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Re: The Korea thread
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2018, 07:08:33 PM »
https://www.rt.com/usa/426606-us-gurantees-kim-stay-power/
US will promise N. Korea's Kim Jong-un it will not seek regime change – Pompeo
14 May, 2018

The US will have to assure North Korea it won't seek to undermine its leader Kim Jong-un, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has implied. That comes after years of slamming him as a dictator and squeezing his country with sanctions.

With less than a month left before the hugely-anticipated talks between US President Donald Trump and North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un in Singapore, the US top diplomat has indicated that any deal paving the way for a nuclear-free Korean peninsula will have to include certain US safeguards allowing Kim to stay in power.

"We will have to provide security assurances to be sure. This has been the trade-off that has been pending for 25 years," Pompeo told 'Fox News Sunday.' Pompeo was speaking to Fox's Chris Wallace just a few days after he returned to the US from his second meeting with Kim, during which they were supposed to thrash out the details of the Trump-Kim summit on June, 12.

The upcoming talks are being hailed as a monumental personal success by Donald Trump, who, just months ago, berated Kim as a "mad man" and as a "rocket man on a suicide mission," threatened him with "fire and fury" and boasted about having a bigger nuclear button. Now, the Trump administration is using the negotiations as a way of saying it's better than the previous ones.

"No president has ever put America in a position where the North Korean leadership thought that this was truly possible that the Americans would actually do this, would lead to the place where America was no longer held at risk by the North Korean regime," Pompeo said.

As for Kim being a "dictator" and "oppressor" with a poor human rights record – apparently, the safety of the US eclipses that.

"Look, we'll have to see how the negotiations proceed. But make no mistake about it: America's interest here is preventing the risk that North Korea will launch a nuclear weapon into L.A. or Denver or to the very place we are sitting here this morning, Chris," Pompeo said.

If the negotiation proves to be a success, North Korea can see private American companies flooding its market, helping to develop its power grid and providing food supplies "so they [North Koreans] can eat meat and have healthy lives." However, he dismissed the possibility that the US taxpayers' money could be involved in the program.

Speaking about the impression the North Korean strongman made on him during their meetings, Pompeo described Kim as always up to date with the agenda and an apt negotiator.

"The conversations are professional. He knows -- he knows his brief, he knows what he is trying to achieve for the North Korean people," Pompeo said, noting that Kim is also keeping tabs on the Western media and "will probably watch the show at some point."

Hinting that the times when a full-blown war of words was raging between Trump and Kim are long forgotten, Pompeo said that neither he nor Kim touched on the "little rocket man" remark by Trump or any other less-than-graceful characteristics given to Kim by the US leader before.

The tone of Trump's rhetoric towards Kim has shifted dramatically over the past several months. Following the landmark summit between Kim and South Korean President Moon Jae-in in late April, Trump has heaped praise on the North Korea leader, raising some eyebrows.

During a meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron last month, Trump called Kim "very open and very honorable."

Following North Korea's pledge to dismantle its nuclear test site and allow foreign journalists, including ones from the US, to oversee the process, Trump thanked him for what he called "a very smart and gracious gesture."
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Re: The Korea thread
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2018, 06:37:23 AM »
During a meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron last month, Trump called Kim "very open and very honorable."

One thing that's clearly a mistake is to assume anything Trump says means anything about anything. He has no principles, no morals, no allegiance to anyone but himself.

And......no agenda beyond wanting to be perceived as a Big Kahuna, avoiding paying for his past crimes, and benefiting financially from his power. He's willing to change his tune on anything the moment it becomes expedient.
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2018, 03:09:13 PM »
Talk about crass, unprofessional diplomatic skills.  With everything going so cooperatively, they STILL expect to go ahead with the "practice invading NK and killing Kim" exercises, which of course are "only defensive".

https://www.rt.com/news/426827-north-korea-threaten-talks-trump/
North Korea cancels talks with South, threatens to call off US talks over military drills
15 May, 2018

North Korea has canceled a summit with South Korea and has threatened to call off a summit between US President Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un over American military drills with South Korea, according to South Korean media reports.

Pyongyang has canceled talks with Seoul due to ongoing Max Thunder military exercises between the South and the US, Yonhap news agency cited North Korean media. The drills have been described by the North as a rehearsal for invasion of the DPRK and a provocation amid warming inter-Korean ties.

AFP reported that North Korea has also threatened to scrap the highly-anticipated summit between US President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un. The meeting is scheduled for June 12 in Singapore.

The news comes as a blow after the historic talks between the leaders of two Koreas in April and the meeting between Kim and US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. Pompeo said Sunday that any deal paving the way for a nuclear-free Korean peninsula will have to include certain US safeguards, and reassurance that Kim won’t become a target of yet another regime change attempt.

Pyongyang had scheduled the dismantling of its nuclear bomb test site to take place between May 23-25, North Korean media reported on Saturday.

Reports that the talks have been suspended come just hours after Seoul and Pyongyang agreed on Tuesday to hold high-level inter-Korea talks on May 16. The leaders were planning to discuss steps needed to follow the plan of the peninsula's denuclearization.

Wednesday’s now suspended talks were to include a 29-strong delegation from North Korea led by Ri Son-gwon, chairman of the 'Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the country' along with a five-member South Korean delegation, led by Unification Minister Cho Myoung-gyon.

The Max Thunder 18 drills are one of a number of joint military drills carried out by South Korea and the US in the Korean peninsula. North Korea has long viewed these drills as a show of aggression towards Pyongyang.

The two-week Max Thunder 18 air drills kicked off on Friday, with over 100 planes taking part, including F-22 fighters and B-52 bombers, Yonhap reported last week.
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Re: The Korea thread
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2018, 08:25:07 PM »
Finally I've got hold of the Panmunjeom Declaration

Section 2 and subsection 2.(1) says:
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https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/04/27/national/politics-diplomacy/full-text-panmunjom-declaration
Panmunjeom Declaration for Peace, Prosperity and Unification of the Korean Peninsula

2. South and North Korea will make joint efforts to alleviate the acute military tension and practically eliminate the danger of war on the Korean Peninsula. Alleviating the military tension and eliminating the danger of war is a highly significant challenge directly linked to the fate of the Korean people and also a vital task in guaranteeing their peaceful and stable lives.

(1) South and North Korea agreed to completely cease all hostile acts against each other in every domain, including land, air and sea, that are the source of military tension and conflict. In this vein, the two sides agreed to transform the demilitarized zone into a peace zone in a genuine sense by ceasing as of May 1 this year all hostile acts and eliminating their means, including broadcasting through loudspeakers and distribution of leaflets, in the areas along the Military Demarcation Line.

So the South Koreans have definitely broken that with their SK-US military exercises.  Couldn't they at least have postponed them until after the NK-US talks have happened?

The only type of solution that would be acceptable to Kim is the Russian-Chinese one of both sides standing down, which the US has rejected out of hand.  It follows that the Russian-Chinese policy will be to defend North Korea against the US threats, as they have implied via Global Times.  This would involve shooting down US warplanes with S-500s, sinking US warships with supersonic anti-ship crusise missiles, and taking our the THAAD installations, particularly the radar components.  They would only do that so long as they were also prepared for WW3 and had their best planes and radars and missiles in the best locations for war, that is, actually in North Korea, or on the border with motors running.
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2018, 08:44:13 PM »
Finally I've got hold of the Panmunjeom Declaration

Section 2 and subsection 2.(1) says:
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https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/04/27/national/politics-diplomacy/full-text-panmunjom-declaration
Panmunjeom Declaration for Peace, Prosperity and Unification of the Korean Peninsula

2. South and North Korea will make joint efforts to alleviate the acute military tension and practically eliminate the danger of war on the Korean Peninsula. Alleviating the military tension and eliminating the danger of war is a highly significant challenge directly linked to the fate of the Korean people and also a vital task in guaranteeing their peaceful and stable lives.

(1) South and North Korea agreed to completely cease all hostile acts against each other in every domain, including land, air and sea, that are the source of military tension and conflict. In this vein, the two sides agreed to transform the demilitarized zone into a peace zone in a genuine sense by ceasing as of May 1 this year all hostile acts and eliminating their means, including broadcasting through loudspeakers and distribution of leaflets, in the areas along the Military Demarcation Line.

So the South Koreans have definitely broken that with their SK-US military exercises.  Couldn't they at least have postponed them until after the NK-US talks have happened?

The only type of solution that would be acceptable to Kim is the Russian-Chinese one of both sides standing down, which the US has rejected out of hand.  It follows that the Russian-Chinese policy will be to defend North Korea against the US threats, as they have implied via Global Times.  This would involve shooting down US warplanes with S-500s, sinking US warships with supersonic anti-ship crusise missiles, and taking our the THAAD installations, particularly the radar components.  They would only do that so long as they were also prepared for WW3 and had their best planes and radars and missiles in the best locations for war, that is, actually in North Korea, or on the border with motors running.

So when is your latest prediction for the first Thermonucflear ICBM to be fired off?

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Re: The Korea thread
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2018, 09:22:19 PM »
Finally I've got hold of the Panmunjeom Declaration

Section 2 and subsection 2.(1) says:
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https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/04/27/national/politics-diplomacy/full-text-panmunjom-declaration
Panmunjeom Declaration for Peace, Prosperity and Unification of the Korean Peninsula

2. South and North Korea will make joint efforts to alleviate the acute military tension and practically eliminate the danger of war on the Korean Peninsula. Alleviating the military tension and eliminating the danger of war is a highly significant challenge directly linked to the fate of the Korean people and also a vital task in guaranteeing their peaceful and stable lives.

(1) South and North Korea agreed to completely cease all hostile acts against each other in every domain, including land, air and sea, that are the source of military tension and conflict. In this vein, the two sides agreed to transform the demilitarized zone into a peace zone in a genuine sense by ceasing as of May 1 this year all hostile acts and eliminating their means, including broadcasting through loudspeakers and distribution of leaflets, in the areas along the Military Demarcation Line.

So the South Koreans have definitely broken that with their SK-US military exercises.  Couldn't they at least have postponed them until after the NK-US talks have happened?

The only type of solution that would be acceptable to Kim is the Russian-Chinese one of both sides standing down, which the US has rejected out of hand.  It follows that the Russian-Chinese policy will be to defend North Korea against the US threats, as they have implied via Global Times.  This would involve shooting down US warplanes with S-500s, sinking US warships with supersonic anti-ship crusise missiles, and taking our the THAAD installations, particularly the radar components.  They would only do that so long as they were also prepared for WW3 and had their best planes and radars and missiles in the best locations for war, that is, actually in North Korea, or on the border with motors running.

So when is your latest prediction for the first Thermonucflear ICBM to be fired off?

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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2018, 09:25:31 PM »
Finally I've got hold of the Panmunjeom Declaration

Section 2 and subsection 2.(1) says:
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https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/04/27/national/politics-diplomacy/full-text-panmunjom-declaration
Panmunjeom Declaration for Peace, Prosperity and Unification of the Korean Peninsula

2. South and North Korea will make joint efforts to alleviate the acute military tension and practically eliminate the danger of war on the Korean Peninsula. Alleviating the military tension and eliminating the danger of war is a highly significant challenge directly linked to the fate of the Korean people and also a vital task in guaranteeing their peaceful and stable lives.

(1) South and North Korea agreed to completely cease all hostile acts against each other in every domain, including land, air and sea, that are the source of military tension and conflict. In this vein, the two sides agreed to transform the demilitarized zone into a peace zone in a genuine sense by ceasing as of May 1 this year all hostile acts and eliminating their means, including broadcasting through loudspeakers and distribution of leaflets, in the areas along the Military Demarcation Line.

So the South Koreans have definitely broken that with their SK-US military exercises.  Couldn't they at least have postponed them until after the NK-US talks have happened?

The only type of solution that would be acceptable to Kim is the Russian-Chinese one of both sides standing down, which the US has rejected out of hand.  It follows that the Russian-Chinese policy will be to defend North Korea against the US threats, as they have implied via Global Times.  This would involve shooting down US warplanes with S-500s, sinking US warships with supersonic anti-ship crusise missiles, and taking our the THAAD installations, particularly the radar components.  They would only do that so long as they were also prepared for WW3 and had their best planes and radars and missiles in the best locations for war, that is, actually in North Korea, or on the border with motors running.

So when is your latest prediction for the first Thermonucflear ICBM to be fired off?

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I suspect Trump or Israel will do it soon. Buduptupt

Can you give me "soon" in terms of months, weeks or days?  I won't hold you to an hours and minutes level of prediction.

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Re: The Korea thread
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2018, 09:30:44 PM »
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RE: So when is your latest prediction for the first Thermonucflear ICBM to be fired off?

Within one month of the US-NK summit breaking down in discord.
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2018, 09:49:05 PM »
https://www.rt.com/news/426847-pyongyang-reconsider-kim-trump/
N. Korea may reconsider Trump-Kim summit if US seeks surrender instead of talks
16 May, 2018

Pyongyang is not interested in any negotiations that envisage only unilateral denuclearization without guarantees North Korea won’t be left totally defenseless like Libya in case of aggression, deputy foreign minister has said.

Criticizing Washington’s demands for unilateral concessions and unconditional “nuclear abandonment,” North Korea’s first vice minister of foreign affairs Kim Kye-gwan recalled the eventual fate of Libya and said such negotiations style is unacceptable for Pyongyang.

“This is not an attempt to solve the problem through dialogue but rather the manifestation ...to force the destiny of the collapsed Libya and Iraq to our dignified state,” Kim said, according to KCNA.

    Seoul ‘regrets’ its drills with US forced Pyongyang to cancel intra-Korean talks https://t.co/Pmh30boM22pic.twitter.com/LQhcSVEcDy
    — RT (@RT_com) May 16, 2018

The US invaded Iraq in 2003, claiming Baghdad possessed weapons of mass destruction. No such weapons were ever found. That same year, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi offered to shut down the country's nuclear weapons research. Libyan nuclear materials were transferred to the US. In 2011, however, the US and its NATO allies backed an armed rebellion that overthrew and killed Gaddafi and plunged Libya into chaos.

“I doubt whether the United States really wants sound dialogue and negotiation,” Kim added, again noting that “the world is so well aware that our country is not Libya or Iraq.”

Denouncing the ongoing “sanctions pressure offensive” against the North, he accused Washington of misrepresenting North Korea’s “generosity and bold measures as an expression of weakness.”

Last week, as a sign of goodwill, North Korea went on to release three Americans detainees accused of espionage – Kim Hak-song, Kim Sang-duk and Kim Dong Chul – removing one of the main obstacles ahead of the June 12 summit in Singapore. In another peaceful gesture, the North pledged to place a moratorium on nuclear and missile testing and in the spirit of transparency invited foreign journalists to watch the nuclear test site shutdown, scheduled for May 23-25.

“We will not be interested in talks anymore if (they) only try to push us unilaterally into a corner and force us to give up nukes,” he said. “It would be inevitable to reconsider whether to respond to the upcoming summit with the US.”

Deputy FM’s remarks came a day after Pyongyang’s decision to cancel negotiations triggered by Max Thunder 2018 military exercises between the South and the US, which are viewed by the North as a rehearsal for the invasion of the DPRK and a provocation amid warming inter-Korean ties.

This training is aimed at .. and is a deliberate challenge to the Panmunjom declaration and is a deliberate military provocation,” KCNA wrote on Wednesday. “This training... reflects the unchanging attitude of the US and South Korea to continue 'maximum pressure and sanctions' against us.”

Washington however still aims to hold the Trump-Kim meeting as planned and has defended the right to conduct drills with its Asian ally.

“We have not heard anything from that government or the Government of South Korea to indicate that we would not continue conducting these exercises or that we would not continue planning for our meeting between President Trump and Kim Jong-un next month,” State Department's spokesperson Heather Nauert told reporters on Tuesday.

“I will say that Kim Jong-un had said previously that he understands the need and the utility of the United States and the Republic of Korea continuing in its joint exercises. They’re exercises that are legal; they’re planned well, well in advance,” she added.
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Re: The Korea thread
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2018, 10:03:50 PM »
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Within one month of the US-NK summit breaking down in discord.

What week do you expect the US-NK Summit to breakdown in Discord?

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Re: The Korea thread
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2018, 10:35:24 PM »
Probably in a week, so June 19.  Does it matter?
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2018, 02:04:19 AM »
Probably in a week, so June 19.  Does it matter?

Got a reminder programmed in my smart phone, THX!!!  :icon_sunny:

Yes it matters.  If nuclear fallout is raining down on my digs on June 19th, you are elevated to the status of greatest Nostradamus of all time.

In the more likely event that your prediction fails to come true like so many before it, you lose whatever creditibility you have left, which is close to Zero already.  You have been making "Sky is Falling" predictions for at least the last year, with Armageddon Day always about a week or two away.  Somehow these days come and go, and we are all still here chewing the fat on the Doomstead Diner.  If you Cry Wolf every day but the Wolf never shows up, eventually people stop believing you.  Then when the Wolf really shows up, nobody listens to you either.  Jim Kunstler made this mistake for years, now nobody believes him when he makes a prediction.  Dr. McStinksion is also rapidly approaching JimmyK in failed predictions.  You make more of them than either of these guys, but the only people who know about it are readers of the Diner Forum, which doesn't exactly have a huge circulation, so only a few people know how magnificently you fail every month making a new Prediction of Doom.


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Re: The Korea thread
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2018, 06:57:51 AM »
If the summit starts on Jun12 it may end in discord on June 19.  There is then a month for the US to get its ships into position to attack, so I am talking about July 19.  Get it right.

And if I get it wrong, you won't believe me any more - so what's new, you don't believe me now.  But if I get it right, you will be nuked out of existence, and all YOUR supposed expert knowledge of collapse events will be shown to have been crap.

The fact is, the summit is bound to fail because Trump will not back down and withdraw his troops, because he would look weak, and Kim will not denuclearise for anything less.  THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO EXCEPT WAR.

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You have been making "Sky is Falling" predictions for at least the last year, with Armageddon Day always about a week or two away.

No I haven't.  Copy and paste them all, if you can find any, with the dates on them.
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2018, 07:28:55 AM »
Kim is posturing, enjoying his 15 minutes of fame on the world stage. He will do what China tells him to do ultimately. Without China, his nuke program is bupkus.

If he launches anything, I'd be more worried about biologicals. Or maybe a stealth EMP blast. Either would be more effective than an ICBM.

This is really a standoff between the US and China. Kim is the man in the middle. Like Quaadafi. Like Erdogan wants to be.

Xi is calling the shots here. Fortunately, he has a lot more sense than Trump or Kim, and more unilateral power to act. I expect him to exert some influence here.

Bolton is a dangerous, power-mad idiot. Trump is an idiot.  Anything could happen. It's a very dangerous world.

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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2018, 09:55:10 AM »
so I am talking about July 19.

I have updated my alarm setting on my smart phone to July 19th for TEOTWAWKI Day. ::)

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