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« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2013, 08:42:12 PM »
Knife or gun?  Hmmmm.  Remember when I called you an "evil monster" ... and meant it?  Bring your BIGGEST gun.

Sure I remember.  It's the Internet though, and times do change and you learn more each day about what is really going down, and more about the people you chat with too.  I'm not the guy you perceived me to be at that time, I think you know that now.

I still do carry a Big Gun on the Internet though. Have Keyboard, Will Travel.

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« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2013, 08:48:36 PM »

BTW - How big? LOL


Stucky is 6'7" and has really big Moobs.  :icon_mrgreen:

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« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2013, 08:51:01 PM »
“The Pahhty is just beginning now.  This is Laurel & Hardy and Abott & Costello on Doom Steroids.  Trust me on this, when me & Stucky get rolling, Doom gets FUNNY!” -----RE

Don’t mean to hijack this thread with personal stories, but it’s my last post before I retire for the night.

I do try to see/use humor whenever I can.  It’s sometimes the only thing that keeps me sane. But, RE, my vitriol has greatly subsided over the years. You know this story.  After a couple months on TBP, Quinn called me a “neocon asshole”.  That is ALL he said.  I sent him a private email saying I was going to go to his house and kick his ass.  Really.  But, those were the days before I was filled anew daily with the love of the Holy Spirit.  Now, I hardly ever let the sun go down on my wrath.  I’m a pussy cat.  RE, I’m even starting to like your Potluck, Potlatch, whatever  theories. Anything is better than letting 7 million die.

WHD --- I’m 6’7”,  275lbs  (was 318 lbs last year … size double-A)

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« Reply #78 on: January 06, 2013, 08:56:01 PM »
"I'm not the guy you perceived me to be at that time, I think you know that now." -----RE

Yup! If I ever make it up to Alaska, I'm looking you up, like it or not.  Have a beer with you and some bear's ass, or whatever it is you people eat up there.   I think that would be a hoot.


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« Reply #79 on: January 06, 2013, 09:11:33 PM »
“The Pahhty is just beginning now.  This is Laurel & Hardy and Abott & Costello on Doom Steroids.  Trust me on this, when me & Stucky get rolling, Doom gets FUNNY!” -----RE

Don’t mean to hijack this thread with personal stories, but it’s my last post before I retire for the night.

I do try to see/use humor whenever I can.  It’s sometimes the only thing that keeps me sane. But, RE, my vitriol has greatly subsided over the years. You know this story.  After a couple months on TBP, Quinn called me a “neocon asshole”.  That is ALL he said.  I sent him a private email saying I was going to go to his house and kick his ass.  Really.  But, those were the days before I was filled anew daily with the love of the Holy Spirit.  Now, I hardly ever let the sun go down on my wrath.  I’m a pussy cat.  RE, I’m even starting to like your Potluck, Potlatch, whatever  theories. Anything is better than letting 7 million die.

WHD --- I’m 6’7”,  275lbs  (was 318 lbs last year … size double-A)

And that's the way it is.

That's big.

 No wonder you swear so much. It's the Holy Spirit! LOL

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« Reply #80 on: January 06, 2013, 11:11:38 PM »
“but how does Duane send his kids to Duke University so they can live the "Amerikan Dream" like he did?  Fill us in StuckenGenius on this one.” ------RE

First, it’s spelled with an ‘h’.  StuchenGenius and StuchenThumper.  Second, no one here has any idea what the hell you mean by that. Unlike Lord God Ashvin, my Biblical quotes have nothing to do with the spirit life … they are economic quotes. StuchenBlowMe.

Why are you asking me such EASY questions??  Here’s what Duane does: he lives according to his means … and if that means No Dookie edumacation for his silver spooned offspring then he should change his fucking expectations.

My dad has been here since 1958.  He has never owned a credit card.  He has no debit card. The ONLY loan he ever took out was the mortgage.  Yeah … even his new cars were paid for in cash. Here is a fuckin’ incredible formula;  (Banker Slave Avoidance = Save, Then Purchase).



Shakespeare Quotes
Neither a borrower nor a lender be

    Polonius:
    Neither a borrower nor a lender be,
    For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
    And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
    Hamlet Act 1, scene 3, 75–77

Old Polonius counsels his hotheaded son Laertes, who is about to embark for Paris for his gentleman's education [see THE PRIMROSE PATH]. While he still has the chance, Polonius wholesales a stockroom of aphorisms, the most famous of which is "Neither a borrower nor a lender be."

On Polonius's terms, there is little to argue with in his perhaps ungenerous advice. His logic is thus: lending money to friends is risky, because hitching debt onto personal relationships can cause resentment and, in the case of default, loses the lender both his money and his friend. Borrowing invites more private dangers: it supplants domestic thrift ("husbandry")—in Polonius's eyes, an important gentlemanly value.

Incidentally, in the days when Hamlet was first staged, borrowing was epidemic among the gentry, who sometimes neglected husbandry to the point where they were selling off their estates piece by piece to maintain an ostentatious lifestyle in London.               :icon_study:


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« Reply #81 on: January 06, 2013, 11:28:24 PM »
Here is a fuckin’ incredible formula;  (Banker Slave Avoidance = Save, Then Purchase).

Incredible indeed, because you can't save up for a Tuition that Inflates in cost faster than your income does.  WTF could save up $200K plus for a 4 year tuition for even ONE of their kids to go to Duke University and get a bullshit BA? Even if you are making $100K/year for the 18 years in between the birth of the child and entry to college you can;t save that much after taxes and living expenses, not to mention the medical insurance and bills and the new tires for the car....

So effectively what you are saying here is if you are J6P Middle Class, DOWNSIZE your ambition for your kid to at least have the same shot in life you did.  "I'm sorry son, I don't make enough money to send you to my Alma Mater of Duke University.  You can go Online and live in the Basement of our McMansion for 4 years and get a Degree from Kaplan Online University.  We can afford that."

Downward Mobility all the way under the StuchenDimwit Program!  LOL.   Ya can't afford College, don't take out a loan and don't go!  Work for 100 years flipping burgers at Mickey Ds, SAVE up enough, THEN go to College as a Centenarian!  LOL.

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I don't think Stuchenheimer quite gets the changing state of play, relative to the period his Dad and my Dad made their money. You can't even put your saved up cash in a savings account and cover inflation. In fact, unless you have REAMS of excess cash, it's no easy thing to invest in the Worlds Greatest Casino EVER - WS, and make enough to cover REAL inflation.
There is no way anyone except a bankster, sports or movie star can save to pay for and education for their kids today.

I hate to say anything good about the military, being a Libertarian it pains me to do so, but a few of my good friends received degrees from Harvard University and MIT through the GI Bill, which was utilized by many of the smart poor at the time, and some joined the service solely to get that valuable monetary benefit. Yes, I know shooting someone for an education sucks big time for sure, but most never saw combat and would have been drafted anyway.

 Guess it is possible to find something good anywhere if you look hard enough.

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« Reply #82 on: January 06, 2013, 11:31:21 PM »
OK, now that we have decent Mutual RESPECT for the varying opinions here on this topic, I am going to try to deal with some practical questions on the Education Problem.

A few good observations have been made here, for instance that maybe EVERYBODY shouldn't be going to College in the 1st Place?  Like if you have 1000 or under on your SAT, is Academia really the right place for you?  I went over the top and said you should have a Perfect Score of 1600 to get in, which of course was an exageration but meant to drive home a point.  At what level are you too STOOPID to deserve a chance at a sheepskin that is a ticket to Big Bucks?  Or at least it used to be anyhow.

Then there is the virtual impossibility of "Saving" for College and paying CASH for the Sheepskin, unless of course your Dad is a Pigman for whom the expense is Pocket Change and doesn't cost near what he spends on Hookers every year.

Then there is the Ethics of Banksters handing out these loans, when anybody with the LEAST bit of CFS can grasp that there is NO FUCKING WAY IN HELL most of them will ever be paid back. However,for the Bankster, long as Da Goobermint guarantees the loan, NO RISK!  Get the dimwit Student to sign on the dotted line and hand off the money, you charge 8% on the loan and you get the money from Da Fed at 2% (or less these days).

It is clearly all a scam, and clearly also skewed to serve the top tier of the society up and down the line.  Ya can't GET the big patycheck jobs without the right sheepskin from th right Universities, and you can't GO to those Unis unless either you come from Money big enough to pay for it (which obviously you yourself did not earn), or you take out the Mega Loans necessary to pay for it and go into Indentured Servitude.

Is there a SOLUTION to all this?  Not really under the current meme, but I do try to think about what might work at some indeterminate point in the future here.

First off, College isn't for everybody, but it shouldn't be Financial Means that is the arbiter of whether someone can go onward for further education.  Frankly, even High School isn't necessary for most people and most jobs in society even today.  However, if like in the Olden Days most people finished "school" by 6th Grade, this would mean you would have 13 year olds out there in the workforce competing for jobs.  Our society can't provide jobs for the 18+ crowd, so where will jobs come from for the 13 year olds here?

If we return to some type of Agrarian based economy, probably you could find "jobs" for the 13 year olds, Strapping a harness on 6 of them and using them to pull a Plow in place of Oxen we don;t have enough of to do this job, but man if you do that you really are going down the neo-feudal slave route, now aren't you?

I don't think people who really do not have an academic bent should be hanging out in school.  I taught school, and these kids don't want to be there and you couldn't drive knowledge into their skulls with a sledgehammer.  Waste of fucking time.

On the other hand, I don't see why just because you ARE smart that the degree and jobs you can get from that should pay any more than the jobs done by dummies.  It is JUST as necessary to have dummies mucking out the sewers for Health as it is to have Doctors in a society, in fact probably more important.  Why should sewer muckers be paid less than Doctors?

School should shrink down to just what is really necessary for the society to function, but the society should provide it for free to all qualified kids willing and able to learn on a competitive basis.

What will we do with the 6th Graders who aren't smart or motivated enough to do High School though?  From experience, I can estimate that it is at least half of them.  This is the toughest part of the problem.

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« Reply #83 on: January 06, 2013, 11:39:20 PM »

I’m starting to understand what Ashvin must feel.  You guys are gang-banging me.  My a-hole is starting to hurt. I don’t have a single supporter here?  I Am the Voice Crying in the Wilderness …. “Repent, Pay Up muthafuckers!”

Not just Watson.  Now you get a bit of a taste of what it was like for ME on TBP.

You TOUGH ENOUGH for it Stucky?  Can you answer all comers and never quit until the fucking Admin starts deleting your posting and rewriting it?  You're a New Jersey boy, not  boy from Hell's Kitchen in the Big Apple, so you probably are a Panty Waist.  We'll see.  LOL.

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See what it's like Stucky?

Only difference is you paint a bulls eye on your ass and stick it in air, poor Ashvin just sits quietly in the corner and answers questions that members put to him.  :laugh: ;D :D :laugh: :icon_mrgreen: :exp-grin: :exp-grin: ;D :pile:

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« Reply #84 on: January 07, 2013, 12:02:21 AM »
WHD

I was only kidding about feeling hurt. I’m a big guy – really big --- and I CAN take it. Lol And you, kind sir, certainly did not insult me.  Loving all the discussion here … lightweight banter compare to TBP.

I am a product of my upbringing. Aren’t we all?  Certain aspects I have rejected … others have stuck with me like stink on shit.  My dad believing that a debt is an obligation of a promise to repay is one that stuck.  He not only believed it, he lived it. He NEVER paid even one bill late in his entire life.  Quite a feat for a 90 year old man. In fact, the normal course of operations was/is to pay the bill the day it arrives in the mail.

You are not alone Stucky, my father was the EXACT same way and passed it on to me. Pretty hard to put nothing down on an expensive home and sign an adjustable rate mortgage when you are brought up that way. He is 93 and still here.

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« Reply #85 on: January 07, 2013, 12:21:25 AM »
Only difference is you paint a bulls eye on your ass and stick it in air, poor Ashvin just sits quietly in the corner and answers questions that members put to him.  :laugh: ;D :D :laugh: :icon_mrgreen: :exp-grin: :exp-grin: ;D :pile:

You are outta your fucking senile dementia riddled mind GO.  The minute Watson arrived here and painted himself as a World Class Expert on the Bible and Jesus Christ he painted a HUGE BULLSEYE on his forehead.  Sits quietly in a corner?  In a Pig's Eye.  He's nearly as fast a keyboardist as I am, and almost as smart as me too.  Just young and lacking in CFS.  LOL

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« Reply #86 on: January 07, 2013, 12:21:38 AM »
"I'm not the guy you perceived me to be at that time, I think you know that now." -----RE

Yup! If I ever make it up to Alaska, I'm looking you up, like it or not.  Have a beer with you and some bear's ass, or whatever it is you people eat up there.   I think that would be a hoot.

Now that's what I call a Laurel & Hardy Routine.  You are one funny bastard Stucky. ;D :icon_mrgreen: ;D :icon_mrgreen: :exp-grin:

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« Reply #87 on: January 07, 2013, 12:43:55 AM »
Be kind to the Aging Gold Bug.









OK, GO, bring on Alfred E. Newman.  :icon_mrgreen:

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« Reply #88 on: January 07, 2013, 12:47:01 AM »
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He's nearly as fast a keyboardist as I am, and almost as smart as me too

How could anyone be almost as smart as you, my most wise and learned Dungeon Master?

You must be trying to be nice to Ashvin because his jealous classmates have been so unkind to him. An endeavor worthy of much praise and exclamation, I applaud you in your goodness, kindness, majestic attempt to quietly correct a wrong.

I always surmised you had a heart of Pure Gold, "Almost as Smart as You" What graciousness you display dear Dungeon Master.  :emthup: :laugh: :icon_sunny: :icon_sunny:

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« Reply #89 on: January 07, 2013, 12:53:21 AM »
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He's nearly as fast a keyboardist as I am, and almost as smart as me too

How could anyone be almost as smart as you, my most wise and learned Dungeon Master?

It's tough, granted.  Watson does make a good effort at it though.  LOL.

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