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Vienna’s Affordable Housing Paradise
« on: July 25, 2018, 08:44:20 AM »

Uwe Mauch has called Vienna “home” for more than 30 years. The 52-year-old Austrian journalist and writer lives in a subsidized apartment in the north of the European city, in one of the many low-cost housing complexes built around leafy courtyards by the municipal government.

Mauch pays 300 euros, or the equivalent of $350, a month in rent for his one-bedroom apartment ― only 10 percent of his income.

“It’s great ― I’m really happy living here,” he says. “I like all the green space right outside my window. When people from other countries visit, they can’t believe it’s so nice and also so cheap.”


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/vienna-affordable-housing-paradise_us_5b4e0b12e4b0b15aba88c7b0
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Re: Vienna’s Affordable Housing Paradise
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2018, 10:15:32 AM »

Uwe Mauch has called Vienna “home” for more than 30 years. The 52-year-old Austrian journalist and writer lives in a subsidized apartment in the north of the European city, in one of the many low-cost housing complexes built around leafy courtyards by the municipal government.

Mauch pays 300 euros, or the equivalent of $350, a month in rent for his one-bedroom apartment ― only 10 percent of his income.

“It’s great ― I’m really happy living here,” he says. “I like all the green space right outside my window. When people from other countries visit, they can’t believe it’s so nice and also so cheap.”


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/vienna-affordable-housing-paradise_us_5b4e0b12e4b0b15aba88c7b0


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Most prominent are the superblock projects such as Rabenhof, Sandleitenhof and Karl-Marx Hof. With each boasting more than 1,000 housing units, these vast structures introduced a certain kind of luxury into the city. The superblocks were much less dense than the existing urban fabric; each of the buildings was organised around green, spacious courtyards and community facilities such as theatres, cinemas, libraries, kindergarten, schools, bathing and laundry facilities.

Pic from Huff Post, text from The Guardian.  Quite a bone to chew on, no time.
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Re: Vienna’s Affordable Housing Paradise
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2018, 10:46:30 AM »
I already wrote a response to this...Maybe I didn't post it correctly, let me say it again.



Why is this old white guy smiling?

Because in Vienna he can make $3500 per month and the government still picks up 75% of his rent.

Because:

https://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/austria


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Re: Vienna’s Affordable Housing Paradise
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2018, 10:55:27 AM »
Socialism works out so much better when the populations are homogeneous along racial and religious lines, and ethnic minorities are not courted shamelessly for votes (yet).

Austria is 96% white, and 74% Catholic.

QED

No wonder Austrians aren't thrilled about immigration.
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Re: Vienna’s Affordable Housing Paradise
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2018, 11:58:49 AM »
Karl-Marx Hof......LMFAO.
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Re: Vienna’s Affordable Housing Paradise
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2018, 12:22:40 PM »
Karl-Marx Hof......LMFAO.

Winner-winner, chicken dinner. You caught that. hah....
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Re: Vienna’s Affordable Housing Paradise
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2018, 06:29:57 PM »
Socialism works out so much better when the populations are homogeneous along racial and religious lines, and ethnic minorities are not courted shamelessly for votes (yet).

Austria is 96% white, and 74% Catholic.

QED

No wonder Austrians aren't thrilled about immigration.

Wheeee.... that sounds like a rephrase of "muliticulturalism doesnt work". I dont think you mean the white residents in Karl Marx Hof have to worry about the smell of curry wafting down the hallway, or their cat and dog going missing around the time chinese neighbors cook chow mein. Its that immigrants dont contribute taxes to support the cheap housing and turn it into an ambulance or police car no go zone right? Thats apparently happening in some places where there is mass refugee exodus with no skills or prospects, but plenty of warzone trauma. Its not the type of immigration more and more requiring you bring a lot of skill or money and producing residents who are harder working than local population if anything.

The journo paying cheap rent is also getting something back for his taxes, and can get judged on something other than the house he lives in. Not bad things to me.

« Last Edit: July 27, 2018, 07:01:23 PM by Agent Graves »
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Re: Vienna’s Affordable Housing Paradise
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2018, 10:14:10 AM »
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their cat and dog going missing around the time chinese neighbors cook chow mein.

Chinese immigrant's aren't brown.  They have plenty of green.

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Re: Vienna’s Affordable Housing Paradise
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2018, 10:27:29 AM »
I still have not had time to dig into why Vienna has housing that works. But I see nobody else has.  I do know the history is long and complex. Wars and socialism had something to do with it.  Government is not subsidizing to keep prices down.  People still pay for what it takes to pay for and keep property up but that part of the equation is so far divorced from reality in America that people actually think 20 tons of wood and cement is worth a million dollars when nailed together and painted.

We live in a country where a giant 'Diner' is worth billions as evidenced by poor Mark distress.  People have no sense of true value.




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Re: Vienna’s Affordable Housing Paradise
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2018, 11:13:14 AM »

The road to ruin is swift and in a land where value is lost and distortions prevail, the crash can not be anything but hard.


Actually FB is a cheap imitation of the Diner.

If the Diner were to start accepting advertising, we could raise revenue running into the hundreds of dollars.
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Re: Vienna’s Affordable Housing Paradise
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2018, 01:11:52 PM »
Virtually ALL housing is state subsidized in Austria, according to this source.

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The Viennese model of affordable housing is distinguished, first, by its expanded definition of social housing. Where New York’s public housing developments are islands of poverty in a sea of private-market housing, the majority of Vienna’s residents (60%) live in subsidized apartments, including both city-owned flats and limited profit housing associations. In a chapter in Social Housing in Europe [pdf], Christoph Reinprecht summarizes the Austrian approach to social housing as follows: "There is a general political consensus that society should be responsible for housing supply, and that housing is a basic human need that should not be subject to free market mechanisms; rather, society should ensure that a sufficient number of dwellings are available."

Vienna’s Municipal Department 50 owns more than 220,000 apartments, over one-quarter of the city’s total housing stock. (Compare this to New York, where the NYCHA owns 8.2% of all rental properties.) Vienna’s public housing program began during the era of social democratic rule known as Red Vienna. Between 1924 and 1933, the municipal government built 61,175 apartments in 42 housing developments, which were distributed throughout the city to encourage interaction among social classes, and were remarkable for their combination of social innovations and high-quality design. Though the fascist government dismantled the public housing program—and intentionally damaged the existing settlements—it restarted almost immediately after World War II, and has since remained a municipal priority.



Public housing in Vienna is financed primarily by federal funds. According to Vienna Housing Research’s Wolfgang Förster [pdf], the city receives approximately €450 million per year from earmarked portions of income and corporate taxes as well as housing contributions paid by all working Austrians. Municipal monies make up for any shortfall. Unlike in the United States, the vast majority of Austrian housing subsides (92%) are object- rather than demand-side, meaning that they apply to housing construction rather than individuals. Four-fifths of all new housing built in Austria, both privately and publicly owned, is subsidized by public funds. Only second homes and the most expensive houses and apartments are ineligible for subsidy.

Vienna’s public housing program modulates the private housing market. Because so much of the city’s total housing stock is city-owned or subsidized, private landlords compete with social housing for the same tenants, and cannot afford to inflate rents. At the same time, the fact that majority of the population lives in municipal or subsidized housing means that the social stigma attached to public housing in the United States does not apply.

Vienna’s public housing program provides affordable homes to a majority of the city’s population without sacrificing architectural quality. The city distributes housing subsidies for large-scale developments through a process known as Bauträgerwettbewerbe, or developers’ competition. A jury comprising representatives of the city as well as architects, builders, and specialists in housing law chooses designs based not just on economy, but also quality and ecological impact. The competitions have cut construction costs by roughly 20%, and encourage creative themes, such as the Autofreie Mustersidlung, or car-free estate, or the Frauen-Werk-Stadt, a family-friendly community designed by women architects.



The Vienna model is not without its flaws. Though it effectively mitigated the early-twentieth-century housing crisis, the top-down implementation of the program drew resentment from workers. It is still arguably not as democratic as it could be; while Municipal Department 50 is committed to involving designers and academics in the planning process, there appears to be little room for citizen participation.

In theory the city’s mixed-income housing developments should encourage social mixing at the neighborhood level. In practice, the recent trend is toward segregation, especially, as Reinprecht points out, of immigrants. Newly-arrived families and the elderly increasingly inhabit the older estates, while younger, Austria-born families gravitate toward the newer housing developments. Thus while Vienna’s public housing program may have bettered social cohesion within the city as a whole, a closer look at settlement patterns reveals tensions that have the potential to undo some of its gains.

Finally, the very success of Vienna's social housing program poses a threat to its continued existence. As the city's high quality of life, bolstered by the availability of affordable housing, attracts additional residents, pressure on housing stock increases. The city has already begun to rely on public-private p


https://charterforcompassion.org/shareable-community-ideas/public-housing-works-lessons-from-vienna-and-singapore
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Re: Vienna’s Affordable Housing Paradise
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2018, 01:59:17 PM »
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Social housing in Vienna has been widespread since the 1920s when the post-war municipality, led by the Social Democrats, began building high-density estates all over the city ― typically six- to eight-story apartment blocks with communal green spaces. Today, anyone earning up to $53,225 a year after taxes is eligible to apply for a subsidized apartment in Vienna in a country where the median gross annual income is about $31,500.

This is from the original article. 

Good what I wrote caused Eddie to cough up the goods.  But what is a subsidy?  What I wrote is twisted but...

If the general population qualifies for subsidized housing they are paying their way.  The smiling journalist pays taxes and at his 3000 euros a month gives him an income of 36000 euros which is above the national median.  He is actually paying for his flat and some of the tax on the 4500 euros above the median is going to subsidize the digs of someone else.  More equality, more happiness, everybody is better off.   

If the national debt clock is a problem subsidies must be reduced and taxes must not.  Should corporate taxes be part of the mix? That is more complicated.  I'm thinking no.

At the end of the day if everyone has decent digs it is a better system than ours.  Which is none at all.

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Re: Vienna’s Affordable Housing Paradise
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2018, 05:47:53 PM »
I still have not had time to dig into why Vienna has housing that works. But I see nobody else has.  I do know the history is long and complex. Wars and socialism had something to do with it.  Government is not subsidizing to keep prices down.  People still pay for what it takes to pay for and keep property up but that part of the equation is so far divorced from reality in America that people actually think 20 tons of wood and cement is worth a million dollars when nailed together and painted.



Ah, your'e starting to see. Instead of one weekend where the whole community gets together and erects a new house like for instance the Amish or Native peoples did, todays debt slave has his whole working life of about 40 years to be under strict control. He/she must behave and stay within the lines, or they will lose what they have to show for their lifes work at any time. So the mcmansion under mortgage is really a prison while being on parole.

The million dollar valuation depends on demand by overpopulation by the way. Let that sink in, in light of black swans and horsemen, so my stead is my swansong.

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Re: Vienna’s Affordable Housing Paradise
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2018, 06:18:33 PM »
You think we have debt slavery now. Wait until UBI for the chip kicks in.
I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world.
You don’t know what it is but its there, like a splinter in your mind

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Re: Vienna’s Affordable Housing Paradise
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2018, 06:23:07 PM »

The road to ruin is swift and in a land where value is lost and distortions prevail, the crash can not be anything but hard.


Actually FB is a cheap imitation of the Diner.

If the Diner were to start accepting advertising, we could raise revenue running into the hundreds of dollars.

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"And do you know whence this sort of fellow gets his sulk? not from life; for he's often too much of a recluse or else too young to have seen anything of it.  No, he gets it from some of those old plays he sees on the stage, or some of those old books he finds up in garrets.  Ten to one, he has lugged home from auction a musty old Seneca, and sets about stuffing himself with that stale old hay; and , thereupon, thinks it looks wise and antique to be a croaker, thinks it's taking a stand way above his kind <-- Herman Melville, 'The Confidence Man

I'm older than Zukerberg and I don't know what I mean by the above.  I just found it straightening out my library and thought it was cool.
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