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GOP SENATOR SAYS TRUMP IS READY TO START WAR WITH NORTH KOREA
« on: February 21, 2018, 09:16:52 AM »
GOP SENATOR SAYS TRUMP IS READY TO START WAR WITH NORTH KOREA THAT WOULD BE “ONE OF THE WORST CATASTROPHIC EVENTS IN HISTORY”

WASHINGTON, DC - NOVEMBER 28: Small Business and Entrepreneurship Committee Chairman James Risch (R-ID) (C) joins Small Business Administration Administrator Linda McMahon, fellow GOP senators and representatives from small business interest organizations to rally for their tax reform legislation in the Mansfield Room at the U.S. Capitol November 28, 2017 in Washington, DC. Republicans in the Senate hope to pass their tax cut legislation this week and work with the House of Representatives to get a bill to President Donald Trump before Christmas. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)


February 21 2018, 11:43 a.m.

IT DIDN’T GET much notice, but Sen. Jim Risch made extremely alarming remarks on Sunday at the Munich Security Conference in which he said President Donald Trump is prepared to start a “very, very brief” war with North Korea that would be “one of the worst catastrophic events in the history of our civilization.” Trump would go to these extraordinary lengths, the Idaho Republican said, in order to prevent the government of Kim Jong-un from developing the capacity to deliver a nuclear warhead to the U.S. via an intercontinental ballistic missile.

Kim claimed in his 2018 New Year’s address that North Korea can already strike all of the U.S. with nuclear weapons. While U.S. intelligence does not believe this is currently true, CIA director Mike Pompeo stated recently that North Korea may be able to hit at least some of the U.S. mainland in a “handful of months.”

Risch will likely become chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations if the GOP maintains control of the Senate and the current chair, Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., retires. Risch said he and Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, R.-N.H. — who was sitting next to him on stage at the conference in Germany — had “drilled down with the administration” on its North Korea policy. Risch emphasized that the Trump administration was not bluffing.

If Risch is correct, Trump is willing to cause “mass casualties the likes of which the planet has never seen” in a conflict with North Korea rather than rely on principles of deterrence that have prevented nuclear war between the U.S. and Russia and the U.S. and China for many decades.

Risch’s claims are congruent with Trump’s own statements, including that North Korea will face “fire and fury like the world has never seen” if it threatens the United States. Trump’s national security advisor H.R. McMaster recently said that “We’re not committed to a peaceful [resolution], we’re committed to a resolution. … We have to be prepared if necessary to compel the denuclearization of North Korea without the cooperation of that regime.” Last August, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., spoke of how “There is a military option to destroy North Korea’s program and North Korea itself.”

None of Risch’s remarks addressed the fact that the U.S. Constitution gives Congress, rather than the President, the power to declare war.

These are Risch’s most disturbing words, with video below:

RISCH: There is no more dangerous place on the earth than the Korean peninsula right now. …

The president of the United States has said, and he is committed to, seeing that Kim Jong-un is not able to marry together a delivery system with a nuclear weapon that he can deliver to the United States. …

The consequences of that are breathtaking when you think about how this could happen. …

If this thing starts, it’s going to be probably one of the one of the worst catastrophic events in the history of our civilization. It is going to be very, very brief. The end of it is going to see mass casualties the likes of which the planet has never seen. It will be of biblical proportions. …

The president can do this quickly, and as I said, it is at his fingertips.

Risch’s statement can be see in full here, starting at 11:00, or read below:

RISCH: Turning to North Korea, the answer I’m going to give is really quite easy to give, although the message is pretty dire. And that is that this is a really dangerous situation that we’re facing right now on the Korea peninsula. I would argue that there is no, from a mass casualty standpoint, that there is no more dangerous place on the earth than the Korean peninsula right now.

This is all in the hands and the minds of a single person. And that of course is Kim Jong-un. What he does, what he decides to do, is going to be decisive of how this matter resolves. And it is not going to resolve well if he continues on the course that he is continuing on.

The president of the United States has said, and he is committed to, seeing that Kim Jong-un is not able to marry together a delivery system with a nuclear weapon that he can deliver to the United States. He has said that very clearly. That is, our president has said that very clearly. And anyone who doubts the president’s commitment to see that that doesn’t happen does so really at their own peril.

The consequences of that are breathtaking when you think about how this could happen. There is no “bloody nose” policy. Senator Shaheen and I drilled down with the administration on that, and nobody knows where that came from. It appeared in the national media, the administration says they’ve never used the term, they’ve never considered the strategy, there is no such thing.

And if you think about it, it absolutely makes sense. If this thing starts, it’s going to be probably one of the one of the worst catastrophic events in the history of our civilization. It is going to be very, very brief. The end of it is going to see mass casualties the likes of which the planet has never seen. It will be of biblical proportions.

Anyone who doubts that this president isn’t committed to that, I would suggest that they step back, take a breath, listen to what he has said, review the facts on the ground. This president has at his fingertips the ability to dispense what he has said he’s going to dispense, if the North Korean regime, if Kim Jong-un, that he is, uh, the president can do this quickly, and as I said, it is at his fingertips.

I respect any opinion that any of you may have regarding what’s happened, what should happen, where it’s going to go, but please, please, don’t ignore the facts that are there.

Risch’s most significant words on North Korea were first reported by Tom Wright of the Brookings Institution.

Top photo: Small Business and Entrepreneurship Committee Chairman James Risch (R-ID) (C) joins fellow GOP senators and representatives from small business interest organizations to rally for their tax reform legislation in the Mansfield Room at the U.S. Capitol November 28, 2017 in Washington, DC.

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Re: GOP SENATOR SAYS TRUMP IS READY TO START WAR WITH NORTH KOREA
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2018, 09:34:20 AM »
On the plus side, gold and silver should appreciate a whole lot! LOL!

I can see NK getting licks in with biological weapons launched from international waters just off the US coast. Smallpox is just as bad a way to die as radiation, or getting blown to bits.
                       
They have all kinds of low tech nasty shit they can throw at us or South Korea. Nerve gas, biologicals, who knows what else.
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Re: GOP SENATOR SAYS TRUMP IS READY TO START WAR WITH NORTH KOREA
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2018, 09:40:32 AM »
On the plus side, gold and silver should appreciate a whole lot! LOL!

I can see NK getting licks in with biological weapons launched from international waters just off the US coast. Smallpox is just as bad a way to die as radiation, or getting blown to bits.
                       
They have all kinds of low tech nasty shit they can throw at us or South Korea. Nerve gas, biologicals, who knows what else.

As long as they fire their weapons at CA, I am OK with it.  Just no missiles lobbed north of Vancouver.

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Re: GOP SENATOR SAYS TRUMP IS READY TO START WAR WITH NORTH KOREA
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2018, 09:46:45 AM »
On the plus side, gold and silver should appreciate a whole lot! LOL!

I can see NK getting licks in with biological weapons launched from international waters just off the US coast. Smallpox is just as bad a way to die as radiation, or getting blown to bits.
                       
They have all kinds of low tech nasty shit they can throw at us or South Korea. Nerve gas, biologicals, who knows what else.

As long as they fire their weapons at CA, I am OK with it.  Just no missiles lobbed north of Vancouver.

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I'd be willing to bet the nine million resident of Seoul have a somewhat different take.
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Re: GOP SENATOR SAYS TRUMP IS READY TO START WAR WITH NORTH KOREA
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2018, 09:48:55 AM »
On the plus side, gold and silver should appreciate a whole lot! LOL!

I can see NK getting licks in with biological weapons launched from international waters just off the US coast. Smallpox is just as bad a way to die as radiation, or getting blown to bits.
                       
They have all kinds of low tech nasty shit they can throw at us or South Korea. Nerve gas, biologicals, who knows what else.

As long as they fire their weapons at CA, I am OK with it.  Just no missiles lobbed north of Vancouver.

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I'd be willing to bet the nine million resident of Seoul have a somewhat different take.

No doubt.  However, they chose the wrong spot to be born, that is not my fault.  :P

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Re: GOP SENATOR SAYS TRUMP IS READY TO START WAR WITH NORTH KOREA
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2018, 03:05:54 PM »
The US military doesn't have a rock solid defense against ICBMs, the most likely defense would be GMD-based anti-missile missiles in AK fired at the incoming ICBM aiming to intercept just above the atmosphere. I would expect a real retaliatory strike would aim to explode above the atmosphere of AK for the EMP effect.  Given the GMD system only has a 50% hit rate (it isn't designed to target the fast-moving ICBMs) they would use 4 interceptors per ICBM, giving a 6.25% chance of one getting through.  NK would be using maybe 4 ICBMs simultaneously so the chances of getting EMPed would be 25%.

For a US first strike, the aim would be to try to hit all the storage tunnels/launch sites with cruise missiles, but they don't have a very good idea of how many there are, or where they all are, so the chances of getting them all is low.  Either way, the rest of the NK military would be ready to unleash a torrent of missiles and shells on SK, so it won't be painless and SK would never permit it.  Thus if Trump does the attack it would end the SK alliance permanently.

That means that, rationally, it will never happen, but then Trump isn't very rational.  Of course he might order it and the military might refuse to do it.  Everyone would then be struggling to keep the insurrection under wraps to minimize the embarrassment.

We should also consider what Russia and China would do, Russia's Pacific naval base at Vladivostok is only 138 Km north of the border and that must have the very best defenses around it.  Would they try and intercept the cruise missiles?  Or would they attack the aircraft carrier groups or the B-1/2 bombers?  China claims to have a radar-defeating system to annul the South Korean THAAD radars, but those wouldn't be needed in this instance.  Would they attack SK from the sea to the south? Or would they invade the post-nuclear NK to prevent an invasion? - most likely yes, hence with all these uncertainties, this makes the whole first strike operation unlikely, for a rational President.
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Re: GOP SENATOR SAYS TRUMP IS READY TO START WAR WITH NORTH KOREA
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2018, 03:25:02 PM »
The US military doesn't have a rock solid defense against ICBMs, the most likely defense would be GMD-based anti-missile missiles in AK fired at the incoming ICBM aiming to intercept just above the atmosphere. I would expect a real retaliatory strike would aim to explode above the atmosphere of AK for the EMP effect.  Given the GMD system only has a 50% hit rate (it isn't designed to target the fast-moving ICBMs) they would use 4 interceptors per ICBM, giving a 6.25% chance of one getting through.  NK would be using maybe 4 ICBMs simultaneously so the chances of getting EMPed would be 25%.

For a US first strike, the aim would be to try to hit all the storage tunnels/launch sites with cruise missiles, but they don't have a very good idea of how many there are, or where they all are, so the chances of getting them all is low.  Either way, the rest of the NK military would be ready to unleash a torrent of missiles and shells on SK, so it won't be painless and SK would never permit it.  Thus if Trump does the attack it would end the SK alliance permanently.

That means that, rationally, it will never happen, but then Trump isn't very rational.  Of course he might order it and the military might refuse to do it.  Everyone would then be struggling to keep the insurrection under wraps to minimize the embarrassment.

We should also consider what Russia and China would do, Russia's Pacific naval base at Vladivostok is only 138 Km north of the border and that must have the very best defenses around it.  Would they try and intercept the cruise missiles?  Or would they attack the aircraft carrier groups or the B-1/2 bombers?  China claims to have a radar-defeating system to annul the South Korean THAAD radars, but those wouldn't be needed in this instance.  Would they attack SK from the sea to the south? Or would they invade the post-nuclear NK to prevent an invasion? - most likely yes, hence with all these uncertainties, this makes the whole first strike operation unlikely, for a rational President.

Trying to work this one out with any kind of sane and logical thinking is a losing proposition.

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Re: GOP SENATOR SAYS TRUMP IS READY TO START WAR WITH NORTH KOREA
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2018, 05:51:31 PM »

I'd be willing to bet the nine million resident of Seoul have a somewhat different take.

No doubt.  However, they chose the wrong spot to be born, that is not my fault.  :P

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Revealing a positively Trumpian level of empathy. Only Trump has his IQ monogram on his cuffs.

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