When Did You Become Aware Of The Ongoing Collapse of Civilization?

[freedom]

It's been a gradual awakening, to be sure.

It began in the late 80s when I worked with Greenpeace on the criminal practices of Waste Management; then went to work on radioactive waste issues with an organization called Don't Waste US; began reading Matt Savinar's forum Life After the Oil Crash, Matt Simmons, Michael Ruppert's website From the Wilderness and his eye-opening book Crossing the Rubicon, John Pilger, Bruce Gagnon and The Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space, Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges @ truthdig, Guy McPherson and Climate Change, the Organic Consumers Association (and its expose of the food industry's control over what we eat), and most importantly, the World Socialist Web Site ... reading, reading, reading ... and watching, i.e., films on Vietnam, Salvador, Ukraine, Syria, this country's relentless bombing, invading, destroying country after country, overthrowing governments, etc etc etc.

It's been a 30-year study of social inequality, the pursuit of escalating wars, the struggles of the working class, the silencing and vilification of whistleblowers (Assange/Snowden etc.), Wall Street's financial fraud, and so much more.

Well, you get the picture.

It's not a wonder that the ruling class is censoring the Internet.

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[RE]

It's been a gradual awakening, to be sure.

It began in the late 80s when I worked with Greenpeace on the criminal practices of Waste Management; then went to work on radioactive waste issues with an organization called Don't Waste US; began reading Matt Savinar's forum Life After the Oil Crash, Matt Simmons, Michael Ruppert's website From the Wilderness and his eye-opening book Crossing the Rubicon, John Pilger, Bruce Gagnon and The Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space, Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges @ truthdig, the Organic Consumers Association (and its expose of the food industry's control over what we eat), and most importantly, the World Socialist Web Site ... reading, reading, reading ... and watching, i.e., films on Vietnam, Salvador, Ukraine, Syria, this country's relentless bombing, invading, destroying country after country, overthrowing governments, etc etc etc.

It's been a 30-year study of social inequality, the pursuit of escalating wars, the struggles of the working class, the silencing and vilification of whistleblowers (Assange/Snowden etc.), Wall Street's financial fraud, and so much more.

Well, you get the picture.

It's not a wonder that the ruling class is censoring the Internet.

to the Diner Freedom! 

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[freedom]

merci beaucoup ... it's nice to be among like-minded people 

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[agelbert]

When Did You Become Aware Of The Ongoing Collapse of Civilization?

It's been a gradual awakening, to be sure.

It began in the late 80s when I worked with Greenpeace on the criminal practices of Waste Management; then went to work on radioactive waste issues with an organization called Don't Waste US; began reading Matt Savinar's forum Life After the Oil Crash, Matt Simmons, Michael Ruppert's website From the Wilderness and his eye-opening book Crossing the Rubicon, John Pilger, Bruce Gagnon and The Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space, Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges @ truthdig, Guy McPherson and Climate Change, the Organic Consumers Association (and its expose of the food industry's control over what we eat), and most importantly, the World Socialist Web Site ... reading, reading, reading ... and watching, i.e., films on Vietnam, Salvador, Ukraine, Syria, this country's relentless bombing, invading, destroying country after country, overthrowing governments, etc etc etc.

It's been a 30-year study of social inequality, the pursuit of escalating wars, the struggles of the working class, the silencing and vilification of whistleblowers (Assange/Snowden etc.), Wall Street's financial fraud, and so much more.

Well, you get the picture.

It's not a wonder that the ruling class is censoring the Internet.

  Exactly right! Thank you for telling it like it is.

I also welcome you. 

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[agelbert]

When Did You Become Aware Of The Ongoing Collapse of Civilization?

I first became aware that Business as Usual (BAU) was a death sentence for human civilization by reading Counterpunch in the late 1990's.

I continue to be suspicous of the peak oil movement simply because it is a back door defense of massive price hikes in fossil fuels. The very idea that fossil fuels are "precious to civilization" is the height of Orwellian discourse. Yes, they boosted the standard of living for a period of time, but the COST of that boost has been, and increasingly is, degraded democracy, a SEVERELY degraded biosphere, strife, misery, slave wages, more wars, more pollution and eventual collapse. Fossil fuels were NEVER a "free lunch".

I will ALWAYS refuse to accept the BULLSHIT that those massively polluting fossil fuels are "precious" AND "indispensable" to the survival of human civilization.

I refuse to allow the peak oil meme to become a convenient "supply and demand" manufactured artificial scarcity excuse for the Profit over Planet BASTARDS 🐉🦕🦖 😈 👹, who got us into this mess in the first place, to profit even more.

 

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[Cam]

I first became aware less than two months ago on September 13th, 2019 (yes Friday the 13th, what a coincidence right?). I'm in my last year of university up in Ontario, Canada, and this news blew me out of the water.

I found out through George Mobus' Question Everything. For a few weeks I cycled between "Wow this sucks" and "This is just a bad dream".  I went through (and am still processing now) some of the stages of grief, as this knowledge has taken away most of what would have been my life plans. I was planning on investing in index funds ("The market has been growing since the 1800's, why would it stop now?" I used to say), living frugally, and retiring early. Then I was going to start a family.

I no longer plan on having a family, and my money is no longer in the stock market. Things are still very much up in the air for me.  For now I am focusing on finishing my degree and enjoying each day as much as possible. I am glad to have found so many people who see what I now see. I sometimes feel crazy when I go about my business and see everyone just relaxing as if all this was going to continue indefinitely. So this is comforting to have a group to chat with, even if it is through a screen. All the best.

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[RE]

It's been a gradual awakening, to be sure.

It began in the late 80s when I worked with Greenpeace on the criminal practices of Waste Management; then went to work on radioactive waste issues with an organization called Don't Waste US; began reading Matt Savinar's forum Life After the Oil Crash, Matt Simmons, Michael Ruppert's website From the Wilderness and his eye-opening book Crossing the Rubicon, John Pilger, Bruce Gagnon and The Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space, Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges @ truthdig, Guy McPherson and Climate Change, the Organic Consumers Association (and its expose of the food industry's control over what we eat), and most importantly, the World Socialist Web Site ... reading, reading, reading ... and watching, i.e., films on Vietnam, Salvador, Ukraine, Syria, this country's relentless bombing, invading, destroying country after country, overthrowing governments, etc etc etc.

It's been a 30-year study of social inequality, the pursuit of escalating wars, the struggles of the working class, the silencing and vilification of whistleblowers (Assange/Snowden etc.), Wall Street's financial fraud, and so much more.

Well, you get the picture.

It's not a wonder that the ruling class is censoring the Internet.

Cam!

How did you find out about the Diner?

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[Surly1]

I first became aware less than two months ago on September 13th, 2019 (yes Friday the 13th, what a coincidence right?). I'm in my last year of university up in Ontario, Canada, and this news blew me out of the water.

I found out through George Mobus' Question Everything. For a few weeks I cycled between "Wow this sucks" and "This is just a bad dream".  I went through (and am still processing now) some of the stages of grief, as this knowledge has taken away most of what would have been my life plans. I was planning on investing in index funds ("The market has been growing since the 1800's, why would it stop now?" I used to say), living frugally, and retiring early. Then I was going to start a family.

I no longer plan on having a family, and my money is no longer in the stock market. Things are still very much up in the air for me.  For now I am focusing on finishing my degree and enjoying each day as much as possible. I am glad to have found so many people who see what I now see. I sometimes feel crazy when I go about my business and see everyone just relaxing as if all this was going to continue indefinitely. So this is comforting to have a group to chat with, even if it is through a screen. All the best.

Hi Cam, welcome.

All of us here have come to a similar realization at some point and have thought similar things. It's easy for folks to believe that tomorrow is going to look pretty much like today when today looks pretty much like yesterday.

We've known everything we need t know about resource consumption and growth for the last 40-50 years. But such knowledge is bad for quarterly profits.

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[K-Dog]

I first became aware less than two months ago on September 13th, 2019 (yes Friday the 13th, what a coincidence right?). I'm in my last year of university up in Ontario, Canada, and this news blew me out of the water.

I found out through George Mobus' Question Everything. For a few weeks I cycled between "Wow this sucks" and "This is just a bad dream".  I went through (and am still processing now) some of the stages of grief, as this knowledge has taken away most of what would have been my life plans. I was planning on investing in index funds ("The market has been growing since the 1800's, why would it stop now?" I used to say), living frugally, and retiring early. Then I was going to start a family.

I no longer plan on having a family, and my money is no longer in the stock market. Things are still very much up in the air for me.  For now I am focusing on finishing my degree and enjoying each day as much as possible. I am glad to have found so many people who see what I now see. I sometimes feel crazy when I go about my business and see everyone just relaxing as if all this was going to continue indefinitely. So this is comforting to have a group to chat with, even if it is through a screen. All the best.

I had to go see what George has been up too and see he is sipping the anti-Capitalist tea.  I'm not being critical but I needed to see if you had been influenced by something recent.

Don't go off the deep end with your new knowledge.  You are entering a world of people who follow conclusions sometimes at their peril.  We have propensities to go off the deep end with our thinking.  Total ignorance or excessive sensitivity.  Blue pill red pill, I know my choice.  The good news for you is you sound like you are not too enmeshed in other peoples lives yet so you can actually pick a lifestyle consistent with what you now know.  Two months is not a long time and I don't think anyone in the doom world is predicting the future right so beware the conclusions, all of them. 

Once people start starving I think the whole game changes.

As someone who has been into this shit for decades I'm proof you can come out of this whole.  Relax, you were raised in a culture of empty values and now you are finding some.  Once you have it figured out you will be back on track in a good way.

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[Nearingsfault]

I first became aware less than two months ago on September 13th, 2019 (yes Friday the 13th, what a coincidence right?). I'm in my last year of university up in Ontario, Canada, and this news blew me out of the water.

I found out through George Mobus' Question Everything. For a few weeks I cycled between "Wow this sucks" and "This is just a bad dream".  I went through (and am still processing now) some of the stages of grief, as this knowledge has taken away most of what would have been my life plans. I was planning on investing in index funds ("The market has been growing since the 1800's, why would it stop now?" I used to say), living frugally, and retiring early. Then I was going to start a family.

I no longer plan on having a family, and my money is no longer in the stock market. Things are still very much up in the air for me.  For now I am focusing on finishing my degree and enjoying each day as much as possible. I am glad to have found so many people who see what I now see. I sometimes feel crazy when I go about my business and see everyone just relaxing as if all this was going to continue indefinitely. So this is comforting to have a group to chat with, even if it is through a screen. All the best.

hi cam,
On finances there is plenty to "invest" in that has nothing to do with markets and convention. I like Nicole Foss myself when it comes to money... She seems pretty much out of the game at this point but I saw her speak a few times and it affected me.in brief:
1 p
Avoid all debt if possible. Repay it as fast as possible even if there are so many voices around you telling you to invest in the market while carrying it... crazy
2 accumulate a financial nest egg of a minimum of 6 months of your total expenses.
3 Invest in food. Personally I prefer a revolving pantry of things I already eat just much more of them then most folks.
4 have a reserve of cash whether that is part of your nest egg or not is your call
5 invest in yourself activities that will be of use in a changed world. Good gear to do those activities.
6 cultivate the relationships with the type of people you want to become. Friendships are hard work at first if the person is of worth. Easy friendships dont challenge you to grow.

Boy that was pretty preachy...
Cheers...

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[RE]

I first became aware less than two months ago on September 13th, 2019 (yes Friday the 13th, what a coincidence right?). I'm in my last year of university up in Ontario, Canada, and this news blew me out of the water.

I found out through George Mobus' Question Everything. For a few weeks I cycled between "Wow this sucks" and "This is just a bad dream".  I went through (and am still processing now) some of the stages of grief, as this knowledge has taken away most of what would have been my life plans. I was planning on investing in index funds ("The market has been growing since the 1800's, why would it stop now?" I used to say), living frugally, and retiring early. Then I was going to start a family.

I no longer plan on having a family, and my money is no longer in the stock market. Things are still very much up in the air for me.  For now I am focusing on finishing my degree and enjoying each day as much as possible. I am glad to have found so many people who see what I now see. I sometimes feel crazy when I go about my business and see everyone just relaxing as if all this was going to continue indefinitely. So this is comforting to have a group to chat with, even if it is through a screen. All the best.

hi cam,
On finances there is plenty to "invest" in that has nothing to do with markets and convention. I like Nicole Foss myself when it comes to money... She seems pretty much out of the game at this point but I saw her speak a few times and it affected me.in brief:
1 p
Avoid all debt if possible. Repay it as fast as possible even if there are so many voices around you telling you to invest in the market while carrying it... crazy
2 accumulate a financial nest egg of a minimum of 6 months of your total expenses.
3 Invest in food. Personally I prefer a revolving pantry of things I already eat just much more of them then most folks.
4 have a reserve of cash whether that is part of your nest egg or not is your call
5 invest in yourself activities that will be of use in a changed world. Good gear to do those activities.
6 cultivate the relationships with the type of people you want to become. Friendships are hard work at first if the person is of worth. Easy friendships dont challenge you to grow.

Boy that was pretty preachy...
Cheers...

I did several Interviews with Nicole.  You can find them on Diner YouTube and Diner Soundcloud.

I hit 6 out of 6 of the above Investments. 

I would add to that

7- Move to a Remote Location with good Resources

8- FORM COMMUNITY!

RE

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[Nearingsfault]

I first became aware less than two months ago on September 13th, 2019 (yes Friday the 13th, what a coincidence right?). I'm in my last year of university up in Ontario, Canada, and this news blew me out of the water.

I found out through George Mobus' Question Everything. For a few weeks I cycled between "Wow this sucks" and "This is just a bad dream".  I went through (and am still processing now) some of the stages of grief, as this knowledge has taken away most of what would have been my life plans. I was planning on investing in index funds ("The market has been growing since the 1800's, why would it stop now?" I used to say), living frugally, and retiring early. Then I was going to start a family.

I no longer plan on having a family, and my money is no longer in the stock market. Things are still very much up in the air for me.  For now I am focusing on finishing my degree and enjoying each day as much as possible. I am glad to have found so many people who see what I now see. I sometimes feel crazy when I go about my business and see everyone just relaxing as if all this was going to continue indefinitely. So this is comforting to have a group to chat with, even if it is through a screen. All the best.

Another Ontario person... I Just noticed...

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[RE]

I first became aware less than two months ago on September 13th, 2019 (yes Friday the 13th, what a coincidence right?). I'm in my last year of university up in Ontario, Canada, and this news blew me out of the water.

I found out through George Mobus' Question Everything. For a few weeks I cycled between "Wow this sucks" and "This is just a bad dream".  I went through (and am still processing now) some of the stages of grief, as this knowledge has taken away most of what would have been my life plans. I was planning on investing in index funds ("The market has been growing since the 1800's, why would it stop now?" I used to say), living frugally, and retiring early. Then I was going to start a family.

I no longer plan on having a family, and my money is no longer in the stock market. Things are still very much up in the air for me.  For now I am focusing on finishing my degree and enjoying each day as much as possible. I am glad to have found so many people who see what I now see. I sometimes feel crazy when I go about my business and see everyone just relaxing as if all this was going to continue indefinitely. So this is comforting to have a group to chat with, even if it is through a screen. All the best.

Another Ontario person... I Just noticed...

Hoping Cam returns! 🤞   I upgraded to Member status so the posts will go up with out Moderation.

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[Cam]

@Surly1 Thanks for the support. It is crazy to me how many warnings we've ignored so far! The Limits to Growth in 1972, The World Scientists' Warning to Humanity in 1992, another letter in 2017 signed by 15,000 scientists around the world, and ‘World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency’ right here in 2019 signed by 11,000 scientists. It's wild to me what we're willing to ignore to continue growing. Also I like that comic. Sad but also makes me chuckle.

@RE I think I found it on George's blog roll. Glad I did! And thank you for the tips, I will keep these in mind 

@Nearingsfault Thank you for all these ideas. I will definitely be learning from Nicole Foss over Christmas break (school is real busy right now and I can't afford many distractions). As far as Ontarians go, are there a lot of us in the Diner?

@KDog When I first learned about all this it was a slap in the face when I read conclusions people were drawing. I am trying to be more careful now as I got into a rut where all I was putting into my head was predictions of collapse and human extinction. Not that I am disputing those, but focusing all my mental energy on that stuff was pretty draining. This past summer I learned about Stoicism and I know that is going to help me along the way. Thank you for the encouragement, it really helps!

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[RE]

@Surly1 Thanks for the support. It is crazy to me how many warnings we've ignored so far! The Limits to Growth in 1972, The World Scientists' Warning to Humanity in 1992, another letter in 2017 signed by 15,000 scientists around the world, and ‘World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency’ right here in 2019 signed by 11,000 scientists. It's wild to me what we're willing to ignore to continue growing. Also I like that comic. Sad but also makes me chuckle.

@RE I think I found it on George's blog roll. Glad I did! And thank you for the tips, I will keep these in mind 

@Nearingsfault Thank you for all these ideas. I will definitely be learning from Nicole Foss over Christmas break (school is real busy right now and I can't afford many distractions). As far as Ontarians go, are there a lot of us in the Diner?

Did you see my recent Vid Interview with George?  He, K-Dog and myself also met up down in Seattle for a Doomer Dinner while I was there a few months ago.  It's up on Diner YouTube.

Far as active, participating Diners are concerned, NF is the only one from Ontario.  C5 hails from Nova Scotia.  We have many Hosers from the Great White North as Blog Readers though.

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