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« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2018, 07:13:37 AM »
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What is the matter with you people?  What is good about not having to keep your car in roadworthy condition? - apart from cheapness.  Safety on the roads?  - we don't give a fuck about that, that's only for wimps, we're Christians !
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« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2018, 07:18:15 AM »
Funny timing you folks are onto this subject. The next article I started working on this week is - SHTF Driving... or, C5 turns a Honda Civic into a Truck.
No use doubling my efforts here. As usual, the survival training is about challenging unquestioned BAU thinking. Im sure a few of you have heard the pop reference, "That is very 2007of you".
If 2018 problems are trying to be solved with 2007 solutions, it is one of the fastest ways to reduce your resilience to shocks on the bumpy road down.

Any vehicle is the absolute WORST investment we will ever make. It is pouring you labour and life into a hole in the ground. There are no good answer to this subject that doesnt involve personal austerity. The only realistic option is changing your life instead of changing your vehicle.... and expecting less.

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« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2018, 09:36:57 AM »
(Post below by David B. Accidentally deleted by me and now put back. So sorry!)

We have safety inspections when you buy a used vehicle but that is it. In urban areas they have emission testing every 2 years. When you do safety a vehicle they give you mandated repairs and 30 days to complete. They can do them as well usually but there is conflict there. You can always shop it around to another inspection site with no penalty other then inspection cost so it keeps them fairly honest. It's almost always the same things rust at the rocker panels, brakes are too worn, cracked window shield, bald tires emergency brake. If you show up with those done you are usually golden.
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« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2018, 10:00:31 AM »
I feel for you and your problems.  You have two trucks already, but you haven't kept them running because it is so expensive, and now you have to deliver hay for your pigs, in a hurry.  So you have to buy a another truck - 6.0L, automatic, dual cab, comfortable, and capable of pulling an 18 foot trailer at high speeds.  All very sensible and reasonable.

So who can we blame for this awful predicament? - I know, every hispanic male in Texas, who "has to own a pick-up now".
(And of course the bloated capitalist truck manufacturer, with their built-in obsolescence and kept in business by the socialist government with MY tax money!)  They can't even make a truck that will run without problems for 23 years !  I dunno what the country is coming to.

As usual, you jump to  a lot of conclusions, you stupid asshole. Go back in your cave and shut the fuck up.

The second truck was bought FOR me by my brother (without asking me), who thought I MIGHT want it because it was a decent used diesel with only 130K. Because he's a mechanic, he was able to pick it up cheap. His wife was  driving it one day (because her car gave trouble) and had a blow-out, and the truck sustained some damage. I've never even SEEN this truck personally.  It's up in East Texas.

I drove my last new truck nearly 300K over about 10 years. It was a Toyota with a V6 and it was underpowered for my needs. I live in Texas and I have business in four counties.  I can't get by with some old junker 'island car" like the one you use to go the store once a month.

Besides, you're shaming me for merely DESIRING a new truck. Monday morning my truck goes to the shop and hopefully gets repaired. But we'll see. There does come a  time when repairs are more expensive than biting the bullet.

In general, I agree with GO that in terms of cost, a new vehicle costs less to own than somebody else's trade-in. RE doesn't even drive anymore.  Like you, he doesn't put a vehicle to the real test like I do. A used vehicle does great sitting in one spot. Try putting 15-20K a year on one. Different story.

And there are a lot of immigrants here from Mexico. A LOT of them. And they want to live the American Dream, not "live simply so that others might simply live". And they all buy trucks. Mostly on the used market. This DOES affect prices. Am I a racist for noticing this? These days, apparently so.

To some idiots like you, anyway.



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« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2018, 10:16:53 AM »
And my daily driver is a hybrid eV, for fucks sake. It gets 60 mpg, and I even load it up with 400 lbs of feed  and use it to drive into the damn pasture to feed my livestock when I can. It's not like I don't care about my own carbon footprint.

Yes, I drive a car. Yes I very, very occasionally ride on an airplane. I do consider the effects of that, and do far less of either than I did a decade ago.

There used to be a guy here in town who was known to be a serious environmentalist. He only showered once a week, to save water. In this city that has doubled in population in the 30 or so years I've lived here.

Message? It made no difference that he walked the walk. And....he stank. Can you see my point?

Probably not, I expect.
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« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2018, 10:48:39 AM »

I just want to say that you have an advantge in Alaska, a no annual  vehicle inspection state,  that many of us down here in the lower 48 do not have. Vermont has mandatory annual vehicle inspections, where they take you to the cleaners with gusto. Perhaps GO has suffered this experience. I have. It's no fun at all. It's a royal pain in the wallet. :( I'm sure Surly's state requires annual inspections too.

Virginia requested an annual inspection. The cost is nominal; the mandated repairs can be painful.

Likewise Texas.

 In counties of under 100K population, the emissions rules do not apply. I could register my trucks in Burnet County (the Stead) , and get the advantage of that, but.....big trucks don't have to meet the same emissions requirements as small trucks and cars, ANYWHERE in the US, including CA (which has the highest emissions standards).

So the benefit of registering my vehicles in an "Ag county" is not that great, compared with registering them near the office in Williamson County..... which means I can transact the yearly inspections and go pick up my tags within a few blocks of work.

If a check engine light is on, though, whatever caused that has to be fixed. That's most likely to be caused by an emissions O2 sensor, which does nothing to make the truck run better or worse. It's a conduit scheme, basically.

Technically, my home address (Travis County) is where I'm supposed to register the vehicles, but by claiming them as business vehicles I can get away with the Williamson County office address as being their "home". Austin is the State Capital, and all state offices here are overburdened now, and long waits are the norm. Last on the list for me.

Complicated. Canada sounds good.
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« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2018, 11:07:38 AM »
Interest rates have been so low for so long, and now auto financing suddenly costs a little money again. The 4-5 year no interest from Chevy, which has been available, has probably gone away. Not sure how much the cost of car borrowing at the credit unions has gone up. Maybe a point?

(Quick look....looks more like a bit more, except for stellar credit above 730) The factory financing on trucks on the Chevy website says 3.9 for 60 months. That's a monthly cost of borrowing of $170 for just the vig on a 50K vehicle in the first year of the loan.

Credit union financing at 2.9 looks better.  2.4 for stellar credit. Not too bad, I guess. Do you grab a low-ish rate going up, or wait for the next recession and expect a pullback? Dunno.

Always better to avoid debt, but I happily participate in zero rate financing, if it is available when I need to buy a vehicle.
well the 2006 explorer with a v8 and able to pull 7000 lbs costs me less in repairs then the interest alone on the new truck. Now going on over 200000 miles. I do most of my own repairs and maintenance so parts and time. Some repairs I just can't realistically do since they need a press or a hoist or a 300 dollar tool for a once in a lifetime repair. It is amazing what a obd2 scanner and youtube can allow you to do. Say what you will about the modern industry but most components are easy to change out and diagnosed with a simple scan tool. You pay more for the assembly then the old school parts but the is no guess work involved. I get your point about the convenience of buying new but I just can't see ever blowing that kind of cash.

I have a scanner. Couple of 'em. I've had mixed success with diagnosing digital issues with cars, though.

I can fix anything on any car made before the late 70's, given tools, parts, and time. Not so for today's vehicles.

You can do a whole lot of repairs on a vehicle you own outright, for the cost of a new vehicle. I do get that. Even if you pay somebody to do them. But it costs you time.  My day job wears me out at my age. It's stressful and tedious, and I work with my eyes and hands, just like a mechanic. Working on my own cars is no longer something I enjoy, even though I once felt exactly like you do.

I don't even work on my MGA anymore, even though it once was a labor of love for me.




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« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2018, 11:20:52 AM »
In general, I agree with GO that in terms of cost, a new vehicle costs less to own than somebody else's trade-in. RE doesn't even drive anymore.  Like you, he doesn't put a vehicle to the real test like I do. A used vehicle does great sitting in one spot. Try putting 15-20K a year on one. Different story.

I have put 15-20K miles/year on my used vehicles.  Like all rich people, you have an aversion to anyone else's used merchandise.  So you will take a loan from the banksters for the "perfect" vehicle that fits all your needs/WANTS.

You are correct now that I no longer "put my vehicles to the test" and I no longer haul a lot of shit with them.  However, with the exception of LD in a few years if he stays with it, nobody on this board has more experience pulling loads with a vehicle than this Diner, so I call you out here.  There is no new vehicle you can buy that will get you the value that a good used purchase will buy you.  Buying new is simply a vanity of the rich.

Even my Freightliner was bought "used", although it was used primarily by me and one other driver, a friend of mine.  I bought it from JB Hunt for half the price they paid for it off the productioin line, and it was still as good as new when I bought it from them.  Finding typical street trucks used can be more difficult of course, but it is hardly an impossible task.  As I said, if the prices in Austin are too high, drive across the border to Arkansas.  Contractors are going out of biz there on a regular basis these days.

I will no longer "put a vehicle to the test".  In fact it is questionable today whether I will ever drive one of them again since just getting out of bed today was a major effort and I am having to start thinking more about some sort of Assisted Living situation if I am to keep this Meat Package on this side of the Great Divide  walking the earth a while longer.

I predict you will take out a loan to buy the truck of your dreams.  Used Carz are beneath you.

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« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2018, 11:56:12 AM »
Funny timing you folks are onto this subject. The next article I started working on this week is - SHTF Driving... or, C5 turns a Honda Civic into a Truck.
No use doubling my efforts here. As usual, the survival training is about challenging unquestioned BAU thinking. Im sure a few of you have heard the pop reference, "That is very 2007of you".
If 2018 problems are trying to be solved with 2007 solutions, it is one of the fastest ways to reduce your resilience to shocks on the bumpy road down.

Any vehicle is the absolute WORST investment we will ever make. It is pouring you labour and life into a hole in the ground. There are no good answer to this subject that doesnt involve personal austerity. The only realistic option is changing your life instead of changing your vehicle.... and expecting less.


Well, once again I have to make a couple of points that I think might influence your thinking, even though you (and even my buddy Palloy) have a POV that I can understand, if not totally agree with.

If LD were here (he's been absent, and busy, I expect) he could tell you that most of us live in BAU whether we want to or not, because we have good reasons for that, involving having money to pay bills.

People who totally reject BAU and go off-grid and off the BAU reservation are best off following your advice as closely as they can. Let me say that up front. Palloy too. Powering down is good. It's even righteous behavior, in my view.

But consider.

What is an investment?

An investment, to me has to be an asset. Something that feeds you. For most people, a vehicle is not an asset. It is a liability, something that EATS them.

But not always.

My father used to say "Some people work to support their truck, but my truck works to support me". And in his case, he was right. He used it in his second job, which was building ag infrastructure for people, like fences, corrals  and barns.

Money spent in acquisition of an asset that feeds you is not money burned. It's a cost of doing business. Even socialists and anarchists need to wake up and smell the coffee on that one. Everybody eats.

The Mexicans get this. For a Mexican living in Texas, more than half of the trucks they own are probably decent assets. They use them to make a living. The younger, second generation guys who have day jobs like Anglos? Not so much. They fall into that other category my Dad was taking about.

Now, in my case, it might NOT be true that a truck is an asset. I don't need it to feed me. Not as long as BAU continues.

For one thing, I'm losing my ass farming, so far.

But, I do have a responsibility to take care of the animals I raised. I won't let them starve, or shoot them in the field to get rid of them, and I NEED a truck to continue what is for me an expensive (but useful) experiment in how I think I night need to live in the future.

My real plan is to patch my old truck up and use it to complete the ending of my swine-herding experiment. At that point, I take stock of whether I need a truck at all.

But I know, from many years of living and driving pick-up trucks, that having one is ALWAYS convenient. My extended family borrows mine constantly, so it provides some usefulness to a dozen people or more. And I did make a very conscious decision to buy trailers to use for my projects, rather than a big flatbed and a dump truck. As long as I feel like I need the trailers, owning a truck is necessary.

Remember ( or maybe you don't even know) I have a storage warehouse business, and I haul all manner of people's abandoned crap to the dump.

Every decision I make around money is carefully reasoned. I do not buy much on impulse. Everything I spend money for is either clearly an asset, or at least something that I think might have some future value.

That's another reason that when some fool on the internet wants to give me grief about my BAU lifestyle and my wastefulness, I don't put up with their silly shit.

Most of those people are hypocrites anyway. They just don't happen to have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of, and it's very easy for them to be critical of people who have managed to somehow make a decent life in this collapsing world. You are the exception, not the rule.

I write about money, investments, micro-businesses and my farming experiments to maybe help somebody who might benefit from doing the things I've done that have worked well for me. Not one person in a hundred readers, probably a thousand readers, gets any benefit from what I write. They're too busy rationalizing their own failures and justifying their own POV.

This is not meant as a poke at you C5. I just like you and would like to influence your thinking while we're both able to have this long distance communication, which won't always be around. 




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« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2018, 12:06:25 PM »
In general, I agree with GO that in terms of cost, a new vehicle costs less to own than somebody else's trade-in. RE doesn't even drive anymore.  Like you, he doesn't put a vehicle to the real test like I do. A used vehicle does great sitting in one spot. Try putting 15-20K a year on one. Different story.

I have put 15-20K miles/year on my used vehicles.  Like all rich people, you have an aversion to anyone else's used merchandise.  So you will take a loan from the banksters for the "perfect" vehicle that fits all your needs/WANTS.

You are correct now that I no longer "put my vehicles to the test" and I no longer haul a lot of shit with them.  However, with the exception of LD in a few years if he stays with it, nobody on this board has more experience pulling loads with a vehicle than this Diner, so I call you out here.  There is no new vehicle you can buy that will get you the value that a good used purchase will buy you.  Buying new is simply a vanity of the rich.

Even my Freightliner was bought "used", although it was used primarily by me and one other driver, a friend of mine.  I bought it from JB Hunt for half the price they paid for it off the productioin line, and it was still as good as new when I bought it from them.  Finding typical street trucks used can be more difficult of course, but it is hardly an impossible task.  As I said, if the prices in Austin are too high, drive across the border to Arkansas.  Contractors are going out of biz there on a regular basis these days.

I will no longer "put a vehicle to the test".  In fact it is questionable today whether I will ever drive one of them again since just getting out of bed today was a major effort and I am having to start thinking more about some sort of Assisted Living situation if I am to keep this Meat Package on this side of the Great Divide  walking the earth a while longer.

I predict you will take out a loan to buy the truck of your dreams.  Used Carz are beneath you.

RE

Your bias is showing again.

I've owned plenty of used cars and trucks, and a few new ones. I base my opinions on my own experience, which is.....that every time you buy used, you roll the dice. You might get lucky, but you stand a fair chance of buying a problem.

Maybe you've been lucky, or maybe you know more about cars than I do (snicker), but I have a good rationale for believing what I said, and so does GO.

Eat the rich, you commies. Palloy will join you for dinner, for once.

If I cared that much about money, I'd have gone a different way in life. I COULD have become really wealthy, had that been important to me.

You, of all people, know the difference between guys like me and the real rich. Don't be willfully ignorant. I'm not trying to get you to buy a new car. But since  I've known you, for the last 5 or 6 years, you haven't driven all that much, and at least two of your cars I can think of have bit the dust.

Am I wrong about that?  I'm counting the RV, which you'll never drive again.
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« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2018, 02:04:49 PM »
I am rich and did go that route and make no apologies and have no regrets.

If you were ever poor,  had that misfortune once, you would understand it.

If you want to listen to C5 and the other preachers here who to tell you to get a bicycle and live in a nice big empty cardboard carton by the railroad tracks and learn how to live on a box of tea bags and case of Rameron Noodles for the month go right ahead and enjoy.

Totally sick of this I'm poor and good and your wealthy and suck shit around here.

I did not want to bag groceries in my old age, be in debt up to my eyeballs, work for fucking banksters all my life to pay their fucking usury, or live and bring up my family in an apartment complex with the drunk on top of me beating the shit out of his old lady every night, and the junkies next door partying.

Enjoy your sacrifice and holiness you wonderful rich haters, Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, and all the Hollywood ass holes and rock stars you make multi millionaires and worship thank you.

It's time for all you good people to lower your living style and form community in a lovely FEMA camp somewhere while we Rich folk who look after you and rule over you discuss what to tell you good folk next at our summer long orgy at the Hamptons.

We are running out of lobsters and champagne, to say nothing of caviar and prime graded black angus from all you clowns. Your ruining it for we Elitists, it's a crisis. Scale down, become poor, shorten your life span, dyings not that bad.

You will get your reward in heaven while we are suffering in hell.


                                     

                                     
                                     


                         


                       

                         


                       

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« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2018, 02:20:50 PM »
I am rich and did go that route and make no apologies and have no regrets.

If you were ever poor,  had that misfortune once, you would understand it.

If you want to listen to C5 and the other preachers here who to tell you to get a bicycle and live in a nice big empty cardboard carton by the railroad tracks and learn how to live on a box of tea bags and case of Rameron Noodles for the month go right ahead and enjoy.

Totally sick of this I'm poor and good and your wealthy and suck shit around here.

I did not want to bag groceries in my old age, be in debt up to my eyeballs, work for fucking banksters all my life to pay their fucking usury, or live and bring up my family in an apartment complex with the drunk on top of me beating the shit out of his old lady every night, and the junkies next door partying.

Enjoy your sacrifice and holiness you wonderful rich haters, Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, and all the Hollywood ass holes and rock stars you make multi millionaires and worship thank you.

It's time for all you good people to lower your living style and form community in a lovely FEMA camp somewhere while we Rich folk who look after you and rule over you discuss what to tell you good folk next at our summer long orgy at the Hamptons.

We are running out of lobsters and champagne, to say nothing of caviar and prime graded black angus from all you clowns. Your ruining it for we Elitists, it's a crisis. Scale down, become poor, shorten your life span, dyings not that bad.

You will get your reward in heaven while we are suffering in hell.


                                     

                                     
                                     


                         


                       

                         


                       
there has to be middle ground between the extremes or else what is the fucking point. I would never play the rich poor card myself. What most of the above has been about (except the inevitable diner molotov cocktail or two) are exploring viewpoints on vehicles. I've quite enjoyed it myself.For the record I'm tring to keep my kids out of the "fema" camps myself. I see C5 as a pole Eddie as another. 
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« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2018, 02:21:33 PM »
Funny timing you folks are onto this subject. The next article I started working on this week is - SHTF Driving... or, C5 turns a Honda Civic into a Truck.
No use doubling my efforts here. As usual, the survival training is about challenging unquestioned BAU thinking. Im sure a few of you have heard the pop reference, "That is very 2007of you".
If 2018 problems are trying to be solved with 2007 solutions, it is one of the fastest ways to reduce your resilience to shocks on the bumpy road down.

Any vehicle is the absolute WORST investment we will ever make. It is pouring you labour and life into a hole in the ground. There are no good answer to this subject that doesnt involve personal austerity. The only realistic option is changing your life instead of changing your vehicle.... and expecting less.


Well, once again I have to make a couple of points that I think might influence your thinking, even though you (and even my buddy Palloy) have a POV that I can understand, if not totally agree with.

If LD were here (he's been absent, and busy, I expect) he could tell you that most of us live in BAU whether we want to or not, because we have good reasons for that, involving having money to pay bills.

People who totally reject BAU and go off-grid and off the BAU reservation are best off following your advice as closely as they can. Let me say that up front. Palloy too. Powering down is good. It's even righteous behavior, in my view.

But consider.

What is an investment?

An investment, to me has to be an asset. Something that feeds you. For most people, a vehicle is not an asset. It is a liability, something that EATS them.

But not always.

My father used to say "Some people work to support their truck, but my truck works to support me". And in his case, he was right. He used it in his second job, which was building ag infrastructure for people, like fences, corrals  and barns.

Money spent in acquisition of an asset that feeds you is not money burned. It's a cost of doing business. Even socialists and anarchists need to wake up and smell the coffee on that one. Everybody eats.

The Mexicans get this. For a Mexican living in Texas, more than half of the trucks they own are probably decent assets. They use them to make a living. The younger, second generation guys who have day jobs like Anglos? Not so much. They fall into that other category my Dad was taking about.

Now, in my case, it might NOT be true that a truck is an asset. I don't need it to feed me. Not as long as BAU continues.

For one thing, I'm losing my ass farming, so far.

But, I do have a responsibility to take care of the animals I raised. I won't let them starve, or shoot them in the field to get rid of them, and I NEED a truck to continue what is for me an expensive (but useful) experiment in how I think I night need to live in the future.

My real plan is to patch my old truck up and use it to complete the ending of my swine-herding experiment. At that point, I take stock of whether I need a truck at all.

But I know, from many years of living and driving pick-up trucks, that having one is ALWAYS convenient. My extended family borrows mine constantly, so it provides some usefulness to a dozen people or more. And I did make a very conscious decision to buy trailers to use for my projects, rather than a big flatbed and a dump truck. As long as I feel like I need the trailers, owning a truck is necessary.

Remember ( or maybe you don't even know) I have a storage warehouse business, and I haul all manner of people's abandoned crap to the dump.

Every decision I make around money is carefully reasoned. I do not buy much on impulse. Everything I spend money for is either clearly an asset, or at least something that I think might have some future value.

That's another reason that when some fool on the internet wants to give me grief about my BAU lifestyle and my wastefulness, I don't put up with their silly shit.

Most of those people are hypocrites anyway. They just don't happen to have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of, and it's very easy for them to be critical of people who have managed to somehow make a decent life in this collapsing world. You are the exception, not the rule.

I write about money, investments, micro-businesses and my farming experiments to maybe help somebody who might benefit from doing the things I've done that have worked well for me. Not one person in a hundred readers, probably a thousand readers, gets any benefit from what I write. They're too busy rationalizing their own failures and justifying their own POV.

This is not meant as a poke at you C5. I just like you and would like to influence your thinking while we're both able to have this long distance communication, which won't always be around.
That wasnt actually meant to come across as a jab. I had meant to add that the only reason to Invest in one of these is if you a doing a job where it is making you money.... but I was only doing a short note. That unfortunately is not what I see when I observe those that have them. One of the lines I will be putting in the article is, someone is going to tell me that I can do so much more if I had a truck. The answer is OF COARSE!!!! Well Duh.

But as you point out, every part of MY life is about Down Shifting. Every decision is based on detachment. Going off reservation. Do I still drive? Yup. Do I still buy stuff? Yup. Do I still spend money? You betcha. Havent escaped yet.

But part of my philosophy, is accepting that what a collapse really looks like as opposed to the books and movies, is that one day, you get that hand shake and a pink slip, and so does almost every one you know, a couple years go by and you finally realize you may never have a "Job" again that pays enough to live on. And that there is the focus point to all the crazy shit I do. Gas is rising again. It will do so.... until it sets off the next Limans event or commodities crash. Then we will repete the cycle. getting hollowed out more each cycle. The 2007 joke is more about Acceptance that THE COLLAPSE is not a future event. Its here. In fact, it is in the rear view mirror.

On the home front, we wont be putting our motorcycles on the road this year. First time in forever. That is a hard day for a biker. But it wasnt MrsC5s decision. It was mine. belts must be tightened and our money put into more productive ventures. We can be kick ass... or we can get another shipping container. I want the container.

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« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2018, 02:29:52 PM »
I am rich and did go that route and make no apologies and have no regrets.

If you were ever poor,  had that misfortune once, you would understand it.

If you want to listen to C5 and the other preachers here who to tell you to get a bicycle and live in a nice big empty cardboard carton by the railroad tracks and learn how to live on a box of tea bags and case of Rameron Noodles for the month go right ahead and enjoy.

Totally sick of this I'm poor and good and your wealthy and suck shit around here.

I did not want to bag groceries in my old age, be in debt up to my eyeballs, work for fucking banksters all my life to pay their fucking usury, or live and bring up my family in an apartment complex with the drunk on top of me beating the shit out of his old lady every night, and the junkies next door partying.

Enjoy your sacrifice and holiness you wonderful rich haters, Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, and all the Hollywood ass holes and rock stars you make multi millionaires and worship thank you.

It's time for all you good people to lower your living style and form community in a lovely FEMA camp somewhere while we Rich folk who look after you and rule over you discuss what to tell you good folk next at our summer long orgy at the Hamptons.

We are running out of lobsters and champagne, to say nothing of caviar and prime graded black angus from all you clowns. Your ruining it for we Elitists, it's a crisis. Scale down, become poor, shorten your life span, dyings not that bad.

You will get your reward in heaven while we are suffering in hell.


                                     

                                     
                                     


                         


                       

                         


                       

I mentioned RE's post to my wife, and it made her pretty mad. She knows my history.

She said. "Does RE know when you were a kid you lived in a house with four rooms where three boys shared two beds? "

I make no excuse for making myself as comfortable as I can, although I see no need for people to accumulate the kind of intergenerational wealth that has led to the great schism between those at the bottom, and those at the top.

Rich is always relative to somebody else. To me, GO is rich. To RE, I am rich. To a worker in Bangladesh, RE is rich.

To me, C5 has a freedom I don't have, which is worth a lot in today's world. Is he rich? He's able to pursue his dream, and write about it. He is not poor.

 
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« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2018, 02:58:14 PM »
But part of my philosophy, is accepting that what a collapse really looks like as opposed to the books and movies, is that one day, you get that hand shake and a pink slip, and so does almost every one you know, a couple years go by and you finally realize you may never have a "Job" again that pays enough to live on. And that there is the focus point to all the crazy shit I do. Gas is rising again. It will do so.... until it sets off the next Limans event or commodities crash. Then we will repete the cycle. getting hollowed out more each cycle. The 2007 joke is more about Acceptance that THE COLLAPSE is not a future event. Its here. In fact, it is in the rear view mirror.

And this is the truth.

"Collapse" doesn't come all at once, or evenly in all zip codes. It comes in waves.
Part of the problem is our perception of time. The plot doesn't get resolved in 22 minutes. Collapse is unfolding over decades. Guys like Eddie and C5 are getting out in front of it, via different strategies.
The class war that is unfolding has been waged for the last 38 years, and has been doubled down in the last two. Within another ten years, the rich will have it all.Social security "privatized," What's left of the middle class hollered out by the health care wealth transfer money conduit, and the transition from the ideal of homeownership to permanent renterdom nearly complete as banks will own the greatest share of real estate banks have owned in the last hundred years, and a new generation is unable to shake the permanent indenture of debt serfdom.
It just doesn't happen within a brief enough time frame for us to notice.
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