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« on: December 30, 2018, 01:43:47 PM »
Oh wait. We did.

Oh well, he can be much more honest since he's not running for office.  This is a very good presentation from three years ago. It hasn't gotten better, in case you were wondering. The only thing I disagree with is that mitigation is possible. I don't think there's a ghost of a chance. Hope I'm wrong.

Here's a clue for you non-believers...it doesn't make a flying fuck what you think. You can't fake reality.


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Re: Vote For This Guy, At Least He Gets It
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2019, 05:07:23 AM »
Oh wait. We did.

Oh well, he can be much more honest since he's not running for office.  This is a very good presentation from three years ago. It hasn't gotten better, in case you were wondering. The only thing I disagree with is that mitigation is possible. I don't think there's a ghost of a chance. Hope I'm wrong.

Here's a clue for you non-believers...it doesn't make a flying fuck what you think. You can't fake reality.


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Eddie,
I liked this presentation and saw it years ago also. I agree mitigation probably isn't possible, but maybe we should try it.
I'm a big proponent of Paul Beckwith (McPherson lite). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-QfKjOzfFg&t=297s
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Re: Vote For This Guy, At Least He Gets It
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2019, 09:28:41 AM »
Mitigation is possible, I suppose, but it looks improbable given the political climate. Plus, there is that little problem of the forty year lag time.

Smart money says humans are toast. Hope I'm wrong.
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2019, 11:41:52 AM »
Mitigation is possible, I suppose, but it looks improbable given the political climate. Plus, there is that little problem of the forty year lag time.

Smart money says humans are toast. Hope I'm wrong.
Paul Beckwith kinda says we're toast. He says the Blue Ocean event in the Arctic will tip us over into a climate disruption. However, he says we should start mitigation strategies in the arctic right now. AJ
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Re: Vote For This Guy, At Least He Gets It
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2019, 11:44:12 AM »
After reading how fast the tail spin into non existence can & HAS happened in the past, we ALL 7B could be toast by lunch  :icon_sunny:
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2019, 12:00:32 PM »
I doubt the entire planet becomes uninhabitable.  It never has before in all the prior extinction level events.  However, the number of habitable locations and total land mass available will shrink substantially and the population of Homo Sap will be vastly reduced.  This also won't occur overnight a minimum amount of time to get say a 95% knockdown I think is a century.  We won't be alive in a century.  We won't be alive to see it get done, that's for sure.  Maybe see some of the beginning.


Meanwhile, you work on how to survive just as long as you can.

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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2019, 12:59:40 PM »
I doubt the entire planet becomes uninhabitable.  It never has before in all the prior extinction level events.  However, the number of habitable locations and total land mass available will shrink substantially and the population of Homo Sap will be vastly reduced.  This also won't occur overnight a minimum amount of time to get say a 95% knockdown I think is a century.  We won't be alive in a century.  We won't be alive to see it get done, that's for sure.  Maybe see some of the beginning.


Meanwhile, you work on how to survive just as long as you can.

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Here you go....

What caused the global cataclysm?


We know there was some type of cataclysm in the past but what was it, what did it look like and how did it happen?

We have hundreds of examples of sunken cities so this cataclysm involved a whole lot of water. We can also deduce from the restoration of ancient sites by the "before people" that there was an initial major cataclysm. Melted fortresses and scorched temples are an obvious indicator of earth wide decimation.

Some time after this first cataclysm there was a second "mud-flood" which has been more subtle to detect, only recently recognized. We are now beginning to better understand this second cataclysm in its entirety.

The Timeline as I see it.​

Loosely speaking the timeline looks something like this I would imagine:


The before time
Megalithic structures
Age of Giants, purest form of human culture
Inexplicable building techniques

⇩ ⇩ ⇩

1st major cataclysm
Megalithic culture wrecked
Peoples of the world sent into disarray

⇩ ⇩ ⇩

Age of recovery
Scattered survivors begin re-establish themselves
Probably some giants still alive but no longer the dominant culture
Re-birth of architecture and technology ie. World wide neo-classical buildings etc.

⇩ ⇩ ⇩

2nd minor cataclysm

Mud flood
Pagan culture wrecked.
Peoples of the world, again sent into disarray. International communication lost.

⇩ ⇩ ⇩

Current age (Age of suppression)
An intentional obscurification of history
Introduction of new religions.
Removal of remaining technology from Age of recovery
Mechanisms of control put in place
Dedicated genocide of the population and demolition of historical artifacts (Buildings, documents, family histories.)

Cause of the cataclysm

What exactly were these cataclysms?
What we know:

It was big. (world ending scale.)
It was wet. (mud flood)
It was explosive. (Destroyed cities and ancient sites.)
It was prolonged. (Evidence of underground cities and shelters.)

Many people throw different theories around. Some think it was an ancient nuclear world war. Perhaps it was an attack by space aliens? Maybe an asteroid shot from the deep recesses of our galaxy colliding with the earth.

I don't necessarily disagree with assumptions like these. There is certainly evidence to support them, however the simplest answer is usually the more

likely one. I like the idea of space aliens but I'd be intellectually dishonest if I said this was in fact what did happen.

What do the ancients themselves have to say about the cause of the cataclysm?

The 1950's book Worlds in Collision is a book written by Immanuel Velikovsky where by he attempts to answer that question with the use of ancient source materials. Myths and legends from the people who witnessed it. Straight from the horses mouth so to speak.

His great line was "We are a species with amnesia." A quote he stole from an earlier author whose name escapes me and most recently used by everyone's favorite cannabis fueled mysteries author, Graham "An author with amnesia" Hancock. Seriously he says he wrote all his best stuff while smoking a pound of weed a week for 15 years. Nice guy.

Worlds in Collision is a synthesis of ideas shared by many academics that had been skirting around the edges of the acceptable mainstream for a while. Despite the vice like death grip Egyptology has on these things, many scholars doubted these nonsense stories and suggested a more dramatic scenario.

The birth of Venus

Okay, now for the sake of brevity I'll be giving you only the cliff notes. If you like what you read here then you can download a PDF of Worlds in collision here. Honestly I never recommend books to people, everyone's busy I get it. BUT. If there is one book you should read to better fill-out your ancient mysteries know how, then its this book. Graham "six bongs a day" Hancock has read it. The fellas over at Electric Universe have based their entire careers on it, and me, the not especially special but sincere contributor to this site swears by it. Read it. Take what you need and leave the rest. Its not perfect but it hits on some really solid ideas.

And I do apologize to all the Flat earthers reading this, it is a globe-head theory. Please note that I personally have refrained from using the term globe at any point up until now as I prefer 'World wide'. As well as to the flat-heads I apologize to all the hex-heads, multi-verse plain-heads, digital computer simulation-heads and any other '-heads' I failed to mention. If I had to choose a side however I would go with planets are real (whatever they are) and that they interact with us who exist on some kind of flat plain (whatever that is.)

Alright. Are we good? I don't want anyone flipping their lids in the comments complaining about planets being fake. I GET IT. Believe me I get it. Don't worry. I've got pictures, its gonna be painless, I promise. All the quotes provided are from the book. Okay lets dive right in...

Venus is "born" out of Jupiter at some vague time in the past.​

Venus is initially an incandescent orb travelling violently toward the other planets.

N EVERY COUNTRY of the ancient world we can trace cosmo-logical myths of the birth of the planet Venus. If we look for the god or goddess who represents the planet Venus, we must inquire which among the gods or goddesses did not exist from the beginning, but was born into the family. The mythologies of all peoples concern themselves with the birth only of Venus, not with that of Jupiter, Mars, or Saturn. Jupiter is described as heir to Saturn, but his birth is not a mythological subject. Horus of the Egyptians and Vishnu, born of Shiva, of the Hindus, were such newborn deities. Horus battled in the sky with the monster-serpent Seth; so did Vishnu. In Greece the goddess who suddenly appeared in the sky was Pallas Athene. She sprang from the head of Zeus-Jupiter. In another legend she was the daughter of a monster, Pallas-Typhon, who attacked her and whom she battled and killed. The slaying of the monster by a planet-god is the way in which the peoples perceived the convulsion of the pillar of smoke when the earth and the comet Venus disturbed each other in their orbits, and the head of the comet and its tail leaped against each other in violent electrical discharges.
Venus passes by the earth, not once but twice before settling into a stable orbit.​


"And what does natural history tell us?" asked Philo in his On the Eternity of the World,16 and answered: "Destructions of things on earth, destructions not of all at once but of a very large number, are attributed by it to two principal causes, the tremendous onslaughts of fire and water. These two visitations, we are told, descend in turns after very long cycles of years. When the agent is the conflagration, a stream of heaven-sent fire pours out from above and spreads over many places and overruns great regions of the inhabited earth."
Just to make a point about Venus's origins. Venus is the hottest planet in the solar system. Indicating it may be the newest.

Venus is the hottest world in the solar system. Although Venus is not the planet closest to the sun, its dense atmosphere traps heat in a runaway version of the greenhouse effect that warms Earth. As a result, temperatures on Venus reach 870 degrees Fahrenheit (465 degrees Celsius), more than hot enough to melt lead.
-Wikipedia

Venus spins in retro-grade to the other planets, meaning it spins in the opposite direction.

There are real retrograde motions in the solar system. Venus, for example, rotates or spins on its axis in the opposite direction from every other planet. If the clouds ever parted, the Venusians would see the sun rise in the west and set in the east. Some moons also have retrograde orbits around their planets.
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Re: Vote For This Guy, At Least He Gets It
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2019, 01:05:10 PM »
Here you go....

What caused the global cataclysm?


We know there was some type of cataclysm in the past but what was it, what did it look like and how did it happen?

Probably an asteroid impact.

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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2019, 01:25:56 PM »
IF, and it's not too big an if, there is a blue ocean event in the summer in the arctic in the upcoming 2 - 3 years, for even a month, it rapidly changes the albedo and heat adsorptive capacity (and temperature of the arctic ocean). Probably within a few years of that you would/could have a totally ice free arctic for the entire year. Well before that the jet stream will become much more erratic (as the largest cold in the arctic shifts to Greenland at 17o. Collapse of worldwide ag is guaranteed if not well before, then soon thereafter. If we tip into a new/old state similar initially to the Pliocene and then to the Eocene (when it was 13oC warmer). The article is here:https://www.pnas.org/content/115/52/13288. The abstract concludes with, "Both the emergence of geologically novel climates and the rapid reversion to Eocene-like climates may be outside the range of evolutionary adaptive capacity." 37oC in a humid environment kills human in less than 24 hours.
All of this is based on models that don't take into effect multiple positive feedback loops (methane clathrates, permafrost decomposition, etc.).
We are probably screwed and much sooner than you think. Probably extinct too.
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Re: Vote For This Guy, At Least He Gets It
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2019, 01:32:30 PM »
A frequency change for, say 4 to 6 hours on this planet & we're toast....

It's tough to wrap your heads around, I get that.

This might help.

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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2019, 01:58:57 PM »
We are probably screwed and much sooner than you think. Probably extinct too.

I doubt it.

For one thing, a large cadre of people have large storage of long lasting foods as well as underground bunkers.  As die off progresses, more such facilities will be built.  This pushes back an extinction to at least 50 years.

Survivors will migrate to still habitable neighborhoods, most likely at high altitudes and latitudes.  Apparatus for hydroponics and aquaculture will be brought along.  This pushes it back probably another 50 years.  Wet Bulb temperatures won't be exceeded for at least a century everywhere.

Remember, for Extinction, you need 100% Dead People, 99.9% doesn't cut it.  That's pretty hard to do.

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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2019, 02:18:39 PM »
Here's the Deal Doomers.

For one reason or another, ~70,000 years ago the population of Homo Sap went through a Bottleneck that reduced total numbers down to 10,000 Human Souls or 1000 Breeding Pairs.  That tiny population ballooned up to over 7B people.

10,000/7,000,000,000 = .00000142857, or .00014287%.  That is all you need to survive to avoid extinction and make it through the Zero Point.  10,000 people could fit in the Carlsbad Caverns, or numerous abandoned mines here on the Last Great Frontier of Alaska.

Will you be one of the Survivors?  In all likelihood, no you will not.  Nevertheless, the extinction of all of Homo Saps will take some time here, and it won't be in your lifetime.  The only thing that could do it that fast would be a cataclysmic Asteroid Impact.

Meanwhile, for the rest of your time walking the Earth, you have to figure out just how to survive just as long as you can.

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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2019, 02:25:08 PM »
At least we agree that death from above is 100% :icon_sunny:
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2019, 03:04:54 PM »
At least we agree that death from above is 100% :icon_sunny:

Not always.  The asteroid has to be a pretty big one.

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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2019, 05:04:45 AM »
At least we agree that death from above is 100% :icon_sunny:
Although you make many valid points I still have my doubts that we make it 100 years (not you and I of course - that's why I have taken up smoking a good cigar once in a while :laugh:). Nuclear war could go a long way to destroying a good part of the O2 in the atmosphere along with phytoplankton in the ocean reducing the breathability of the atmosphere. And the ionizing radiation from the weapons and the nuke puke plants could help terminate those even in deep bunkers if the loss of O2 didn't. AND those in deep bunkers run out of power and air filters (even with small nuke powered generators) sooner or later. I'm not arguing that a few could be real lucky but I think the odds are much worse than you do. Obviously ;).
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