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An Important Lesson In Demographics For American Liberals
« on: November 16, 2018, 06:19:19 AM »
I ran across this excellent piece in the Washington Post. It isn't new, but it's timely.It helped me understand how a moron like Trump can come to be President, and be hugely popular among large numbers of people, even though almost everything he does is either ignorant, stupid, or downright mean.

The Post goes to great lengths to make sure people like me have trouble reading them for free or re-posting their stuff on forums, so it would be much easier to read the images, which are huge, if you just follow this link.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/22/who-exactly-is-the-white-working-class-and-what-do-they-believe-good-questions/?utm_term=.79a5b691ba70





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If you’ve ever described people as ‘white working class,’ read this

By Max Ehrenfreund and
Jeff Guo November 23, 2016

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The white working class has received enormous attention since Election Day thanks to its critical role in electing Donald Trump the next president. Exit polls show he won this group — defined as white adults over 25 without a four-year degree — by an overwhelming margin of 39 percentage points.

Census data show that 42 percent of American are part of the white working class, bigger than any other single group.

Yet although this demographic acted with surprising uniformity on Election Day — few other groups swung so far toward a particular party's direction since 2012 — it is far from monolithic. And it is certainly doesn't match the stereotype of the rural, blue-collar worker that has often been cited as a typical member of the white working class.

Here are seven key facts about this group that capture how socioeconomically diverse it actually is.

1. The majority of white Americans are working-class, and nearly half have more than a high-school education

The 90 million white adults without a college degree far exceeds the 51 million white adults who have at least a bachelor's degree. Of those without a college degree—the white working class—about 39 million, or 43 percent, have some college or an associate's degree. Another 41 million have only a high-school diploma, and the remaining 9 million do not have a diploma.



 

 
 

White workers without a degree earn more than workers of other races and ethnicities with similar levels of education, according to the bureau.

For instance, the median white worker with only a high-school diploma makes $706 in an ordinary week (compared to a worker with a bachelor's degree, who earns $1,154 a week). Among Latinos, the median worker with only a high-school diploma makes $611 — the same as the median Asian worker in this category. For black workers with only a high-school education, the figure is $578.



 
A significant number of people in the white working class are either unemployed or not looking for work. Among men between the ages of 25 and 54 — prime working age — only about 79 percent are working; another 5 percent are unemployed, and 16 percent are not working or looking for a job, according to an analysis by The Washington Post.

In contrast, 93 percent of white men with a four-year college degree are working. The pattern is similar for women.

 


 

 
2. They live in cities and suburbs, not primarily in rural America

While it is true that the white working class outnumbers white graduates in rural America — and the election did highlight a huge urban-versus-rural divide — many of them also live in and around cities.



 
A Post analysis of Census data shows that there are 62 million working-class white adults living in the metropolitan footprint of a large city with a population of over 250,000. There are just 37 million white adults with bachelor's degrees living in these metropolitan areas.

Many working-class whites might live in outlying counties, but their neighborhoods are still intimately connected with the economic and social life of the nearby city. Metropolitan areas are defined as regions in which at least a quarter of a county's population commutes to the city or elsewhere in the metropolitan area for work.

3. Few of them have blue-collar jobs



 
Trump campaigned on promises to restore employment in factories and the manufacturing sector through aggressive negotiation on international trade. Yet not that many members of the white working class work traditional manufacturing jobs. Most of them are employed in white-collar or service occupations, according to the Brookings Institution.

According to a Post analysis of Census data, white workers with less than a four-year degree most commonly hold jobs as store managers, cashiers, salespeople and administrative assistants. Many work in food service as servers or cooks. Some are nurses. There are a number of blue-collar workers in trades outside of manufacturing, such as trucking and construction.

White workers who do have bachelor's degrees are more likely to be teachers, accountants and lawyers.

 
 

4. A few use opioids, but far more use marijuana

A study published last year by economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton focused national attention on opioid abuse among the white working class. The study showed that the number of white Americans with no more than a high-school diploma dying from poisonings, including drug overdoses, increased five-fold from 1999 to 2013.

These numbers are troubling, but opioid use remains relatively rare among the white working class despite the increase.

Only about 2 percent of white respondents between the ages of 25 and 54 without a bachelor's degree use heroin or prescription painkillers not for medical purposes, according to a Post analysis of a Department of Health and Human Services survey. About half as many whites with a degree used these drugs.



 
Marijuana is more popular, especially among the white working class. About 11 percent of respondents without a bachelor's degree reported getting high at least once in the past month. The figure was 7 percent among white respondents with a degree.

 


Alcoholism is also a greater danger among the white working class. Those with no more than a high-school diploma are nearly six times more likely to die of chronic cirrhosis of the liver than those with at least a bachelor's degree, Case and Deaton report.


 
Again, however, these figures might be more representative of the few who seriously abuse alcohol than of the white-working class as a whole. The Post's analysis also shows that those both with and without a bachelor's degree report drinking about nine or 10 days out of the month. Respondents without a bachelor's degree are somewhat more likely to binge on booze, but the difference is small in the context of the overall population.

 
 
 

5. They are not culturally conservative

While Donald Trump's marital history and crude language were prominent features of the campaign, the white working class doesn't tend to be especially sensitive to these cultural issues as much as traditional conservatives are. On the whole, the white working class attends church about as frequently as the general population, according to the Public Religion Research Institute.

 

Over the last few decades, members of the white working class have also become less likely to be married. As this chart from economists Shelly Lundberg and Robert A. Pollak shows, marriage rates have fallen for whites without a college degree. About 55 percent of white men and 60 percent of women with no more than a high school diploma are married, compared to about 70 percent of men and women with four-year college degrees.

6. Being white matters to many of them

Members of the white working class identify more strongly with their race. About 40 percent of the white working class said that being white was "very" or "extremely" important to their identity, compared to about 29 percent of whites with four-year college degrees, according to a Post analysis of a January poll from the American National Election Studies project.

 

The two groups are equally patriotic, however. The same poll showed that, regardless of their educational background, about 70 percent of whites say that being American is "very" or "extremely" important to their identity.

7. They don't believe education will make them better off

Even though data shows that whites without a bachelor's degree earn less, on average, than their more-educated counterparts, many members of the white working class are not hopeful about the power of education to improve their lives.


 
About 51 percent say that their lives would be no different if they had a four-year college degree, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation/CNN poll. Only 45 percent believed that a bachelor's degree would benefit them. In contrast, 73 percent of the black working class and 74 percent of Hispanic working class said they thought having a four-year college degree would make their lives better.

Overall, members of the white working class say that they're doing okay. When asked if they felt "happy" about their lives, about 79 percent said yes, compared to 87 percent of college-educated whites. There's a happiness gap there, but the majority of the working class — no matter their race or ethnicity — are staying on the sunny side.



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Re: An Important Lesson In Demographics For American Liberals
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2018, 06:36:08 AM »
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I ran across this excellent piece in the Washington Post. It isn't new, but it's timely.It helped me understand how a moron like Trump can come to be President, and be hugely popular among large numbers of people, even though almost everything he does is either ignorant, stupid, or downright mean.

I don't have time to follow this post, but those images are overwhelming. You could try sizing them.

In any event, I give you more credit for coming close to the nut of the problem with the D party, which is turning their back on "working class whites," no matter how you define them. This I lay squarely at the feet of the Clinton junta, and the "Democratic Leadership Committee," now defunct, which was a bagman operation run by Rahm Fucking Emanuel for the purpose of collecting corporate contributions for Dems, and in return steeling party policy to the right.
The Clintons were and remain class traitors.
Another corrective for the "Marxist in every woodpile" bullshit. The FSoA has a politics with two right wing parties. So naturally fart-sniffers see Marxists everywhere. Anyone advocating for change looks like an anarchist or Marxist to dyed-in-the-wool True Believers.
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2018, 06:50:09 AM »
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I ran across this excellent piece in the Washington Post. It isn't new, but it's timely.It helped me understand how a moron like Trump can come to be President, and be hugely popular among large numbers of people, even though almost everything he does is either ignorant, stupid, or downright mean.

I don't have time to follow this post, but those images are overwhelming. You could try sizing them.

In any event, I give you more credit for coming close to the nut of the problem with the D party, which is turning their back on "working class whites," no matter how you define them. This I lay squarely at the feet of the Clinton junta, and the "Democratic Leadership Committee," now defunct, which was a bagman operation run by Rahm Fucking Emanuel for the purpose of collecting corporate contributions for Dems, and in return steeling party policy to the right.
The Clintons were and remain class traitors.
Another corrective for the "Marxist in every woodpile" bullshit. The FSoA has a politics with two right wing parties. So naturally fart-sniffers see Marxists everywhere. Anyone advocating for change looks like an anarchist or Marxist to dyed-in-the-wool True Believers.

You could just click on the link, if you aren't locked out because of the WaPo paywall.

I read most of your endless cut-and-pastes. I am at work too, and I'm not good at manipulating images anyway . Sorry.

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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2018, 06:55:12 AM »
I'm not good at manipulating images anyway . Sorry.

You just have to put "width=800" in the ]img[ tag.  That will fit the image easily onto a Diner Forum page. It's not Rocket Science.  You have a graduate degree in Dentalism!  This is so hard to figure out? ???  :icon_scratch:

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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2018, 07:16:39 AM »
I'm treating patients at this moment, and I left a direct link to the original article. But please feel free use the large images as your excuse not to read it.

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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2018, 07:21:46 AM »
I'm treating patients at this moment, and I left a direct link to the original article. But please feel free use the large images as your excuse not to read it.

I read it offsite.  Smaller images do make it more readable. Not any more correct, but definitely more readable.  :icon_sunny:

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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2018, 10:07:23 AM »
Sort of an artificial demographic, doesn't mean much.  So artificial it is contrived.  Perhaps it is meant to awaken a sleeping giant, a collective consciousness which screams "IF YOU'RE WHITE, YOU'RE ALL RIGHT! ANY OTHER HUE, I DON'T TRUST YOU.

What seems warm an fuzzy with fancy picture and graphs which size themselves to the WAPO column width,  fuzzy and full of fun tasty facts that white people love, I'm one of them, I got my fix, may be a very sophisticated chunk of propaganda.  It's us against the rest of the world.  Our masters want us defined as a glass teat watching 'us' while they play nuclear ping pong to get every last drop of oil they can.  To do that they want everybody hating brown people, not with actual racism but with something very close to it.  Brown people defined as the rest of the world regardless of color. 

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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2018, 10:08:02 AM »
Just sayin.
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2018, 10:44:25 AM »
The WaPo is not known as a white supremacist newspaper. Just sayin'.

RE, there is no issue here of who is right. It's simply a collection of interesting stats that most people don't think about too much. Especially left leaning college educated liberal people.

And....it isn't what I'd call a MONOLITHIC demographic group, but it's still the biggest group. And without those people the revolution you want to see is never gonna happen. I can tell you that much.

I'm not one of those people. Neither is anyone who writes here. I'm don't stand for what they believe in, I just know they're the people who keep making sure the bad guys always win.
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2018, 10:48:36 AM »
Sort of an artificial demographic, doesn't mean much.  So artificial it is contrived.  Perhaps it is meant to awaken a sleeping giant, a collective consciousness which screams "IF YOU'RE WHITE, YOU'RE ALL RIGHT! ANY OTHER HUE, I DON'T TRUST YOU.

What seems warm an fuzzy with fancy picture and graphs which size themselves to the WAPO column width,  fuzzy and full of fun tasty facts that white people love, I'm one of them, I got my fix, may be a very sophisticated chunk of propaganda.  It's us against the rest of the world.  Our masters want us defined as a glass teat watching 'us' while they play nuclear ping pong to get every last drop of oil they can.  To do that they want everybody hating brown people, not with actual racism but with something very close to it.  Brown people defined as the rest of the world regardless of color. 

Sit back and enjoy the show.


True. I might add that Trump is not now, or ever has been, popular with the anything but a SMALL minority of Americans. The unending mendacity about Trump as a "successful business man" (yeah, as long as he had a salary of $200,000 a year from the time he was 4 years old) and how "clever" he has been to file bankruptcy all those times (stiffing creditors is SO "successful" ) in addition to the "brown ain't good" vile propaganda you pointed out, constitutes a constant shit storm of mindfuck trying to manipulate people to vote against their economic interests.

EVERY ASSHOLE at the Fed and the banks and the Congress and the Senate and the White House and the Pentagon AND having a CEO position in the top profit over people and planet Corporations in the S&P 500 HAVE COLLEGE PLUS degrees. THESE EDUCATED ASSHOLES ARE FUCKING UP THE PLANET.

To claim that voting goes the way it does in the USA becasue of "education levels" ignores a rather BLATANT FASCIST, RACIST ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM (quite deliberately, I might add) called RIGHT WING ELECTION RIGGING. If elections were not RIGGED to SILENCE the vote of WE-THE-PEOPLE, most who DO NOT have COLLEGE DEGREES, this country would not be in the RIGHT WING FASCIST MESS it is in now.

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The midterm election proved that voter suppression is alive and well. Here's a quick overview of what voters encountered in key states where LDF staff and volunteers were on the ground as part of our Prepared to Vote initiative:

Georgia—Voter Registrations Blocked: Before the election, the state attempted to block 53,000 voter registration applications, most of which were from African Americans. On Election Day, voters encountered long lines and malfunctioning voting machines. Some polling places were even changed without notice. Now, over a week after the election, votes for Georgia's next governor are still being recounted.

Alabama—Black Students Denied the Vote: LDF filed a complaint on behalf of four Black college students who were denied the right to vote in Madison County. Across the state, voters encountered barriers to the ballot because of “inactive voter” lists, inaccurate voter registration lists, mismatches between addresses on photo ID and registered addresses, and poorly trained poll workers.

South Carolina—Machines Changing Votes: In Richland County, voters reported that machines were changing their votes. There was only one technician assigned to recalibrate malfunctioning machines for every five polling places, resulting in long wait times during the morning hours.

Texas—Early Voting Cut for Students: Last month, LDF filed a lawsuit on behalf of students at Prairie A&M University who are being disenfranchised by attempts to curtail early voting on campus. On Election Day, Texas voters encountered challenges with malfunctioning or broken machines, polling place changes, and long wait times for public transportation for voters with disabilities.

Barriers to the ballot in these states and others revealed renewed efforts to restrict voters' rights. Our report on the obstacles we encountered underscores the ongoing impact of voter suppression on racial minorities and the need for greater protections and election reform.

LDF has fought diligently over the past year to defend civil rights, and we will continue to ensure that all voters can exercise their fundamental right to vote. Watch this video to learn more and help us keep fighting with a donation in support of equality.


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A brief snapshot of a few of the voting issues the LDF team observed on the ground and learned about on Election Day

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TEXAS

In Tarrant and Dallas counties, Texas voters encountered challenges with malfunctioning or broken machines, polling place changes, and long wait times for public transportation for voters with disabilities.

At the Lakeside Recreation Center precinct, voters—most of whom were people of color—were turned away for attempting to vote at the wrong location. The precinct lines changed 😈 from the previous election, but the voters did not receive notice.

In Harris County, long delays in the morning hours at polling sites around the county resulted in a judicial order to
extend polling place evening hours at nine locations

READ MORE about ELECTION RIGGING in Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina AND Missouri:


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Democracy Defended, our full report on the 2018 midterm elections, which will also include an analysis of pre-Election Day voter suppression activities, is forthcoming.

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Agelbert NOTE: A more appropriate title for the forthcoming LDF full report would be "Democracy Destroyed" or "Democracy Attacked". 

Response to the above irrefutable evidence of  REPUBLICAN FASCIST ELECTION RIGGING by Right Wing BIGOTS (see below):





ANOTHER Agelbert NOTE: It is no coincidence that the very same racist PIGS who rig elections in the USA are in total alignment with the Hydrocarbon Hellspawn destroying our environment for profit over planet. They are ALL "Birds" of the VERY SAME empathy deficit disordered, hate filled, vile, despicable, rampant greed driven "feather". 


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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2018, 10:51:33 AM »
To do that they want everybody hating brown people, not with actual racism but with something very close to it.  Brown people defined as the rest of the world regardless of color. 

It's really just class warfare, not racism going on here.  In the FSoA, Brown, Red and Black people are disproportionately amongst the poor population.  Eddie has a soft spot for the poor White Trash that he came from, but Eddie hasn't been poor for a long time.  Poor white trash doesn't want to be lumped in with the Blacks, the Latinos and the Natives, so they vote Repugnant despite the fact it goes against their own interests.  That IS racism at work, on the aggregate statistical level.  The thing here is that Repugnants are further impoverishing so much of the white population they are losing this base of support, because whether they are outright racist or not, they are starting to realize the Repugnants are impoverishing them.

It remains to be seen how well the Demodopes can capture the votes of poor white trash.  Will the racists among them overcome their revulsion for people of color and vote with them?  With the right candidates and the right message they will.  Whether the Demodopes can deliver the right candidates and the right message is an open question though, of course.

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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2018, 02:11:16 PM »
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I ran across this excellent piece in the Washington Post. It isn't new, but it's timely.It helped me understand how a moron like Trump can come to be President, and be hugely popular among large numbers of people, even though almost everything he does is either ignorant, stupid, or downright mean.

I don't have time to follow this post, but those images are overwhelming. You could try sizing them.

In any event, I give you more credit for coming close to the nut of the problem with the D party, which is turning their back on "working class whites," no matter how you define them. This I lay squarely at the feet of the Clinton junta, and the "Democratic Leadership Committee," now defunct, which was a bagman operation run by Rahm Fucking Emanuel for the purpose of collecting corporate contributions for Dems, and in return steeling party policy to the right.
The Clintons were and remain class traitors.
Another corrective for the "Marxist in every woodpile" bullshit. The FSoA has a politics with two right wing parties. So naturally fart-sniffers see Marxists everywhere. Anyone advocating for change looks like an anarchist or Marxist to dyed-in-the-wool True Believers.

You could just click on the link, if you aren't locked out because of the WaPo paywall.

I read most of your endless cut-and-pastes. I am at work too, and I'm not good at manipulating images anyway . Sorry.

You misunderstand. I was just suggesting you size the images for readability. I used to suggest that to GO, who could never figure it out. It's just a littlw code after the firat image tag.
I generally do that when replying to a post with an image for that very reason: to enhance readability.
I have a digital subscription to WaPo, so I have no impediment to reading it, which I will do this evening. Soon actually.
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2018, 06:28:13 PM »
I ran across this excellent piece in the Washington Post. It isn't new, but it's timely.It helped me understand how a moron like Trump can come to be President, and be hugely popular among large numbers of people, even though almost everything he does is either ignorant, stupid, or downright mean.

The Post goes to great lengths to make sure people like me have trouble reading them for free or re-posting their stuff on forums, so it would be much easier to read the images, which are huge, if you just follow this link.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/22/who-exactly-is-the-white-working-class-and-what-do-they-believe-good-questions/?utm_term=.79a5b691ba70
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I finally read this. I note that it was written two years ago, which makes me wonder how you found it. In any event I'm sure the authors would have reached the same conclusions today.

I didn't find too much surprising at all, but a couple things that are troubling. For example, it comes as a surprise to no one that J6P is employed in a service job; he manages a 7-11 since that's all he can get since we outsourced manufacturing. He's now a member of Alan Greenspan's "precariat."

Some thoughts.

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1. The majority of white Americans are working-class, and nearly half have more than a high-school education

It's nigh on impossible to NOT get a HS diploma these days. You have to be a fuck-up several deviations below the mean to fall off the people-mover known as public education.

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White workers without a degree earn more than workers of other races and ethnicities with similar levels of education
I hope so. They've been telling kids this for 70 years. Although that may be coming to an end, as we see below.
 
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2. They live in cities and suburbs, not primarily in rural America
Sure they do. Where else would they live? No one wants to commute for two hours to get to the 7-11. The countryside is for agribusiness, fecal lagoons and landfills.

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3. Few of them have blue-collar jobs
Because they increasingly don't exist. We don't make anything that anyone wants except payday loans and slurpees. Now the workers are called "managers" to avoid overtime rules and payment, and to be worked endlessly without recompense. The glories of late stage capitalism.

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According to a Post analysis of Census data, white workers with less than a four-year degree most commonly hold jobs as store managers, cashiers, salespeople and administrative assistants. Many work in food service as servers or cooks. Some are nurses. There are a number of blue-collar workers in trades outside of manufacturing, such as trucking and construction.

I find this disingenuous in the extreme, and I don't know why they would define it thus. If truckers and carpenters aren't "blue collar," the designation is meaningless. IMHO. I always thought if you worked with your hands, you were blue collar.

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4. A few use opioids, but far more use marijuana

From what I understand opioid addiction starts with pain mitigation. I know this firsthand. Norco (formerly Vicodin) will take the edge off, and a step "up" to oxycontin is (at least to me) really unpleasant. I know people DO abuse these drugs, but I have never been a fan of depressants, so I just don't get it. I can't even imagine it.

Now, I find this interesting:
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5. They are not culturally conservative
They are not evangelicals, and the Gospel of Prosperity probably rings hollow to them. But when combined with this:

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6. Being white matters to many of them... Members of the white working class identify more strongly with their race. About 40 percent of the white working class said that being white was "very" or "extremely" important to their identity

...along with being "American." This a recipe for the kind of race-based hatemonkeys that attend Trump rallies, who he knows he has to keep fully stoked. In the two years since this article was created we've seen this phenomenon mature. Isn't it interesting that, according to the article, so many "members of the white working class identify more strongly with their race. About 40 percent of the white working class said that being white was "very" or "extremely" important to their identity." To invest so much of your identity and self esteem into what is an unearned accident of birth, and nothing for which one can take pride or ANY sense of accomplishment, is really pathetic.

Now this one made me think:
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7. They don't believe education will make them better off
This is an indicator of trouble in river city. The pro-ed propaganda no longer works: these folks know that the jobs don't exist, and the woods are full of lavishly educated baristas deeply in non-dischargeable debt. When the working class no longer believe that having a four-year college degree would make their lives better, that's an index of personal doom and hopelessness.
There has been plenty written, and some of it posted here, about the utility of four year degrees v. getting a trade. One rarely runs across a poor plumber. certified electrician or carpenter. I've known plumbers who drive BMWs. Many aver that college is a colossal con-job foisted on us by colleges, universities and banks a brand new generation to a form of financial indentured servitude.
College doesn't have to be for everyone, and there is joy and purpose in learning for its own sake. We're free to learn as much as we can afford.

Which is why this, to me, is a non-sequitur:

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Overall, members of the white working class say that they're doing okay. When asked if they felt "happy" about their lives, about 79 percent said yes, compared to 87 percent of college-educated whites. There's a happiness gap there, but the majority of the working class — no matter their race or ethnicity — are staying on the sunny side
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Remarkable since nothing will improve their futures. It doesn't seem to follow. I guess being white, American and uneducated is enough.

"White working class" is a popular talking point for the chattering classes, but from reading this, I both learn some things I already knew, and find I know nothing at all. If there is a clear lesson here, I missed it.
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Re: An Important Lesson In Demographics For American Liberals
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2018, 06:42:19 PM »
IMHO. I always thought if you worked with your hands, you were blue collar.

By that definition, Eddie is Blue Collar.  ::)

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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2018, 01:24:59 AM »
To do that they want everybody hating brown people, not with actual racism but with something very close to it.  Brown people defined as the rest of the world regardless of color. 

It's really just class warfare, not racism going on here.  In the FSoA, Brown, Red and Black people are disproportionately amongst the poor population.  Eddie has a soft spot for the poor White Trash that he came from, but Eddie hasn't been poor for a long time.  Poor white trash doesn't want to be lumped in with the Blacks, the Latinos and the Natives, so they vote Repugnant despite the fact it goes against their own interests.  That IS racism at work, on the aggregate statistical level.  The thing here is that Repugnants are further impoverishing so much of the white population they are losing this base of support, because whether they are outright racist or not, they are starting to realize the Repugnants are impoverishing them.

It remains to be seen how well the Demodopes can capture the votes of poor white trash.  Will the racists among them overcome their revulsion for people of color and vote with them?  With the right candidates and the right message they will.  Whether the Demodopes can deliver the right candidates and the right message is an open question though, of course.

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Class warfare is a good description but it does not look like the Dems can do what it takes to turn it around.  I see Doom and pain ahead.  The Dems abandoned their base and they have not even begun to clean house.  The wicked witch was murmuring about running again.  That she can even do that shows the Dems are without a single clue among them.  All the madness and distraction in the news is not pressuring them to get any clues either.  Chaos is a feature of our political landscape and the forest is not seen through the trees.  Nobody is looking five years ahead.  All consideration of the future has been Trumped and all people are going to do in the near future is suck up the pain.



What can the Dems do?  Promise people jobs?  Promise them anything?  The Reps at least could lie to them and promise them MAGA.  Dems can't do that because they got Trumped.  Red got to MAGA before Blue could and that was the only lie left.  Trump lied to them first and that makes him golden.





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