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Re: Seastead of the Day
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2018, 06:29:29 AM »
Gotta love Ludmila for her, ah, extensive skill-set. Probably into martial arts too. She would make me feel...safe and secure. I'm pretty sure of that.

No need to get a boat built. The world is awash in excellent boats.

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Re: Seastead of the Day
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2018, 06:39:53 AM »
Gotta love Ludmila for her, ah, extensive skill-set. Probably into martial arts too. She would make me feel...safe and secure. I'm pretty sure of that.

No need to get a boat built. The world is awash in excellent boats.

My boat is a revolutionary new design.  :icon_sunny:  It's a Sailing Submarine with the electric motors powered by Wind & Solar PV.  While on the surface it operates as a sailboat, submerged it runs electric.  It doesn't descend very deep, only around 100' to keep the hull thickness down and stay more lightweight.  Enough though for Stealth when approaching unknown shores infested with Zombies.  Also impervious to danger from Rogue Waves.

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Seastead of the Day: Seeking a Bigger Boat
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2018, 06:04:10 AM »
If I don't get the REVOLUTIONARY Sailing Submarine built with my Mega-Millions, I am looking at currently available sailing vessels for the Good Ship Doomstead Diner.  In order to house all the Diners comfortably, the main requirement is that they are over 100' at the waterline.

Many of the boats in this size category are Square-Riggers, which have a lot of Nostalgic Appeal.


Biggest Square-Rigger in the World

However, let's face it, Square-Riggers have a LOT of deficiencies!  They are PIGS and generally quite slow, and they sail like shit to windward.  They also take a large crew of nimble sailing monkeys to climb up and furl the sails when the wind picks up.  Would YOU want this job?  Only a young male overloaded with testosterone would find this appealing.

So I am only looking at boats with more modern triangular rigs.  Here are the Top 5 located so far up for sale:

Sail 100+ Feet

METEOR € 25,000,000
169ft Royal Huisman 2007
Location: Florida, USA

She is described as a 'gaff rigged schooner' with the forward mast being shorter than the main. Three roller furlers serve the forward mast to achieve ease of handling. The deck work is what really makes METEOR stand out from the crowd. Details such as the raised wooden cockpit surrounds and the beautifully crafted superstructures are reminiscent of a bygone era, and provide a really social area to relax in. Her hull is dark blue with a black underwater hull. The two colours are separated with a solid white boot line.

WELLENREITER € 7,500,000
151ft Jongert 2003
Location: Golfe Juan, France

Designed by Andre Hoek, WELLENREITER is the largest yacht ever launched by Jongert. Belowdecks an air of luxury prevails. The full beam owner’s stateroom is located astern and includes an office, sitting room and vast walk-through bathroom, a spectacular feature normally found on large motoryachts. This superyacht accommodates seven guests in a master suite with an adjacent ensuite single, one double and one twin cabin, plus five crew.

THIS IS US € 5,950,000
137ft Holland Jachtbouw 2005
Location: Tarragona, Spain

Produced by a collaboration of the highly regarded Holland Jachtbouw yard and Hoek Design studio, THIS IS US represents the very best of Dutch build quality and design. Her powerful carbon rig, carbon-spectra sails and deep lifting keel allow THIS IS US to perform just as a high performance cruising yacht should. Following an extensive refit in 2013 at Holland Jachtbouw and further work including hull repaint in 2015, THIS IS US is in excellent order.

MANUTARA $ 2,750,000
115ft Valdettaro Custom 1994
Location: Palm Beach, FL, USA

MANUTARA is one of the largest, most comfortable cruising yachts in her class. Her combined upgraded condition, five-stateroom plus crew layout along with an abundance of amenities, private spaces and dining options make her ideal for family cruising. Her four guest staterooms convert from 8 single beds to 4 king-sized beds, plus the full-beam master suite with a centerline king bed provide for incredible versatility. Wide steps on the reverse transom give easy dinghy and water access. With her previous owner she has had an outstanding charter record.

BILLY BUDD II € 3,600,000
112ft Royal Huisman 34m Luxury Sailing Yacht 1994
Location: Genova, Italy

From the legendary Royal Huisman yard with naval architecture designed by Judel Vrolijk, the 34.3m BILLY BUDD II was built for a client who holds high performance as his first criterion. She is designed to be a fast and comfortable cruising yacht with a fully-battened main, with many of the winches from Rondal.


Obviously, since Money is no object here, I would go for the Meteor at 169'.  Even after the IRS takes out the taxes on my $1B winnings, I still have $500M left so this is Pocket Change.  In fact I could buy all 5 of them for a Fleet and still be under $200K.  Maintenance costs, staffing and docking fees though would quickly burn up my winnings, so not gonna do that.

Going for Bang for the Buck and value, I would probably go for the Manutara @ 115' and a $2.75M price tag.  With just a single mast, she doesn't require much in the way of crew either, since there has to be electric assist for raising those sails and reefing them.

Despite my general penurious nature, I'll probably spring for the Meteor anyhow.  The accomodations are just too nice to pass up!  :icon_sunny:

Main Salon for Diner Meetings


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In order to keep maintenance costs down, the Good Ship Doomstead Diner will mostly be at sea, anchored in remote coves or  if near civilization then on a mooring offshore.  Docking this thing would be a ridiculous problem in most marinas, even if you had a slip big enough and bow thrusters!  It's big enough to carry a substantial size tender on davits for commuting to shore.


Tomorrow I will be interviewing for the position of Pilot/Navigator on the Good Ship Doomstead Diner.  The candidates are HOT! :icon_mrgreen:

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Re: Seastead of the Day
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2018, 06:29:41 AM »
You have the budget consciousness of a US congressman. You're overspending by a power of ten. Not necessary.

Check out this modest yacht of 100 ft. (Anything much bigger is way too big, imho).



http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/3-Mast-Schooner-Traditional-Turkish-Gulet-2019550/East-Med/Turkey#.WmCuf5M-cWo
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Re: Seastead of the Day
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2018, 06:41:38 AM »
You have the budget consciousness of a US congressman. You're overspending by a power of ten. Not necessary.

Check out this modest yacht of 100 ft. (Anything much bigger is way too big, imho).



http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/3-Mast-Schooner-Traditional-Turkish-Gulet-2019550/East-Med/Turkey#.WmCuf5M-cWo

When you have $500M to spend before TSHTF Day arrives, you want to get rid of it before it goes worthless.  ::)

It's got an extra 60' of length, so more room for more amenities than your find.  Remember, we have to fit a full floating dental office on this thing.

I will admit your boat is coming in at a great price.  You do have to go to Turkey to get it though.  Not the safest place to be as a rich Amerikan these days.

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Re: Seastead of the Day
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2018, 02:35:44 PM »
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[Turkey] - Not the safest place to be as a rich Amerikan these days.

True.  Nowhere is safe for Amerikans these days, let alone in an allied country which is almost at war with US.  However this is only a problem if you can't afford to pay a crew to get the boat for you. They will need feeding as well, and workers' health insurance and transport home bonds. They will of course expect to do their own drug/gun/migrant running while they are in such a prime spot.  I presume you will fly out to join them once they have cleared customs in Greece.  Then the crew will probably all disappear and you will need to hire another lot with better figures.

I can't emphasise enough how much you need hand-holds all over the place if you are going to sea.  Those big cabins with normal king-size beds would be totally unusable at sea - everything would be rolling back and forth on the floor.
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Re: Seastead of the Day
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2018, 03:06:14 PM »
I'd much rather be an American in Turkey than a Turk whom Erdogan considers disloyal to his despotic regime.

Those Gulets are interesting whore houses. Most of them seem to have two huge cabins. One for the Prince, and one for the wives? There are always some big ones for sale. 100 feet isn't even a big one.

The most important feature seems to be that they are set up for fine dining, for maybe a party of twenty or more. I would guess they do most of their sailing in the Mediterranean, and in good weather. Lots of socializing at dockside, no doubt.

 
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Re: Seastead of the Day
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2018, 04:08:35 PM »
Probably best to wait a day or two before flying to Ankara.

https://www.rt.com/news/416316-afrin-turkey-offensive-kurds/
Afrin knot: How the battle for a small Kurdish enclave could be the death knell for US-Turkey ties
18 Jan, 2018

Turkey is gearing up to move troops toward Afrin, a Kurdish-held area of Syria. The battle over the tiny enclave, which many would struggle to find on the map, could put Ankara in open conflict with NATO ally the US – here’s how.

This week, the countdown began for Afrin, a Kurdish-held enclave in the north of Syria which is feverously preparing for a major Turkish offensive. Over the past few days, international media have been reporting about Turkish troops, tanks and armored vehicles rolling towards the Syrian border.

The upcoming intervention in Afrin is said to be an extension of Turkey’s Euphrates Shield Operation, the declared goal of which was to target Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS) and drive Kurdish forces out of their enclaves in northern Syria.

As soldiers on both sides prepare for what is shaping up to be a fierce battle, we look at how the likely siege of a small enclave adds fuel to the fire of already-strained US-Turkey ties, and how America’s policy of developing bonds with groups at odds with one another is leading to failure for Washington in Syria and beyond.
Turkey’s likely military plans

Not much is known about Ankara’s exact strategy of capturing Afrin, but a ground offensive seems to be the backbone of Turkish plans. Over the past week, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and self-propelled howitzers have been arriving to the border areas inside Turkey, according to Turkish press reports. Notably, the army has deployed signal jammers, which indicates the intervention might also include electronic warfare.

However, it will not be the Turks themselves that lead the fight. In its previous operations on Syrian soil, Ankara heavily relied on pro-Turkish rebels who made up most of the manpower to fight against the Kurds. This time promises to be no different. On Tuesday, when asked if Syrian rebels would be involved in the Afrin operation, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said: “Of course they will, together. This struggle is being conducted for them. Not for us.”

Some Turkish media suggested that the offensive will start with airstrikes on 149 targets of the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG), with the air raids involving fighters and drones. Haberturk reported, citing military forces, that Afrin and the adjacent areas have been monitored for several weeks by Turkish special forces, who will also be taking part in the offensive.

‘Capturing Afrin is no easy task’

Meanwhile, experts have expressed doubt that Turkish military’s operation to enter Afrin will be an easy ride. Grigory Lukyanov, professor of the Moscow-based Higher School of Economics, told RT by phone that some of the Turkish Army’s most battle-hardened officers were expelled from the military or persecuted after the failed 2016 coup, and such “cleansing of the ranks” might have weakened the armed forces. “The Euphrates Shield offensive has shown that Turkish military leaders… have little experience in conducting complex operations involving combat aircraft, ground forces and heavy armor,” Lukyanov said.

While the army has no shortage of ammunition and manpower, Lukyanov said it still lacks personnel able to operate systems such as drones and manned aircraft. Previous Euphrates Shield offensives came at a high cost for the Turkish military, Lukyanov added, as large numbers of soldiers were killed or injured, and multiple armored vehicles were destroyed beyond repair.

The Kurds, for their part, have managed to build up a reliable fighting force, having received training and modern weapons from the US, Lukyanov said, adding that the combat experience that Kurdish militias have accumulated during their fight against Islamic State makes them a “near-peer opponent” of the Turkish forces.

Russia quiet, Turkey puzzled

Though a ground offensive seems the safest option for Turkish military planners, it certainly won’t be without air support. The Turks cannot afford a high number of casualties among their troops, which makes airpower a game changer in the Afrin invasion.

In addition, the Kurdish enclave lies close to Russia’s Khmeimim Airbase, and Moscow’s attitude towards the Afrin operation is probably the trickiest question for Ankara. The airbase is protected by sophisticated S-400 air defense systems, and the adjacent province of Idlib, including Afrin itself, is certainly within reach of its surface-to-air missiles.

However, Igor Korotchenko, Russian military expert and editor-in-chief of ‘National Defense’ magazine, says S-400s are deployed to protect the airbase against enemy intrusion, and have nothing to do with covering other parts of Syria. “When it comes to some missions of foreign aircraft in Syria’s airspace, this is the area of responsibility of Syria’s air defense forces, not Russia’s,” he said.

Moscow has generally been wary of Turkish actions in the north of Syria, urging respect for the war-ravaged country’s territorial integrity. But to stay on the safe side this time, Ankara needs to keep the Russian military updated on every step it takes, and do its utmost to avoid dangerous incidents.

In recent days, Russia has been noticeably quiet on Turkey’s plans to invade Afrin. The only official statement was that of Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who urged on Monday for people to refrain from coercive actions and move to the negotiating table. “Indeed, the Kurds are part of the Syrian nation,” he told a news conference. “Their interests must be taken into account.”

In the meantime, as Turkey amasses troops and armor along the border, the Kurds are far from sitting idle. Kurdish militias, many of them trained by American instructors, have been honing their combat skills and receiving considerable arms supplies from abroad. And this is where the US comes into play.

Friendly foes: America between Turkey & the Kurds

Washington’s Kurdish policy has been ambiguous since the start of the US-led anti-IS operation. On one hand, the US has designated the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), which has been fighting the Turks since the mid-1980s, a terrorist organization – as has the European Union and Turkey itself.
On the other hand, the US cultivated ties with Syria’s Kurdish YPG militia, despised by Ankara. YPG fighters proved effective in the fight against IS and Syrian government forces, and the group – which was set up by the Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) – quickly became America’s key ally on Syrian soil.

And here is where it gets even more interesting – the US maintains that Turkey has the right to suppress the “terrorist” PKK, while at the same time siding with the YPG.

To make things worse, the Pentagon has launched a training program for Kurdish and Arab border guards in Syria to prevent the resurgence of IS. Details of the initiative soon came to light, with the US-led coalition unveiling a plan to set up a 30,000-strong “border force” on the basis of Syrian Democratic Force (SDF) veterans, who are set to make up half of the recruits.

The move caused predictable outrage in Ankara, with Erdogan promising “to drown this terrorist force before it is born.” The army of “traitors” that Washington seeks to create will point their guns against US troops at the first threat, Erdogan cautioned. Separately, Turkey raised the issue with NATO, demanding that the military bloc take action against the creation of the “terrorist army.”

Fueling the unfolding spat, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu “bluntly told” US counterpart Rex Tillerson this week that the step“could threaten our bilateral ties and could lead us down an irreversible route.”

Some Turkish politicians have even called to ban the US Air Force from using Incirlik Airbase until the Pentagon ends its alignment with the Syrian Kurds.
Dogu Perincek, leader of the left-wing Vatan Party, suggested that the American troops from Incirlik be removed and cooperation with Russia and Iran be forged “to deter the United States.”

Notably, major Turkish media have also followed suit, ramping up rhetoric over the US presence in Syria, with leading newspaper Hurriyet writing in an opinion piece: “Is the US army ready to open fire on the Turks if the Turks open fire on forces that the US also once recognized as terrorists?”“Is this not a move that could lead to a de facto division of Syria and open another Cold War-era style politics, Mr. Trump?”
Afrin operation: Lose-lose for US

The US currently has an estimated 2,000 troops on the ground in Syria which were deployed without an invitation from Damascus or mandate from the UN Security Council. American soldiers were embedded with YPG forces taking part in a major offensive to capture the city of Raqqa from Islamic State last year.

As the outrage mounted, the Pentagon quickly backtracked on its support for the YPG or the Kurdish border force. “We don’t consider them as part of our Defeat ISIS operations which is what we are doing there and we do not support them,” Pentagon spokesman Major Adrian Rankine-Galloway told the Turkish state Anadolu news agency. “We are not involved with them at all,” the military official reiterated, adding: “There is no train, advise and assist program going [on] in Afrin.”

On Wednesday, the Pentagon tried to downplay the significance of the 30,000-strong Kurdish force. “The US continues to train local security forces in Syria,” it said. “This is not a new ‘army’ or conventional ‘border guard’ force.” The US military is “keenly aware of the security concerns of Turkey, our Coalition partner and NATO ally,” the statement added.

Washington’s statements seem to have had little effect on Ankara’s plans. Chairing a four-hour National Security Meeting on Wednesday night, President Erdogan said Turkey will never allow the creation of “a terrorist army” in Syria. “It is regrettable that a state, which is part of NATO and our ally in bilateral relations, declares the terrorists as its partner and provides them with weapons, without any concern for our safety,” the Turkish leader said. He also demanded that weapons and equipment supplied to the YPG “be collected without delay,” adding that Turkey is losing patience.

The troops fully deployed along the Turkish-Syrian border are still awaiting the signal to move, providing a small window of opportunity to find a peaceful solution to the Afrin knot.

But will the Trump administration be able to pacify the Turks, calm down the Kurds and persuade the two to sit down and talk? Given the absence of a clear American strategy for the Middle East, the answer is probably ‘no’.

Indeed, it is chaotic, ambiguous and inarticulate US policy which is causing America to lose on every front in the region. A NATO partner engaging in an all-out war on your regional ally is a clear sign that something has failed in your foreign policy.

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Re: Seastead of the Day
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2018, 05:11:51 PM »
Damn, another trip spoiled.

I researched those boats. You always see them if you look at brokerage sites and flip through the really big sailboats. For anybody besides me who didn't know, they...the gulets, are mostly used for tourist charters on what is known as the Turkish Riviera. (I didn't even know there was a Turkish Riviera.)

I always thought of Turkey as a little dangerous, but I have no real knowledge. I knew some people who were friends of my kids who went a few years ago and stayed for months. But they were world travelers who spoke multiple languages and could maybe have passed for real Spaniards, instead of Texicans.

Even though they look traditional, they've only been building them (mostly, but not exclusively in Turkey)  since 1970, according to Wiki. I would guess they must cater to rich Arabs with those super luxury accoutrements.

Probably not that seaworthy, even with handholds.

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Re: Seastead of the Day
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2018, 06:02:28 PM »

I can't emphasise enough how much you need hand-holds all over the place if you are going to sea.  Those big cabins with normal king-size beds would be totally unusable at sea - everything would be rolling back and forth on the floor.

Good point.  I was looking at all those free standing tables and chairs too.  They would be flying missiles.  You would have to stow them and strap them down every time you left port.  I'll have to budget for a complete refit of the interior. 🤑

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⛵ Seastead of the Day: Staff Selection for Pilot-Navigator
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2018, 05:17:57 AM »
Ludmila got the job as Captain.  However, we signed on Janet as First Mate as well.  :icon_sunny:

Our candidates for Pilot-Navigator are:

Pilot-Navigator

Leilani

Bio:  Leilani is half Haole and Half Polynesian.  Her Polynesian side comes from a long line of Navigators going back to the Tahitian Migration to Hawaii in 1000 AD.  Her grandfather taught her the navigation techniques as a young girl.  She served as crew on the Hokulea for 3 years.  Her hobbies include spinning, sewing & weaving.

Ingrid


Bio:  Ingrid is a doctoral candidate in Astrophysics at the University of Stockholm.  She has an Eidetic Memory and a complete recollection of the position of 10,000 visible stars in the night sky.  Her hobbies include Mud Wrestling and "anything kinky".
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Re: Seastead of the Day
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2018, 06:29:08 AM »


So emaciated, no tits.  Worst so far.
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Re: Seastead of the Day
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2018, 06:44:22 AM »


So emaciated, no tits.  Worst so far.

Different strokes for different folks.  I LIKE flat chested!  No sagging and stretch marks.  Better known as a "Carpenter's Dream".  Flat as a Board and EZ to Nail.  :icon_sunny:

I'm a Leg Man, not a Tit Man.  I like long legs and a nice set of firm gluts.

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Re: Seastead of the Day
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2018, 05:28:06 PM »
How long until you crew of super sailors feed all the aging boomers to the sharks and go full on privateer?
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« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2018, 05:32:39 PM »
How long until you crew of super sailors feed all the aging boomers to the sharks and go full on privateer?

About the time all my buried preps run out.  Until then, I am pretty safe I think.  :icon_sunny:

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