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Re: A Window into the Thinking & Experience of the Millenial Doomer
« Reply #90 on: March 10, 2018, 11:15:40 AM »
I never had any wish to bring every dumbass millenial whiner up to a better standard of living, kicking and screaming. It is as you rightly point out, statistically impossible.

I just want to help a few who are willing to take the necessary steps. I want to point out the weaknesses in the system that are there to be exploited. I want to show them how to beat BAU, even thought the deck is stacked against them. I am persuaded a few will figure it out.

 Surly's daughter is on her way. Two of my daughters definitely are too. Even teacher daughter has managed to buy a house on her eager salary. I didn't give her money for that. The jury is still out on the boy child, but he is showing signs of getting his own art ancillary business going, as a framer and seller of canvases to painters. He has already got a wood-working shop up and going in his Chicago digs, while he works when he can on commercial art gigs with Crate and Barrel.

And...it's not completely about success or failure. It's about how important it is to take action, win or lose, as opposed to passively observing as life passes you by. By taking action, it changes you forever.
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« Reply #91 on: March 10, 2018, 11:22:29 AM »
I never had any wish to bring every dumbass millenial whiner up to a better standard of living, kicking and screaming. It is as you rightly point out, statistically impossible.

I just want to help a few who are willing to take the necessary steps. I want to point out the weaknesses in the system that are there to be exploited. I want to show them how to beat BAU, even thought the deck is stacked against them. I am persuaded a few will figure it out.

 Surly's daughter is on her way. Two of my daughters definitely are too. Even teacher daughter has managed to buy a house on her eager salary. I didn't give her money for that. The jury is still out on the boy child, but he is showing signs of getting his own art ancillary business going, as a framer and seller of canvases to painters. He has already got a wood-working shop up and going in his Chicago digs, while he works when he can on commercial art gigs with Crate and Barrel.

And...it's not completely about success or failure. It's about how important it is to take action, win or lose, as opposed to passively observing as life passes you by. By taking action, it changes you forever.

Surly's daughter and your kids have the tremendous advantage of having fathers who helped them out plenty along the way.  Besides that, your model of just helping a tiny percentage of people to become RICH🤑 is nauseating🤮.  It doesn't solve the fundamental problem of inequity of wealth distribution which plagues the society.

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Re: A Window into the Thinking & Experience of the Millenial Doomer
« Reply #92 on: March 10, 2018, 11:37:49 AM »
I never had any wish to bring every dumbass millenial whiner up to a better standard of living, kicking and screaming. It is as you rightly point out, statistically impossible.

I just want to help a few who are willing to take the necessary steps. I want to point out the weaknesses in the system that are there to be exploited. I want to show them how to beat BAU, even thought the deck is stacked against them. I am persuaded a few will figure it out.

 Surly's daughter is on her way. Two of my daughters definitely are too. Even teacher daughter has managed to buy a house on her eager salary. I didn't give her money for that. The jury is still out on the boy child, but he is showing signs of getting his own art ancillary business going, as a framer and seller of canvases to painters. He has already got a wood-working shop up and going in his Chicago digs, while he works when he can on commercial art gigs with Crate and Barrel.

And...it's not completely about success or failure. It's about how important it is to take action, win or lose, as opposed to passively observing as life passes you by. By taking action, it changes you forever.

Surly's daughter and your kids have the tremendous advantage of having fathers who helped them out plenty along the way.  Besides that, your model of just helping a tiny percentage of people to become RICH🤑 is nauseating🤮.  It doesn't solve the fundamental problem of inequity of wealth distribution which plagues the society.

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I don't give a flying fuck about remaking society. That's way above my pay grade. If helping a few smart ones is nauseating to you, so be it. I'm not trying to make anyone rich. Just help regualr people live out their lives a little better.
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Re: A Window into the Thinking & Experience of the Millenial Doomer
« Reply #93 on: March 10, 2018, 11:40:35 AM »
I never had any wish to bring every dumbass millenial whiner up to a better standard of living, kicking and screaming. It is as you rightly point out, statistically impossible.

I just want to help a few who are willing to take the necessary steps. I want to point out the weaknesses in the system that are there to be exploited. I want to show them how to beat BAU, even thought the deck is stacked against them. I am persuaded a few will figure it out.

 Surly's daughter is on her way. Two of my daughters definitely are too. Even teacher daughter has managed to buy a house on her eager salary. I didn't give her money for that. The jury is still out on the boy child, but he is showing signs of getting his own art ancillary business going, as a framer and seller of canvases to painters. He has already got a wood-working shop up and going in his Chicago digs, while he works when he can on commercial art gigs with Crate and Barrel.

And...it's not completely about success or failure. It's about how important it is to take action, win or lose, as opposed to passively observing as life passes you by. By taking action, it changes you forever.

Surly's daughter and your kids have the tremendous advantage of having fathers who helped them out plenty along the way.  Besides that, your model of just helping a tiny percentage of people to become RICH🤑 is nauseating🤮.  It doesn't solve the fundamental problem of inequity of wealth distribution which plagues the society.

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I don't give a flying fuck about remaking society. That's way above my pay grade. If helping a few smart ones is nauseating to you, so be it. I'm not trying to make anyone rich. Just help regualr people live out their lives a little better.

It's not above my pay grade.  We have different goals here.  You wish to maintain the dichotomy of rich people and poor people through the model of the rich sieving money off the backs of the poor.  I wish to resolve that problem.

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Re: A Window into the Thinking & Experience of the Millenial Doomer
« Reply #94 on: March 10, 2018, 11:47:10 AM »
I wish to help individuals, which appears to me to be a reasonable goal. Remaking society at this point is wasted effort. It'll all change soon enough.
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« Reply #95 on: March 10, 2018, 11:51:57 AM »
I wish to help individuals, which appears to me to be a reasonable goal. Remaking society at this point is wasted effort. It'll all change soon enough.

Remaking society is not a wasted effort.  You need a new model for after SHTF Day.  You only think inside the box of BAU.  I think about how to set things up after the inevitable crash comes.  That is the difference between us.  You are a short term thinker, I am a long term thinker.

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Re: A Window into the Thinking & Experience of the Millenial Doomer
« Reply #96 on: March 10, 2018, 11:56:34 AM »
I think it's premature to put much effort into post-collapse politics. It'll take care of itself, in the fullness of time. If there's much left to organize, at that point.
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« Reply #97 on: March 10, 2018, 12:04:31 PM »
I think it's premature to put much effort into post-collapse politics. It'll take care of itself, in the fullness of time. If there's much left to organize, at that point.

I disagree.  The time is NOW to figure this out, BEFORE SHTF Day arrives.  After SHTFD. we won't have the Internet to build the model with.

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Re: A Window into the Thinking & Experience of the Millenial Doomer
« Reply #98 on: March 10, 2018, 02:21:17 PM »
Remaking society at this point is wasted effort. It'll all change soon enough.

Ain't that the truth!

I completely agree with you here.  Idealism (remaking society) was what held me back for so long.  Idealism is for 20 year olds, and I think by 30 a mature individual will have given up on it, at least where society is concerned.  But I'm only 38.  It just feels to me like I wasted most of my 30's on idealism.  Had I realized this earlier I would have made better decisions and been better off at this point. 

All is not lost.  I'm definitely on the upswing now.

Far as opportunity goes, presently the trucking industry is ripe with it.  Anyone can make 50k a year so long as they have a clean driving record for the past 5 years.  O/O's are making 200k a year.  I met a guy today who drives 400 miles a day and clears $800 a day.  I aim to get that money soon.  I just need to finish out my contract with my current company.  I've already got companies trying to get me to break my contract and come over to them.  I've got 5 months of solo otr experience right now, and I've got an offer for 54 cents per mile (I'm currently getting 41) with a 10k sign on bonus. 

However, I've just about concluded that i'd be wasting my time since I can go o/o and make triple my current income.  Anyone willing, with a clean driving record, can do the same...and they are. 

Of course this will all come crashing down at some point, but when that happens it's game over for our society. 

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« Reply #99 on: March 10, 2018, 04:31:18 PM »
Of course this will all come crashing down at some point, but when that happens it's game over for our society.

It doesn't have to come "crashing down" to go broke as an O/O.  All that needs to happen is for freight to slow down enough so you can't make your truck payment.  As I said, this is what happened after 9/11.  Probably half the other O/O s I knew went tits up.  The only guys who made it through were guys like me with really low expenses (no rent, no mortgage, no car payment, no wife, no kids) or guys who had already paid off their truck or guys with fat savings accounts to ride out the storm.

Nobody makes $200K as an O/O, anyone who says they do is lying.  Ask them to show you their tax return.  You can gross near that, but your expenses cut way into it.  The only way to make $200K is to drive with your wife as partners or to run a second truck with an employee driver.

You're still an idealist, just now you have transferred your idealism into trucking and how you will make lots of money as a driver.  ::)

Another piece of advice I am sure you won't take.  Don't go O/O until you have at least 25% of the purchase price for the truck in savings.  "No money down" offers from the fleets are a suckers game.  I only risked it because I had saved more than 30% of the purchase price and JB Hunt was offering a great deal on their trucks at the time to reduce the fleet size, plus I drove that truck straight off the production line and knew it was a good one.  You get a lemon and you are totally fucked.

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« Reply #100 on: March 10, 2018, 05:31:24 PM »
Another lively thread on r/collapse.  Hasn't made it to #1 on the Collapse Hit Parade, but the commentary is quite revealing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/83hgv9/this_is_serious_the_collapse_of_men_in_america/

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Re: A Window into the Thinking & Experience of the Millenial Doomer
« Reply #101 on: March 10, 2018, 06:22:04 PM »
Men and women are different - men have more testosterone and that makes them more boisterous in the classroom, more likely to play violent, shoot-em-up video games, more drunken fighting, more drug-taking, more car-racing, more mass shootings.  If this "if it moves, shoot it" training may be good for making soldiers, but not good for society at large. 

Trace chemicals in the water could also affect men differently to women.  More analysis is needed, but since it would involve expensive cleaning up of the water and couldn't be charged to chemical pollution, it will not get funding.
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« Reply #102 on: March 10, 2018, 06:47:08 PM »
Trace chemicals in the water could also affect men differently to women.  More analysis is needed, but since it would involve expensive cleaning up of the water and couldn't be charged to chemical pollution, it will not get funding.

Of course it won't get funding.  Even if you assume that cleaning up the water would reduce the number of Shoot-em-Ups, it's an ENORMOUS expense on the national level.  Who is going to pick up the tab for that one?  Besides, I don't think it is primarily a chemical problem, it's much more a sociological phenomenon.  The majority of men cannot AFFORD to take on a wife and kids and support them, so they become frustrated and many strike out.  The alternative is to become a Monk, but most men (especially younger ones) can't control their sexual urge enough to be able to make that choice.  They marry and have kids even though they can't really afford them.  It's a Wicked Problem.


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Another lively debate starting off on r/collapse on Capitalism vs Communism/Socialism and the Millenial take on this.  Has made it to #1 on the r/Collapse Hit Parade in 2 hours.  This one should generate quite a few comments over the next day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/83pq5i/50_percent_of_todays_american_millennials_view/

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Another lively debate starting off on r/collapse on Capitalism vs Communism/Socialism and the Millenial take on this.  Has made it to #1 on the r/Collapse Hit Parade in 2 hours.  This one should generate quite a few comments over the next day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/83pq5i/50_percent_of_todays_american_millennials_view/

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r/collapse mods pitched this one to the Great Beyond.  :(  I am attempting to get a justification from them why they did this.  It had GREAT potential!

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