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🐷 The Deadly Rule of the Oligarchs - Chris Hedges
« on: February 13, 2018, 03:15:47 AM »
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The Deadly Rule of the Oligarchs


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Oligarchic rule, as Aristotle pointed out, is a deviant form of government. Oligarchs care nothing for competency, intelligence, honesty, rationality, self-sacrifice or the common good. They pervert, deform and dismantle systems of power to serve their immediate interests, squandering the future for short-term personal gain. “The true forms of government, therefore, are those in which the one, or the few, or the many, govern with a view to the common interest; but governments that rule with a view to the private interest, whether of the one, of the few or of the many, are perversions,” Aristotle wrote. The classicist Peter L.P. Simpson calls these perversions the “sophistry of oligarchs,” meaning that once oligarchs take power, rational, prudent and thoughtful responses to social, economic and political problems are ignored to feed insatiable greed. The late stage of every civilization is characterized by the sophistry of oligarchs, who ravage the decaying carcass of the state.

These deviant forms of government are defined by common characteristics, most of which Aristotle understood. Oligarchs use power and ruling structures solely for personal advancement.

Oligarchs, though they speak of deconstructing the administrative state, actually increase deficits and the size and power of law enforcement and the military to protect their global business interests and ensure domestic social control. The parts of the state that serve the common good wither in the name of deregulation and austerity. The parts that promote the oligarchs’ power expand in the name of national security, economic growth and law and order.

For example, the oligarchs educate their children in private schools and buy them admissions into elite universities (this is how a mediocre student like Jared Kushner went to Harvard and Donald Trump went to the University of Pennsylvania), so they see no need to fund good public education for the wider population. Oligarchs can pay teams of high-priced lawyers to bail them and their families out of legal trouble. There is no need, in their eyes, to provide funds for legal representation for the poor. When oligarchs do not fly on private jets, they fly in first class, so they permit airlines to fleece and abuse “economy” passengers. They do not use subways, buses or trains, and they slash funds for the maintenance and improvement of these services. Oligarchs have private clinics and private doctors, so they do not want to pay for public health or Medicare. Oligarchs detest the press, which when it works shines a light on their corruption and mendacity, so they buy up and control systems of information and push their critics to the margins of society, something they will accelerate with the abolition of net neutrality.
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Oligarchs do not vacation on public beaches or in public parks. They own their own land and estates, where we are not allowed. They see no reason to maintain or fund public parks or protect public land. They hand such land over to other oligarchs to exploit for profit. Oligarchs cynically view laws as mechanisms to legalize their fraud and plunder. They use their lobbyists in the legislative branch of government to author bills that increase and protect their wealth, through the avoidance of taxes and other means. Oligarchs do not allow free and fair elections. They use gerrymandering and campaign contributions to make sure other oligarchs are elected over and over to office. Many run unopposed.

Oligarchs look at regulations to protect the environment or the safety of workers as impediments to profit and abolish them. Oligarchs move industries to Mexico or China to increase their wealth while impoverishing American workers and leaving U.S. cities in ruins. Oligarchs are philistines. They are deaf, dumb and blind to great works of art, reveling in tawdry spectacles, patriotic kitsch and mindless entertainment. They despise artists and intellectuals who promote virtues and self-criticism that conflict with the lust for power, celebrity and wealth. Oligarchs always unleash wars on culture, attacking it as elitist, irrelevant and immoral and cutting its funding. All social services and institutions, such as public housing programs, public parks, meals for the elderly, infrastructure projects, welfare and Social Security, are viewed by oligarchs as a waste of money. These services are gutted or turned over to fellow oligarchs, who harvest them for profit until they are destroyed.

Oligarchs, who do not serve in the military and who ensure their children do not serve in the military, pretend to be great patriots. They attack those who oppose them as anti-American, traitors or agents for a foreign power. They use the language of patriotism to stoke hatred against their critics and to justify their crimes. They see the world in black and white—those who are loyal to them and those who are the enemy. They extent this stunted belief system to foreign affairs. Diplomacy is abandoned for the crude threats and indiscriminate use of force that are the preferred forms of communication of all despots.

There is little dispute that we live in an oligarchic state. The wealthiest 1 percent of America’s families control 40 percent of the nation’s wealth, a statistic similar to what is seen globally: The wealthiest 1 percent of the world’s population owns more than half of the world’s wealth. This wealth translates into political power. The political scientists Martin Gilens of Princeton and Benjamin Page of Northwestern, after examining differences in public opinion across income groups on a wide variety of issues, concluded, “In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover … even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.”

Oligarchs accelerate social, political, cultural and economic collapse. The unchecked plunder leads to systems breakdown. The refusal to protect natural resources, or the economic engines that sustain the state, means that poverty becomes the norm and the natural world becomes a toxic wasteland. Basic institutions no longer work. Infrastructure is no longer reliable. Water, air and soil are poisoned. The population is left uneducated, untrained, impoverished, oppressed by organs of internal security and beset by despair. The state eventually goes bankrupt. Oligarchs respond to this steady deterioration by forcing workers to do more for less and launching self-destructive wars in the vain attempt to restore a lost golden age. They also insist, no matter how bad it gets, on maintaining their opulent and hedonistic lifestyles. They further tax the resources of the state, the ecosystem and the population with suicidal demands. They flee from the looming chaos into their gated compounds, modern versions of Versailles or the Forbidden City. They lose touch with reality. In the end, they are overthrown or destroy the state itself. There is no institution left in America that can be called democratic, and thus there is no internal mechanism to prevent a descent into barbarity.

“The political role of corporate power, the corruption of the political and representative processes by the lobbying industry, the expansion of executive power at the expense of constitutional limitations, and the degradation of political dialogue promoted by the media are the basics of the system, not excrescences upon it,” the political philosopher Sheldon Wolin wrote in “Democracy Incorporated: Managed Democracy and the Specter of Inverted Totalitarianism.” “The system would remain in place even if the Democratic Party attained a majority; and should that circumstance arise, the system will set tight limits to unwelcome changes, as if foreshadowed in the timidity of the current Democratic proposals for reform. In the last analysis, the much-lauded stability and conservatism of the American system owe nothing to lofty ideals, and everything to the irrefutable fact that it is shot through with corruption and awash in contributions primarily from wealthy and corporate donors. When a minimum of a million dollars is required of House candidates and elected judges, and when patriotism is for the draft-free to extol and for the ordinary citizen to serve, in such times it is a simple act of bad faith to claim that politics-as-we-now-know-it can miraculously cure the evils which are essential to its very existence.”

The longer we are ruled by oligarchs, the deadlier our predicament becomes, especially since the oligarchs refuse to address climate change, the greatest existential crisis to humankind. The oligarchs have many mechanisms, including wholesale surveillance, to keep us in check. They will stop at nothing to maintain the sophistry of their rule. History may not repeat itself, but it echoes. And if we don’t recognize these echoes and then revolt, we will be herded into the abattoirs that tyrannies set up at the end of their existence.
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Re: 🐷 The Deadly Rule of the Oligarchs - Chris Hedges
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2018, 05:50:39 AM »
How is it that we have a voice of truth this clear and powerful, and yet he gets damn little attention?

Because money you say?
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Re: 🐷 The Deadly Rule of the Oligarchs - Chris Hedges
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2018, 05:53:15 AM »
How is it that we have a voice of truth this clear and powerful, and yet he gets damn little attention?

Because money you say?

Same reason I get so little attention.  ::)

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Re: 🐷 The Deadly Rule of the Oligarchs - Chris Hedges
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2018, 06:15:06 AM »
How is it that we have a voice of truth this clear and powerful, and yet he gets damn little attention?

Because money you say?

An amazing Speaker and author. A true intellectual Giant.

His views and ability to articulate them are spellbinding.

He does much useful work and teaching of the prison population as well for which he gets no credit.

A great mind and voice with a limited audience, while one of these Hollywood scuzzballs or these fucking idiotic sport's idols blows a fart and the world has listen and smell it on MSM for days :icon_scratch: :-\ :-[

We have become a nation of shit heads IMO. I call them the Dim to be kind Eddie.   

                                         
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Re: 🐷 The Deadly Rule of the Oligarchs - Chris Hedges
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2018, 08:10:15 AM »
How is it that we have a voice of truth this clear and powerful, and yet he gets damn little attention?

Because money you say?

An amazing Speaker and author. A true intellectual Giant.

His views and ability to articulate them are spellbinding.

Of course.  He's a LEFTY!  :icon_sunny:

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Re: 🐷 The Deadly Rule of the Oligarchs - Chris Hedges
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2018, 12:00:08 PM »
I listened to one of his hour long talks it was somewhat depressing but refreshing in its honesty.
https://youtu.be/Ycuw9Cvh6W4
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Re: 🐷 The Deadly Rule of the Oligarchs - Chris Hedges
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2018, 01:08:17 PM »
How is it that we have a voice of truth this clear and powerful, and yet he gets damn little attention?

Because money you say?

An amazing Speaker and author. A true intellectual Giant.

His views and ability to articulate them are spellbinding.

Of course.  He's a LEFTY!  :icon_sunny:

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In your dreams perhaps.

Chris Hedges is a Christian Anarchist, self described.

Chris Hedges on Bernie Sanders and the Corporate Democrats




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Bernie Sanders is the only major party candidate for President who favors a single payer national health insurance system.

What’s not to like?

That was the question Ralph Nader asked Chris Hedges on the Ralph Nader Radio Hour.

“Bernie Sanders wants to break up the New York banks, he wants to impose a Wall Street transaction tax, he wants to regulate drug prices, he’s for full Medicare for all — everybody in, nobody out, free choice of doctor and hospital — he wants to get rid of these corporate tax havens, he’s pushing for a $15 dollar an hour minimum wage, he wants to stronger labor unions. What’s not to like?” Nader asked Hedges.

“Because he did it within the Democratic establishment,” Hedges said. “He’s lending credibility to a party that is completely corporatized. He has agreed that he will endorse the candidate, which, unless there is some miracle, will probably be Hillary Clinton.”

“So what he does is he takes all of that energy, he raises all of these legitimate issues and he funnels it back into a dead political system so that by April it’s over.”

“That was the role of Van Jones in the last election,” Hedges said. “He was running around, using the language of Occupy — Occupy the Vote — and that is what Bernie has done. I don’t understand. He fought the Democratic establishment in Vermont his entire career. Now he has sold out to it.”

“Bernie has also not confronted the military industrial complex at all,” Hedges said. “On a personal level, having spent seven years in the Middle East, I’m just not willing to forgive him for abandoning the Palestinians and giving carte blanche to Israel. He was one of 100 Senators who stood up like AIPAC wind up dolls and approved Israel’s 51-day slaughter last summer of Palestinians in Gaza — the Palestinians who have no army, no navy, artillery, mechanized units, command and control.”

Hedges, who was on the show to promote his new book Wages of Rebellion: The Moral Imperative of Revolt (Nation Books, 2015), said that we need independent political candidates.

“That’s why I was a strong supporter of your independent runs,” Hedges told Nader. “That’s why I voted for (Green Party Presidential candidate) Jill Stein in the last election. But they have to be outside the system. And we have to begin to build movements that are divorced from the Democratic and Republican parties. My fear is that by this time next year, Bernie Sanders is running around once again repeating this mantra of the least worst and stoking fears against whoever the Republican candidate is. And we’ve gone nowhere.”

“We’ve seen that routine before,” Nader said. “Unfortunately, Dennis Kucinich had to toe the line. He was done by April. They even kept him out of some of the debates. Yes, we have seen it before. They are done by April. And then they are forced into a loyalty oath to whoever wins the nomination. And of course, it’s invariably the corporate Democrats.”

Ralph Nader Radio Hour co-host Steve Skrovan asked Hedges what a liberal feeding frenzy within the Democratic Party would look like and why the Democratic Party was so afraid of a vigorous debate.

“Because the party is completely captive to corporate power,” Hedges said. “And Bernie has cut a Faustian deal with the Democrats. And that’s not even speculation. I did an event with him and Bill McKibben, Naomi Klein and Kshama Sawant in New York the day before the Climate March. And Kshama Sawant ,the Socialist City Councilwoman from Seattle and I asked Sanders why he wanted to run as a Democrat. And he said — because I don’t want to end up like Nader.”

“He didn’t want to end up pushed out of the establishment,” Hedges said. “He wanted to keep his committee chairmanships, he wanted to keep his Senate seat. And he knew the forms of retribution, punishment that would be visited upon him if he applied his critique to the Democratic establishment. So he won’t.”


“The lie of omission is still a lie,” Hedges said. “Bernie’s decision to play the game within the Democratic Party and in essence lend credibility to the party and lend credibility to Hillary Clinton is very destructive. A liberal feeding frenzy within the Democratic Party would see a rise of an actual liberal establishment  within the party  – I’m not sure one exists any more — that challenged the Party for selling out working men and women.”

Nader said that the retribution by the Democratic Party against their left is pretty harsh, “but not against their right.”

“Senator Joe Lieberman — he goes (in 2008) and he endorses McCain at the Republican National Convention against Obama and he comes back after Obama wins to Washington and they give him a major chair of a major Senate committee,” Nader said.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/15/chris-hedges-on-bernie-sanders-and-the-corporate-democrats/  :icon_study:

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Re: 🐷 The Deadly Rule of the Oligarchs - Chris Hedges
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2018, 01:25:22 PM »
He certainly seems to be a socialist, from what I read about his positions on most things. Frankly, I don't give a damn. He's a remarkable patriot and the kind of man we need to lead our country. Too bad guys like him are not the ones that get the attention of voters.
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Re: 🐷 The Deadly Rule of the Oligarchs - Chris Hedges
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2018, 04:44:15 PM »
How is it that we have a voice of truth this clear and powerful, and yet he gets damn little attention?

Because money you say?

Same reason I get so little attention.  ::)

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Re: 🐷 The Deadly Rule of the Oligarchs - Chris Hedges
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2018, 04:49:32 PM »
How is it that we have a voice of truth this clear and powerful, and yet he gets damn little attention?

Because money you say?

Chomsky observes that our media permit a vigorous debate between the center right and the far right. There is no left worthy of the name. Therefore, no audience for Hedges, and no audience for him,  Parenti, Umberto Eco, Bernard Lewis, et al.
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🐷 Why I am a Socialist - Chris Hedges
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2018, 08:06:12 PM »
He certainly seems to be a socialist, from what I read about his positions on most things. Frankly, I don't give a damn. He's a remarkable patriot and the kind of man we need to lead our country. Too bad guys like him are not the ones that get the attention of voters.

You don't have to guess on this.  CH identifies HIMSELF as a Socialist.  GO doesn't like socialists, so he couldn't like CH if he accepted that reality.

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https://www.truthdig.com/articles/why-i-am-a-socialist/

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The corporate forces that are looting the Treasury and have plunged us into a depression will not be contained by the two main political parties. The Democratic and Republican parties have become little more than squalid clubs of privilege and wealth, whores to money and corporate interests, hostage to a massive arms industry, and so adept at deception and self-delusion they no longer know truth from lies. We will either find our way out of this mess by embracing an uncompromising democratic socialism — one that will insist on massive government relief and work programs, the nationalization of electricity and gas companies, a universal, not-for-profit government health care program, the outlawing of hedge funds, a radical reduction of our bloated military budget and an end to imperial wars — or we will continue to be fleeced and impoverished by our bankrupt elite and shackled and chained by our surveillance state.

The free market and globalization, promised as the route to worldwide prosperity, have been exposed as a con game. But this does not mean our corporate masters will disappear. Totalitarianism, as George Orwell pointed out, is not so much an age of faith as an age of schizophrenia. “A society becomes totalitarian when its structure becomes flagrantly artificial,” Orwell wrote, “that is when its ruling class has lost its function but succeeds in clinging to power by force or fraud.” Force and fraud are all they have left. They will use both.

There is a political shift in Europe toward an open confrontation with the corporate state. Germany has seen a surge of support for Die Linke (The Left), a political grouping formed 18 months ago. It is co-led by the veteran socialist “Red” Oskar Lafontaine, who has built his career on attacking big business. Two-thirds of Germans in public opinion polls say they agree with all or some of Die Linke’s platform. The Socialist Party of the Netherlands is on the verge of overtaking the Labor Party as the main opposition party on the left. Greece, beset with street protests and violence by disaffected youths, has seen the rapid rise of the Coalition of the Radical Left. In Spain and Norway socialists are in power. Resurgence is not universal, especially in France and Britain, but the shifts toward socialism are significant.

Corporations have intruded into every facet of life. We eat corporate food. We buy corporate clothes. We drive corporate cars. We buy our vehicular fuel and our heating oil from corporations. We borrow from corporate banks. We invest our retirement savings with corporations. We are entertained, informed and branded by corporations. We work for corporations. The creation of a mercenary army, the privatization of public utilities and our disgusting for-profit health care system are all legacies of the corporate state. These corporations have no loyalty to America or the American worker. They are not tied to nation states. They are vampires.
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“By now the [commercial] revolution has deprived the mass of consumers of any independent access to the staples of life: clothing, shelter, food, even water,” Wendell Berry wrote in “The Unsettling of America.” “Air remains the only necessity that the average user can still get for himself, and the revolution had imposed a heavy tax on that by way of pollution. Commercial conquest is far more thorough and final than military defeat.”

The corporation is designed to make money without regard to human life, the social good or impact on the environment. Corporate laws impose a legal duty on corporate executives to make as much money as possible for shareholders, although many have moved on to fleece shareholders as well. In the 2003 documentary film “The Corporation” the management guru Peter Drucker says: “If you find an executive who wants to take on social responsibilities, fire him. Fast.”

A corporation that attempts to engage in social responsibility, that tries to pay workers a decent wage with benefits, that invests its profits to protect the environment and limit pollution, that gives consumers fair deals, can be sued by shareholders. Robert Monks, the investment manager, says in the film: “The corporation is an externalizing machine, in the same way that a shark is a killing machine. There isn’t any question of malevolence or of will. The enterprise has within it, and the shark has within it, those characteristics that enable it to do that for which it was designed.” Ray Anderson, the CEO of Interface Corp., the world’s largest commercial carpet manufacturer, calls the corporation a “present day instrument of destruction” because of its compulsion to “externalize any cost that an unwary or uncaring public will allow it to externalize.”

“The notion that we can take and take and take and take, waste and waste, without consequences, is driving the biosphere to destruction,” Anderson says.

In short, the film, based on Joel Bakan’s book “The Corporation: The Pathological Pursuit of Profit and Power,” asserts that the corporation exhibits many of the traits found in people clinically defined as psychopaths. Psychologist Dr. Robert Hare lists in the film psychopathic traits and ties them to the behavior of corporations:

    callous unconcern for the feelings for others;
    incapacity to maintain enduring relationships;
    reckless disregard for the safety of others;
    deceitfulness: repeated lying and conning others for profit;
    incapacity to experience guilt;
    failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behavior.

And yet, under the American legal system, corporations have the same legal rights as individuals. They give hundreds of millions of dollars to political candidates, fund the army of some 35,000 lobbyists in Washington and thousands more in state capitals to write corporate-friendly legislation, drain taxpayer funds and abolish government oversight. They saturate the airwaves, the Internet, newsprint and magazines with advertisements promoting their brands as the friendly face of the corporation. They have high-priced legal teams, millions of employees, skilled public relations firms and thousands of elected officials to ward off public intrusions into their affairs or halt messy lawsuits. They hold a near monopoly on all electronic and printed sources of information. A few media giants — AOL-Time Warner, General Electric, Viacom, Disney and Rupert Murdoch’s NewsGroup — control nearly everything we read, see and hear.

“Private capital tends to become concentrated in [a] few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of the smaller ones,” Albert Einstein wrote in 1949 in the Monthly Review in explaining why he was a socialist. “The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.”

Labor and left-wing activists, especially university students and well-heeled liberals, have failed to unite. This division, which is often based on social rather than economic differences, has long stymied concerted action against ruling elites. It has fractured the American left and rendered it impotent.

“Large sections of the middle class are being gradually proletarianized; but the important point is that they do not, at any rate not in the first generation, adopt a proletarian outlook,” Orwell wrote in 1937 during the last economic depression. “Here I am, for instance, with a bourgeois upbringing and a working-class income. Which class do I belong to? Economically I belong to the working class, but it is almost impossible for me to think of myself as anything but a member of the bourgeoisie. And supposing I had to take sides, whom should I side with, the upper class which is trying to squeeze me out of existence, or the working class whose manners are not my manners? It is probable that I, personally, in any important issue, would side with the working class. But what about the tens or hundreds of thousands of others who are in approximately the same position? And what about that far larger class, running into millions this time — the office-workers and black-coated employees of all kinds — whose traditions are less definite middle class but who would certainly not thank you if you called them proletarians? All of these people have the same interests and the same enemies as the working class. All are being robbed and bullied by the same system. Yet how many of them realize it? When the pinch came nearly all of them would side with their oppressors and against those who ought to be their allies. It is quite easy to imagine a working class crushed down to the worst depths of poverty and still remaining bitterly anti-working-class in sentiment; this being, of course, a ready-made Fascist party.”

Coalitions of environmental, anti-nuclear, anti-capitalist, sustainable-agriculture and anti-globalization forces have coalesced in Europe to form and support socialist parties. This has yet to happen in the United States. The left never rallied in significant numbers behind Cynthia McKinney or Ralph Nader. In picking the lesser of two evils, it threw its lot in with a Democratic Party that backs our imperial wars, empowers the national security state and does the bidding of corporations.

If Barack Obama does not end the flagrant theft of taxpayer funds by corporate slugs and the disgraceful abandonment of our working class, especially as foreclosures and unemployment mount, many in the country will turn in desperation to the far right embodied by groups such as Christian radicals. The failure by the left to offer a democratic socialist alternative will mean there will be, in the eyes of many embittered and struggling working- and middle-class Americans, no alternative but a perverted Christian fascism. The inability to articulate a viable socialism has been our gravest mistake. It will ensure, if this does not soon change, a ruthless totalitarian capitalism.
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2018, 04:15:30 AM »
He certainly seems to be a socialist, from what I read about his positions on most things. Frankly, I don't give a damn. He's a remarkable patriot and the kind of man we need to lead our country. Too bad guys like him are not the ones that get the attention of voters.

Yes Eddie, A label given by people who like to categorize people into  a few broadly encompassing groups to present their views that people are mostly the same and can be labeled for simple argumentative reasons.

Let me explain, GO is a Libertarian, that means to the label givers that I am on the right, certainly not the left. That is a fact of how the dim label

Now lets look at this Libertarian and some facts about him which he has published on the forum for years and are a matter of record.

He is a staunch supporter of Jimmy Carter and considers him the best President we have had in his lifetime with the only possible exception of General Eisenhower. He was always a kindly protective grandfather image to me in my youth.

GO considers the Bush family imbeciles with a genetic brain disorder in the entire family that makes them born assholes and having the same affliction on their deathbeds.

He considers Dick Cheney a fucking barbarian and disgrace to the civilized people of this planet.

He considers JFK, Hubert Humphrey, Adlai Stevenson, LBJ, Democrats that could be admired, real democrats before the Democratic party become a corrupted pile of shit, now known disparagingly by folks like me as Lefties, Clintons, Pelosi, Schummer, the worthless scuzzball Hollywood and MSM media swill that do their bidding.

GO thinks their as bad as the dog shit in the Republican Party, Bush, Ryan, McConnell, Sessions just to name a few of the lice. :'(

As for folks still alive in the political sphere, I admire Rand Paul, his father Ron Paul, Robert Reich, Ralph Nader, Mike Huckabee, Chris Hedges, Ross Perot was a real favorite of mine, what a good president he would have been.

GO is well versed in Financial matters and can tell you unequivocally that the Socialist idea of Social Security was the smartest thing  government ever did. The idea that the general public would have the brains and determination to save money for their old age is one of the most ridiculous ideas  one could ever bestow upon the dim.
Being in debt up to their balls and penniless being the realistic factual idea. Thank the Lord the Democrats got that one through or the streets would be littered with panhandlers and pup tents.

You get my drift I'm sure Eddie and could go on for hours. In short, may I suggest to you that Chris Hedges is as much a Lefty as I am a member of the Right.  Political Labels are very deceptive.

                                 


                                 


                                 

                                 

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Re: 🐷 The Deadly Rule of the Oligarchs - Chris Hedges
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2018, 04:33:37 AM »
You're the one who's always labeling people as "Lefties" and bashing them for it.

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Re: 🐷 The Deadly Rule of the Oligarchs - Chris Hedges
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2018, 05:27:34 AM »
He certainly seems to be a socialist, from what I read about his positions on most things. Frankly, I don't give a damn. He's a remarkable patriot and the kind of man we need to lead our country. Too bad guys like him are not the ones that get the attention of voters.

Yes Eddie, A label given by people who like to categorize people into  a few broadly encompassing groups to present their views that people are mostly the same and can be labeled for simple argumentative reasons.

Let me explain, GO is a Libertarian, that means to the label givers that I am on the right, certainly not the left. That is a fact of how the dim label

Now lets look at this Libertarian and some facts about him which he has published on the forum for years and are a matter of record.

He is a staunch supporter of Jimmy Carter and considers him the best President we have had in his lifetime with the only possible exception of General Eisenhower. He was always a kindly protective grandfather image to me in my youth.

GO considers the Bush family imbeciles with a genetic brain disorder in the entire family that makes them born assholes and having the same affliction on their deathbeds.

He considers Dick Cheney a fucking barbarian and disgrace to the civilized people of this planet.

He considers JFK, Hubert Humphrey, Adlai Stevenson, LBJ, Democrats that could be admired, real democrats before the Democratic party become a corrupted pile of shit, now known disparagingly by folks like me as Lefties, Clintons, Pelosi, Schummer, the worthless scuzzball Hollywood and MSM media swill that do their bidding.

GO thinks their as bad as the dog shit in the Republican Party, Bush, Ryan, McConnell, Sessions just to name a few of the lice. :'(

As for folks still alive in the political sphere, I admire Rand Paul, his father Ron Paul, Robert Reich, Ralph Nader, Mike Huckabee, Chris Hedges, Ross Perot was a real favorite of mine, what a good president he would have been.

GO is well versed in Financial matters and can tell you unequivocally that the Socialist idea of Social Security was the smartest thing  government ever did. The idea that the general public would have the brains and determination to save money for their old age is one of the most ridiculous ideas  one could ever bestow upon the dim.
Being in debt up to their balls and penniless being the realistic factual idea. Thank the Lord the Democrats got that one through or the streets would be littered with panhandlers and pup tents.

You get my drift I'm sure Eddie and could go on for hours. In short, may I suggest to you that Chris Hedges is as much a Lefty as I am a member of the Right.  Political Labels are very deceptive.

                                 


                                 


                                 

                                 

I'm a libertarian myself, at least by disposition. I come from a long line of poor people who were way too proud to ever take a handout, even during the Great Depression. My mother once worked for $2 a week, and when my parents were married,  their honeymoon consisted of a trip to West Texas to pick cotton. All my people ever wanted was a chance to make a decent living and to be left alone by the government.

The world sure has changed. I'm not one to call anybody names. You're okay by me, GO. Not that far from me. I'm not a fan of Mike Huckabee or Robert Reich, and Ross Perot reminded me too much of Robert McNamara. A number cruncher without much understanding of common people.

The rest of your list I do admire myself. I also personally thought a lot of Bill Buckley. He was a fine sailor who wrote some excellent books about that subject.
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Re: 🐷 The Deadly Rule of the Oligarchs - Chris Hedges
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2018, 05:38:19 AM »
I'm a libertarian myself, at least by disposition.

I'm a neo tribalist , at least by disposition.  Until we have a significant dieoff though, neo-tribalism is impractical.  Meanwhile, I'm a COMMUNIST.  BOLSHEVIK.  TROTSKYITE.  Better Red than Dead.


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