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WHAT DO WE REALLY KNOW?
« on: August 05, 2018, 05:27:15 AM »
Most provocative article I'v read today. But it's still early. The writer throws a lot of stuff at the wall, and it reads like late Ted Kaczynski. As yes, I know, long AF. But it addresses one of the subjects often in discussion here: how do we know what we know, and what do we really know about it? One ought to question everything. Old time journos were taught, "If your mother says she loves you, check out out."

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This is the only life we get. Time is our total capital. Why waste it allowing our potential, our scope of awareness, our personality, our values to be shaped, crafted, and boxed up according to the whims of the mass panderers? There are many important issues that are crucial to our physical, mental, and spiritual well-being which require time and study. If itís an issue where money is involved, objective data wonít be so easy to obtain. Remember, if everybody knows something, that image has been bought and paid for.

Real knowledge takes a little effort, a little excavation down at least one level below what ďeverybody knows.Ē

Pitch perfect for the Diner Forum.

The Doors of Perception: Why Americans Will Believe Almost Anything

The Doors of Perception: Why Americans Will Believe Almost Anything

By Tim O’Shea

August 04, 2018 "Information Clearing House" - Aldous Huxley’s inspired 1954 essay detailed the vivid, mind-expanding, multisensory insights of his mescaline adventures. By altering his brain chemistry with natural psychotropics, Huxley tapped into a rich and fluid world of shimmering, indescribable beauty and power. With his neurosensory input thus triggered, Huxley was able to enter that parallel universe glimpsed by every mystic and space captain in recorded history. Whether by hallucination or epiphany, Huxley sought to remove all bonds, all controls, all filters, all cultural conditioning from his perceptions and to confront Nature or the World or Reality first-hand – in its unpasteurized, unedited, unretouched infinite rawness.

Those bonds are much harder to break today, half a century later. We are the most conditioned, programmed beings the world has ever known. Not only are our thoughts and attitudes continually being shaped and molded; our very awareness of the whole design seems like it is being subtly and inexorably erased. The doors of our perception are carefully and precisely regulated.

It is an exhausting and endless task to keep explaining to people how most issues of conventional wisdom are scientifically implanted in the public consciousness by a thousand media clips per day. In an effort to save time, I would like to provide just a little background on the handling of information in this country. Once the basic principles are illustrated about how our current system of media control arose historically, the reader might be more apt to question any given story in today’s news.

If everybody believes something, it’s probably wrong. We call that

CONVENTIONAL WISDOM

In America, conventional wisdom that has mass acceptance is usually contrived. Somebody paid for it. Examples:

        Pharmaceuticals restore health
        Vaccination brings immunity
        The cure for cancer is just around the corner
        Menopause is a disease condition
        Childhood is a disease condition
        When a child is sick, he needs immediate antibiotics
        When a child has a fever he needs Tylenol
        Hospitals are safe and clean
        America has the best health care in the world.
        Americans have the best health in the world.
        The purpose of Health Care is health.
        Milk is a good source of calcium.
        You never outgrow your need for milk.
        Vitamin C is ascorbic acid.
        Aspirin prevents heart attacks.
        Heart drugs improve the heart.
        Back and neck pain are the only reasons for spinal adjustment.
        No child can get into school without being vaccinated.
        The FDA thoroughly tests all drugs before they go on the market.
        Pregnancy is a serious medical condition
        Infancy is a serious medical condition
        Chemotherapy and radiation are effective cures for cancer
        When your child is diagnosed with an ear infection, antibiotics should be given immediately ‘just in case’
        Ear tubes are for the good of the child.
        Estrogen drugs prevent osteoporosis after menopause.
        Pediatricians are the most highly trained of al medical specialists.
        The purpose of the health care industry is health.
        HIV is the cause of AIDS.
        AZT is the cure.
        Without vaccines, infectious diseases will return
        Fluoride in the city water protects your teeth
        Flu shots prevent the flu.
        Vaccines are thoroughly tested before being placed on the Mandated Schedule.
        Doctors are certain that the benefits of vaccines far outweigh any possible risks.
        There is a terrorist threat in the US.
        The NASDAQ is a natural market controlled by supply and demand.
        Chronic pain is a natural consequence of aging.
        Soy is your healthiest source of protein.
        Insulin shots cure diabetes.
        After we take out your gall bladder you can eat anything you want
        Allergy medicine will cure allergies.
        Your government provides security.
        The Iraqis blew up the World Trade Center.
        Wikipedia is completely open, unbiased, and interactive

This is a list of illusions, that have cost billions to conjure up. Did you ever wonder why most people in this country generally accept most of the above statements?

PROGRAMMING THE VIEWER

Even the most undiscriminating viewer may suspect that TV newsreaders and news articles are not telling us the whole story. The slightly more lucid may have begun to glimpse the calculated intent of standard news content and are wondering about the reliability and accuracy of the way events are presented. For the very few who take time to research beneath the surface and who are still capable of abstract thought, a somewhat darker picture begins to emerge. These may perceive bits of evidence of the profoundly technical science behind much of what is served up in daily media.

Events taking place in today’s world are enormously complex. An impossibly convoluted tangle of interrelated and unrelated occurrences happens simultaneously, often in dynamic conflict. To even acknowledge this complexity contradicts a fundamental axiom of media science: Keep It Simple.

In real life, events don’t take place in black and white, but in a thousand shades of grey. Just discovering the actual facts and events as they transpire is difficult enough. The river is different each time we step into it. By the time a reasonable understanding of an event has been apprehended, new events have already made that interpretation obsolete. And this is not even adding historical, social, or political elements into the mix, which are necessary for interpretation of events. Popular media gives up long before this level of analysis.

Media stories cover only the tiniest fraction of actual events, but stupidly claim to be summarizing “all the news.”

The final goal of media is to create a following of docile, unquestioning consumers. To that end, three primary tools have historically been employed:

deceit
dissimulation
distraction

Over time, the sophistication of these tools of propaganda has evolved to a very structured science, taking its cues in an unbroken line from principles laid down by the Father of Spin himself, Edward L Bernays, over a century ago, as we will see.

Let’s look at each tool very briefly:


DECEIT

Deliberate misrepresentation of fact has always been the privilege of the directors of mass media. Their agents – the PR industry – cannot afford random objective journalism, interpreting events as they actually take place. This would be much too confusing for the average consumer, who has been spoonfed his opinions since the day he was born. No, we can’t have that. In all the confusion, the viewer might get the idea that he is supposed to make up his own mind about the significance of some event or other. The end product of good media is single-mindedness. Individual interpretation of events does not foster the homogenized, one-dimensional lemming outlook.

For this reason, events must have a spin put on them – an interpretation, a frame of reference. Subtleties are omitted; all that is presented is the bottom line. The minute that decision is made – what nuance to put on a story – we have left the world of reporting and have entered the world of propaganda. By definition, propaganda replaces faithful reporting with deceitful reporting.

Here’s an obvious example from the past: the absurd and unremitting allegations of Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction as a rationale for the invasion of Iraq. Of course none were ever found, but that is irrelevant. We weren’t really looking for any weapons – but the deceit served its purpose – get us in there. Later the ruse can be abandoned and forgotten; its usefulness is over. And nobody will notice. Characterization of Saddam as a murderous tyrant was decided to be an insufficient excuse for invading a sovereign nation. After all, there are literally dozens of murderous tyrants the world over, going their merry ways. We can’t be expected to police all of them.

So it was decided that the murderous tyrant thing, though good, was not enough. To whip a sleeping people into war consciousness has historically involved one additional prerequisite: threat. Saddam must therefore be not only a baby-killing maniac; he must be a threat to the rest of the world, especially America. Why? Because he has weapons of mass destruction. For almost two years, this myth was assiduously programmed into that lowest common denominator of awareness which Americans substitute for consciousness. Even though the myth has now been openly dismissed by the Regime itself, the majority of us still believe it.

Hitler used the exact same tack with the Czechs and Poles at the beginning of his rampage. These peaceful peoples were not portrayed as an easy mark for the German war machine – no, they were a threat to the Fatherland itself. Just like the unprovoked Chinese annihilation of the peaceful Tibetan civilization in the 1940s. Or like Albania in the Dustin Hoffman movie. Such threats must be crushed by all available force, under the pretext used by every strong nation in history to subjugate a weaker one.

With Iraq, the fact that UN inspectors never came up with any of these dread weapons before Saddam was captured – this fact was never mentioned again. That one phrase – WMD WMD WMD – repeated ad nauseam month after month had served its purpose – whip the people into war mode. It didn’t have to be true; it just had to work. A staggering indicator of how low the general awareness had sunk is that this mantra continued to be used as our license to invade Iraq long after our initial assault. If Saddam had any such weapons, probably a good time to trot them out would be when a foreign country is moving in, wouldn’t you say?

No weapons were ever found, of course, nor will they be. So confident was the PR machine in the general inattention to detail commonly exhibited by the comatose American people that they didn’t even find it necessary to plant a few mass weapons in order to justify the invasion. It was almost insulting. Now nobody asks any more. In 2010 a poll of US soldiers in Iraq showed 60% believed the Iraqis blew up the World Trade Center.

So we see that a little deceit goes a long way. All it takes is repetition. Lay the groundwork and the people will buy anything. After that just ride it out until they seem doubtful again. Then onto the next deceit.

SELLING WAR

Did you ever wonder how all the war leaders down through history were able to persuade armies of thousands as individuals to leave their homes and families and risk their lives for vague, obscure reasons? How do they sell that? How do you get people to go off to war?

With rare exceptions, it’s been the same formula right down the line: sell idealistic young men the lie of the glory of war, defending their country and home from some imaginary enemy, some contrived foreign threat, from a place of alien culture. Then any oppposition to the ‘war effort’ are then lily-livered, unpatriotic, etc. Patriotism – the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Hermann Goering summarized it eloquently at Nuremberg:
 

        ‘Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.’

      This technique holds true right up to the present time, intensified exponentially by the magnitude of incessant, pervasive online media. Worked great for Bush and Obama in their marketing of war.

      DISSIMULATION

      A second tool that is commonly used to create mass intellectual torpor is dissimulation. Dissimulation simply means to pretend not to be something you are. Like phasmid insects who can disguise themselves as leaves or twigs, pretending not to be insects. Or bureaucrats and who pretend not to be acting primarily out of self-interest, but rather in the public interest. To pretend not to be what you are.

      Public servant, indeed.

      Whether it’s the Bush/Obama in Iraq or Hitler in Germany, aggressors do not present themselves as marauding invaders initiating hostilities, but instead as defenders against external threats.

      Freedom-annihilating edicts like the Homeland Security Act and the Patriot Act – still the law of the land – do not represent themselves as the negation of every principle the Founding Fathers laid down, or as shaky pretexts for looting the country, but rather as public services, benevolent and necessary new rules to ensure our SECURITY against various imagined enemies. To pretend to be what you are not: dissimulation.

      Other examples of dissimulation we see today include:

          pretending like the world’s resources are not finite
          pretending like more and more government will not further stifle an already struggling economy
          pretending like programs favoring “minorities” are not just a different form of racism
          pretending like drug laws are necessary for national security
          pretending like passing more and more laws every year is not geared ultimately for the advancement of the law enforcement, security, and prison industries
          pretending there is a bioterrorist threat in the US today
          pretending there is a terrorist threat in the US today
          pretending the present regime has not benefited from every program that came out of 9/11

        To pretend not to be what you are: dissimulation.

        DISTRACTION

        A third tool necessary to media in order to keep the public from thinking too much is distraction. Bread and circuses worked for Caesar in old Rome. Marie Antoinette offered cake when there was no bread. The people need to be kept quiet while the small group in power carries out its agenda, which always involves fortifying its own position.

        Virtually all new policies of the regimes since 9/11 may be explained by plugging in one of four beneficiaries:

            Oil
            Pharmaceuticals
            War gear
            Security industry

          Every act, every political event, every bill introduced, every public statement of the present administration has promoted one or more of these huge sectors. More oil, more drugs, more weapons, more security.

          But the people mustn’t be allowed to notice things like that. So they must be smokescreened by other stuff, blatant obvious stuff which is really easy to understand and which they think has a greater bearing on their day to day life. A classic axiom of propaganda is that people shouldn’t be allowed to think too much about what the government is doing in their name. After all, there’s more to life than politics, right? So while the power group has its cozy little wars and agendas going on, the people need to have their attention diverted.

          All the strongmen of history would have given their eyeteeth to have at their disposal the number and types of distractions available to today’s regimes:

          TV sports, its orchestrated frenzy and spectacle, where the fix is usually in

      Super Sunday

      the endless succession of unspeakably boring, inane movies, short on plot, long on CGI, re-working the same 20 premises, over and over

      the wanton sexless flash of ‘talent shows’ with their uninspired lack of talent, a study in split second phony images

      colossally dull TV programs which serve the secondary purpose of instilling proper robot attitudes into people who have little other instruction in life values

      the artistic Mojave of modern music, with its soulless cyber-droning, a constant quest for the nadir of reptilian brain stimulation, devoid of lyrical competence, instrumental proficiency, or human passion

      the ever-retreating promise of financial success, switched now to the trappings and toys that suggest success, available to anyone with a credit card

      organized superstitions of all varieties, with their requisite pseudo-spiritual trappings

      the constant sensationalization of crimes and “issues” throughout the world whose collective goal is the humble and grateful acknowledgement of “how good we’ve really got it”

      dwelling for months on the minutiae of unsupported allegations of impropriety, preferably sexual, of a celebrity personality

      non-events presented as events, brought to life by media alone, employing one of the Big Three hooks: sex, blood, and racism

      With these ceaseless noisy, banal distractions, the forces promoting the general decline in intelligence and awareness jubilantly engulf us on all sides. Media science holds the advantage: as people get dumber and dumber year by year, it gets easier and easier to keep them dumb. The only challenge is that their threshold keeps getting lower. So in order to keep their attention, messages have to become more obvious and blatant, taking nothing for granted.


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The Lasting Trauma of Alex Jonesís Lies
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2018, 01:32:23 PM »
Reposting it because it belongs in this thread, and because the solution to pollution is dilution, as the old environmental scientists used to say. This will be of a piec ewith subsequent articles I have chosen for this thread.

The Lasting Trauma of Alex Jonesís Lies

The Lasting Trauma of Alex Jones’s Lies

The systems that have for so long helped to enforce the notion of collective truth in America are no longer sufficient: Deception is everywhere. And it is dangerous.

Lucas Jackson / Reuters / Katie Martin / The Atlantic

This week,the new york timesreported that Alex Jones,InfoWarsfounder and professional peddler of lies, is seeking more than $100,000 in court costs from the family of Noah Pozner, one of the 20 children who were murdered in the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012. Jones is seeking that amount to recover the court costs involved with his legal defense: Veronique De La Rosa and Leonard Pozner, Noah’s mother and father, sued Jones for defamation because of the conspiracy theories he spread about the Sandy Hook murders. Jones insisted that the kids’ deaths were a great hoax, a performance staged by gun-control activists backed by the American government. As a result of that, Noah Pozner’s family says, they have been stalked and subjected to death threats by Jones’s legions of epistemically gullible yet digitally savvy followers—a fact that has, doxxing by doxxing, forced them to move seven times over the past five years, ever farther away from the body of their slain son.

To reiterate: Alex Jones is seeking money from the parents of a murdered child because of a series of lies that have cruelly compounded the family’s suffering since the initial tragedy—lies that Jones, himself, has spread.

There was once a time when the people who think about such things lamented the rise of information silos and filter bubbles and echo chambers: the newfound ability for people to choose their own adventures when it comes to the types of information they consume. Those concerns remain; they also, these days, seem decidedly quaint. Competing truths—“alternative facts”—are no longer the primary threat to American culture; competing lies are. Everything was possible and nothing was true: Conspiracies now smirk and smog in the air, issued from the giant smokestacks atInfoWarsandTheGateway Punditand the White House itself. Hannah Arendt warned of the mass cynicism that can befall cultures when propaganda is allowed to proliferate among them; that cynicism is here, now. And it is accompanied by something just as destructive: a sense of pervasive despair. Americans live in a world of information pollution—and the subsequent tragedy of this new environmental reality is that no one has been able to figure out a reliable method of clearing the air.

The summer of 2018, even more stormy and even more Stormy than a typical one, has also been termed “the summer of scam.” It’s a title that nods to the popularity of stories about the grifters who lurk among us: Anna Delvey,Elizabeth Holmes, the “Con Queen of Hollywood,” and, in a broader sense, the smooth purveyors of “wellness” who balk at the notion of fact-checking and serve as reminders of how readily snake oil can dissolve in the water we all swim in. But the title is also partially sardonic: The scam, of course, is not a seasonal thing. It is thoroughly evergreen. The country’s current leader built his political reputation ona racist lie. He was elected, quite possibly, with the help of untruths that were designed, specifically, to go viral. Trolls, of foreign vintage and homegrown, proliferate, virtually unchecked, on Twitter and Facebook, and Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg and their fellow members of the small fraternity who are responsible for Americans’ new digital infrastructureshave  proven themselves, again and again, to be at a loss for how to combat them. And for good reason: As Kevin Roose, a technology reporter forThe New York Timesrecently put it, “How the hell do you build something that can accurately and completely rid a platform of misinformation that has 2 billion people on it?”

Sean Hannity, last year, spent weeks peddling falsehoods about the death of Seth Rich on Fox News; he faced,effectively, no repercussions. Members of the American media engage in al ong debate about whether to refer to the stuff that spews from the mouth and the iPhone keyboard of the president as “baseless claims” or “misleading statements” or “lies.” Meanwhile, the untruths proliferate, heating the atmosphere and making it, day by day, just a little bit harder to breathe. In a press briefing this week, the White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sandersimplied—based on a thoroughly debunked urban myth—that the press, in reporting on intelligence about Osama bin Laden in the late ’90s, might have an indirect responsibility for 9/11. Sean Spicer, who preceded Sanders as an issuer of such inaccuracies from the White House briefing room, is currently engaged in an ebullient cross-country book tour promoting the memoir he was contracted to produce in part because he proved to be so entertaining as he spouted his lies.Slate, tapping into the zeitgeist, recently offered an extensive explainer about the nuanced differences between the grifter and the grafter.

This summer, Michiko Kakutani, the celebrated former chief book critic ofThe New York Times, released her book The Death of Truth: Notes on Falsehood in the Age of Trump.The volume offers, despite its slight length, an impassioned argument about what is at stake when the president’s disregard for empirical reality is allowed to trickle down to the rest of us—how easily Americans could descend into the epistemic chaos that so easily becomes the breeding ground for autocrats and despots and tyrants. Kakutani’s gathered elements of wisdom—from George Orwell, from Hannah Arendt, from Jacques Derrida, from F. Scott Fitzgerald, fromFight Club—are infused, finally, with anguish: What, truly, can be done about this? What happens when the lies become environmental?

The Death of Truthhas been criticized in some quarters for its tendency to diagnose the problems of a post-truth world rather than offer solutions to them; you could read the diagnosis itself, however, as its own revealingly sad conclusion. The questions that infuse Kakutani’s work, after all, are repeated in several otherrecent booksthat grapple with the power of lies. Books with telling titles like, yes, Post-TruthAnd Truth Decay:An Initial Exploration of the Diminishing Role of Facts and Analysis in American Public Life. And Gaslighting America: Why We Love It When Trump Lies to Us. And On Truth, with its simple title reading, revealingly, as its own rebuke to the status quo.

The books are building on the fact that Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four and Arendt’s The Origins of Totalitarianism have been enjoying a resurgence on Amazon—a popular attempt to grapple with the new state of things, before it becomes irrevocably solidified into Americans’ habits of thought and heart. “Ironically, at a time when the president’s supporters mock liberal sensitivities,”The Washington Post’s book critic, Carlos Lozada, notes, “Trump’s untruth sells best precisely when feelings and instincts overpower facts, when America becomes a safe space for fabrication.”

That space, as Lozada also points out, has been long in the making. Stephen Colbert, long before Donald Trump made good on his expressions of interest in a presidential run, mocked George W. Bush and his ilk for their belief that “we create our own reality.” Here’s how Colbert summarized his new and enduring coinage,the word truthiness, in 2005:

Now I’m sure some of the Word Police, thewordanistasover at Webster’s, are gonna say, “Hey, that’s not a word.” Well, anybody who knows me knows that I’m no fan of dictionaries or reference books. They’re elitist. Constantly telling us what is or isn’t true, or what did or didn’t happen. Who’s Britannica to tell me the Panama Canal was finished in 1914? If I wanna say it happened in 1941, that’s my right. I don’t trust books. They’re all fact, no heart.

There are some things that are more important than truth: This is one of the core premises of Trumpism, defined far before it occurred to the man in question to burnish his own presidential ambitions by questioning Barack Obama’s right to the same. The idea lurks in every new lie issued from the White House, in every new conspiracy theory that is moved into the mainstream discourse, in every new instance that “fake news” is summoned as a rebuttal or,worse, as a joke. P.T. Barnum’s crucial insight, as he stitched the desiccated head of a monkey onto the desiccated tail of a fish and insisted that his Frankenbeast was the shrunken corpse of a “FeeJee Mermaid,” was that people, on some level, like to be fooled. “Humbug,” as Barnum termed it, wasn’t merely a scam. It was also a game: an entertainment, adistraction. The kind of puzzle-at-scale that is reiterated when, for example, adherents of QAnon tell people that the “truth” of the world and its workings can be learned if only they “follow the White Rabbit.”

In her 2016 book the confidence game,an exploration of the minds and methods of con artists, Maria Konnikova argues that cons thrive, in particular, during times of transition—in the cultural chaos that typically results from the lurchings of economic and political shifts. That is because con artists are skilled above all, Konnikova notes, at “exploiting the sense of unease we feel when it appears that the world as we know it is about to change.” Now, in this time of American upheaval—populism, the digital transition, the storms of a stifled planet—con artists like Alex Jones have been given a microphone. And, with it, a megaphone.

Here is a headline that CBS News ran on Thursday: “Alex Jones’s Lawyer Makes Case Against Sandy Hook Parents Who Claim Death Threats.” It’s a summary of events that makes clear, in its concision, the upside-down moralities of the Jones case, which involves an attempt to gloss over the lies Alex Jones has told with normalizing legal niceties: arguments that his conspiracy theories are merely “opinion,” and that they therefore constitute speech protected by the First Amendment. Arguments that the parents of Noah Pozner, by virtue of their involvement in Sandy Hook as a news event, are public figures, and therefore required to prove that Jones spread false claims as a result of actual malice, rather than mere confusion or callousness or negligence.

Which is to say: arguments that suggest a tacit acknowledgement of how thoroughly lies have infiltrated the very systems that were developed, over time, to arbitrate truth in America. Arguments that engage in a great performance of equivalence: the lies on the one side of the table, the truths on the other. Arguments that participate, in that, in a somber metaphor for a time in which journalists are mocked as liars and threatened as theenemies of the people, and in which expertise is dismissed as elitism, and in which truth has been allowed to be treated not as the only thing that matters, but rather as a choice—an option that is often, beingall fact and no heart, an imposition.

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QAnon is terrifying. This is why.
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2018, 01:45:53 PM »
Scary only if you have a taste for evidence based reporting and a loathing for insecure people force-fed conspiracy and hate.

QAnon is terrifying. This is why.



QAnon is terrifying. This is why.

During President Trump’s rally on July 31, several attendees held or wore signs with the letter “Q.” Here’s what the QAnon conspiracy theory is about.(Amber Ferguson/The Washington Post)

“The Storm is coming,” say the conspiracy theorizers whose grotesque imaginings terrifiedthe country to attention this week. Maybe they’re right.

QAnon adherents encourage those seeking the truth to “follow the White Rabbit,” but it’s hard to hop down this hole without getting totally lost in their horrorland. The simplest description of the plot line goes something like this: President Trump isn’t under investigation; he is only pretending to be, as part of a countercoup to restore power to the people after more than a century of governmental control by a globalist cabal. Also, there are pedophiles.

A figure named “Q,” who supposedly possesses Q-level security clearance ,disperses “crumbs” that “bakers” bring together to create a “dough” of synthesized information. (This is not how baking works, but that seems the least of our worries.) Because Q is the 17th letter in the alphabet and 17 is also a number Trump has said a few times, among other clearly-not-coincidences, he is the real deal, not an Internet troll engaged in an elaborate example of live-action role-play.

It’s obvious that this is scary, but it’s less obvious exactly why. To start, the sheer scope of the supposed conspiracy should cause alarm. By combining the tales tinfoil-hatters have told over time, these truthers have packaged everything attractive about this type of propaganda in one tantalizing product. And that means more and more people will buy what they’re selling.

Then there’s QAnon’s path to prominence — from 4chan to 8chan to more mainstream sites such as YouTube and Twitter and, finally, to a Florida Trump rally and television screens across the nation. In the cesspools where the theory first flourished, registration is either not required or not possible, and the “rules,” such as they are, look nothing like the terms of service for a site like Facebook. The intelligentsia is already at odds over how the more-established entities should regulate themselves, or be regulated. It’s even harder to have that conversation about a site like 4chan or 8chan that eschews responsibility for its content entirely.

Now that it’s clear that what starts on the fringe doesn’t stay there, it is a real concern. QAnon’s lurch from online to off hasn’t manifested only in T-shirted ralliers wielding weird signs. Last week, a “baker” appeared outside Michael Avenatti’s office because Q sent him there. Others have started searching for child sex camps in the desert outside Tucson. A man in an armored truck blocked a bridge near the Hoover Dam demanding the release of a report that Q claimed the government was withholding. He had two guns.

What’s scariest of all, though, might be what motivates Trump’s base to believe in so byzantine a conspiracy. QAnon isn’t your average story of all-powerful actors exercising complete control over a helpless populace. This time, the heroes are already in charge and, still, the theorists see themselves as victims. Why, even with their man in the Oval Office, do they feel embattled?

One explanation has to do with the on-the-ground reality of this presidency. Perhaps the men and women who buy into this gibberish aren’t so confident that they’re in charge at all. The special counsel looks ever closer to proving ties between Trump and Russia and, in the meantime, Trump appears more erratic. If he really is under investigation and not just pretending to be, all his supporters’ hopes evaporate.

But this anxiety also ties into a more amorphous sense among these voters that, though the Republican Party controls Congress and the executive, the country is still rigged against them. Trumpism has always been about insecurity: As a candidate, the president played on the paranoia of Americans who thought the country they knew was being taken away from them — by immigrants, by an overreaching government, by adversaries overseas.

The “forgotten men and women of our country” didn’t stop feeling forgotten when their self-proclaimed avatar walked into the White House. There was too much dissent, too much doubt cast on his (and, by extension, their) legitimacy and ability to lead. Now, they’ll only be assuaged by the destruction of everything and everyone that stands in their way, through the mass arrest of those who they say connived against them and the installation of a state filled only with loyalists.

That’s what QAnon followers really want, after all. That’s where their “storm” motto comes from. Most Americans were puzzled when, in a meeting with military leaders months ago, Trump said, “You know what this represents? Maybe it’s the calm before the storm.” But these theorists thought they knew exactly what he was talking about. Trump was pointing at the officers’ uniforms.

The storm QAnon truthers predict will never strike because the conspiracy that obsesses them doesn’t exist. But while they wait for it, they’ll try to whip up the winds, and the rest of us will struggle to find shelter. QAnon is scary because it’s getting bigger, it’s scary because we don’t know how to stop it, and it’s scary because the people behind itwon’tbe stopped, and, until their illusory storm arrives, they won’t be satisfied.

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Re: QAnon
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2018, 03:00:48 PM »
So, really, whomever the hoaxster is who makes these stupid Q tapes or audios or whatever, is fomenting chaos and probably sitting back in his parents' basement and having a good laugh at our collective expense.

This is not free speech that should be protected, any more than Alex Jones making innuendos that sent some nutjob into a pizza restaurant with an AR-15 should be protected.

The little creep should be hunted down and tried for public endangerment...and more than that, should be outed for what he really  is, a clever little worm with a microphone and and computer and a job sweeping floors somewhere.

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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2018, 03:06:19 AM »
So, really, whomever the hoaxster is who makes these stupid Q tapes or audios or whatever, is fomenting chaos and probably sitting back in his parents' basement and having a good laugh at our collective expense.

This is not free speech that should be protected, any more than Alex Jones making innuendos that sent some nutjob into a pizza restaurant with an AR-15 should be protected.

The little creep should be hunted down and tried for public endangerment...and more than that, should be outed for what he really  is, a clever little worm with a microphone and and computer and a job sweeping floors somewhere.

Q anon is obviously DT himself. Aside from a lot of it sounding the same as his tweets, fotos posted are of inside the whitehouse, presidential pens and desks etc, not some basement. He slipped Vincent Fusca a fiver, maybe more. One thing is for sure, since the start with the  mexico wall bombshell. Trump looks for new markets and tosses everyone something, tinfoil market was ripe for the electoral taking.

I will bet anything u like, nobody can trace a timestamp of a q-anon post to when we know he was busy doing something else.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2018, 03:58:56 AM »
Never considered that. Could be, I suppose.
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2018, 08:26:46 AM »
So, really, whomever the hoaxster is who makes these stupid Q tapes or audios or whatever, is fomenting chaos and probably sitting back in his parents' basement and having a good laugh at our collective expense.

This is not free speech that should be protected, any more than Alex Jones making innuendos that sent some nutjob into a pizza restaurant with an AR-15 should be protected.

The little creep should be hunted down and tried for public endangerment...and more than that, should be outed for what he really  is, a clever little worm with a microphone and and computer and a job sweeping floors somewhere.

Don't be too sure that the laughter is coming from a parents basement and not from behind closed doors in an office building.  That is far more likely.  Consider that guy in the photograph.  Clean fitted T-Shirt with the perfect message.  Exactly 4 days growth of beard.  Not clean shaven, but no beard, is a huge hint.  A Navy Seal physique.  Look at his eyes, he's at work.  My money is you are looking at an agent provocateur.  My guess is he is one of the team that masquerades as a black hat anarchist on May Day when a few windows need to be smashed by the men in black who always escape.  Same supply chain that supplies the black outfits supplied that T-shirt I say.

As built as he is he could have helped stack up the plywood in the basement the day before a black hat attack so it was all ready to cover over smashed panes.  Time from breaking the windows to covering them with plywood was15 minutes the last time they did it, and that was a big fuck-up.  JSP didn't notice, I did.  I'm sure they won't make that mistake again.  A woman reporter did manage to get the cameras on the stack of plywood but it all had to be played off cool so nobody would get in trouble.  A different team got the plywood in place of course.  They probably just put the job on the building super and had it delivered from Home Depot.  But I digress, back to 'Q'.



Think about this.  This effort is beyond the capabilities of amateurs.  Basement mix tapes by kids my ass.  That said think of how many professionals could do national organization? 

The Koch Bros?


No

These operation require interaction with law enforcement.  Training exercises to the rank and file.  Nothing like post graduate seal teams practicing their response to terrorist mayhem to keep America safe and could you get that F ucking B ig I mbecile elephant out of that damn jar.  A private organization lets hope, does not yet have that kind of pull.

I'd like a jelly bean.

For years 'Q' who plays alpha dog grammar politics at Clusterfuck Nation has been regularly posting. http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/on-the-beach/#comment-362450

Is that a coincidence or something else?

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It could all wind up being whipped by the winds of justice.



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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2018, 09:02:51 AM »
I haven't actually watched any of the "material" and I have no ideas as to whether it would take pros to do it, so I'll admit to complete ignorance.

But...if it is the types you describe, are they just cowboys off the rez, trying to blow smoke for Trump because they like him? I thought the FBI hated Trump.

What's the motivation, if it's a black op?

I saw this, which is somewhat interesting. Check it out and tell me what your think.


https://www.vox.com/2018/8/8/17657800/qanon-reddit-conspiracy-data

Sounds like the Diner.

Maybe we need to invent a shadowy narrative. (I'm already thinking about what that might be like, LOL.)

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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2018, 12:44:55 PM »
I haven't actually watched any of the "material" and I have no ideas as to whether it would take pros to do it, so I'll admit to complete ignorance.

But...if it is the types you describe, are they just cowboys off the rez, trying to blow smoke for Trump because they like him? I thought the FBI hated Trump.

What's the motivation, if it's a black op?

I saw this, which is somewhat interesting. Check it out and tell me what your think.

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/8/17657800/qanon-reddit-conspiracy-data


^^^ This article is the shit. This, right here. Data, and cross-reference analysis. Not surprising that a handful of users put up most of the data (irony alert fully taken) but no one said Pareto was wrong.
A handful of yokels taking the rubes for a spin.

Great find.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2018, 11:20:55 PM »
I haven't actually watched any of the "material" and I have no ideas as to whether it would take pros to do it, so I'll admit to complete ignorance.

But...if it is the types you describe, are they just cowboys off the rez, trying to blow smoke for Trump because they like him? I thought the FBI hated Trump.

What's the motivation, if it's a black op?

I saw this, which is somewhat interesting. Check it out and tell me what your think.

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/8/17657800/qanon-reddit-conspiracy-data


^^^ This article is the shit. This, right here. Data, and cross-reference analysis. Not surprising that a handful of users put up most of the data (irony alert fully taken) but no one said Pareto was wrong.
A handful of yokels taking the rubes for a spin.

Great find.

Interesting they identified a core group of 200 leading a huge contingent of parrots.  The core group is too big to be chance but simple data analysis can't say who they are.  The article takes the position that a core group could be launched by a single person posting a cryptic list on the internet. 

Ridiculous.

People ignore cryptic shit.  Everybody is so overloaded with information that a conspiracy is not going to be launched by a cryptic spark from a list of clues that make you go WTF?  This thing is exactly the right size to be launched by a dedicated team.  The data presentation in the article is great but I'm not sure what conclusions to draw.

Trolls would follow the same track and a 20 man troll army with the right software could manage 10 identities each.  I'm totally speculating here.  I have never been part of a troll army so I'm guessing but thats what the data suggests to me.

Why?

Practice and spending budgeted money to keep the money coming is reason enough.  The world is not fair and everybody here, myself included, has a habit of thinking too much at times.  This is because some of us are gifted and because some of us are deranged.  We do in fact post in a venue which has a lot more viewers than the level of participation indicates.  That is not unusual for a forum so that aspect of the data set comes as no surprise.  'Commenters' are outliers who perhaps expect order and reason to the madness when there is none to be found perhaps more than most readers.  Way more than those who are not even looking for any for sure.  Readers always outnumbers posters by at least ten to one.  The size of that ratio says something.  What I don't know.



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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2018, 01:17:29 AM »
This topic has been read 83 times as of now. 11 posts from 4 commenters, whose own 'views' to reply would make up maybe half that. Lets say there are another 4 active participants who have not commented, they would have made up much of the rest of the 'views' or times it was read.
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