Existence

Infinite Regression Analysis of God

Despite the fact I have been attempting today to get back to questions of Economics and put the Existential Questions of life on the Back Burner, my fellow Diners have NOT been cooperating with me here.  LOL.  Further debate in the Out of this World thread led me to leave my work on my Manufacturing Money article and address once again my Belief Structure as pertains to God.  My initial stuff on this topic can be found in the On the Existence of God  article I wrote some time ago, originally on The Burning Platform. My initial response in this portion of the debate was to Diner EndIsNigh, and I am including a few further exchanges.  For a complete reading, follow the link to the OOTW thread inside the Diner.

RE

From RE

What is an uncreated intelligence, if not something from nothing?  Perhaps the concept of nothing is itself false.  Physics supports the concept that even where there appears to be nothing, there is indeed something.  Can there even be an “outside” of the universe?  Interesting to ponder.  The problem is, we don’t seem capable of separating the observer from the observed.

You work your way into an Infinite Regression problem once you discuss the Big Bang, where the Universe we can perceive sorta Popped into Exitence from Nothing, beginning as it were as a Point and expanding from there.  Expanding into WHAT though?

So you then postulate there is another Bigger Multiverse of which this one is just a part, but of course then you could have a whole other tier after that, ad infinitum as it were.  Where you wish to stop this Navel Contemplation is up to you, but in the end you have Non-Existence vs Existence, and the Existence is GOD.  God just represents the Existence of all things, all universes, everything outside of Nothingness.

Next step is to look at Existence itself.  Is Existence Random?  Is the Universe Random in organization?  Is Matter Random?  Is Life random?  None of these things are Random by any definition of the word, we can perceive even just on our own plane of existence all sorts of Laws which govern interactions, they are not random at all.  In fact most things are highly predictable because of a lack of randomness.  The sun rising and falling in the sky as the perceived from the Earth as it spins is pretty predictable stuff of course.

So, we have Existence, and Existence is not Random.  It has Organizing Principles, a “Thought” process behind it if you will, and that OP is God.  If you want to Anthropomorphize God you jump out on a much more fragile limb of course, then you make the case that God will sorta consolidate Himself into a Package and appear on Earth in a variety of forms He chooses to take at any given time.  In general I do not think that is highly likely, but not impossible.

I do think though that it is possible to forge a closer connection to God by grasping hold of more of the OPs the Universe we can observe obeys. Less possible but still not impossible would be accessing the Power of God to perform what might be called Miracles.  Miracles would be localized suspension of the typical Laws we observe around us in operation.  Parting the Red Sea, Walking on Water, that sorta stuff.  I don’t consider either of those as highly likely to have really occurred, but I don’t discount the possibility either.  However, to BELIEVE in a Miracle, I would definitely have to see it with my own eyes.  I could not believe such a thing merely from Stroies in a Book, anymore than I believe the Starship Enterprise could travel Faster then Light. None of these thing obey laws I am familiar with in my observation of the Universe.

Far as Jesus Christ is concerned, He seems like a Good Guy who was quite in touch with many of the OPs of the Universe, but not all of them of course, limited as He was by the overall Knowledge base of the time.  IMHO, He misperceived many things about the nature of biological organisms, dominance issues, population dynamics and overshoot, etc.  This stuff just wasn’t inside His sphere of knowledge.  As to whether He was able to perform Miracles, its POSSIBLE, but not PROBABLE.  Far as being the personification of God on Earth is concerned, EXTREMELY unlikely.  By no means though does that mean God does not Exist, He certainly does, because God is all around us.  God is EXISTENCE.  God is the ONE AND ONLY SOMETHING THAT CAME FROM NOTHING.

The End of the Infinite Regression analysis, as it were.

RE

From Tao Jonesing

So, we have Existence, and Existence is not Random.  It has Organizing Principles, a “Thought” process behind it if you will, and that OP is God.  If you want to Anthropomorphize God you jump out on a much more fragile limb of course, then you make the case that God will sorta consolidate Himself into a Package and appear on Earth in a variety of forms He chooses to take at any given time.  In general I do not think that is highly likely, but not impossible.

So you’re basically a modern day Deist.

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Far as Jesus Christ is concerned, He seems like a Good Guy who was quite in touch with many of the OPs of the Universe, but not all of them of course, limited as He was by the overall Knowledge base of the time.  IMHO, He misperceived many things about the nature of biological organisms, dominance issues, population dynamics and overshoot, etc.  This stuff just wasn’t inside His sphere of knowledge.  As to whether He was able to perform Miracles, its POSSIBLE, but not PROBABLE.

You assume (1) that there was an historical Jesus Christ, (2) that JC taught what he was alleged to have taught, and (3) that those who conveyed what JC taught had no ulterior motive in conveying what they conveyed.

I will spot you (1), even though I don’t believe it myself.

I can’t spot you (2) because (a) none of the texts were written while JC allegedly lived (i.e., they were all pseudo-epigraphical, a polite word for forged),  (b) the Roman Catholic Church decided which texts were canonical four centuries after JC allegedly lived, and (c) the New Testament was subject to numerous interpolations (another polite word for forgery) after the canon was formed.

I won’t spot you (3) because what was conveyed formed the foundation of a super state, the original “New World Order,” which nowadays is known as the Roman Catholic Church.  The RCC conveyed JC’s alleged teachings in a manner designed to assume control over the masses, and they managed to do so for over a thousand years.  NWO v2.0, aka Classical Liberalism, didn’t manage half that span, and NWO v3.0, aka Neoliberalism, has run out of gas (literally?) in less than fifty years.

From Roamer

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RE, So in your view is God still evolving??  In mine I tend to think that God is an ever evolving organizational principle that arose from a sea of nothingness and that is refined over the creation and destruction of countless multiverses.  I also do not think that the sea of nothingness that God arose from is nothingness per say, its just the most subtle fabric of all of existence and it happens to be continually ordered through the OPs God has discovered in countless multiverse experiences. So there never was nothing and never will be, there just is this basic fabric or stuff of existence which through ever evolving organizational principles undergoes successive arrangements as universes and multiverses.  More less a never ending kaleidoscope of ever changing existences…no begining no end.  The whole beginning and end thing seems to be unique to western religions and IMO was a really key notion on getting people to jump aboard key principles of extractive economics (easier to get people to rape planet when they believe an end rapture is going to save them when TSHTF).
From RE

So you’re basically a modern day Deist.

I think the precise term is Pantheist.

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You assume (1) that there was an historical Jesus Christ, (2) that JC taught what he was alleged to have taught, and (3) that those who conveyed what JC taught had no ulterior motive in conveying what they conveyed.

I think there is sufficient evidence that there was a Charismatic Preacher walking around the Roman Empire of the Era to accept the historical existence of Jesus.  Anyhow, you spotted this one.

Far as #2 goes, these may or may not have been all His teachings, but they do have a pretty coherent theme runing through them, so I would not be surprised if they all came from one guy.  Whether the Words you find even in the oldest Latin or Hebrew texts were precisely as they came out of the mouth of Jesus, that I doubt.  They didn’t have Tape Recorders back in those days, and I don’t think there was a Stenographer out there when JC gave his Sermon on the Mount.

For #3, there is no doubt that all of this stuff was taken and manipulated for Control by the Holy Roman Catholic Church, and still further forms of control by later denominations, like our Mormon friends of course. (Did you read about the Mass Resignation of 150 Mormons in Utah a few days ago?)

However, taking somebody’s ideas and then developing a control structure around them in and of itself doesn’t show the ideas were not his to begin with.  You could take Karl Marx as a good example of that, or the Founding Fathers and their “Constitution”.

The main issue with Christianity is the same one that Islam and Judaism have, which is that so MANY people believe them blindly.  Religions become a tool of Mass Control in this way, and it really doesn’t matter what the underlying principles are at all really.  They can always be manipulated to the ends of whoever is running the show.  The vast majority of the population does not think in detail about any existential questions at all, they depend on their Pastor or on Biblical Scholars to tell them what the “truth” is.  I’m not like that of all at course, I only came to understand God in the way I do by observing the Universe around me and how Nature and People operate inside this corporeal world we inhabit for a while.  Christ or Reptilian Aliens don’t appeal to me as good Expalantions for what I observe, so I reject both ideas on First Principles.  Doesn’t make sense to me.  Josey Wales makes sense.
RE

From RE

RE, So in your view is God still evolving??  In mine I tend to think that God is an ever evolving organizational principle that arose from a sea of nothingness and that is refined over the creation and destruction of countless multiverses.  I also do not think that the sea of nothingness that God arose from is nothingness per say, its just the most subtle fabric of all of existence and it happens to be continually ordered through the OPs God has discovered in countless multiverse experiences. So there never was nothing and never will be, there just is this basic fabric or stuff of existence which through ever evolving organizational principles undergoes successive arrangements as universes and multiverses.  More less a never ending kaleidoscope of ever changing existences…no begining no end.  The whole beginning and end thing seems to be unique to western religions and IMO was a really key notion on getting people to jump aboard key principles of extractive economics (easier to get people to rape planet when they believe an end rapture is going to save them when TSHTF).

Evolving?  Not really.  Evolving would have the sense of Time in it as linear.  As you say in your response, “no beginning and no end”, it all Exists, all times all places.  God is sort of a Guardian of Forever idea from Star Trek there.

Anyhow, the set of Laws we observe as True in this Universe may or may not hold true in others.  Inside this Universe, while you are trapped inside your corporeal being there is not really “Free Will”, you are constricted by the Laws and have only limited room for maneuvering about them.  Depending on circumstances some folks are more constricted than others of course.  For instance, a poor child born in Libya in the midst of a Civil War is far more constricted than a child of the Rockefellers born with a Silver Spoon stuck up his ass.

So, while your soul is in its corporeal host, you pretty much have to operate according to the Laws of the Universe, which include the way social animals behave, and Homo Sapiens is of course a Social Animal.  You can’t artificially make Laws that don’t conform to the way Social Animals truly behave, and Christianity tries to do that in numerous ways. This to me is what makes it highly unlikely that Jesus Christ was the Son of God.  A REAL Son of God would have come to Earth preaching principles that actually conform to what God created here.
RE

On the Existence of God

Another Blast From the Past here on the Diner.-RE

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RE’s Daily Rant-3/20/2011

Posted originally on TBP on 22nd March 2011 by Reverse Engineer  in Uncategorized

I’ll open this Rant with the series of questions Yojimbo posted in the last Daily Rant:

Dear Reverse Engineer,

At some point, I would like to read your thoughts on the following (and, no, I am not joking, being insincere, or otherwise; these times lead me to ponder the unknowable):

1. How and why did souls/spirits enter our species, an essentially highly adaptable, highly creative, highly aggressive animal, driven by powerful hormones and glands towards animalistic behaviors, and driven by our deep brain structures toward violence? There seems to be an irreconcilable irony or oxymoron inherent.

2. Are there in fact an infinite number of universes where a multiplicity of outcomes occur, each creating a new universe, thereby different from each other universe? Why does it appear to our perceptions that we inhabit only one? Is it possible to connect energetically with others?

3. Is collective spiritual evolution possible throughout the human species, or is it only possible on an individual basis? What about the evolution of consciousness? Has there been an evolution of consciousness during the history of human beings, or is it only hubris for us to think so?

4. Is there a difference between a soul and a spirit? How are they initially created? Are they created over time, slowly advancing, or all at once, out of whole cloth? Do animals have them? What occurs to them after the death of the physical body? If they remain whole after death, are there other worlds or states of existence that we enter, where we are challenged to grow or wither, as in this one?

5. Do other entities or beings affect this world’s events, either in a macro sense, or on an individual basis? Are other entities or beings affected by this world’s events? How and why?

Feel free to tackle these at your leisure. I assume during your years driving that you have come to some tentative conclusions. These are truly times that try one’s belief in humanity

The above all represent existential questions which nobody really can answer by citing “Scientific Fact”, yet it’s the kind of stuff just about everybody thinks about when confronted with Life & Death scenarios, either directly for yourself or by empathizing with the circumstances of other people. I’m not going to answer these questions sequentially, rather I’m going to look at the main question of the existence of God, from which all the rest of them flow.  Some explicit answers are here in the OP, others may come out in the comments.

Connected as we all are now Globally through the marvel of the internet, you get an even BIGGER picture of all of Humanity in an existential crisis, and you have to wonder just what is the Purpose of it all, if there is indeed a purpose at all?  Are we simply the result of Random events eventually generating up Sentient beings bound for eventual self immolation as a species?  Muckabout appears to believe that to be the case, he regularly informs me that there IS no “Other Side” we will someday meet up on. Too bad if he is right, because I sure would enjoy shooting the shit with MA in the Great Beyond.  Bright fellow, even if he is Older than Dirt. LOL. At least unlike some premature Alzheimer’s victims here he doesn’t smear feces all over the pages of TBP.

For most of my life I held this type of viewpoint, generally an Atheist although I always left it open as Unknowable, so that let me sit the fence as an Agnostic.  Its only in the last few years I “got Religion” and decided for myself that God Exists and there is a Great Beyond.  How and why did I come to that conclusion?

Its hard for me to pinpoint exactly why I came to this conclusion, but I think in general it is because of the LACK of randomness I perceive in nature now.  I see so many connections now in numbers and spatial and temporal organization that it has become impossible for me to believe that mere randomness was capable of organizing up what we see as “Life”, and more than that “Sentience”, which is the ability to perceive yourself as an independent unit in the whole organization. It took me a long time to see these things, really just about my whole life. I had to process my lifetime of experience to get a glimmer, and it is by no means complete.  I keep writing as means to organize what I observe in the world, I have been doing this for well over a decade now, long before the monetary system problems hit my consciousness, I was concerned with other things 10 years ago. I have tens of thousands of pages written on other topics on the Yahoo and Google servers, much more than I have written on the pages of TBP, believe it or not. I think about it, then I spend each day writing about it. It is a Habit for me.  Except for some short periods on vacations or out in the bush not connected to the internet in the last decade, I have done this EVERY DAY.  Its just a chronicle of figuring it all out for myself.  I like the interactions with people, I like to write in dialogue, I like to debate. It helps me sort things out.

I wasn’t brought up with religious Dogma, I was Confirmed as a Unitarian in my infancy. Unitarians are basically a catch all for people from different religions who sometimes believe in God and sometimes don’t.  I went to Sunday School and listened to Stories from the Bible, most of which stretched my credulity even as a 5 year old before we moved to Rio.  I once got in a 2 hour long argument with a Presbyterian Minister in Brazil as a 7 year old, the Church we joined there because there were no Unitarian Churches in Rio at the time.  He did not convince me God Existed, I did not convince him he did not.  Very unsatisfying result overall for both of us. LOL.

Anyhow, I hardly got a comprehensive inculcation into “Christian” thinking, but I did learn a few of the parables from the Bible during that time. Mostly I forgot them though through my life and just lived as most people do, worrying about your day to day things like making a living and getting laid.  I wandered around a whole lot, much more than most people, through many jobs in different trades living in many places. I have been in my life in addition to being a Teacher and Trucker, a Risk Analyst on Wall Street, a Research Chemist (I helped design some of the first Radioimmunoassay Tests back in the 70s), a Clinical Chemist, a Cardiac Catheterization technician, a Respiratory Therapist, an Assistant Chef in two NYC Restaurants and a Carpenter. Unpaid work, a Writer, a Hunter and a Fisherman.  Gambling and games for money, a sometime Poker Player, Bridge Player, Shooting Pool and Squash  and Table Tennis player in my college years and a while thereafter.  Shooting pool helped put me through college, along with playing Squash at the New York Racket Club. Against the Chinese students in the Columbia School of Engineering playing Ping Pong, I about broke even.  Maybe. You tend to forget the losing games.  LOL.  Sometimes employed in Unions, other times not, other times as an Independent Contractor.  I like doing many different things, so I changed jobs all the time. Besides driving every last mile of the Eisenhower Interstate in my Freightliner (well, Hawaii was in a Rented Car and Alaska doesn’t have Interstates and I haven’t driven the Al-Can, but I may do it this summer), I have lived in 8 different states, NY, NJ, MO, MI, IL, GA, FL, AK and 3 different countries, FSofA, Brazil, Oz. I moved inexorably outward from the center of civilization in NYC where I was born, ending up here on the Last Great Frontier, which I never intended to do, it just “happened”.  Random?  If Muckabout is right, indeed it was, but I no longer think so.

Either way, I am positioned here now and have a perch from which to observe the entire world in “relative” safety, certainly a whole lot safer than anyone living in the M.E. right now or in the Fuk-U-shima Prefecture of Japan anyhow.  What will happen to all those people, why were they ever even BORN?  How did we end up with this complex system after all the millennia of Evolution?  Off we go now into Tin Foil land.

If you have read my writing for a while, you should observe that I am very Binary.  Black and White, Good and Evil, Haves and Have Nots, etc.  There are of course Shades of Gray in there, but each of those shades is just a result of lots of little Binaries all contained within a bigger one.  You can digitize the world in this way, in all things. When you then go ahead and try to reconstruct existence, it again comes from a Binary, which is Existence versus Non-Existence.  The Universe itself either IS, or it IS NOT.  From all of our perceptions, it most certainly IS, I doubt anyone here would support the idea we do not exist.  We do have some observable evidence though that once a few Billion years ago this Universe did NOT exist in the sense we observe it now, it seems to have come from NOTHING in a “Big Bang”.  Can you really make “Something from Nothing”?  Everything we observe says you CANNOT make Something from Nothing, so from my observation point here on the Last Great Frontier, the Universe we observe MUST come from SOMETHING.  That “something” is something we cannot observe from this reference point, but it MUST exist.  In effect, we are Flatlanders, 2 dimensional beings in a 3 dimensional space we cannot observe until we rise ABOVE the 2-D space we exist in.  This is the analogy, just the dimensionality is higher.


So now you are confronted with the question of what the “Something” was that this Universe was created FROM?  You can’t answer that question other than to say it must have been created from SOMETHING.  If this Universe was created from something, other Universes likely were as well, at least there is no a priori reason they couldn’t be.  If this planet bred life and sentience in this Universe, likely others did as well.  Will any of these ever meet up?  Not likely in the “real” sense we experience the universe as corporeal beings, the general laws of physics make it impossible.  We exist in between a Binary, the very small of quantum mechanics and the very large of astrophysics.  This “gray area” is itself a product of many binaries, but we can only go so far either way exploring the very small and the very large.  Both are beyond the physical capabilities we have to do anything more than observe their effects, we cannot CONTROL them.  Not now for sure, nor do I believe we ever WILL be able to control them, not in a corporeal sense anyhow.

I keep returning to the idea of Corporeal existence for a reason, because each of us lives within our own bodies, our thought process essentially a product of a bazillion chemical interactions happening inside our little brains.  This thought process certainly exists, at least for you, and for me also if I read what you write here on the internet.  What happens to that thought process though when you or I DIE in a corporeal sense?  Does it, CAN IT simply DISSAPPEAR from existence entirely?  Here is possibly the biggest Leap of Faith I have come to, which is that just like you CANNOT make “Something from Nothing”, NEITHER can you make “Nothing from Something”.  Once a “soul” exists, it cannot EVER “disappear”, it always EXISTS in a Dimension of Time and Space.  The question would be, once freed from corporeal limitations, could a consciousness continue to exist time and space independent? To me, likely it can, because I observe how consciousness “infects” sentient beings.  You can observe it happening in children generally around the age of 2-3 years old. “Personalities” develop, and they are quite Timeless, independent of both circumstance and parenting.  They come from SOMEWHERE, not NOWHERE.  That “somewhere” is the Great Beyond as I see it.

Human Sentience is a marvelous thing, but I do not think it is Unique in the Universe.  In the “Gray Area” between the very small and the very large, it evolves from a series of binaries, and the Universe is a very big place with lots of opportunity to recreate similar physical circumstances conducive to corporeal existence and sentience.  None are likely to ever meet up because of physical constraints of the Universe we observe, but they are likely out there somewhere.  They are THERE, somewhere, and your “soul” will find one of them again somewhere and in some time once you leave the brain encasing your consiousness right NOW, because you cannot make Nothing from Something.

Beyond this Universe, how far back does it all go for how many iterations?  It goes back Infinitely, and there is no “Beginning” and no “Ending” for reality.  You can be in one place or another, but you cannot be nowhere.  Nowhere does not exist, because Nowhere is Somewhere.

If you choose to conclude that there is a “somewhere” beyond the observable universe, you then have a binary to deal with, which is if outside or “above” this universe there is “God” or “Gods” or No God.  The organization of the Universe itself speaks to the presence of some sort of organizing principle at the very least, whether or not you anthropomorphize it.  The Universe has ORDER, it is not random, our sentience is evidence of that.  The Order that you see is the evidence of God’s existence, because God IS the Order.

If you accept this much abut God’s existence, the next question is whether God Personifies, either in multiple forms as a Blond Norwegian with a Mighty Hammer or a Roman with Winged Feet  or as on Old Man with  White Beard or as a skinny guy with Long Hair nailed to a cross.  I’ve never seen anything sufficient to convince me God ever personifies, but I do think you can tap into the Order, and possibly Jesus Christ was able to do that.  He clearly was convinced he was directly connected to God, and he convinced quite a few other people of that.  So he was either a first class charlatan or he really was tapped into God, though that doesn’t make him the “Son of God” any more than any other Sentient being is.  If it’s a real tap, it just allows such a person to see more clearly, you rise above the Flatland into the world of 3D, so to speak.  That world is the world of the Spirit, and to me the world of the spirit is the result of an interplay between two basic elements of the Universe, Energy and Gravity.  Gravity is a relative constant in any location, Energy varies quite a bit.  I have an equation for this, which is S=G/E.  When Energy in a local area is High, the Spirit is very low.  When Energy is low, the Spirit rises.  Its an inverse relationship. When Energy goes to Zero, the Spirit rises to Infinity.  For an individual sentient being, when your personal energy goes to Zero (aka you DIE), your Spirit rises to Infinity.  For groups of people, its similar, the lower your energy footprint the higher your Spiritual connection to God.  From what I have observed on a cultural level, the people with the lowest energy footprint have the most REAL Spirituality, not the fake stuff of Organized Religion.

As far as what this means for our Future, I have a rather Cinematic and Grand Hope, which is that as the total Energy we are able to access drops, that somewhere somebody, a “Prophet” if you will but more than the Strauss & Howe kind of Prophet will arise somewhere, to pull off some of those Charleton Heston/Moses kind of MIRACLES like raising his staff and Parting the Red Sea.  You know, the “BEHOLD, THE MIGHTY HAND OF GOD!” sort of thing.  Not counting on it, but it sure would be grand if it happened. LOL.  Every so often I try this myself, I take out my Louisville Slugger and raise it up in the Cabin and do the “BEHOLD, THE MIGHTY HAND OF GOD” thing to rid the world of all the Pigmen, but sadly it never works.  Lucky thing for the Pigmen I am not a Prophet of God. LOL.

Even if no Super Duper Prophet hits the scene though, I do think as available energy drops our spiritual connection to God will increase, and in aggregate enable Homo Sapiens to survive the challenges that lie before us.  Clearly not ALL Homo Sapiens are going to keep their corporeal bodies here, but even though I See Dead People it doesn’t disturb me all that much because I don’t think their souls ever die.  Those souls go off into the Great Beyond where they Belong, some are sucked down by Gravity into the Pit of Hell, other rise up with Infinite Energy into the Kingdom of Heaven, still others wander around the Universe and are captured by newly born beings with the ability to house a Sentient Soul. In a kind of Hindu fashion, I think you can go through many cycles of this before reaching a final destination in Heaven or Hell..

That Yojimbo is best as I can explain it.  If you “get” what I am saying, you will understand it.  If not, its just a bunch of solipsistic BULLSHIT.  I am quite sure most people will read it as BULLSHIT,  most certainly Stuck will read it as such, but then again he also believes the Sun will come out Tomorrow. So it will, just probably with a HUGE magnetic storm vibrating the molten iron core of the earth and bringing us all just a bit closer to the end of Homo Industrialis.  Not the end of Sentience EVER though, it will always exist somewhere, not nowhere.  If not here in corporeal existence on the Planet Earth, then it will in the somewhere of the Great Beyond or in another corner of this Universe or another one.

In the end, a Belief in God is mainly about HOPE and FAITH.  To not believe in God is to be relatively Hopeless, without Faith.  It means you believe there really is no REASON behind Existence, you simply walk the Earth for a number of years as a collection of cells and then when you Die you are no more, and it matters not that you lived or died either, because the world would have certainly gone on either way.  For Better or For Worse perhaps if you have an effect on others during your lifespan, but even that becomes pretty meaningless without REASON, because then Good and Evil are relative concepts.  Many people think that is true, one Man’s Good is anther Man’s Evil and so forth.  I don’t buy that, I think Good and Evil are ABSOLUTE concepts, not relative ones.  To be absolute, there must be a reason for them, and that reason is God, or the Order of the Universe, however you like to think about it or phrase it is up to you.

I don’t know if I answered all the questions you asked Yojimbo, but it was a good platform upon which to explain how I see existence. It most certainly will drop me into the Tin Foil club, but given so many of my ideas put me there anyhow, this hardly bothers me much. LOL.

However it spins down here, all will never be lost, there is always HOPE if you have FAITH.  How you perceive God is up to you, its not about Organized Religion which really is a form of consummate Evil.  Each and every person has to forge their own connection to God, to greater or lesser degrees of success for us all, but we all have the opportunity while we walk the earth to do that.  You have to SEEK GOD and forge your own connection, and there are many ways to do it.  For me, I found God in the Mountains here on the Last Great Frontier, but God is everywhere to be found if you look.  Certainly harder to find though in the 30 Blocks of Squalor than here on the Last Great Frontier though, I will say that.  I am sooooo grateful to be living up here now, because when I look out at the really BIG Mountains which surround the Matanuska-Susitna River Valley, I feel very close to God.

See You on the Other Side.

RE

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