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Re: IS DONALD TRUMP A TRAITOR?
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2018, 10:36:43 AM »
The deal with Trumpofsky and the Ruskies is not really the election, it's his years in the real estate bizness where both his father and himself HAD to be in bizness with organized crime.  You don't build Casinos in New Jersey without rubbing shoulders with the mob.

The Ruskies are no different, they are an organized crime mafia also, just on the international scale.  Ruskie Pigmen have had a lot of money to launder over the years, and Donalditry was happy to sell them mansions they didn't even live in at inflated prices to keep his Real Estate Empire floating. 
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Money-laundering, pure and simple. Just like Bannon is quoted as saying in your "Fire and Fury" article, above. After serial bankruptcies, Trump needed money and the Russians needed their washed. Look, it's not me or you saying, "we get most of our financing from Russian banks," or "Our portfolio is made up of a disproportionate amount of Russian money," as did Uday and Qusay.

It's all part of the public record, which is what makes the denialbots so hard to understand.

There's absolutely no evidence out there that Trump colluded with the Russians except the Manafort thing, and the Flynn thing, and the Roger Stone thing, and the Cohen thing, and the Kushner thing, and the Carter Page thing, and the Jeff Sessions things, and the Wilbur Ross thing, and the JD Gordon thing, and the Erik Prince thing, and the James Comey firing thing, and the Russian hacking/Wikileaks thing, and the bro-love between TrumPutin thing, and the Russian propaganda machine favoring Trump thing, and the DJT "I have zero ties to Russia!" thing, and the Eric Trump "we get most of our financing from Russian banks thing", and the Donald Trump Jr. "Our portfolio is made up of a disproportionate amount of Russian money" thing, and the DJT "I sold a $60 million mansion to a Russian oligarch known for money laundering for $120 million that he never once lived in " thing, and the Trump business ties with Putin's favorite sports athlete Fedor Emilianenko thing, and the Trump International Corporation's mysterious private server connection to Alfa Bank, Russia's largest commercial bank thing, and the Special prosecutor being named thing, and the I won't release my tax returns thing, and the Ivanka Trump's vacationing with Putin's girlfriend thing, and the 2013 Miss Universe Pageant in Moscow thing, and the Trump companies business ties to Felix Sater, a criminal felon indicted for stock fraud scheme with the Russian mafia thing, and the FL Group Icelandic hedge fund with massive ties to Putin being heavily invested in Trump Soho thing, and the Rex Tillerson/Exxon ties to Russia thing, and the Russian ambassador at Trump Tower sneaking in and out thing, and the Trump tried to roll back Russian sanctions the minute he got elected thing, and, oh yes, the 13 Russian indictments thing.

Other than that, there's absolutely no reason to suspect anything.

I think it's fairly obvious that the Trump campaign knew the Russians liked him better than Clinton (why not, she was in the pocket of the USMIC, whose plans included an increasingly likely nuclear first strike on Russia, and constant military escalation in Russia's western leaning border states.)

And...they (at least some of them) were aware of the social media campaigns and hacking. It is NOT at all clear that it was some kind of deep conspiracy that was pre-planned. It looks to me more like opportunism.

I'd hazard that if we turned over enough rocks we'd discover that China also tried to influence the election, as did North Korea. American NSA spooks are probably way less adept at identifying election interference that's done in Mandarin or Korean and aimed at Americans for whom English is a second language.

Using social media to influence foreign elections is just a new way of doing what foreign operatives always do. It's no secret (at least among doomers) that foreign entities have poured millions in cash money into US elections for the last several elections cycles. That appears to be no big deal.
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Re: IS DONALD TRUMP A TRAITOR?
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2018, 10:39:19 AM »
Well, a traitor to what?  The Murikan way of life?  Certainly not that.  He may be a traitor to the delusion of Murika that a healthy portion of Murikans seem unwilling to disavow themselves from.  To me Dump is the perfect president for our current station in the collapse of this empire.  He's proof that we are on the verge of the shit hitting the fan.  Next the White House will probably burn to the ground. 

He's only a traitor if Murika actually is what it pretends to be...it's not what it pretends to be.  We are not free, or noble, or better then anybody else.  We just have most of the weapons and most of the global military and consequently most of the oil... and a lot of fast food. 

Dump is very simple to understand.  Dump is money grabbing pussies and bragging about his stupid hair piece.  He's a ridiculous human being, and one that a good majority of Murikans aspire to be.  Make no mistake, the Idiocracy has arrived and Dump is the president of it.  The Corporatocracy represents the original betrayal of Murikan values.  The MIC Ike warned about is the original traitor.  Dump is just the obvious result of the MIC turned Corporatocracy.  The only lines on the globe left are for regular people to believe in.  We have a global economy complete with a global caste system. 

Dump is not a traitor, he's business as usual. 

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Re: IS DONALD TRUMP A TRAITOR?
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2018, 10:53:15 AM »
Well, a traitor to what?  The Murikan way of life?  Certainly not that.  He may be a traitor to the delusion of Murika that a healthy portion of Murikans seem unwilling to disavow themselves from.  To me Dump is the perfect president for our current station in the collapse of this empire.  He's proof that we are on the verge of the shit hitting the fan.  Next the White House will probably burn to the ground. 

He's only a traitor if Murika actually is what it pretends to be...it's not what it pretends to be.  We are not free, or noble, or better then anybody else.  We just have most of the weapons and most of the global military and consequently most of the oil... and a lot of fast food. 

Dump is very simple to understand.  Dump is money grabbing pussies and bragging about his stupid hair piece.  He's a ridiculous human being, and one that a good majority of Murikans aspire to be.  Make no mistake, the Idiocracy has arrived and Dump is the president of it.  The Corporatocracy represents the original betrayal of Murikan values.  The MIC Ike warned about is the original traitor.  Dump is just the obvious result of the MIC turned Corporatocracy.  The only lines on the globe left are for regular people to believe in.  We have a global economy complete with a global caste system. 

Dump is not a traitor, he's business as usual.

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Re: IS DONALD TRUMP A TRAITOR?
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2018, 11:12:36 AM »
Dump is not a traitor, he's business as usual.

BAU=Traitor

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Re: IS DONALD TRUMP A TRAITOR?
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2018, 11:30:26 AM »
Dump is not a traitor, he's business as usual.

BAU=Traitor

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To what?  Murika?  BAU is Murika, at least now.  Once upon a time America stood for something, at least I bought the notion that it did.  It's possible that even that was a delusion. 

I'm starting to see all of history as nothing more then a pyramid of social hierarchy equalizing itself to new alphas.  The new alpha's making horrible decisions about how society should perpetuate itself, mostly for the benefit of the new alphas, and then those horrible decisions coming to fruition in the collapse of each individual civilization.  Politics is nothing more then how the caste at the top entertain themselves with drama, knowing full well that it's really always about the control of the rest of us who have no choice but to work in the system they set up for us.  It's a matter of survival in this human created matrix.  Nature represents a threat to the moneychangers because it represents autonomy for us.  So the attempt is made to complete dominate and control nature, but this is a fools errand that's fueled by hubris. 

Dump is all of that rolled up into one despicable person.  He's perfect! 

What blows my mind is how there's still a large portion of Murikans who defend Dump.  Rational people who defend him!!!  I've got friends who defend him.  WTF?!! I just don't get it.  Just look at some of his past, and how do you reconcile just some of his past with the notion that he's fit to be president?  Even a fake figure head president, if the lies to be believed at least.  The signal here is that the 1% is tired of hiding.  They want to come out of the closet and set us up in room 101 where we can be rightly assimilated into the role of feeding them grapes while we eat garlic...or soylent green. 

Dump may just be a bet that was made over brandy and cigars after a round of golf.  He's just the result of some tycoon bragging about how much influence he has and how easily controlled the masses are.  "Why, I bet I could even get Donald Dump elected," and poof, Dump is now POTUS. 

Still, I ask you RE, what is BAU a traitor of?  If BAU=Traitor, then what is BAU, because "traitor" has a clear definition. 
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Re: IS DONALD TRUMP A TRAITOR?
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2018, 12:07:28 PM »
As you can probably guess, I'm somewhat frustrated that DD has become a website for photographs of meals, art, and bikini babes, songs by Tony Bennett, ridiculous nonsense about boats, stupid votes about things that don't matter, and endless tripe about Trump - nothing to do with Doom any more. Its almost as if you are trying to make the site collapse.

That's fine if you are enjoying yourselves, I'll leave the five of you to it.

Hi Palloy, Criticism of my postings accepted. It is understandable how they appear to a serious Doom aficionado and allow me to assure you that causing such dismay on your part was not intended.

Folks like myself who spend years in an establishment develop bonds with the people we discuss ideas about on a daily basis for years. We become friends, enemies, admirers, detractors, form cliques, all sorts of normal behavior that a group brought together for an extended period would form.

In short we become interested in each other. Who we are. What we Like. What are our hobbies, main interests, favorite songs and artworks, musicians, they say so much about us and why we think the way we do. Personally, I find them very valuable in assessing the merits of Diner's postings, much as I do the source of an article.

As an example of what I am trying to convey, I read James Kunstler's material twice and make certain to reflect upon it and pass it on to others, because I know who he is, his ideas, likes, political and artistic tastes, love of local community ETC. I have even posted some of his paintings on the Diner.

Let me post the heading of the Art thread that I started years ago to further explain

 Diners, Starting a new topic in the hope it is a place where we can place fine art works that have a special meaning to us personally. Hopefully, a place where we can get to know each other and our special tastes without the friction that sometimes develops when using the written word.

No comments on the art work necessary, but an explanation of why it is something special to you would be welcome, only if desired.


Let me also assure you in closing Palloy that I get your messages about yourself, presented so deceptively and quietly in the background, loud and clear.

Your desire for praise and attention.

Your reference to your intelligence, you are a bright bulb by the way, feel better?

Your medical afflictions and struggle with them, glad to hear about the improvement.  :emthup:

Your frugality and your 20 year old shitbox Toyota.

Your love of nature and amazing habitat the rain forest.

Your prowess with computer technology and cyber security.

Your keen interest in war related material.

Your photographic skills, I have praised and posted your photos on my art thread.

See, what I mean Palloy???


                                           
     What the fuck does a photo of a tree have to do with Doom? You appear to be purposely destroying this place. There is important stuff going on in this world and you show a fucking tree on a summer day in the rain forest.

I come here to learn and be educated, not look at a photo album.    :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:  :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:

Palloy longs for a revolution, and it bothers him that some of us at the Diner indulge in decadent counter-revolutionary thoughts. Our lack of purity makes us unworthy of redemption. Bunch of idiots we are, dazzled by the toys and baubles of the rotting imperial society.

Or maybe we just get bored by a steady diet of bad news, and see no harm in a little mundane socializing among friends....and having discussions that aren't necessarily about the death of most humans and other species or the planet itself.

And...I expect Palloy might often be in pain, probably physical pain. It makes him grouchy.

To me, guys, life is just life. Doom is the stage I live on, but my life is still mine. I try to still squeeze a bit of enjoyment out of it. I don't have much of a social life in the real world. I do some socializing here, because you guys do get it, that we have doom as a constant overhang on our daily lives.  I enjoy knowing humans who are awake. There aren't that many.
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Re: IS DONALD TRUMP A TRAITOR?
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2018, 02:38:35 PM »
To me, guys, life is just life. Doom is the stage I live on, but my life is still mine. I try to still squeeze a bit of enjoyment out of it. I don't have much of a social life in the real world. I do some socializing here, because you guys do get it, that we have doom as a constant overhang on our daily lives.  I enjoy knowing humans who are awake. There aren't that many.

I think most of us if not all are similar in this respect.  I will tell you also these days I am glad the Diner didn't become a huge board like Zero Hedge or r/collapse, but just a few Doomers who know each other well.  Honestly besides Brian, the other Diners here are my only friends I have anymore as I finish my time walking the earth.

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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2018, 06:47:49 PM »
Still, I ask you RE, what is BAU a traitor of?  If BAU=Traitor, then what is BAU, because "traitor" has a clear definition.

BAU is counter to making Amerika a continuing and going concern.  So if you are a person who supports and promotes BAU, you're a TRAITOR.

That doesn't mean you are a traitor if you work to SURVIVE inside BAU, you have little to no choice there.  However, if you are a BILLIONAIRE PRESIDENT with the POWER to make make some real changes but don't do that and in fact make things WORSE, then you definitely fit the traitor category.

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Re: IS DONALD TRUMP A TRAITOR?
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2018, 05:05:46 PM »
To me, guys, life is just life. Doom is the stage I live on, but my life is still mine. I try to still squeeze a bit of enjoyment out of it. I don't have much of a social life in the real world. I do some socializing here, because you guys do get it, that we have doom as a constant overhang on our daily lives.  I enjoy knowing humans who are awake. There aren't that many.

I think most of us if not all are similar in this respect.  I will tell you also these days I am glad the Diner didn't become a huge board like Zero Hedge or r/collapse, but just a few Doomers who know each other well.  Honestly besides Brian, the other Diners here are my only friends I have anymore as I finish my time walking the earth.

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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2018, 05:08:39 PM »
To me, guys, life is just life. Doom is the stage I live on, but my life is still mine. I try to still squeeze a bit of enjoyment out of it. I don't have much of a social life in the real world. I do some socializing here, because you guys do get it, that we have doom as a constant overhang on our daily lives.  I enjoy knowing humans who are awake. There aren't that many.

I think most of us if not all are similar in this respect.  I will tell you also these days I am glad the Diner didn't become a huge board like Zero Hedge or r/collapse, but just a few Doomers who know each other well.  Honestly besides Brian, the other Diners here are my only friends I have anymore as I finish my time walking the earth.

Long Live the Doomstead Diner!

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Re: IS DONALD TRUMP A TRAITOR?
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2018, 05:15:49 PM »
Still, I ask you RE, what is BAU a traitor of?  If BAU=Traitor, then what is BAU, because "traitor" has a clear definition.

BAU is counter to making Amerika a continuing and going concern.  So if you are a person who supports and promotes BAU, you're a TRAITOR.

That doesn't mean you are a traitor if you work to SURVIVE inside BAU, you have little to no choice there.  However, if you are a BILLIONAIRE PRESIDENT with the POWER to make make some real changes but don't do that and in fact make things WORSE, then you definitely fit the traitor category.

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I think about 99% of all politicians everywhere are traitors to the human race.  But I've long been out in the open with the fact that I consider myself part of the human race.  That is, I don't care what country you come from.  I usually thoroughly enjoy foreigners more than Merikans because they are typically less stupid and more tolerant of others.  Usually they are more willing to consider other points of views than Merikans are.  It's unfortunate. 

But Dump, aside from being a despicable human, is most certainly a traitor to the well being of the human race as a whole.  All of the 1% are though.  They don't care about the people of the world.  They only care about themselves.  Somehow, it's the same with the average Murikan.  Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good Americans out there, and I run into them everyday all over the U.S.  It's just that the cold hard fact, in my experience, is that there are more intolerant, ignorant, and bigoted Murkicans out there than there are well rounded, tolerant, and pleasant. 

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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2018, 05:44:22 PM »
I think about 99% of all politicians everywhere are traitors to the human race.

That is basically true, anyone in politics is mainly in it to satisfy his /her own lust for power (and money, which goes along with the power).  The system selects for the absolutely worst people possible to be in charge of things.

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Re: IS DONALD TRUMP A TRAITOR?
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2018, 05:59:50 PM »
I think about 99% of all politicians everywhere are traitors to the human race.

The system selects for the absolutely worst people possible to be in charge of things.

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Right, that's because the lobbyist throw enough money at them.  The lobbyist turn even the most well intentioned politician into a shitbag for the money.  It takes one hell of a person to turn down millions of dollars, along with a handful of other perks, when all they have to do is sign a bill that will allow some corporation to dump their toxic waste into the water that's a 1000 miles away from said politicians home. 

Most people don't have the intestinal fortitude to turn down large amounts of money on account of idealism. 

Those that already have billions in the family, like JFK, get dealt with by the MIC and Corporatocracy CIA Jackals.  There is no stopping the Corporatocracy.  That died with JFK and MLK.  Ever since the writing has been on the wall for all to see, but nobody looks lest they have nightmares and take up arms against the domestic traitors that call the shots. 

It turns Druids into JIT Truckers.  I've got a wife and kids, and I've got little choice but to provide for them in the world that I inhabit.  The world I'd like to inhabit is a fiction that nobody has the luxury to care about. 
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