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Re: Who is Jordan Peterson? HINT: The Koch 🦕 Brothers fund him
« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2018, 12:23:30 AM »
Ashvin is a member of this forum.  It is a violation of our code of conduct to insult another member like this.

Where's the insult?  Fascist is just a label for a political belief system, like Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Socialist or Communist.  You can call me a Communist even though I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the Communist Party.  However, it's true that some aspects of my belief system are congruent with Communism.  Similarly, Watson's belief system has much in common with Fascism.  For one thing, he believes in Capitalism which is just Fascism with Window Dressing.  "Fascist Lite" so to speak.  For another, he's a Trumpovetsky supporter, which automatically makes him Fascistic.  Third, he is a Fundy Christian, which also is Fascist.  I am not insulting Watson if I call him a Fundy, it is what he is.  He believes the Bible is the literal Word of God, Jesus Christ was the Flesh & Blood Son of God, Noah saved all the animals in the world from a literal Flood, all of humanity descended from Adam & Eve, and the ONLY way to Eternal Salvation is through buying Jesus as the Son of God.  That is Fundy Christianity in a nutshell.

AG didn't even call Watson a Fascist though, just a Fascist Enabler.  Which given the positions he takes in his posting, he is.  Not a very effective enabler since he is such a failure as a blogger, but an enabler nonetheless.

The Diner has a full spectrum of political belief systems represented, there are Libertarians, Socialists, Fascists and Communists here to one extent or the other.  If you perceive a Diner to fit one of these categories, it's not an insult to label them as such.  It's just what you perceive as their political beliefs represented in their posting.

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Jordan Peterson’s federal funding denied, Rebel Media picks up the tab
« Reply #61 on: November 01, 2018, 12:28:04 AM »
https://thevarsity.ca/2017/05/01/jordan-petersons-federal-funding-denied-rebel-media-picks-up-the-tab/

Jordan Peterson’s federal funding denied, Rebel Media picks up the tab

Controversial psychology professor has funding proposal rejected for first time


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An Indiegogo campaign started by The Rebel Media, a conservative news and opinion website, has raised over $170,000 in support of U of T psychology professor Jordan Peterson after his funding proposal was denied for the first time in his career.

The decision was made by a currently-anonymous review committee from the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council (SSHRC), the postsecondary-based federal research funding agency. The names of this year’s committee members will be released on the SSHRC’s website once the review process is complete.

On Twitter, Peterson said his previous proposal to the same agency “received more funding than any other in the history of the U Toronto Psych Dept.”

This time, however, Peterson said his proposal received “an exceedingly low rating.”

According to an article in the National Post, Peterson is certain the recent controversy surrounding him is tied to the rejection of his proposal. Last fall, Peterson criticized Bill C-16, which adds “gender identity and gender expression to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination,” and voiced his concerns about non-binary pronouns and political correctness. He received a mixture of local and international support and criticism, including three rallies on campus and two warning letters from the university.

“Committees assess only the information contained in the application,” said Julia Gualtieri, Media Relations Adviser of SSHRC. “Dr. Peterson’s research proposal was reviewed by a committee of discipline-based, academic peers through an independent review process designed to ensure the highest standards of excellence and impartiality.”

SSHRC committee members are selected based on their “academic knowledge and standing in the discipline.” They further consider “gender, language, region and university size to ensure the committee is broadly reflective of Canadian academia.”

“In this particular case, the adjudication committee was comprised of Canadian academics in the relevant discipline,” Gualtieri said, referring to Peterson’s application. “SSHRC staff are responsible for facilitating the review process only and do not participate in the decision making.”

Peterson requested a total of $399,625 from SSHRC for five years of research. In a Rebel Media video, Peterson states that most of the research money was allotted to the “salary and tuition” of Peterson’s student researchers, with the rest going to research subjects, travel expenses for conferences, and computer equipment.

In the same video, Peterson explains he requested funding to continue researching how to improve the measurement and prediction of personality. Peterson’s team also plans on “assessing the relationship between personality and political belief: liberal, conservative, and now, politically correct,” noting that “it’s the first time the latter has been investigated scientifically.” The team also wants to improve “online interventions” like the Self Authoring Suite, which has “helped thousands of students get better grades and stay in school.”

Ezra Levant, founder and self-described “Rebel Commander” of The Rebel Media, spearheaded an Indiegogo campaign to raise the first year’s worth of funding, $73,325, for Peterson’s research team within a 30-day period. The Indiegogo project reached its goal in one day. The next goal was to raise an additional $82,325 to support the second year of research, which the campaign has also reached.

“That’s a very strong message in support of Prof. Peterson — and frankly, a rebuke of the government bureaucrats who denied him his grant,” Levant told The Varsity.

“The government’s reasons for rejecting Prof. Peterson’s grant request are secret,” Levant said. “But it is suspicions [sic] that the first time in his career his grant application has been rejected happens to coincide with his battle against political correctness.”

In the Rebel Media video, Peterson said he was contacted by other researchers whose works were “curtailed for what appear to be political reasons.”

Gualtieri said all committee members “must sign the Conflict of Interest and Confidentiality Agreement and must declare any conflicts of interests.” Members with a conflict of interest must leave the meeting room when discussing the applications in question and cannot make decisions about those applications.

“As part of the process, the competition for funding in question designated a committee of three independent observers who ensured that the merit review process was followed,” said Gualtieri. “All these stringent measures were employed for the most recent adjudication process, as with all SSHRC’s adjudication processes.”

Peterson declined to comment to The Varsity.
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Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« Reply #62 on: November 01, 2018, 04:21:38 AM »



Jordan Peterson’s federal funding denied, Rebel Media picks up the tab


Also a Lie

The headline is wrong...a deliberate fake news lie.

Somebody you don't like started a crowdfunding effort to replace money that is being taken away from JP because of efforts in academia to silence him because of what he says. Period. End of story.

Fake news is all about fake headlines, because that's all  morons read. RE, you know better.

Theres a reason I didn't take AG's post down. Then I would have been accused of censorship. I'd prefer to call him out in the broad daylight and expose his slanderous post for what it is......made up bullshit designed to tarnish the reputation of somebody he doesn't like.
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Re: Who is Jordan Peterson? HINT: The Koch 🦕 Brothers fund him
« Reply #63 on: November 01, 2018, 04:25:11 AM »
I agree with you, RE, someone calling me a fascist is a not a personal insult. However calling me a "serial liar" is no different than me calling you 'stupid' (I didn't even use that word). FWIW, I don't think either should be censored, but I also don't like out and out hypocrisy.

I'm glad you are willing to admit you are a Communist and therefore an Ideologue, much more than Surly and AG are willing to admit.

Similarly, Watson's belief system has much in common with Fascism.  For one thing, he believes in Capitalism which is just Fascism with Window Dressing.  "Fascist Lite" so to speak.

This absurdity speaks for itself.

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For another, he's a Trumpovetsky supporter, which automatically makes him Fascistic.

This is a falsity - the closest I come to "supporting" Trump is criticizing radical liberals who happen to be critics of Trump (I don't criticize them for criticizing Trump).

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  Third, he is a Fundy Christian, which also is Fascist.  I am not insulting Watson if I call him a Fundy, it is what he is.  He believes the Bible is the literal Word of God, Jesus Christ was the Flesh & Blood Son of God, Noah saved all the animals in the world from a literal Flood, all of humanity descended from Adam & Eve, and the ONLY way to Eternal Salvation is through buying Jesus as the Son of God.  That is Fundy Christianity in a nutshell.

Your ignorance of Christianity and theology in general shines through here as usual.

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Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« Reply #64 on: November 01, 2018, 04:29:33 AM »



Jordan Peterson’s federal funding denied, Rebel Media picks up the tab


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The headline is wrong...a deliberate fake news lie.

Somebody you don't like started a crowdfunding effort to replace money that is being taken away from JP because of efforts in academia to silence him because of what he says. Period. End of story.

Fake news is all about fake headlines, because that's all  morons read. RE, you know better.

Theres a reason I didn't take AG's post down. Then I would have been accused of censorship. I'd prefer to call him out in the broad daylight and expose his slanderous post for what it is......made up bullshit designed to tarnish the reputation of somebody he doesn't like.

I find it absolutely astonishing that RE posted this as a critique of Peterson (correct me if I'm wrong), when it actually serves as concrete evidence of everything we have been saying about the radical left and their ideologically-motivated, power-hungry schemes to silence or otherwise marginalize academics who criticize them.

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Re: Who is Jordan Peterson? HINT: The Koch 🦕 Brothers fund him
« Reply #65 on: November 01, 2018, 04:36:27 AM »

I'm glad you are willing to admit you are a Communist and therefore an Ideologue, much more than Surly and AG are willing to admit.

I didn't say I was a Communist.  I said I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the Communist Party, and that some of my beliefs are congruent with Communism.

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Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« Reply #66 on: November 01, 2018, 04:39:02 AM »



Jordan Peterson’s federal funding denied, Rebel Media picks up the tab


Also a Lie

The headline is wrong...a deliberate fake news lie.

Somebody you don't like started a crowdfunding effort to replace money that is being taken away from JP because of efforts in academia to silence him because of what he says. Period. End of story.

Fake news is all about fake headlines, because that's all  morons read. RE, you know better.

Theres a reason I didn't take AG's post down. Then I would have been accused of censorship. I'd prefer to call him out in the broad daylight and expose his slanderous post for what it is......made up bullshit designed to tarnish the reputation of somebody he doesn't like.

Where's the lie?  JPs federal funding was denied, and Rebel Media did start a crowdfunding effort to replace the money.  That was reported from several sources.

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Re: Who is Jordan Peterson? HINT: The Koch 🦕 Brothers fund him
« Reply #67 on: November 01, 2018, 05:05:25 AM »

I'm glad you are willing to admit you are a Communist and therefore an Ideologue, much more than Surly and AG are willing to admit.

I didn't say I was a Communist.  I said I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the Communist Party, and that some of my beliefs are congruent with Communism.

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You are correct - that's my fault for misreading.

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Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2018, 05:32:48 AM »
I'm debating whether I want to waste my time here anymore.

My writing doesn't seem to really help anybody.
Eddie,
Don't leave, I like your writing (don't see how you have the time) and somewhat identify with where you are. I am slightly older than you (65), a retired attorney who with my wife (another dam retired attorney) put our 4 kids through UCLA. We once owned a rental property in Austin (so I identify with your local) and I lived briefly in Houston (to flat and humid). You're a little more conservative than me, but Surly is a little more socialist; to each his own. It makes for interesting reading. I don't have nearly the time to read and respond as I'm running as fast as I can to my "farm" as self sufficient as possible. I like most of the commentary here. David has provided some very interesting articles (if ONLY I had the compliant spouse  :evil4:). Ashvin I think is a little crazy - but crazy is both interesting and informative. I figure the insults are just something everyone on the web does.
So don't leave, I for one think you write both interesting and informative pieces.
Thanks,
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Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« Reply #69 on: November 01, 2018, 06:09:57 AM »



Jordan Peterson’s federal funding denied, Rebel Media picks up the tab


Also a Lie

The headline is wrong...a deliberate fake news lie.

Somebody you don't like started a crowdfunding effort to replace money that is being taken away from JP because of efforts in academia to silence him because of what he says. Period. End of story.

Fake news is all about fake headlines, because that's all  morons read. RE, you know better.

Theres a reason I didn't take AG's post down. Then I would have been accused of censorship. I'd prefer to call him out in the broad daylight and expose his slanderous post for what it is......made up bullshit designed to tarnish the reputation of somebody he doesn't like.

Where's the lie?  JPs federal funding was denied, and Rebel Media did start a crowdfunding effort to replace the money.  That was reported from several sources.

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Oh, please. Don't you know how this shit works by now.

The lie is, and I quote :Rebel Media picks up the tab

So...whoever Rebel Media is, some right wing asshole presumably, they started a Crowdfunding Campaign.

Anybody can do this, and anybody who wants to can contribute, that's what crowdfunding is. So it's completely misleading to say that Rebel Media is paying JP.

Let me sort this out for you. Its very easy to understand.

A whole lot of people, the ones JP criticizes, are in fairly powerful positions in academia these days. So  they got his funding cut. 'And now they are making up lies to try to smear his character.

This is a pathetic last resort because his critics have completely failed to refute anything he says. It boils down to this. You can't win an argument with someone who is in possession of real facts that show that your argument is fallacious, and who is your intellectual equal or superior. Every time someone in the neo-Marixist identity politics crowd takes him on in public, they get crushed. Watch the videos.

So now they are trying (and they might tbe successful) to smear his reputation by slandering and libeling him. Trying to paint him as "alt-right" by association.

There is a saying, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". The critics are trying to say JP is a Rightie because righties love him. Let me explain why that doesn't matter.

What is going on, is that there is an INTERSECTION between JP's calm, reasoned, intellectually well-armed take-down of the Marxist academics, and the belief system of the extreme right wing.

Not hard to grok, when you realize that the VERY EXISTENCE of these hate groups has to do with a REACTION against the false narrative of the liberal parties in the US and Canada and elsewhere.

They weren't in ascendency a decade ago. They haven't just sprung up from spores like mushrooms after a big rain.

I keep trying to explain this...it's important.

The assholes are assholes, but they have some legitimate beefs. The left leaning academic commies ABANDONED The white working people in their rush to capture the votes of the ethnic minorities and "special people". They have created a culture that basically says if you were born brown, or you're gay, or you're a woman, that the rest of of us OWE you special consideration because of unfair discrimination against your special group.

So now, EVERYONE wants to be special. Why do you think Elizabeth Warren wanted to claim to be part Native American? Why do you think white people fake being black and join organizations that promote black causes?

I got real mad two days ago when Surly started to legitimize this smear campaign. Because that's exactly what it is, a smear campaign.

I love honest debate.

I have NO INTEREST in my name being associated with a site that perpetuates lies and character assassination.

Is that real clear?


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« Reply #70 on: November 01, 2018, 06:31:05 AM »
Thanks AJ and David, for making me feel like my writing is worth something. I do try to write things that help people.

I'm not even a conservative, really. These days anybody who criticizes the false narrative of the liberals is instantly labeled.

Conservative is the nicer label. Just as common is to be called a racist, a sexist, or a bigot.

I just voted a straight Democrat ticket. I favor universal healthcare, free university education, and dismantling the 1.2 million man US military.

Exactly how conservative does that make me?

I believe people have to do what they can with what they have, where they are. I know money greases the wheels in this world. I believe in saving money and making investments. It beats the shit out of starving in your old age. If that makes me conservative, well then, I'll own it.

I literally hate the Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Becks of the world. I hate the Trumps and the Paul Ryans and the Greg Abbotts.

So it sort of chaps my buns to be called conservative, frankly.
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« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2018, 07:56:22 AM »
I have NO INTEREST in my name being associated with a site that perpetuates lies and character assassination.

Is that real clear?

In that case, feel free to delete any post you think is a lie.  Is that real clear?

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« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2018, 08:59:12 AM »
I'm debating whether I want to waste my time here anymore.

My writing doesn't seem to really help anybody.
Eddie,
Don't leave, I like your writing (don't see how you have the time) and somewhat identify with where you are. I am slightly older than you (65), a retired attorney who with my wife (another dam retired attorney) put our 4 kids through UCLA. We once owned a rental property in Austin (so I identify with your local) and I lived briefly in Houston (to flat and humid). You're a little more conservative than me, but Surly is a little more socialist; to each his own. It makes for interesting reading. I don't have nearly the time to read and respond as I'm running as fast as I can to my "farm" as self sufficient as possible. I like most of the commentary here. David has provided some very interesting articles (if ONLY I had the compliant spouse  :evil4:). Ashvin I think is a little crazy - but crazy is both interesting and informative. I figure the insults are just something everyone on the web does.
So don't leave, I for one think you write both interesting and informative pieces.
Thanks,
AJ

I hate to break this to you AJ, but around these parts, (i.e. according to RE, Surly and AG), you are nothing but an uber-conservative, Trump-supporting, money-grubbing Capitalist/Fascist. You check a bunch of the boxes - you practiced law in the "FSOA", you owned property which you used to supplement your income, and you used all of those exploits to send 4 kids to a prestigious and expensive University. Being married to another one makes it that much worse  :P

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Re: Who is Jordan Peterson? HINT: The Koch 🦕 Brothers fund him
« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2018, 09:01:05 AM »
Ashvin is a member of this forum.  It is a violation of our code of conduct to insult another member like this.

Where's the insult?  Fascist is just a label for a political belief system, like Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Socialist or Communist.  You can call me a Communist even though I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the Communist Party.  However, it's true that some aspects of my belief system are congruent with Communism.  Similarly, Watson's belief system has much in common with Fascism.  For one thing, he believes in Capitalism which is just Fascism with Window Dressing.  "Fascist Lite" so to speak.  For another, he's a Trumpovetsky supporter, which automatically makes him Fascistic.  Third, he is a Fundy Christian, which also is Fascist.  I am not insulting Watson if I call him a Fundy, it is what he is.  He believes the Bible is the literal Word of God, Jesus Christ was the Flesh & Blood Son of God, Noah saved all the animals in the world from a literal Flood, all of humanity descended from Adam & Eve, and the ONLY way to Eternal Salvation is through buying Jesus as the Son of God.  That is Fundy Christianity in a nutshell.

AG didn't even call Watson a Fascist though, just a Fascist Enabler.  Which given the positions he takes in his posting, he is.  Not a very effective enabler since he is such a failure as a blogger, but an enabler nonetheless.

The Diner has a full spectrum of political belief systems represented, there are Libertarians, Socialists, Fascists and Communists here to one extent or the other.  If you perceive a Diner to fit one of these categories, it's not an insult to label them as such.  It's just what you perceive as their political beliefs represented in their posting.

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Ashvin, like Jordan Peterson, is also a Fascist Enabler, as well as a serial liar

If you and I called each other a serial liar I'm sure we could both handle it but we are talking Agelbert here.  Agelbert who has been warned repeatedly not to insult other Diners and who continues to flaunt rules.
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Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« Reply #74 on: November 01, 2018, 09:08:40 AM »



Jordan Peterson’s federal funding denied, Rebel Media picks up the tab


Also a Lie

The headline is wrong...a deliberate fake news lie.

Somebody you don't like started a crowdfunding effort to replace money that is being taken away from JP because of efforts in academia to silence him because of what he says. Period. End of story.

Fake news is all about fake headlines, because that's all  morons read. RE, you know better.

Theres a reason I didn't take AG's post down. Then I would have been accused of censorship. I'd prefer to call him out in the broad daylight and expose his slanderous post for what it is......made up bullshit designed to tarnish the reputation of somebody he doesn't like.

I find it absolutely astonishing that RE posted this as a critique of Peterson (correct me if I'm wrong), when it actually serves as concrete evidence of everything we have been saying about the radical left and their ideologically-motivated, power-hungry schemes to silence or otherwise marginalize academics who criticize them.

It does absolutely nothing of the sort.

You are ever so eager to engage in slash-and-burn rhetoric about the left, but are unable to remove the plank in your eye about the right.

Peterson's grant wasn't denied because of political reasons; Peterson SAYS it was denied because of political reasons. I guess if the nugget falls from his colon, you're eager to nibble. Yum! Chewy far-right goodness!

I am really busy right ow and don't have the time to administer the online thrashing you richly deserve.. but that will just give you and your little dog Toto something to look forward to.

But one last thing... about "Rebel Media."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rebel_Media

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The Rebel Media (officially The Rebel News Network Ltd.,[1] stylized as THEREBEL.media, and shortened to The Rebel) is a Canadian far-right[2][3][4][5][6] online political and social commentary media website. It was founded in February 2015 by former Sun News Network personalities Ezra Levant and Brian Lilley. It has been described as a "global platform" for the anti-Muslim ideology, also known as counter-jihad.[7][8][9]

Former Sun News reporter Faith Goldy later joined the outlet.[10] Gavin McInnes, founder of the far-right men's organization Proud Boys, was also a contributor. Lilley, Goldy, and McInnes have all since left the project.[11]

Many of The Rebel's contributors announced their departure – or were fired – in the second half of August 2017, following Goldy's prominent coverage of the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, and her interview with The Daily Stormer.

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