Wehrmacht's Heereswaffenamt on 1 September 1939, the day of the Invasion of Poland. The program eventually expanded into three main efforts: the Uranmaschine (nuclear reactor), uranium and heavy water production, and uranium isotope separation. Eventually it was assessed that nuclear fission would not contribute significantly to ending the war, and in January 1942, the Heereswaffenamt turned the program over to the Reich Research Council (Reichsforschungsrat) while continuing to fund the program. The program was split up among nine major institutes where the directors dominated the research and set their own objectives. Subsequently, the number of scientists working on applied nuclear fission began to diminish, with many applying their talents to more pressing war-time demands.

The most influential people in the Uranverein were Kurt Diebner, Abraham Esau, Walther Gerlach, and Erich Schumann; Schumann was one of the most powerful and influential physicists in Germany. Diebner, throughout the life of the nuclear weapon project, had more control over nuclear fission research than did Walther Bothe, Klaus Clusius, Otto Hahn, Paul Harteck, or Werner Heisenberg. Abraham Esau was appointed as Hermann Göring's plenipotentiary for nuclear physics research in December 1942; Walther Gerlach succeeded him in December 1943

The Amurkans put together their team…

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-30qtjDmvmJA/U4p002ATb_I/AAAAAAAARmw/crgtMMiDzVo/s1600/J-Robert-Oppenheimer.destroyer-of-worlds.meme.stevepiper.net.jpgIn August 1939, prominent physicists Leó Szilárd and Eugene Wigner drafted the Einstein–Szilárd letter, which warned of the potential development of "extremely powerful bombs of a new type". It urged the United States to take steps to acquire stockpiles of uranium ore and accelerate the research of Enrico Fermi and others into nuclear chain reactions. They had it signed by Albert Einstein and delivered to President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Roosevelt called on Lyman Briggs of the National Bureau of Standards to head the Advisory Committee on Uranium to investigate the issues raised by the letter. Briggs held a meeting on 21 October 1939, which was attended by Szilárd, Wigner and Edward Teller. The committee reported back to Roosevelt in November that uranium "would provide a possible source of bombs with a destructiveness vastly greater than anything now known."[2]

Briggs proposed that the National Defense Research Committee (NDRC) spend $167,000 on research into uranium, particularly the uranium-235 isotope, and the recently discovered plutonium.[3] On 28 June 1941, Roosevelt signed Executive Order 8807, which created the Office of Scientific Research and Development (OSRD),[4] with Vannevar Bush as its director. The office was empowered to engage in large engineering projects in addition to research.[3] The NDRC Committee on Uranium became the S-1 Uranium Committee of the OSRD; the word "uranium" was soon dropped for security reasons.[5]

In Britain, Otto Frisch and Rudolf Peierls at the University of Birmingham had made a breakthrough investigating the critical mass of uranium-235 in June 1939.[6] Their calculations indicated that it was within an order of magnitude of 10 kilograms (22 lb), which was small enough to be carried by a bomber of the day.[7] Their March 1940 Frisch–Peierls memorandum initiated the British atomic bomb project and its Maud Committee,[8] which unanimously recommended pursuing the development of an atomic bomb.[7] One of its members, the Australian physicist Mark Oliphant, flew to the United States in late August 1941 and discovered that data provided by the Maud Committee had not reached key American physicists. Oliphant then set out to find out why the committee's findings were apparently being ignored. He met with the Uranium Committee, and visited Berkeley, California, where he spoke persuasively to Ernest O. Lawrence. Lawrence was sufficiently impressed to commence his own research into uranium. He in turn spoke to James B. Conant, Arthur H. Compton and George B. Pegram. Oliphant's mission was therefore a success; key American physicists were now aware of the potential power of an atomic bomb.[9][10]

At a meeting between President Roosevelt, Vannevar Bush, and Vice President Henry A. Wallace on 9 October 1941, the President approved the atomic program. To control it, he created a Top Policy Group consisting of himself—although he never attended a meeting—Wallace, Bush, Conant, Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson, and the Chief of Staff of the Army, General George C. Marshall. Roosevelt chose the Army to run the project rather than the Navy, as the Army had the most experience with management of large-scale construction projects. He also agreed to coordinate the effort with that of the British, and on 11 October he sent a message to Prime Minister Winston Churchill, suggesting that they correspond on atomic matters.[11]

As we all know now, the Amurkan Scientists beat the Kraut Scientists in this Horserace, and these were the results at Hiroshima and Nagasaki:

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Talk about TERRORISM!  Beheading a few Journalists is NOTHING compared to this!  You got entire countries quaking in their boots if they won't Kowtow to you and accept your Dollar as World Reserve Currency!

At the point in the war these two Weapons of Mass Destruction were dropped, the Nipponese were already FINISHED.  They were beaten back to their own islands, their fleet had been destroyed in the Battle of Midway.  They could simply have been embargoed and left to starve, but nooooo… a demonstration of POWER was necessary to make to the rest of the world (the Ruskies in particular) aware that we were mean sons of bitches, and don't fuck with us or we will incinerate you in a heartbeat.

http://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/China-Pollution.JPEG-0bfec-555x370.jpgBad as all that was, it may turn out that the worst of the Nuke Puke curse brought on by the insatiable appetite for POWER in the species Homo Sap will not come from the Wartime use of Nukes as Bombs, but from the Peacetime use developed after the War to generate Electric Power for the growing energy consumptive society.

Nuke Puke Power Plants sprung up like mushrooms in the aftermath of WWII, and now there are something like 400 of them sprinkled around the Globe, mainly in the FSoA and Europe, but quite a few other places too. The Chinese want to build still MORE of them to boot!  Even though the coal is coming dirt cheap these days, they would like to be able to breathe the air in Beijing without having to wear an Activated Charcoal Filter mask all the time, but of course still keeping the lights on and juice for the Factories to produce toys to be sold at Low, Low Prices Every Day at Walmart.  Who will have working money to BUY those toys also remains an open question these days.

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As you can see by the map above here, the worst Bad Newz on Nukes is on the eastern side of the Mississipi River in the FSoA, in Europe and in Japan.  The Chinese will catch up here if they can, but chances are things will go south before they have opportunity to build too many of them.  Also it should be noted that this does NOT include all the Nuke Puke reactors aboard Aircraft Carriers, Submarines and in various research facilities in Universities around the globe.

The BIG PROBLEM nobody ever came up with a real good solution for was what to do with the SPENT FUEL from these reactors.  NOBODY wanted Nuke Puke in their backyard, the NIMBY problem.  For a while the Salt Mines in Yucca Mountain were proposed as a dumping ground for Nuke Puke, but after a few $Billion$ were spent developing this White Elephant, this idea got shelved.

The Yucca Mountain Nuclear Waste Repository, as designated by the Nuclear Waste Policy Act amendments of 1987, is to be a deep geological repository storage facility for spent nuclear fuel and other high level radioactive waste. It is located on federal land adjacent to the Nevada Test Site in Nye County, Nevada, about 80 mi (130 km) northwest of the Las Vegas Valley. The proposed repository is within Yucca Mountain, a ridge line in the south-central part of Nevada near its border with California.

The location has been highly contested by environmentalists and Nevada residents. It was approved in 2002 by the United States Congress. Federal funding for the site ended in 2011 under the Obama Administration via amendment to the Department of Defense and Full-Year Continuing Appropriations Act, passed on April 14, 2011.[2] The Government Accountability Office stated that the closure was for political, not technical or safety reasons.[2]

This leaves US non-governmental entities, such as utilities, without any designated long term storage site for the high level radioactive waste stored on-site at various nuclear facilities around the country. The US government disposes of its waste at WIPP in New Mexico, in rooms 2,150 feet (660 m) underground.[3] The Department of Energy (DOE) is reviewing other options for a high-level waste repository and a Blue Ribbon Commission established by the Secretary of Energy released its final report in January 2012. It expressed urgency to find a consolidated, geological repository, and that any future facility should be developed by a new independent organization with direct access to the Nuclear Waste Fund, that is not subject to political and financial control like the DOE.[4]

What's wrong with Yucca Mountain as a repository for the Nuke Puke?  Well, besides the fact nobody in the neighborhood wants this toxic waste in their backyard, it will take constant maintenance in order to keep the shit from either melting down or going super critical and blowing up.  Who is going to pay for that maintenance for the next 1000 years…no wait 1,000,000 years?

So what to do with this shit?

Fire it off into space heading for the Sun on one of Richard Branson's spaceships?  The Sun is already a nuclear fireball, so that should be OK, right?

A few small problems with this idea.  There is Tons of this shit out there, every last one of the Nuke Puke plants has spent fuel ponds with 30 or 40 years worth of Puke in them.  We are not talking a few small communications satellites or glorified RVs we put into low earth orbit and call them "Space Stations", we are talking Container Ship loads of the stuff!!!!  How much Rocket Fuel do you think it would take to jack all that up even to low earth orbit, much less get it out of the Earth gravity well and hurtling towards the Sun?  Answer: a lot more than we got available here.

http://strategiya.az/images/news_images/small/08-2015/1%20(2)_36315.jpgSecond problem even if you had this much energy to do the job is the slight issue of ACCIDENTS occurring, since you would need 1000s of rocket flights up carrying the Puke into space.  Just ONE of them explodes like the Challenger did, and the Puke rains down on everyone.  Not a good scenario there obviously.

There is another location right here on Earth though where lots of nuke puke resides already, the Core of the Earth, generally composed of Uranium because it is so dense.  It provides the internal heat engine for the planet through fission (the Sun works opposite, Fusion of small elements to larger ones).  How to get the man-made Nuke Puke down there though?

Well, there are spots under the ocean floor where the crust is pretty thin, and as the plates move over one another, in some spots there are subduction zones, where part of the crust of the earth gets pushed down into the Mantle and gets recycled there.

One such zone is located in the Marianas Trench, the very deepest canyon in the Pacific Ocean.

The Mariana Trench or Marianas Trench[1] is the deepest part of the world's oceans. It is located in the western Pacific Ocean, to the east of the Mariana Islands. The trench is about 2,550 kilometres (1,580 mi) long but has an average width of only 69 kilometres (43 mi). It reaches a maximum-known depth of 10,994 m (± 40 m) or 6.831 mi (36,070 ± 131 ft) at the Challenger Deep, a small slot-shaped valley in its floor, at its southern end,[2] although some unrepeated measurements place the deepest portion at 11.03 kilometres (6.85 mi).[3]

At the bottom of the trench the water column above exerts a pressure of 1,086 bars (15,750 psi), over 1000 times the standard atmospheric pressure at sea level. At this pressure, the density of water is increased by 4.96%, making 95 litres of water under the pressure of the Challenger Deep contain the same mass as 100 litres at the surface. The temperature at the bottom is 1 to 4 °C.[4]

Now of course, the idea of taking Nuke Puke and dropping into the ocean is a big turn-off for the environmentally conscious, not to mention there are all sorts of International Treaties that make this illegal.  This does not however seem to stop the Japanese from unloading millions of gallons of Nuke Puke contaminated water from Fukushima into the ocean, and so far nobody from the Hague has arrested the TEPCO managers either.

The Marianas Trench Nuke Puke Disposal PlanTM though is significantly different than the current Nipponese method of dumping the Nuke Puke straight into the bay next to Fukushima and letting it then disperse across the entire ocean.

In this method, you're not actually disposing of the Puke into the ocean, but rather into the crust of the earth BENEATH the sea bed.  I don't think there are any international treaties covering that, or who owns it either.  Also, there is no NIMBY problem, since nobody's backyard is even CLOSE to that.

How do you get the Puke into the crust?

Drilling Capsules!

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In this case, rather than working against gravity and trying to lift up the Nuke Puke, gravity helps you and accelerates the capsule on the way down, and like a Rifle Bullet it will begin to spin if designed as a screw shape.  It will drill itself into the ground on impact.  The material contained inside can be glassified and solidified so it won't dissolve in the water, and then after that the Earth itself does the work subducting this zone back into the mantle!  Problem Solved! 🙂

Can such a plan be implemented before complete collapse takes hold?  Unfortunately probably not for numerous reasons.  First of all, if you start shutting down the Nuke Puke plants, you're going to have shortfalls in electric power wherever they supply the grid, and nobody wants to see their lights go dark, so we'll probably keep them switched on until it is too late.  Then you have the issue that environmentalists would likely oppose the plan, and exactly how you would finance it also is pretty tough to figure.  So in all likelihood the eventual outcome is a vast number of meltdowns and a lot more radionucleotides in the environment.  Whether Homo Saps can survive that and for how long and where remains an open question, but the Tardigrades should make it through at least.

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Tardigrades are extremophiles, and can survive just about anything, extreme heat or cold, lack of water, radiation, the WORKS!

Tardigrades (also known as water bears or moss piglets)[2][3][4] are water-dwelling, segmented micro-animals, with eight legs.[2] They were first discovered by the German pastor Johann August Ephraim Goeze in 1773. The name Tardigrada (meaning "slow stepper") was given three years later by the Italian biologist Lazzaro Spallanzani.[5] The phylum has been sighted from mountaintops to the deep sea, from tropical rain forests to the Antarctic[6] Tardigrades can survive in extreme environments. For example, they can withstand temperatures from just above absolute zero to well above the boiling point of water (100 °C), pressures about six times greater than those found in the deepest ocean trenches, ionizing radiation at doses hundreds of times higher than the lethal dose for a human, and the vacuum of outer space.[7] They can go without food or water for more than 10 years, drying out to the point where they are 3% or less water, only to rehydrate, forage, and reproduce.[3][8][9][10]

So, anyone suggesting that the Earth will be "barren & lifeless" in anywhere near the near term as Guy McPherson did in a recent essay either doesn't know the biology of tardigrades or else they are being purposefully melodromatic.  There are even extremophilic organisms which thrive in wicked conditions, such as around the Sulfur vents on the sea floor.  None of these organisms are going to the Great Beyond anytime too soon, no matter what happens to the higher life organisms currently populating the planet, including Homo Sap.  Nothing short of an impact with a Planet Killer Asteroid is going to wipe out all life on Earth in any kind of near term timeline.

If past history is any guide, Global Average Temperature will top out at 25C, as it always has even in the Pleiocene Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM)

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25C is a cakewalk for a Tardigrade, and in fact many organisms can survive this AGT, just as they did through the millenia of the PETM.  The ancestors of Homo Sap were among those creatures.

DONE ONCE, IT CAN BE DONE AGAIN!

Can, Will Homo Sap make it through this Zero Point, the 6th Great Mass Extinction Event on Earth?  Maybe, maybe not, but either way the planet won't be lifeless for quite some time to come.  For eukaryotic organisms (both unicellular & multicellular species), the Earth's environment should hold up for another 300M years or so, when the Sun starts fusing so much Helium that its radiation output will make the Earth too inhospitable for anything but a few prokayotes.  Even the Tardigrades will be toast.

In the meantime, the objective of all living creatures is to live as long as they can until they eventually, inevitably succumb to death.  Nothing lives forever, not even Planets live forever.  Far as life goes on Earth, it is already in its senecense, the equivalent in the human lifespan of being 90 with a 100 year life expectancy.  How much longer we can survive remains an open question, although the timeline of 15 years to Human Extinction is highly improbable.  The further out on the timeline you go, the more probable this is.

In the immortal words of Chuck Palahniuk:

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One thing is certain, there is no possibility for survival if you quit and say it's all OVAH already and hopeless.  You make your best effort to survive as long as you can, and then when you no longer can, you will die.  Just like every other life form that was ever born on the face of the Earth.

It ain' OVAH till the Fat Lady sings for you though.

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