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« Reply #105 on: May 17, 2018, 08:27:51 AM »
I knew it wouldn't be easy to load my pigs in a trailer. I only got three adults in there, for the first trip to the auction sale. I caught a bunch of piglets by hand and tossed them over the top.

I was not prepared for the way the big ones fought to the death to go anywhere except into the trailer. I learned that the loading chute should have no visible exits. The went for the gates, which were of the galvanized 3/4 inch tubing variety they sell at Tractor Supply, and tried to dive between the bars.

They bent the gates up and basically knocked them right off the hinges, which turned out to be the weakest point. And they were stout gates I installed myself, the right way.

I tried to let my two Heelers help, but they lack the training that comes with watching older dogs do what needs to be done. In stead of putting the pigs in the trailer, THEY got in the trailer. Very obedient. LOL.

Monday I have to try again. I am going to starve the pigs for an extra day and bait the trailer with corn and try to trap them.

It sucked watching the animals I raised experience the terror of the load-out experience. And then I got almost nothing for the stock at the sale, which was expected. I wasn't even sure they'd take them. The hired hand in the intake area didn't recognize the breed and thought I was trying to sell feral pigs, which is not allowed. I had to educate him and he had to call his boss. It's a long ass drive with the trailer.

Not the way I was hoping my pig raising experience would go, but I learned a lot. If I can't get them in the trailer, I'll see if I can give some away. If they'e free, I expect I'll have no trouble finding people to load them themselves.

You should butcher them and we can sell them on the Diner like Omaha Steaks does .


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« Reply #106 on: May 17, 2018, 08:49:34 AM »
I knew it wouldn't be easy to load my pigs in a trailer. I only got three adults in there, for the first trip to the auction sale. I caught a bunch of piglets by hand and tossed them over the top.

I was not prepared for the way the big ones fought to the death to go anywhere except into the trailer. I learned that the loading chute should have no visible exits. The went for the gates, which were of the galvanized 3/4 inch tubing variety they sell at Tractor Supply, and tried to dive between the bars.

They bent the gates up and basically knocked them right off the hinges, which turned out to be the weakest point. And they were stout gates I installed myself, the right way.

I tried to let my two Heelers help, but they lack the training that comes with watching older dogs do what needs to be done. In stead of putting the pigs in the trailer, THEY got in the trailer. Very obedient. LOL.

Monday I have to try again. I am going to starve the pigs for an extra day and bait the trailer with corn and try to trap them.

It sucked watching the animals I raised experience the terror of the load-out experience. And then I got almost nothing for the stock at the sale, which was expected. I wasn't even sure they'd take them. The hired hand in the intake area didn't recognize the breed and thought I was trying to sell feral pigs, which is not allowed. I had to educate him and he had to call his boss. It's a long ass drive with the trailer.

Not the way I was hoping my pig raising experience would go, but I learned a lot. If I can't get them in the trailer, I'll see if I can give some away. If they'e free, I expect I'll have no trouble finding people to load them themselves.

Eddie, between you and C5...

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All this hands on relationship completely changes the relationship. It had always been, I pop this guy in the fall and he goes in the freezer. Then that day came when he plopped down onto my feet and rolled over to have his belly scratched, exposing himself in the same way my dogs would. The second time he did it…I went, “You Bastard. You are going to fuck me up. How can I shoot you?” Now that was always the intention. He was always food and had a time limit. I am “Survivalist enough” that I could shoot and eat my dogs if I had too…but doing so would hurt my soul and I would have to carry that. I carry too much already. Now the pig trusts and loves me as if he were one of my dogs. I can do it if I have to…but don’t ask me to. I need a friend that is not invested emotionally in him to pop him for me. I can handle the rest. I just can’t handle betraying him. This is a common problem for pig farmers. Because of this, a common practice is to trade pigs with another farmer. Killing and eating a pig is fine. Killing and eating the one you became emotionally involved with can be difficult.

I have learned more about pigs than I ever knew, not being a son of the soil.

What an adventure...

This is clearly a challenging gig, because the pigs are so smart. No wonder so many of the younger generation are becoming vegetarians.
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« Reply #107 on: May 17, 2018, 03:07:42 PM »
I knew it wouldn't be easy to load my pigs in a trailer. 

Not the way I was hoping my pig raising experience would go, but I learned a lot. If I can't get them in the trailer, I'll see if I can give some away. If they'e free, I expect I'll have no trouble finding people to load them themselves.

Eddie, between you and C5...


I have learned more about pigs than I ever knew, not being a son of the soil.

What an adventure...

This is clearly a challenging gig, because the pigs are so smart. No wonder so many of the younger generation are becoming vegetarians.

Re snuck this post up on me. I have an interview with Farmgal coming up soon.
Eddie, I didnt want to say nuttin... but I thought this was about to come up... and I figured I should just hang in the background. I remember this part.

A small part of this is that they dont know an electic fence isnt still in the way. Ild take the fence down and they still wouldnt leave the enclosure.

Surly, alot a vegetarians are in for a rude awakening when they figure out their Quimoa is shipped in from Peru and the deisle necessary for any quantity of grains can only be replaced by...It cant be replaced. Their will be alot of involuntary vegetarians. Their will probably be some cannibalism as well. I hear Vegans taste better. I wonder what wine goes with that. Probably requires a pressure cooker though like roosters and old hens. Even they are smart enough not to be vegetarian.

Believe it or not , MrsC5 wants pigs again, inspite of our trauma. We just need to find a breed much smaller and more manageable. And only enough for us. This small farm idea for profit is bullshit. That is a subject bubbling under the surface that should come out once someone is brave enough to say it out loud. I know some saying it in the shadows

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« Reply #108 on: May 17, 2018, 03:19:21 PM »
I know some saying it in the shadows

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« Reply #109 on: May 17, 2018, 03:48:15 PM »

Surly, alot a vegetarians are in for a rude awakening when they figure out their Quimoa is shipped in from Peru and the deisle necessary for any quantity of grains can only be replaced by...It cant be replaced. Their will be alot of involuntary vegetarians. Their will probably be some cannibalism as well. I hear Vegans taste better. I wonder what wine goes with that. Probably requires a pressure cooker though like roosters and old hens. Even they are smart enough not to be vegetarian.

C5, "The 'long pig that speaks,' when the drums beat till dawn and wild dances maddened the blood" is a Marquesan delicacy that has also been enjoyed at many times and by many tribes. And if you regard Cormac McCarthy's "The road" as likely prophecy, it may well be again.

Vegetarians will be a better choice, since our position on top of the food chain leads to the absorption of harmful chemicals, heavy metals, pesticides and variant forms of Republican policy ideas. As to wine, not sure whether long pig is red meat or white. Perhaps deferring to expertise, we should choose a chianti when we get to the liver.



But then I might be mistaken.

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But forget your notions about enjoying a man's liver with a nice chianti, says wine connaisseur Chris McGurn:

"I would personally avoid this, as the Chianti might be a little too light for the fattiness of the liver," he told The Huffington Post. "A Barolo would be a much better choice of Italian wine."

I'll handle the marketing: "Long Pig: It's Not Just for the Donner Party Anymore."
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« Reply #110 on: May 17, 2018, 04:00:19 PM »
I knew it wouldn't be easy to load my pigs in a trailer. 

Not the way I was hoping my pig raising experience would go, but I learned a lot. If I can't get them in the trailer, I'll see if I can give some away. If they'e free, I expect I'll have no trouble finding people to load them themselves.

Eddie, between you and C5...


I have learned more about pigs than I ever knew, not being a son of the soil.

What an adventure...

This is clearly a challenging gig, because the pigs are so smart. No wonder so many of the younger generation are becoming vegetarians.

Re snuck this post up on me. I have an interview with Farmgal coming up soon.
Eddie, I didnt want to say nuttin... but I thought this was about to come up... and I figured I should just hang in the background. I remember this part.

A small part of this is that they dont know an electic fence isnt still in the way. Ild take the fence down and they still wouldnt leave the enclosure.

Surly, alot a vegetarians are in for a rude awakening when they figure out their Quimoa is shipped in from Peru and the deisle necessary for any quantity of grains can only be replaced by...It cant be replaced. Their will be alot of involuntary vegetarians. Their will probably be some cannibalism as well. I hear Vegans taste better. I wonder what wine goes with that. Probably requires a pressure cooker though like roosters and old hens. Even they are smart enough not to be vegetarian.

Believe it or not , MrsC5 wants pigs again, inspite of our trauma. We just need to find a breed much smaller and more manageable. And only enough for us. This small farm idea for profit is bullshit. That is a subject bubbling under the surface that should come out once someone is brave enough to say it out loud. I know some saying it in the shadows
I'm supposed to take the second half of the year off. Or mostly off or kind of off. Well at least as close as I can. Maybe get some stuff done that is banging around in my head. On the list was a pig. I thought the pot bellied pig would be the winner. they top out at 100-150 lbs and end up overwhelming the pet owners who got them young and cute. You see classified adds for them all the time cheap or free; of course there is usually a stipulation that they are not for food... I think I will put it off this year and see how the girls do when it comes time to kill off all the male chicks. Darcy was quite clear that she is ok with killing all the boys except one but wants to keep the girls. They show up June 26th. As to gardening for profit I get annoyed this time of year. Its cottage season and without fail this year someone will stop by wanting to buy something or saying I should sell some vegetables. I get annoyed because you cannot even start explaining to them how much work goes into the garden and how they can't afford it... Conditioned by cheap food they just lack the worldview to understand just how time consuming real food is. Its cheap if we eat it or give it to friends but would have to be priced out of contention to make a "profit"...
I envy you your swine gentlemen.
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« Reply #111 on: May 17, 2018, 04:41:14 PM »

Surly, alot a vegetarians are in for a rude awakening when they figure out their Quimoa is shipped in from Peru and the deisle necessary for any quantity of grains can only be replaced by...It cant be replaced. Their will be alot of involuntary vegetarians. Their will probably be some cannibalism as well. I hear Vegans taste better. I wonder what wine goes with that. Probably requires a pressure cooker though like roosters and old hens. Even they are smart enough not to be vegetarian.

C5, "The 'long pig that speaks,' when the drums beat till dawn and wild dances maddened the blood" is a Marquesan delicacy that has also been enjoyed at many times and by many tribes. And if you regard Cormac McCarthy's "The road" as likely prophecy, it may well be again.

Vegetarians will be a better choice, since our position on top of the food chain leads to the absorption of harmful chemicals, heavy metals, pesticides and variant forms of Republican policy ideas. As to wine, not sure whether long pig is red meat or white. Perhaps deferring to expertise, we should choose a chianti when we get to the liver.



But then I might be mistaken.

Wine pairing for zombies: Which wines go best with human flesh?


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But forget your notions about enjoying a man's liver with a nice chianti, says wine connaisseur Chris McGurn:

"I would personally avoid this, as the Chianti might be a little too light for the fattiness of the liver," he told The Huffington Post. "A Barolo would be a much better choice of Italian wine."

I'll handle the marketing: "Long Pig: It's Not Just for the Donner Party Anymore."

Hannibal the Cannibal recommended Chianti to go with your Long Pig.

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Where the grapes will come from to make the Chianti I have no idea, but I do have a few bottles of wine in the preps.


Far as the cut I will try first, it will probably be a BBQ of either the rib portion of the dead carcass or the the loin portion.  Then I will try a slow cooker stew of the shoulder portion, boneless with the bone space stuffed with veggies and herbs from the garden, and topped with homemade Tomato Sauce from the garden, Mushroom from under the shed area where they gorw best and pop up whenever we have a damp cool mornng, with a crown of Cheese from our two very annoying and stubborn goats, Lydia and Sue.  There is no connection between these names and any women I have had long relationships with. lol.  I am not a misogynisr!  I just hit the statistical problem of too many assholes of any gender to tolerate, and women are half of the lot.  Legs I will smoke as Hams.

Anyhow, by the time I finish with the herb stuffing and the tomato sauce and cheese, you won't be able to tell the difference between this meal and Veal Parmiagana at the Olive Garden.

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« Reply #112 on: May 17, 2018, 05:09:28 PM »
Sooooo..... how about that local sports team....

I say, take advantage of that pot bellied pig thing. Bad for meat. Good for lard.


I have a peak life experience that involves some sneaky redneck socialist revolutionaries, A pot bellied pig, that the male owner came up afterwards and said, "I hope you eat the fucker. He almost killed my rottweiler", drug dealers shooting a hole in their rental vehicle, hippies tackling a  drunk guy with a chainsaw, some explosions and CISIS, Canada's version of the CIA/FBI swarming the area. Good times. Each time one of those parties ended, everyones thoughts were, "Thank god nobody died". 

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« Reply #113 on: May 17, 2018, 05:48:22 PM »
What? No comments. LOL

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« Reply #114 on: May 17, 2018, 06:20:25 PM »
Nope you have the market cornered on crazy. Around here just your regular gun crazy atv riding deer hunting don't ask don't tell types.
I'd probably end up keeping a pig for a pet and a second for food. I think the lard would be a draw not a problem. I know I have enough food waste for at least one. I want the girls to experience livestock. It will have to play second  fiddle this year to the tractor work. 1 acre plowed on charcoal is the goal. Not sure if we plant anything or just cultivate it.
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« Reply #115 on: May 18, 2018, 08:47:05 AM »
What? No comments. LOL

When we had the first conclave at my place, I deliberately chose to keep firearms, explosives, and drugs (other than a tiny bit of cannabis) out of it. I keep my weapons under lock and key, most of the time. Good decision. LOL.

The few Diners who came (many from far away, and everyone nervous about whether it was even a good idea) were somewhat muted in their party response. But we had a good time. I still have my party hat. We drank a respectable amount of beer, and we all went to class together for a week. So we had something to focus on.

When RE bankrolled the 2nd conclave, we had tons of the best food you can imagine, a beautiful retreat location, and after the civilians went home, we all (well most of us) jumped in the lake in the middle of the night and had a swim. People came from as far away as Alaska and London.

Low key, but still a peak experience. One I shall never forget.
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« Reply #116 on: May 18, 2018, 09:03:04 AM »
What? No comments. LOL

When we had the first conclave at my place, I deliberately chose to keep firearms, explosives, and drugs (other than a tiny bit of cannabis) out of it. I keep my weapons under lock and key, most of the time. Good decision. LOL.

The few Diners who came (many from far away, and everyone nervous about whether it was even a good idea) were somewhat muted in their party response. But we had a good time. I still have my party hat. We drank a respectable amount of beer, and we all went to class together for a week. So we had something to focus on.

When RE bankrolled the 2nd conclave, we had tons of the best food you can imagine, a beautiful retreat location, and after the civilians went home, we all (well most of us) jumped in the lake in the middle of the night and had a swim. People came from as far away as Alaska and London.

Low key, but still a peak experience. One I shall never forget.

For me, both experiences were Peak, but I don't think any will ever beat the first one.  I left that one in tears because I knew something like that would never come again for me, in this iteration of my corporeal self at any rate.

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« Reply #117 on: May 18, 2018, 09:55:18 AM »
I'm glad. I never realized it meant that much to you. We have time for one more, probably. Soon.
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« Reply #118 on: June 08, 2018, 09:09:52 AM »
Then you have 3 chest freezers and turn them off when not needed. Cold Rooms unless purpose built are a energy pig....

Well, it all depends on the space you need and how often you need it of course.  Also there are convenience factors involved.  With the freezers, to store the meat you're going to have to do a full butchery to pack it tight.  With a cold room, you can just gut and clean the pig and hang it up on a hook.

Eddie probably is not at the point he need a cold room, and he's talking about quitting the piggy bizness also.  So yea, the Chinese Freezer makes more sense.
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Hi, I have at times been caught with more meat then I need for freezer space (and yes freezers are power hogs)  it happens when you need to process larger amounts and curing brines are my rescue. Salt and Sugar mixed with water and you hold your extra meats till finish curing and hanging to dry or till you can get to them for canning or drying them.   I try and keep at least a thousand pounds of salt on the homestead at all times just in case and work though it, I just buy 50 pound bags of pure salt in bulk from the feed store and store it.  I have a few food grade plastic barrels with lid that gets held down and go.  Its the best way I have found around holding in heat or lack of freezer space while working though it.

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« Reply #119 on: June 08, 2018, 09:48:31 AM »
Sooooo..... how about that local sports team....

I say, take advantage of that pot bellied pig thing. Bad for meat. Good for lard.


I have a peak life experience that involves some sneaky redneck socialist revolutionaries, A pot bellied pig, that the male owner came up afterwards and said, "I hope you eat the fucker. He almost killed my rottweiler", drug dealers shooting a hole in their rental vehicle, hippies tackling a  drunk guy with a chainsaw, some explosions and CISIS, Canada's version of the CIA/FBI swarming the area. Good times. Each time one of those parties ended, everyones thoughts were, "Thank god nobody died". 


So I have done pot belly pigs, some good things about them, some bad things about them and I prefer my big pigs at this time but I would go back to pot belly in heart beat if I thought things were going south! Anyway, I have this lovely moveable wooden panel set up with a little shelter that you can pull around and allow the pigs to clean out 160 feet of garden space at a time.

 Anyway, I had the most bratty little female potbelly adult in there with a young big male. He was so easy to train.. as most big pigs are.. and she was not.. she was a free piglet to me but she had been born on a farm and slipped the fence and had pretty much raised herself in the bush and was a wild thing. She would never learn to lead, but she liked her treats, so if you threw a cookie or two into a 55 gallon barrel she would go in, and you could just tip upright and move her that way.

Anyway I go out and somehow the locking part didn't quite get right and they were out.. and they had just gone though a freshly planted strawberry garden of over 300 plants.. (think the air is blue with not so nice words) but I call Red the male and he comes right up for his banana and into the pen.. but little female..

Her and I went round and round for almost three hours.. then I went and got the rifle.. hubby pulled in after work with me finishing up the butcher.. lol and went.. huh? didn't know you planned on that today?


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