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The following sea level rise is baked in. Absolutely nothing that is done, no matter how gigantic the effort, will stop this from happening.

That does not mean we should not try, but any Climate Change mitigating  effort must be based on preserving the biosphere for future generations. It's too late to stop this and the next TWO generations from experiencing massive, worldwide Catastrophic Climate Change.

The timing of this sea level rise is still in question, but its inevitability, due to the PRESENT amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, is not. 👨‍🔬


The Fossil Fuel Industry, and those who presently profit from using fossil fuels, do not care.

Tomorrow is Yesterday...

Short term profit is ALL the Fossil Fuel Industry, and those who presently profit from using fossil fuels, care about, period.


Full Fledged 5 Alarm Climate Emergency In Antarctica

June 16th, 2018 by Steve Hanley

Using the Earth as a community toilet is finally having the effects scientists have been warning us about for decades. But as the Earth burns, our leaders have fiddled, frittering away nearly every chance to rein in the destruction before it is too late. Now the point of no return may be upon us.


The latest report — known as the “Ice Sheet Mass Balance Inter-Comparison Exercise” — was published in the journal Nature on June 13. It collects input from 84 climate scientists at 44 institutions around the world. The researchers used three different ways of measuring ice loss on the world’s southernmost continent.


Three Measurements, One Result

First, according to The Atlantic, they measured the gravity field of the Antarctic ice sheet. We rarely think of ice as having a gravitational effect but it does, just like the moon. Satellites like those used in the NASA’s GRACE program can measure that gravitational field from space.

Second, researchers aimed radar and lasers at the surface of Antarctica to detect its surface altitude, which they can then combine with knowledge of ice physics and topography to compute its balance. Third, by measuring the velocity of moving glaciers (often with GPS), researchers can calculate how much snow is being added to a glacier and how much is disappearing into the sea.

Antarctica ice loss

“These are completely independent data sets,” Beata Csatho, a geophysics professor at the University of Buffalo, tells The Atlantic. “We didn’t know until a few weeks ago where our results would sit relative to each other. It was a very nice surprise to see our results sitting right where they should be.”

“This is the gold standard in terms of demonstrating that ice sheets are changing,” adds Robin Bell, a professor of geophysics at Columbia University, who was not involved in the paper. “You have three measurements, three approaches, from three different instruments, and they all show pretty much the same thing.

Rate Of Ice Loss Is Accelerating

What they show is that the rate of ice loss in Antarctica has tripled in the past 5 years. Rob DeConto, a professor of climatology at the University of Massachusetts, refers to a chart showing the amount of ice lost over time. “If you look at the figure — it’s not a straight line going down, it’s like a downward-bending banana,” he tells The Atlantic. “That’s acceleration. You don’t have to be a statistician to see the pace of mass loss is increasing.”

The pace of change in Antarctica is not uniform across the continent. The fastest losses are appearing in two glaciers in western Antarctica known as Thwaites and Pine Island. If the pace of melting continues unabated, a phenomenon known as marine ice cliff instability may occur, sending the ice in those areas tumbling into the sea. The result could be as much as a 4.5 foot rise in global sea levels by 2100, putting more than 150 million US homes underwater. That got Bill McKibben’s attention.

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 Truly truly distressing news from the Antarctic today, where a new study finds ice loss has tripled over the last decade.

That's a strong sign that things are coming unglued, and that we need to act very fast to go fossil-freehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2018/06/13/antarctic-ice-loss-has-tripled-in-a-decade-if-that-continues-we-are-in-serious-trouble/?utm_term=.db5177bdfc52 …

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Antarctic ice loss has tripled in a decade. If that continues we are in serious trouble. washingtonpost.com
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The east coast of the United States is particularly vulnerable because of gravity. We don’t normally think of ice and gravity together, but the volume of ice in the Thwaites and Pine Island glaciers is so huge, it exerts a gravitational tug on the waters of the Atlantic Ocean, drawing some to that area just as the moon affects the tides. If those glaciers melt, the effect on the east coast will be amplified by 25%.

Rob DeConto, a professor of climatology at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, tells The Atlantic, “This should get people’s attention, especially here in North America. This little hook where the ice is going into the ocean, it’s at the worst possible place in terms of its impacts on North America. For every centimeter [of sea-level rise] from West Antarctica, Boston feels one and a quarter centimeters. And that extends down the East Coast.”

An Anomaly Exploited

The professional climate deniers funded by the Koch brothers  and the fossil fuel industry 🐉🦕 🦖 have seized on an anomaly in the data to claim all this melting ice emergency is just a bunch of hooey cooked up by climate scientists eager to keep the research funding flowing. In East Antarctica, there has actually been an uptick in the thickness of the ice this century — proof, these charlatans proclaim, that the whole climate change thing is giant hoax.

The most recent data shows that trend had ended and a decrease in ice thickness had begun. “East Antarctica has begun to contribute to sea-level rise,” DeConto. “It’s actually become a source now. That’s where most of the ice is — it’s vastly bigger than West Antarctica.”

If West Antarctica ice melt can add over 4 feet to global ocean levels, what will the effect be if melting occurs in a part of Antarctica that is “vastly bigger?” The answer to that question seems painfully obvious. The video below makes the consequences clear.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/VbiRNT_gWUQ" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/VbiRNT_gWUQ</a>

Try to imagine what will happen when all the people who live in areas of the United States where rising sea levels will inundate their homes are forced to move. Will the people in the rest of the country welcome them with open arms? Will the United States even survive as a nation when large chunks of its territory sink below the waves?

Will this new study spark action to stop burning fossil fuels? It didn’t seem to have had much impact on the leaders of the G6   1 in Canada last week, who issued a weasel-worded statement about trying really, really hard to meet the goals of the Paris climate accords. And it certainly won’t have any effect on Charles and David Koch or the people who perseverate on Hillary’s emails.

If the history of humanity is any guide, the chances of the world coming to its senses to combat global warming any time soon are somewhere between slim and none. The only thing that will save us from ourselves is if combating climate change becomes profitable. Then and only then will the world as we know it have a chance of surviving.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/06/16/full-fledged-5-alarm-climate-emergency-in-antarctica/
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Re: Official Arctic, Antarctic and Worldwide Glaciers MELTING Thread ⏳
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2018, 03:37:39 PM »
Agelbert NOTE: If you have a few minutes to hear what the top scientists out there are saying to each other about our climate change situation, check this radio program out from Radio Echoshock. Basically, they are appealing to philanthropists because scientists are convinced that governments are living in "we'll think of something" happy talk la la land.

Posted on June 6, 2018

SNIPPET 1:

Welcome to Radio Ecoshock. Later I’ll be talking with NASA scientist Matt Rodell about a new map of future Earth in a changed climate. Meanwhile, many European countries had the hottest May in over a hundred years or more. It’s hot and stormy, with hundreds of thousands of lightening strikes. But first this.

MICHAEL MIELKE: CLIMATE EMERGENCY, ECO-EMERGENCY

Are you already experiencing extreme climate change? We are. Around here, the new greatest record flood ever was just subsiding from homes and downtown streets – when the wildfires began. We had 90 degree heat in May (32 degrees C), in Canada. In the last few days mosquitoes have driven everyone inside. We don’t get mosquitoes here. Listeners in the American mid-West, the East Coast, and people around the world know what I’m talking about. We are getting worn down, and the real impacts of climate change are still ahead.

Why are world leaders still talking about 1.5 degrees C global warming as though that was still possible? Why is the American government calling it all a hoax? Why isn’t the media warning everyone, every day?

With too many questions I can’t answer, I called up a lifeline. Micheal Mielke calls himself a “Cultural Transformation Engineer”. He was the Executive Director for a movement that became the Coastal Wetlands Planning, Protection and Restoration Act for Louisiana and the Gulf Coast, passed by Congress.

SNIPPET 2:

THE CORPORATE WORLD 💵 🎩 – SILENT PARTNERS 🙉 🙊 TO CLIMATE CATASTROPHE 🏴‍☠️

Disney Corporation and ABC shut down the Roseanne Barr show, due to her racist Tweets. It took them just a few hours to do it. But all the major media companies rake in billions of advertising dollars promoting gas-burning cars and trucks designed to emit greenhouse gases for at least another 20 years. What’s wrong with that picture?  >:(

We can understand why the Koch Brothers bribe politicians, or at least fund their elections, to keep their oil profits rolling in. But what about the other corporations? Their investors and CEO’s have kids who need a livable future. So do their customers. Why can’t corporate America, corporate Europe, or Japan, or business everywhere plan for salvation of the climate and the species?

DRAGON AND DELUSIONS

In May 2018 Michael and the Association for the Tree of Life released a new ebook titled “Climate and Ecological Delusions and Contradictions That Will Rapidly End Humanity 🏴‍☠️ …Unless…”It is free to anyone online. The MAHB site at Stanford immediately published a shorter summary piece, and Resilience.org picked it up too.

We Are All in the Clutches of the Delusion Dragon
 
It’s time to accept that we are not going to dislodge the entrenched interests holding back effective action on looming climate chaos by any means tried so far. Believing that 97% of credible scientists is consensus enough is 103% short for effective response.

KEVIN ANDERSON AND THE AMERICA CLIMATE EMERGENCY SUMMIT THAT NEVER WAS…

Many of my scientific guests, including Kevin Anderson, point to plenty of delusions and contradictions. But as Michael tells us, science alone cannot disable the suicide switch built into this civilization. The Chair of ATL met with Dr. Kevin Anderson at the Paris Climate Summit in 2015. Michael told me in an email:

“Following that, we were involved with a large effort, coordinated with Bernie Sanders during the campaign, (Bernie twice mentioned “mobilizing for climate” during the campaign), to have a “climate summit,” during the first 100 days of a Clinton Administration.

Russell Green was the key person, and he had over 20,000 people and organizations behind him (including our ATL), and with Clinton’s agreement and Sander’s causing it to happen, the Democratic Platform contained that Climate Summit. I asked Kevin to chair the Summit from the scientific perspective, and he agreed.”


Of course, when Donald Trump 🦀 was elected, the American emergency Climate Summit never happened, and the Donald withdrew the United States from the Paris Climate Accord. A world-changing opportunity was missed, with costs too big to calculate.

Full free podcast interview:

https://www.ecoshock.org/2018/06/calling-a-lifeline.html
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Re: Official Arctic, Antarctic and Worldwide Glaciers MELTING Thread ⏳
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2018, 09:18:11 AM »

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/orthographic=-63.17,84.63,545/loc=-169.856,85.598
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Huples Cat Emergency Preparedness Lifestyle ⏳
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2018, 02:47:21 PM »
Agelbert NOTE: This is a refreshingly objective analysis of Guy McPherson's prediction and the actual threats to civilization from Catastrophic Climate Change.

Global Glacier, Arctic and Antarctic Ice decline, CO2 pollution and global dimming are covered factually.

Denier myths like "a new ice age is coming because the sun is getting weaker" and "human civilzation (i.e. burning fossil fuels) caused GHG emissions are not warming the atmosphere" baloney exposed with facts.

This man is a prepper with all his scienctific facts ducks in a row. He backs what he says with scientifc data.

He agrees that civilization collapse is near but he does NOT agree that it will happen on Guy's timetable. 

It is well worth the 30 minutes of this video to listen to him and view his slide presentation.

Society to COLLAPSE September 2018...Probably
 

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/YuBPgLJmyt8&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/YuBPgLJmyt8&fs=1</a>

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Published on Jun 11, 2018

Guy McPherson believes industrial global society will probably collapse this September (in three months!)
This will lead to an abrupt rise in global temperatures due to global dimming being turned off and the extinction of all humans by 2026 at the latest.

Super Climate Doomer or the only one who sees it as it is? You decide. Wide ranging talk here on this aspect of prepping.

If you decline to accept human caused climate change or if you embrace it this talk should offer you much food for thought.

I am intending to live and not doing much differently based on this news. Frankly I'll be shocked if it appears as predicted but if it does then it does.



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Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse on the Antarctic Ice Sheet ⏳
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2018, 06:06:54 PM »
Time to Wake Up: Polar Distress: Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (June 2018)

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Re: Official Arctic, Antarctic and Worldwide Glaciers MELTING Thread ⏳
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2018, 11:27:18 AM »
If you have a few minutes to hear what the top scientists out there are saying to each other about our climate change situation, check this radio program out from Radio Echoshock. Basically, they are appealing to philanthropists because scientists are convinced that governments are living in "we'll think of something" happy talk la la land.

Posted on June 6, 2018

SNIPPET 1:

Welcome to Radio Ecoshock. Later I’ll be talking with NASA scientist Matt Rodell about a new map of future Earth in a changed climate. Meanwhile, many European countries had the hottest May in over a hundred years or more. It’s hot and stormy, with hundreds of thousands of lightening strikes. But first this.

MICHAEL MIELKE: CLIMATE EMERGENCY, ECO-EMERGENCY

Are you already experiencing extreme climate change? We are. Around here, the new greatest record flood ever was just subsiding from homes and downtown streets – when the wildfires began. We had 90 degree heat in May (32 degrees C), in Canada. In the last few days mosquitoes have driven everyone inside. We don’t get mosquitoes here. Listeners in the American mid-West, the East Coast, and people around the world know what I’m talking about. We are getting worn down, and the real impacts of climate change are still ahead.

Why are world leaders still talking about 1.5 degrees C global warming as though that was still possible? Why is the American government calling it all a hoax? Why isn’t the media warning everyone, every day?

With too many questions I can’t answer, I called up a lifeline. Micheal Mielke calls himself a “Cultural Transformation Engineer”. He was the Executive Director for a movement that became the Coastal Wetlands Planning, Protection and Restoration Act for Louisiana and the Gulf Coast, passed by Congress.

SNIPPET 2:

DRAGON AND DELUSIONS

In May 2018 Michael and the Association for the Tree of Life released a new ebook titled “Climate and Ecological Delusions and Contradictions That Will Rapidly End Humanity 🏴‍☠️ …Unless…”It is free to anyone online. The MAHB site at Stanford immediately published a shorter summary piece, and Resilience.org picked it up too.

We Are All in the Clutches of the Delusion Dragon

It’s time to accept that we are not going to dislodge the entrenched interests holding back effective action on looming climate chaos by any means tried so far. Believing that 97% of credible scientists is consensus enough is 103% short for effective response.

KEVIN ANDERSON AND THE AMERICA CLIMATE EMERGENCY SUMMIT THAT NEVER WAS…

Many of my scientific guests, including Kevin Anderson, point to plenty of delusions and contradictions. But as Michael tells us, science alone cannot disable the suicide switch built into this civilization. The Chair of ATL met with Dr. Kevin Anderson at the Paris Climate Summit in 2015. Michael told me in an email:

“Following that, we were involved with a large effort, coordinated with Bernie Sanders during the campaign, (Bernie twice mentioned “mobilizing for climate” during the campaign), to have a “climate summit,” during the first 100 days of a Clinton Administration.

Russell Green was the key person, and he had over 20,000 people and organizations behind him (including our ATL), and with Clinton’s agreement and Sander’s causing it to happen, the Democratic Platform contained that Climate Summit. I asked Kevin to chair the Summit from the scientific perspective, and he agreed.”

Of course, when Donald Trump was elected, the American emergency Climate Summit never happened, and the Donald withdrew the United States from the Paris Climate Accord. A world-changing opportunity was missed, with costs too big to calculate.

Full free podcast 🔊interview:

https://www.ecoshock.org/2018/06/calling-a-lifeline.html

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It doesn't really matter. ExxonMobil's quarterly profits are apparently more important than the planet.

agelbert > Brent Jatko Bingo! They simply do not care. The following sea level rise is baked in. Absolutely nothing that is done, no matter how gigantic the effort, will stop this from happening.

That does not mean we should not try, but any Climate Change mitigating effort must be based on preserving the biosphere for future generations. It's too late to stop this and the next TWO generations from experiencing massive, worldwide Catastrophic Climate Change.

The timing of this sea level rise is still in question, but its inevitability, due to the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, is not.


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Steve Hanley > agelbert

Super response. Thanks. Love the graphic. And yes, it is happening no matter what we do. So depressing. But, you know.....Hillary's e-mails!!!!
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Antarctica Mantle Plume Piercing Through Lithosphere
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2018, 03:13:36 PM »
http://scienceofcycles.com/breaking-news-west-antarctica-mantle-plume-piercing-through-lithosphere-rising-at-surprisingly-rapid-rate/

I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world.
You don’t know what it is but its there, like a splinter in your mind

 

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