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Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« Reply #225 on: March 21, 2019, 02:49:31 AM »
]In the case of Jordan Peterson we should be looking at his ideas and asking if his spin on 'patriarchy' has any value in the reality of Doom.  Falling into the stupid left /right debate about JP is a disappointment and I'm not liking to see it.  His ideas from a doom perspective do have some merit though he has a mainstream ignorance of doom itself.
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Alright, how about you first? What exactly is his "spin on patriarchy"?

He tells men to be providers. he tells them that is their role in life.  He tells them that they need to become organized and serious about becoming the best person they can be.  Patriarchy by definition is male rule.  Peterson sees the traditional forms as having deep meaning because they center and define people and they evolved the way they did for good reasons.  He wants men to be responsible and take care of others.  If that all isn't a particular individual take on patriarchy what is?

I generally agree with what you said - I just don't know why it needs to be called his spin on patriarchy. From what I have heard, he would say "male rule" does not exist in any meaningful sense in the West anymore. Calling modern society a patriarchy implies there is systemic oppression of women by men, which is just a false narrative. 

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Peterson also does not see women differently, and his relationship with his daughter proves that.  But he is identified with 'patriarchy' and his tours gather male audiences mostly for circumstantial reasons.  Peterson does not advocate for a male dominated society.  But he is challenging young men to step up because they haven't been.  He has a special message for them but his real message is not one of patriarchy but one of 'responsibility' and in American politics responsibility is a very dirty world.

He talks about this in his latest Q&A - I believe he said women make up about 30% of his talks now and that has been on an upward trend as the book sells more.

True, neither party wants to touch "responsibility" right now, because it doesn't sell in a time where everyone is focused on "rights".

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I have two books (academic *) which pretty much say that and I've come across a third but you are pinning 'ALL' on me most unfairly and assuming I think that exclusively with your 'only'.  That is  setting up a straw man argument and I decline to participate.  Further you defined what a "mainstream view of doom" is but I never did.  So I will and you can take yours and put it elsewhere.  The mainstream view of doom is that there is no need for serious concern and the normal safety switch is to rant that 'technology' will save us.  Peterson does not put out any other answer than this answer so he is mainstream as a Cadillac on 1st Avenue.  Mainstream or in other words, ignorant as shit.  Sorry everybody but it is true. 

That isn't reflective Peterson's view in the least. When has he ever said "no need for serious concern"? What he does say, and is qualified to as a clinical psychologist, is that certain approaches to the Doom inherent in life and the Doom generated by our particular circumstances are better than other approaches, in so far as they keep people with meaning and aims in their lives and keep them moving forward.

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Where you really go off the rails is with "a deeper understanding of human nature and human social interaction".  That is an entirely different subject than 'doom'.  Doom influences them and they influence doom but as subjects they are apples and oranges.  An expert in one subject may be entirely ignorant of the other realm.  Is there more going on than doom?  Of course!  Don't be silly.

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If you'd rather discuss something else you can always get your own blog but really your complaint is something we all feel.  Sometimes it all seems like the same old same old no matter who you are.  We all get on our own hobby horse and you are no exception.

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No it is not.  Resources are a physical property of the universe as is the distribution of them.  How limited and finite resources are distributed is not a philosophical question like 'existence is a goal of most humans'.  You conflated entirely different things.

I get what you're saying, but in my mind there is no separating philosophy, science/psychology and "doom". How we developed and what motivates us, as individuals and as a species, is a huge part of how things may play out as we react to various systemic problems. And the question of how finite resources can and should be distributed is both a scientific and an ethical one. When the question becomes 'what is the appropriate level of equalization of material resources among a given population?', we are actively trying to mold human nature and social interaction in a rationalist way and this has proven a dangerous road to go down many times before.

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Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« Reply #226 on: March 21, 2019, 03:09:57 AM »
I'm probably one of the few people here who has been the target of racial epithets.

I have been called "Honky" dozens of times, "Gringo" dozens more, "Gaijin" by a couple of Japanese cooks I worked with and "Paleface" by my First Nations Brothers and Sisters a few times as well.

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Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« Reply #227 on: March 21, 2019, 04:23:54 AM »
[It's only after that when he would take to task the idea that there is "summary execution of black citizens by white cops". Regardless of the statistical data, which Eddie pointed out is never as simple as the media portrays it to be, such a statement is identity politics, pure and simple.

I suspect the families of Eric Garner, Philando Castile, Tamir Rice, Sandra Bland, Freddie Gray, Laquan McDonald, et al might beg to differ. Wasn't it Stalin who said, "One death is a tragedy; 1000 deaths is a statistic."

Exactly (I'm not sure if Stalin said it, but he may as well have). You can bet a shooting of a black person by a white cop will be covered to death by the MSM (or media in general) and open all sorts of "discussion" (more like shouting) about systemic racism in this country. They will milk the tragedy for all it's worth.

The statistic that most police shooting victims are white will not be covered at all. Nor will the statistic that most violent crimes are committed by non-white people. First, people find statistics boring and the media doesn't like to cover things that don't pack an emotional punch. Second, it doesn't play into any narrative the media wants to weave - certainly not the one of systemic racism.


I can't reply to your entire post because it is simply too much keeping track of codes and SMS editing. But I have to tell you the your assertion that the "shootings of white people" not being covered is verifiably wrong. 'If it bleeds it leads" is a hoary axiom in newsrooms, and local media dutifully report on police blotters ad infinitum. Every murder, white or black, leaps from headlines and is screeched by newsreaders At the top of the newscast.

If they "milk it for all its worth," blame their business model rather than any ideological agenda.

If most of "violent crimes are committed by non-white people," you'll find that the victims are overwhelmingly nonwhite as well.

Also your assertion that the media, that wholly corporately-owned yet somehow irretrievably liberal bastion of propaganda, is "weaving" a tale of "systemic racism." From where I sit, the media ignore it and change the subject when it comes up.
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« Reply #228 on: March 21, 2019, 07:58:04 AM »
We all get on our own hobby horse and you are no exception.

Yes, and the Hobby Horse around here is SUPPOSED to be COLLAPSE.


What it has morphed into here instead is the Horse's Ass end of Collapse, Political Distractions.  I put up a half dozen topics this morning at least as worthy if not more than the daily drone of political bullshit.  It's certainly more worthwhile fodder for discussion than any given Diner's view on SJWs.  ::)

Every day the Usual Suspects gather around their respective laptops and argue about the same worn out topics, SJWs, Capitalism vs Socialism, Black vs White, Men vs Women, Civil War Statues and how many Bathrooms they need to have at Walmart.

This is called "Beating a Dead Horse".


I am reminded of the parable of the Blind Men describing an Elephant.  The regular posters here all seem to be focused on the Tail End of the elephant.


I'm sick of it. 🤮

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« Reply #229 on: March 21, 2019, 08:16:42 AM »
We all get on our own hobby horse and you are no exception.

Yes, and the Hobby Horse around here is SUPPOSED to be COLLAPSE.


What it has morphed into here instead is the Horse's Ass end of Collapse, Political Distractions.  I put up a half dozen topics this morning at least as worthy if not more than the daily drone of political bullshit.  It's certainly more worthwhile fodder for discussion than any given Diner's view on SJWs.  ::)

Every day the Usual Suspects gather around their respective laptops and argue about the same worn out topics, SJWs, Capitalism vs Socialism, Black vs White, Men vs Women, Civil War Statues and how many Bathrooms they need to have at Walmart.

This is called "Beating a Dead Horse".


I am reminded of the parable of the Blind Men describing an Elephant.  The regular posters here all seem to be focused on the Tail End of the elephant.


I'm sick of it. 🤮

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Is that what you call your daily dose of Beto posting this morning??

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Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« Reply #230 on: March 21, 2019, 08:25:16 AM »
[It's only after that when he would take to task the idea that there is "summary execution of black citizens by white cops". Regardless of the statistical data, which Eddie pointed out is never as simple as the media portrays it to be, such a statement is identity politics, pure and simple.

I suspect the families of Eric Garner, Philando Castile, Tamir Rice, Sandra Bland, Freddie Gray, Laquan McDonald, et al might beg to differ. Wasn't it Stalin who said, "One death is a tragedy; 1000 deaths is a statistic."

Exactly (I'm not sure if Stalin said it, but he may as well have). You can bet a shooting of a black person by a white cop will be covered to death by the MSM (or media in general) and open all sorts of "discussion" (more like shouting) about systemic racism in this country. They will milk the tragedy for all it's worth.

The statistic that most police shooting victims are white will not be covered at all. Nor will the statistic that most violent crimes are committed by non-white people. First, people find statistics boring and the media doesn't like to cover things that don't pack an emotional punch. Second, it doesn't play into any narrative the media wants to weave - certainly not the one of systemic racism.


I can't reply to your entire post because it is simply too much keeping track of codes and SMS editing. But I have to tell you the your assertion that the "shootings of white people" not being covered is verifiably wrong. 'If it bleeds it leads" is a hoary axiom in newsrooms, and local media dutifully report on police blotters ad infinitum. Every murder, white or black, leaps from headlines and is screeched by newsreaders At the top of the newscast.

If they "milk it for all its worth," blame their business model rather than any ideological agenda.

If most of "violent crimes are committed by non-white people," you'll find that the victims are overwhelmingly nonwhite as well.

Also your assertion that the media, that wholly corporately-owned yet somehow irretrievably liberal bastion of propaganda, is "weaving" a tale of "systemic racism." From where I sit, the media ignore it and change the subject when it comes up.

I didn't say shootings of white people aren't covered. They will be covered briefly, but they won't be talked to death by round tables of politically motivated pundits and spark "discussions" of 'why white people are being targeted'. And they shouldn't! I don't think most of the families of officer shooting victims want their tragedies used as an ideological platform.

I can blame both business models and ideological bias. People are motivated by multiple things. It's not just traditional media outlets that do this, it's pretty much all platforms of "news" dissemination, including social media. And these are the platforms most people turn to for information these days.

If you do a google search for "systemic racism", you will find a shit ton of publications with articles about it, some of them very popular. Here is one from the Nation circa 2014:

https://www.thenation.com/article/effects-ignoring-systemic-racism/
"The control of black bodies is foundational to American democracy. It is a structural reality. Our institutions are built to protect that reality. White supremacy is our core identity. Ignoring this reality prevents us from building an alternate reality. Ignoring the reality of racism only makes us more racist"

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Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« Reply #231 on: April 02, 2019, 09:44:22 AM »
A fascinating interview with Jamil Jivani - he grew up in an inner Canadian city and somehow managed to get his act together, go to college and get a law degree from Yale. He speaks about a number of things, including why he resisted the victimization narrative that everyone else was trying to mold on him and people like him.

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« Reply #232 on: April 03, 2019, 12:21:35 PM »
A fascinating interview with Jamil Jivani - he grew up in an inner Canadian city and somehow managed to get his act together, go to college and get a law degree from Yale. He speaks about a number of things, including why he resisted the victimization narrative that everyone else was trying to mold on him and people like him.

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Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« Reply #233 on: April 04, 2019, 12:32:56 PM »


How To Stop Self-Sabotage & Get Out Of Your Own Way
April 3, 2019

By Mark DeNicola
IN BRIEF

    The Facts:While we all have our fair share of obstacles to overcome in life, in many cases, we are the biggest obstacles standing in our way. Thankfully, there are things we can all do to cut back on self-sabotaging behaviour.
    Reflect On:How much am I holding myself back from? What, if anything, am I getting from keeping myself in the state I am in?

Whether or not you consider yourself a creative person, we are all creative powerhouses. Proof of this lies within our minds, which are consistently concocting ideas, scenarios, goals and so much more that all play a prominent role in the life that we live.​

While some of us thrive at making the most of the constructive impulses that come our way, the vast majority of us instead seem to excel at running with those that are instead destructive in nature. We may feel as though we live in a world filled with ruthless competition, but in reality our biggest competitor both operates and exists within us.

ďAddiction, self-sabotage, procrastination, laziness, rage, chronic fatigue and depression are all ways that we withhold our full participation in the program of life we are offered. When the conscious mind cannot find a reason to say no, the unconscious says no in its own way.Ē Ė Charles Eisenstein, The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible

Here are some of what Iíve found to be the most common ways in which we sabotage ourselves and what we can all do to get out of our own way:

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2019/04/03/how-to-stop-self-sabotage-get-out-of-your-own-way/
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Re: The Intellectual Dark Web, has been shut down !
« Reply #234 on: May 11, 2019, 01:18:02 PM »
https://www.apnews.com/26a90d446e5d47ba94a60b1a6023ad16
I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why youíre here. Youíre here because you know something. What you know you canít explain, but you feel it. Youíve felt it your entire life, that thereís something wrong with the world.
You donít know what it is but its there, like a splinter in your mind

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Re: The Intellectual Dark Web, has been shut down !
« Reply #235 on: May 11, 2019, 01:45:14 PM »
https://www.apnews.com/26a90d446e5d47ba94a60b1a6023ad16

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The website was identified as DeepDotWeb, accessible under a slightly different name on the darknet, part of the internet but hosted within an encrypted network and accessible only with anonymity-providing tools.

DeepDotWeb provided users with access to marketplaces where vendors sold everything from illegal narcotics such as fentanyl, heroin and crystal methamphetamine; to assault rifles, malicious software, hacking tools and stolen financial information.

U.S. Attorney Scott Brady called DeepDotWeb ďa one-stop information center for people who were trying to access the dark web.Ē

slightly different name   <== oops

So tell me why this is not propaganda!  How would such a site with millions of dollars worth of infrastructure get commission from even one customer?  How would they get one customer?  If it is on the dark web how would anyone know about it in the first place.

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The website also provided reviews of marketplaces on the dark web, as well as tutorials on how to use it, he said.

So if you could get to the hidden website you would find a tutorial on how to get to the hidden website.  Good to know!

It makes me angry that postmodern life treats us as if we are morons.  The only way such a business model could work is if the FBI has a lot of explosives to sell and the CIA is flush with money for drug smuggling.  Of course we all know such things could never happen so this story has to be bullshit.

I see an excuse to make everybody lift their butt into the air so Uncle Sam can make you his bitch.  Patriot Act Part Two with an involuntary introduction by Julian Assange coming your way.

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FBI announced ..............................

>DeepDotWeb

Always look for the inside joke.  They can't help putting them in there.  It is a need.



Nothing to notice, nothing at all.  slightly different name



The curtain is coming down.  As some,(many) will not follow my twisted logic it is obvious to me 'deep' is in the real name but no criminal website would ever name themselves that way.  But this is bemusement only because having a website that nobody knows about does not a good business model make.  That is what really makes the story looney-toons.  Regardless of what the black suits in white shirts of the FBI say.

And one of them can say.  Yeah but K-Dog it is not like this place is Nazi Germany.

And Israelis would be smarter than the FBI too.
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Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« Reply #236 on: May 11, 2019, 03:38:50 PM »
I was expecting Ashvin to fetch the stick, NOT YOU !


Thanks for the spin amigo  :icon_sunny:
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You donít know what it is but its there, like a splinter in your mind

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« Reply #237 on: May 11, 2019, 05:17:22 PM »
I was expecting Ashvin to fetch the stick, NOT YOU !


Thanks for the spin amigo  :icon_sunny:

Ashvin is in the Cooler for multiple violations of the CoC.  30 days.

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« Reply #238 on: May 11, 2019, 06:52:12 PM »
Does he get a mitt & glove ?  :icon_mrgreen:
I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why youíre here. Youíre here because you know something. What you know you canít explain, but you feel it. Youíve felt it your entire life, that thereís something wrong with the world.
You donít know what it is but its there, like a splinter in your mind

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« Reply #239 on: May 11, 2019, 07:01:50 PM »
Does he get a mitt & glove ?  :icon_mrgreen:

Too noisy.  A deck of cards and finger painting supplies.

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