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« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2018, 05:48:31 PM »
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Eddie: I don't like Maduro, and I didn't like Chavez. They are/were corrupt as hell, but the real problem is the decline in oil prices, not socialism.

Corrupt as hell? Need some evidence for that, or it might be US brainwashing.
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Re: 😞 Depression Striking More Young People Than Ever
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2018, 06:22:19 PM »
In my last 7 threads in Geopolitics on "wars" in Yemen, Korea, Iran, Israel, Lebanon, Turkey and Vanuatu have generated 44 replies and 1173 views, and are the only articles on the current state of WW3 on DD.
You are very popular.  I suggest you start a WW3 Website to focus on this aspect of collapse and not be bothered by food and boat threads.
It's your dime and his time, but I do like the articles Palloy posts on the current state of war in the world; most other sources are very much focused on the official US government narrative, whether or not they approve of it.

I also find Palloy's computer articles to be extremely informative, and his narratives about life in the tropical rain forest to be fascinating.
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« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2018, 06:43:24 PM »
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Eddie: I don't like Maduro, and I didn't like Chavez. They are/were corrupt as hell, but the real problem is the decline in oil prices, not socialism.

Corrupt as hell? Need some evidence for that, or it might be US brainwashing.

Corruption in Venezuela is so prevalent it has its own Wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Venezuela

Transparency International's 2016 Corruption Perception Index ranks the country 166th place out of 176 countries.[3]

A 2014 Gallup poll found that 75% of Venezuelans believed that corruption was widespread throughout the Venezuelan government.[4] Discontent with corruption was cited by opposition-aligned groups as one of the reasons for the 2014 and 2017 Venezuelan protests.[5]


The Corruption Perceptions Index, produced annually by Berlin-based NGO Transparency International (TNI) ranked Venezuela among the most corrupt countries in the world[32] A 2013 survey by TNI in 2013 found that 68% of those believed that the government's efforts to fight corruption were ineffective; a majority of those surveyed said the government's effort against corruption were ineffective, that corruption had increased from 2007 to 2010, and perceived political parties, the judiciary, the parliament and the police to be the institutions most affected by corruption.[33] In 2014, the World Justice Project ranked Venezuela's government in 99th place worldwide and gave it the worst ranking of countries in Latin America according to the Rule of Law Index 2014[28] and in 2015, the World Justice Project's Rule of Law Index 2015 report placed Venezuela as having the worst rule of law in the world, with the majority of Venezuelans believing that the Venezuelan government was not held accountable under the law, was corrupt, lacked transparency and did not respect the privacy of citizens.[34]

Hugo Chávez (1999–2013)
In December 1998, Hugo Chávez declared three goals for the new government; "convening a constituent assembly to write a new constitution, eliminating government corruption, and fighting against social exclusion and poverty". However, during Hugo Chávez's time in power, corruption has become widespread throughout the government due to impunity towards members of the government, bribes and the lack of transparency.[6] In 2004, Hugo Chávez and his allies took over the Supreme Court, filling it with supporters of Chávez and made new measures so the government could dismiss justices from the court.[35] According to the Cato Institute, the National Electoral Council of Venezuela was under control of Chávez where he tried to "push a constitutional reform that would have allowed him unlimited opportunities for reelection".[25] Some criticisms of corruption came from Chávez's own supporters, with Chávez's initial political party, the Fifth Republic Movement (MVR), being criticized as being riddled with the same cronyism, political patronage, and corruption that Chávez alleged were characteristic of the old "Fourth Republic" political parties.[36][37][38]

Public funds
In early 2000, Chávez's friend and co-conspirator in the 1992 Venezuelan coup d'état attempts Jesus Urdaneta was appointed head of Venezuela's intelligence agency, DISIP. Urdaneta began receiving reports that Chávez's allies, Luis Miquilena, leader of the National Assembly and José Vicente Rangel, Chávez's foreign minister, were keeping public funds for themselves. Urdaneta brought this to Chávez's attention, but Chávez ignored his advice saying that he needed the political experience of both men in order to establish power.[39]

$22.5 billion of public funds have been transferred from Venezuela to foreign accounts with half of that money being unaccounted for by anyone.[25] José Guerra, a former Central Bank executive, claims that most of that money has been used to buy political allies in countries such as Cuba and Bolivia.[25] Chávez reportedly made promises and carried out most payments of nearly $70 billion USD to foreign leaders without the consultation of the people of Venezuela and without normal legal procedures.[25]

Maletinazo scandal
Main article: Maletinazo
In August 2007, Guido Alejandro Antonini Wilson (es), a self-identified member of the entourage of Hugo Chávez, who was about to visit Argentina, arrived in Argentina on a private flight paid for by Argentine and Venezuelan state officials. Wilson was carrying $800,000 USD in cash, which the police seized on arrival. A few days later Wilson, a Venezuelan-American and a close friend of Chávez's, was a guest at a signing ceremony involving Cristina Kirchner and Chávez at the Casa Rosada. He was later arrested on money laundering and contraband charges. It was alleged that the cash was to have been delivered to the Kirchner's as a clandestine contribution to Cristina's campaign chest from President Chávez. Fernández, as a fellow leftist, was a political ally of Chávez. This was seen as a similar move that Chávez allegedly used to give payments to leftist candidates in presidential races for Bolivia and Mexico in order to back his anti-US allies.[40] The incident led to a scandal and what Bloomberg News called "an international imbroglio," with the U.S. accusing five men of being secret Chávez agents whose mission was to cover up the attempt to deliver the cash.[41][42]

According to the United States Department of Defense's PRISM journal, the $800,000 in cash may have also been a payment from Iran to Cristina Kirchner. It was alleged that Chávez helped a deal for Iran to obtain nuclear technology from Argentina and to cover up the AMIA bombing information, with Venezuela also purchasing Argentine debt in the dealing. Iranian and Argentine relations improved shortly after the incident.[43]

Nicolás Maduro (2013–present)

Diosdado Cabello beside Nicolás Maduro and his wife, Cilia Flores.
President Nicolás Maduro and his wife Cilia Flores have been accused of nepotism, with individuals claiming that several of her close relatives became employees of the National Assembly when she became elected deputy.[44][45] According to the Venezuelan newspaper Tal Cual, 16 relatives of Flores were in an office while she was in the National Assembly.[46] In 2012, relatives of Flores were removed from office.[46] However, relatives that were removed from office found other occupations in the government a year later.[47] President Maduro's son and other relatives have also been used as examples of alleged nepotism.[47]

“It’s been a big year for Maduro ... I think this year has been the tipping point and his negligence, incompetence and corruption are the cause. When a country’s leader can watch his people starve and still oversee a government stealing $70 billion a year all while his family deals drugs, it’s a special kind of evil. He deserves this prize.
Drew Sullivan, co-founder of OCCRP[48]

Allegations have also been made that Maduro had cooperated with the Islamist militant group, Hezbollah as well as the Syrian govern receive funds on the market.[49][50][51][52]

As 2016 concluded, the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP), an international non-governmental organization that investigates crime and corruption, gave President Maduro the Person of the Year Award that "recognizes the individual who has done the most in the world to advance organized criminal activity and corruption". The OCCRP stated that they had "chose Maduro for the global award on the strength of his corrupt and oppressive reign, so rife with mismanagement that citizens of his oil-rich nation are literally starving and begging for medicines" and that Maduro and his family steal millions of dollars from government coffers to fund patronage that maintains President Maduro's power in Venezuela. The group also explains how Maduro had overruled the legislative branch filled with opposition politicians, repressed citizen protests and had relatives involved in drug trafficking.[48]



Yeah, just brainwashing. In your dreams, Commandante Palloy.
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Re: 😞 Depression Striking More Young People Than Ever
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2018, 07:41:49 PM »
But that's all US's point of view. 

OCCRP is funded by USAID.
Transparency International expelled its US branch in 2017 because of "the board's recognition of differences in philosophies, strategies, and priorities between the former chapter and the Transparency International Movement."
"A 2014 Gallup poll found that 75% of Venezuelans believed that ..."
"Discontent with corruption was cited by opposition-aligned groups as one of the reasons for the 2014 and 2017 Venezuelan protests.[5]"

Wikipedia cannot be trusted in areas that are contentious political ideas.
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« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2018, 08:58:18 PM »
"Goobermintt" and "Corrupr" are pretty much synonymous terms.  Every Goobermint on on the globe of whatever ideological flavor and whatever side of the Left-Right divide is corrupt.  The question is how much corruption and how quickly money gets drained from the public good to private hands.  This is an incredibly opaque thing to try to measure in any reasonable fashion from newz stories or any numbers published by Goobermint agencies.

In the case of Venezuela though, it is pretty obvious what caused that rapid collapse situation.  Loans from the IMF, falling Oil Prices and depleting Oil reserves.  Had little to do with "socialism".

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Re: 😞 Depression Striking More Young People Than Ever
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2018, 09:09:20 PM »
But that's all US's point of view. 

OCCRP is funded by USAID.
Transparency International expelled its US branch in 2017 because of "the board's recognition of differences in philosophies, strategies, and priorities between the former chapter and the Transparency International Movement."
"A 2014 Gallup poll found that 75% of Venezuelans believed that ..."
"Discontent with corruption was cited by opposition-aligned groups as one of the reasons for the 2014 and 2017 Venezuelan protests.[5]"

Wikipedia cannot be trusted in areas that are contentious political ideas.
i stumbled upon this site a while back. I think its fairly well rounded and helped me get some info on Venezuelan realities that have not been washed and rewashed to the point of being meaningless. Nitty gritty day to day stuff. I'd be interested what others think of it tool of the establishment or fairly balanced?  https://venezuelanalysis.com
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« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2018, 09:28:41 PM »
The site strikes me as a legitimate but of course very left-leaning publication.....of the "Bolivarian Process" which is pro-Chavez.

I'm not surprised to see socialism trying to get a foothold in countries like Venezuela, which had a corruption problem long before they had socialism. Socialism is a reaction to the crony capitalism of the old guard, the ones who are trying to oust Maduro now. The right-wingers, who are the old elites, are trying to undercut Maduro any way they can. And the US State Dept. is now run by Pompeo. The US is doing everything they can to support the old elites, who would be happy to let the US call the shots.

Bu that doesn't mean Chavez's cronies weren't corrupt. They were, and so is Maduro.

RE is mostly correct, although Venezuela still has substantial reserves, I think.
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« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2018, 10:01:18 PM »

RE is mostly correct, although Venezuela still has substantial reserves, I think.

I think the reserves are over-stated, and the economics of dragging them up is dicey even at the current relatively high prices.  I don't think they are much more profitable than Canuck Tar Sands or Fracking, and the Venezuelans don't have access to the credit market to keep pumping while losing money.

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« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2018, 12:01:24 AM »
A thread off the rails.  Good I need one.  Palloy may be the expert here.  As Americans I think we are totally snowed when it comest to info on Iran.  To what extent has Iran been causing mayhem in the world?  Kunstler's trolls seem most happy to agree with him that they cause mayhem as bad as the U.S. does.  There is the perennial narrative of Shiites in Lebanon or something which wanes in and out of American focus like a short period comet.  Background noise, there but never quite loud or important enough to pay much attention to.  That comet has been coming and going all my life.  What is it doing now?

I'm dubious.  I don't see Iran having the budget for much mayhem but what is the scoop about Iran in Syria?  They have a hard on for Israel it seems, but anyone else but them and us chickens?   Israel is no angel and you can't trust their explanation worth a shit.  The shit they rare pulling these days they'd get down on any excuse.

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« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2018, 07:04:09 AM »
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Eddie: Bu that doesn't mean Chavez's cronies weren't corrupt. They were, and so is Maduro.

Aw, c'mon!!  I just pointed out that all your sources were biased crap, and your response is to just repeat what you said.  That's an absolutely certain sign of brainwashing - a total inability to change your mind, while being exactly in step with the MSM .
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😞 Hospitals See Growing Numbers Of Kids And Teens At Risk For Suicide
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2018, 02:15:31 AM »
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/05/16/611407972/hospitals-see-growing-numbers-of-kids-and-teens-at-risk-for-suicide

Hospitals See Growing Numbers Of Kids And Teens At Risk For Suicide

May 16, 201812:01 AM ET

Tara Haelle

Teens are visiting the hospital with thoughts of suicide more frequently.
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The number of kids who struggle with thoughts of suicide – or attempt to kill themselves – is rising. New research, published Wednesday in Pediatrics finds children ages 5-17 visited children's hospitals for suicidal thoughts or attempts about twice as often in 2015 as in 2008.

The study found kids of all ages are affected though increases were greatest for older adolescents.

Lead author Gregory Plemmons, a pediatrician and researcher at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tenn., says the study results confirmed what he'd been seeing at the hospital.

He says he hopes clinicians and families take note. "The number one thing to take home is that it's important to talk about this and important to ask about it," he says.

The findings line up with past data showing a steady increase in teen suicide over the past decade. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported last year that a drop in adolescent suicide in the 1990s and early 2000s reversed course in 2008, though it's not yet reached peak levels seen in the 1980s. It's not clear what has contributed to the increase, but the study noted the 2008 financial crisis may be one factor among others.

Plemmons and his co-researchers examined 2008-2015 billing data from a database of 49 children's hospitals across the U.S. They included all emergency department encounters, stays for observation and inpatient hospitalizations at those hospitals, but did not include community hospitals.
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The researchers turned up 115,856 visits for suicidal ideation or attempts, during the seven-year period. Such visits represented 0.7 percent of total children's hospital visits in 2008 but by 2015 had increased to 1.8 percent of all visits. More than half the visits required at least one night of hospitalization, and nearly 1 in 7 required intensive care.

Older teens were more likely to end up in the hospital and had the greater increase in hospital visits. About half of suicide-related hospital visits for the time studied were from teens ages 15-17, but 12- to 14-year-olds closely trailed them, making up 37 percent of visits. Children ages 5-11 made up the remaining 13 percent.

One of the study's most striking findings was a seasonal trend in hospital visits. Throughout the years, visits peaked in mid-fall and mid-spring and fell to the lowest point in the summer. "We knew there was an association with school seasons, but actually seeing that mapped out was surprising," says Plemmons. It suggests a link with school pressures.

"It really speaks to the stress and the strain at school," says Dr. Robert Dicker, associate director of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry at Zucker Hillside Hospital in Glen Oaks, New York. "Kids appear to be under much more academic success to achieve and their perception of falling short."

Dicker, who was not involved in the study, also noted possible influences from the media, particularly social media.

Plemmons also drew attention to social media's influence. "You're becoming more disconnected and not having relationships with real people, and at the same time you're being fed a false distortion of what reality is, where everything looks great on screen," he says.

Cyberbullying and sexting he adds, could also be risk factors. "These kids have to deal with pressures that we didn't deal with."

Other possible contributors noted in the study included earlier puberty in girls, since reaching puberty is a risk factor for suicide. Girls made up two-thirds of the hospital visits in the study period.

But none of these possibilities is definitive.

"This type of study is very good at revealing trends but cannot address causality," says Dr. Laurel Williams, chief of psychiatry at Texas Children's Hospital in Houston, Texas. Despite being the third leading cause of death in adolescents, suicide is still relatively rare, making it harder to study causes, she says.

But it is important to screen for depression and anxiety, she says. Her institution also uses validated screening tools to screen adolescents and is exploring tele-consultation strategies to help pediatricians manage cases if they feel underprepared or uncomfortable.

"We know there are a lot of patients still out there who have clinical depression who are not accessing care," Plemmons says, adding that it's important for adults to identify resources in their area for struggling teens. Parents can start with their child's primary care doctor.

But the most important first step is one anyone can take.

"The current best method for identifying risk is to ask," Williams says. "Asking a young person how they are feeling, not just how they are doing, is essential. We need to give young people the time and space to talk about how they are feeling. This involves developing closer relationships over time, not something you can scramble at the last minute or only in moments of crisis."

Plemmons also emphasized the importance of talking to adolescents about the issue.

"There's still a huge stigma and anything you can do to destigmatize it helps," he says, adding that a fear still exists among some pediatricians and parents that discussing suicide may suggest it to adolescents.

"We know from literature that that's not the case," Plemmons says. "Talking about it can sometimes help reduce the risk."
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😞 Slow Suicide and the Abandonment of the World
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https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/06/21/slow-suicide-and-the-abandonment-of-the-world/

Slow Suicide and the Abandonment of the World

Slow Suicide and the Abandonment of the World

Widespread media coverage may have contributed to a 10% increase in suicides following Robin Williams’ highly publicized death by suicide in August 2014. CDC data revealed that there were 18,690 deaths by suicide in the U.S.significantly more than the 16,849 suicides that past data and trends would have predicted for that time period.


 “The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious, of being out of one’s mind, is the condition of the normal man.  Society highly values its normal man.  It educates children to lose themselves and to become absurd, and thus to be normal.  Normal men have killed perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years.  Our behavior is a function of our experience.  We act the way we see things. If our experience is destroyed, our behavior will be destructive.  If our experience is destroyed, we have lost our own selves.”

– R.D. Laing, The Politics of Experience, 1967

“The artist is the man who refuses initiation through education into the existing order, remains faithful to his own childhood being, and thus becomes ‘a human being in the spirit of all times, an artist.’”   

– Norman O. Brown, Life Against Death                      


Most suicides die of natural causes, slowly and in silence. 

But we hear a lot about the small number of suicides, by comparison, who kill themselves quickly by their own hands.  Of course their sudden deaths elicit shock and sadness since their deaths, usually so unexpected even when not a surprise, allow for no return.  Such sudden once-and-for-all endings are even more jarring in a high-tech world where people are subconsciously habituated to thinking that everything can be played back, repeated, and rewound, even lives. 

If the suicides are celebrities, the mass media can obsess over why they did it.  How shocking!  Wasn’t she at the peak of her career?  Didn’t he finally seem happy?  And then the speculative stories will appear about the reasons for the rise or fall of suicide rates, only to disappear as quickly as the celebrities are dropped by the media and forgotten by the public.

The suicides of ordinary people will be mourned privately by their loved ones in their individual ways and in the silent recesses of their hearts.  A hush will fall over their departures that will often be viewed as accidental.


Williams’ suicide stunned many people probably due to his ostensible insouciant and ebullient public persona. (Photo: Eva Rinaldi)

And the world will roll on as the earth absorbs the bodies and the blood.  “Where’s it all going all this spilled blood,” writes the poet Jacques Prévert.  “Murder’s blood…war’s blood… blood of suicides…the earth that turns and turns with its great streams of blood.”

Of such suicides Albert Camus said, “Dying voluntarily implies you have recognized, even instinctively, the ridiculous character of that habit [of living], the absence of any profound reason for living, the insane character of that daily agitation, and the uselessness of suffering.”  He called this feeling the absurd, and said it was widespread and involved the feeling of being an alien or stranger in a world that couldn’t be explained and didn’t make sense.  Assuming this experience of the absurd, Camus wished to explore whether suicide was a solution to it.  He concluded that it wasn’t.

Like Camus, I am interested in asking what is the meaning of life.  “How to answer it?” he asked in The Myth of Sisyphus.  He added that “the meaning of life is the most urgent of questions.”  But I don’t want to explore his line of reasoning to his conclusions, whether to agree or disagree.  I wish, rather, to explore the reasons why so many people choose to commit slow suicide by immersing themselves in the herd mentality and following a way of life that leads to inauthenticity and despair; why so many people so easily and early give up their dreams of a life of freedom for a proverbial mess of pottage, which these days can be translated to mean a consumer’s life, one focused on staying safe by embracing conventional bromides and making sure to never openly question a system based on systemic violence in all its forms; why, despite all evidence to the contrary, so many people embrace getting and spending and the accumulation of wealth in the pursuit of a chimerical “happiness” that leaves them depressed and conscience dead.  Why so many people do not rebel but wish to take their places on this ship of fools.


Camus lived life like a central casting version of the Paris intellectual, down to the perennial cig dangling from his lips. Life ambushed him on a highway in Villeblevin, his ideas about many things, unresolved. He was 46.

So what can we say about the vast numbers of people who commit slow suicide by a series of acts and inactions that last a long lifetime and render them the living dead, those whom Thoreau so famously said were the mass of people who “lead lives of quiet desperation”?  Is the meaning of life for them simply the habit of living they fell into at the start of life before they thought or wondered what’s it all about?  Or is it the habit they embraced after shrinking back in fear from the disturbing revelations thinking once brought them?  Or did they ever seriously question their place in the lethal fraud that is organized society, what Tolstoy called the Social Lie?  Why do so many people kill their authentic selves and their consciences that could awaken them to break through the social habits of thought, speech, and action that lead them to live “jiffy lube” lives, periodically oiled and greased to smoothly roll down the conventional highway of getting and spending and refusing to resist the murderous actions of their government?

An unconscious despair rumbles beneath the frenetic surface of American society today.  An unspoken nothingness.  I think the Italian writer Robert Calasso says it well: “The new society is an agnostic theocracy based on nihilism.”  It’s as though we are floating on nothing, sustained by nothing, in love with nothing – all the while embracing any thing that a materialistic, capitalist consumer culture can throw at us.  We are living in an empire of illusions, propagandized and self-deluded.  Most people will tell you they are stressed and depressed, but will often add – “who wouldn’t be with the state of the world” – ignoring their complicity through the way they have chosen compromised, conventional lives devoid of the spirit of rebellion.

I keep meeting people who, when I ask them how they are, will respond by saying, “I’m hanging in there.” 

Don’t common sayings intimate unconscious truths?  Hang – among its possible derivatives is the word “habit” and the meaning of “coming to a standstill.”  Stuck in one’s habits, dangling over nothing, up in the air, going nowhere, hanging by a string. Slow suicides. The Beatles’ sang it melodically: “He’s a real nowhere man/Sitting in his nowhere land/Making all his nowhere plans for nobody/Doesn’t have a point of view/Knows not where he’s going to/Isn’t he a bit like you and me.”  It’s a far cry from having “the world on a string,” as Harold Arlen wrote many years before. 

Maybe if we listen to how people talk or what popular culture throws up, we will learn more through creative associations than through all the theories the experts have to offer. 

We’ve had more than a century of pseudo-scientific studies of suicide and the world has gotten much worse.  More than a century of psychotherapy and people have grown progressively more depressed.  Large and increasing numbers are drugged to the teeth with pharmaceutical drugs and television and the internet and cell phones and shopping and endless talk about food and diets and sports and nothing.

  There have been many learned tomes over the years trying to explain the act of suicide, an early and very famous one being Emile Durkheim’s groundbreaking sociological analysis Suicide (1897).  In thousands of books and articles other thinkers have approached the subject from various perspectives – psychological, philosophical, biological, etc.  They contain much truth and a vast amount of data that appeal to the rational mind seeking general explanations.  But in the end, general explanations are exactly that – general – while a mystery usually haunts the living whose loved ones have killed themselves.

But what about the slow suicides, those D. H. Lawrence called the living dead (don’t let “the living dead eat you up”), those who have departed the real world for a conscienceless complacency from which they can cast aspersions on those whose rebellious spirits give them little rest.  Where are the expert disquisitions about them?


Dr Phil dispenses daily mundane advice to the masses from his television perch, facilitated by his mentor, Oprah. The man is a quintessentially American cultural product.

We’ve had more than a century of pseudo-scientific studies of suicide and the world has gotten much worse.  More than a century of psychotherapy and people have grown progressively more depressed.  Large and increasing numbers are drugged to the teeth with pharmaceutical drugs and television and the internet and cell phones and shopping and endless talk about food and diets and sports and nothing. Talk to talk, surface to surface. Pundits pontificate daily in streams of endless bullshit for which they are paid enormous sums as they smile with their fake whiter-than-white teeth flashing from their makeup masks.  People actually listen to these fools to “inform” themselves. They even watch television news and think they know what is happening in the world.  We are drowning in a “universe of disembodied data,” as playwright John Steppling has so aptly phrased it.  People obsessively hover over their cell phones, searching for the key that will unlock the cells they have locked themselves in. Postliteracy, mediated reality, and digital dementia have become the norm.  Minds are packaged and commodified.  Perhaps you think I exaggerate, but I feel that madness is much more the norm today than when Laing penned his epigraphic comment.

Not stark raving screaming madness, just a slow, whimpering acceptance of an insane society whose very fabric is toxic and which continues its God-ordained mission of spreading death and destruction around the world in the name of freedom and democracy, while so many of its walking dead citizens measure out their lives with coffee spoons.  A nice madness, you could say, a pleasant, depressed and repressed madness.  A madness in which people might say with T. S. Eliot’s J. Alfred Prufrock (if they still read or could remember):  “I have measured out my life with coffee spoons…And I have seen the eternal Footman hold my coat, / and snicker, / And in short, I was afraid.”

But why are so many so afraid?  Everyone has fears, but so many normal people seem extremely fearful, so fearful they choose to blend into the social woodwork so they don’t stand out as dissenters or oddballs.  They kill their authentic selves; become conscience-less.  And they do this in a society where their leaders are hell-bent on destroying the world and who justify their nuclear madness at every turn. I think Laing was right that this goes back to our experience.  When genuine experience is denied or mystified (it’s now disappeared into digital reality), real people disappear.  Laing wrote:

In order to rationalize our industrial-military complex, we have to destroy our  capacity to see clearly any more what is in front of, and to imagine what is beyond, our noses.  Long before a thermonuclear war can come about, we have had to lay  waste our sanity.  We begin with the children.  It is imperative to catch them in time. 

Without the most thorough and rapid brainwashing their dirty minds would see  through our dirty tricks.  Children are not yet fools, but we shall turn them into imbeciles like ourselves, with high I. Q.’s if possible.   From the moment of birth, when the Stone Age baby confronts the twentieth century mother, the baby is subjected to these forces of violence, called love, as its mother and father, as their parents and their parents before them, have been.  These forces are mainly concerned with destroying  most of it potentialities, and on the whole this enterprise is successful.  By the time the new human is fifteen or so, we are left with a being like ourselves, a half-crazed creature more or less adjusted to a mad world.  This is normality in our present age.

Love and violence, properly speaking, are polar opposites.  Love lets the other be, but with affection and concern.  Violence attempts to constrain the other’s freedom, to force him to act in the way we desire, but with ultimate lack of concern, with indifference to the other’s own existence or destiny.  We are effectively destroying ourselves by violence masquerading as love…We live equally out of our bodies and out of our minds.


So yes, I do think most people are victims.  No one chooses their parents, or to be born into poverty, or to be discriminated against for one’s race, etc.  No one chooses to have their genuine experience poisoned from childhood.  No one chooses to be born into a mad society.  This is all true.  Some are luckier than others.  Suicides, fast and slow, are victims.  But not just victims.  This is not about blame, but understanding.  For those who commit to lives of slow suicide, to the squelching of their true selves and their consciences in the face of a rapacious and murderous society, there is always the chance they can break with the norm and go sane.  Redemption is always possible.  But it primarily involves overcoming the fear of death, a fear that manifests itself in the extreme need to preserve one’s life, so-called social identity, and sense of self by embracing social conventions, no matter how insane they may be or whether or not they bring satisfaction or fulfillment.  Whether or not they give life a meaning that goes deep.

But for those who have taken their lives and are no longer among us, hope is gone.  But we can learn from their tragedies if we are truthful.   For them the fear of life was primary, and death seemed like an escape from that fear. Life was too much for them.  Why?  We must ask.  So they chose a life-in-death approach through fast suicide.  Everyone is joined to them in that fear, just as everyone is joined by the fear of death.  It is a question of which dominates, and when, and how much courage we can muster to live daringly.  The fear of death leads one to constrict one’s life in the safe surround of conventional society in the illusion that such false security will save one in the end.  Death is too much for them.  So they accept a death-in-life approach that I call slow suicide. 

But in the end as in the beginning and throughout our lives, there is really no escape.  The more alive we are, the closer death feels because really living involves risks and living outside the cocoon of the social lie. Mr. Pumpkin Head might seize you, whether he is conceived as your boss, an accident, disease, social ostracism, or some government assassin.  But the deader we feel, the further away death seems because we feel safe.  Pick your poison. 

But better yet, perhaps there is no need to choose if we can regain our genuine experience that parents and society, for different reasons, conspire to deny us.  Could the meaning of our lives be found, not in statements or beliefs, but in true experience?  Most people think of experience as inner or outer.  This is not true.  It is a form of conventional brainwashing that makes us schizoid. It is the essence of the neuro-biological materialism that reduces humans to unfree automatons. Proffered as the wisdom of the super intelligent, it is sheer stupidity.   

All experience is in-between, not the most eloquent of phrasing, I admit, but accurate.  Laing, a psychiatrist, puts it in the same way as do the mystics and those who embrace the Tao.  He says, “The relation of my experience to behavior is not that of inner to outer.  My experience is not inside my head.  My experience of this room is outside in this room.  To say that my experience is intrapsychic is to presuppose that there is a psyche that my experience is in.  My psyche is my experience, my experience is my psyche.”  Reverie, imagination, prayer, dream, etc. are as much outer as inner, they are modalities of experience that exist in-between.  We live in-between, and if we could experience that, we would realize the meaning of life and our connection to all living beings, including those our government massacres daily, and we would awaken our consciences to our complicity in the killing.  We would realize that the victims of the American killing machine are human beings like us; are us, and we, them.  We would rebel. 

Thoreau said a life without principle was not worth living.  Yet for so many of the slow suicides the only principals they ever had were those they had in high school.  Such word confusion is understandable when illiteracy is the order of the day and spelling passé. Has anyone when in high school ever had Thoreau’s admonition drummed into his head: “The ways by which you may get money almost without exception lead downward. To have done anything by which you earned money merely is to have been truly idle or worse.”  Of course not, since getting a “good” living is never thought to involve living in an honest, inviting, and honorable way.  It is considered a means to an end, the end being a consumer’s paradise.  “As for the means of living,” Thoreau added, “it is wonderful how indifferent men of all classes are about it, even reformers, so called – whether they inherit, or earn, or steal it.”  Is it any wonder so many people end up committing slow suicide?  “Is it that men are too much disgusted with their own experience to speak of it?”

What the hell –TGIH!

I believe the story has it that when he was in jail for refusing the poll tax that supported slavery and the Mexican-American war, Thoreau was visited by his friend Ralph Waldo Emerson, who asked him, “Henry, what are you doing in there?”  To which Thoreau responded, “Ralph, what are you doing out there?”  Today, however, most folks don’t realize that being outside their cells is being in them, and such imprisonment is far from principled.  That’s not a text message they’re likely to receive.

I recently met a woman, where or when I can’t recall.  It might have been when walking on the open road or falling in a dreaming hole.  She told me “if you look through a window, you can see the world outside.  If you look in a mirror, you can see yourself outside.  If you look into the outside world, you can see everyone inside out.  When the inside is seen outside and the outside is seen inside, you will know what you face.  Everything becomes simple then,” as she looked straight through me and my face fell off.

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Educated in the classics, philosophy, literature, theology, and sociology, Ed Curtin teaches sociology at Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts. His writing on varied topics has appeared widely over many years. He states: “I write as a public intellectual for the general public, not as a specialist for a narrow readership. I believe a non-committal sociology is an impossibility and therefore see all my work as an effort to enhance human freedom through understanding.” His website is http://edwardcurtin.com/ .

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Re: 😞 Depression Striking More Young People Than Ever
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2018, 07:54:01 AM »
The author neglected to research the other side of the veil for the rest of the story.

Incarnating to Earth is not for rookies. Currently there are a lot of 1st timers here in this dimension.

Here's an excerpt from Michael Newton's book Destiny of Souls.

In my summary of the spirit world, I indicated that
 souls lose most
of their negative emotional baggage when they shed
their bodies.
Although it is true we may carry the imprint of som
e emotional trauma
from a past life into the next one, this condition
is in a state of abeyance
until we return to a new body. Also, a great deal o
f negative energy is
expelled during the early stages of our return to t
he spirit world, espe-
cially after deprogramming during orientation.
When a soul once again returns to a pure energy stat
e in the spirit
world, it no longer feels hate, anger, envy, jealou
sy and the like. 
I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world.
You don’t know what it is but its there, like a splinter in your mind

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Re: 😞 Depression Striking More Young People Than Ever
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2018, 07:34:48 PM »
Israel is exterminating the Palestinians. The old are robbing the young in the U.S.. The fossils fuels are going going gone. Animals and plants that are not human are being exterminated.

Big deal that is the way the world is. If you can not cope it is evolution in action. Just die and stop whining. 

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Re: 😞 Depression Striking More Young People Than Ever
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2018, 07:23:20 AM »
Israel is exterminating the Palestinians. The old are robbing the young in the U.S.. The fossils fuels are going going gone. Animals and plants that are not human are being exterminated.

Big deal that is the way the world is. If you can not cope it is evolution in action. Just die and stop whining.

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