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Niall Ferguson On The Intellectual Dark Web
« on: December 30, 2018, 05:38:01 PM »
Niall Ferguson's book, The Ascent of Money, is where I learned a good part of what I know about the history of money. It's
 a damn fine book. I read it many years ago now. He seems to have fallen in with Ashvin's IDW guys. I challenge anyone to listen to him talk about his experiences. He is describing exactly what I try to get at in my critiques of your socialist POV.


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Re: Niall Ferguson On The Intellectual Dark Web
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2018, 06:35:42 PM »
Niall Ferguson's book, The Ascent of Money, is where I learned a good part of what I know about the history of money. It's
 a damn fine book. I read it many years ago now. He seems to have fallen in with Ashvin's IDW guys. I challenge anyone to listen to him talk about his experiences. He is describing exactly what I try to get at in my critiques of your socialist POV.


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He sees a left wing conspiracy which does not exist.  A poster child for confirmation bias and oooooohhhh he's written 15 books (cuz thats his job) and he has mentioned it 25 times.  Dude exudes elitism.  I'm frankly getting sick of hearing about our universities being taken over by faux leftist bogymen who communicate apparently by telepathy.

I agree with what Niall says about dignified argument vs attack on reputation and most of what he says seems sound enough when he spouts ideals but at heart he's manipulative and angry.  Two bucks and a cup of coffee or just another asshole pulling emotional strings.  Niall is pullin the strings and his anger is not a good anger.  He's probably not aware he's knotted and forged his ideas of the left with his knowledge of the Nazi past to an emotional weapon.  That's sort of interesting like an animal in a zoo.  He's a clown looking for a carnival and like a clown facts don't matter in his performance.

Once again I'm insulted.  Once again laudable ideas of socialism and dignified relations between men are confused with people having gender issues and people who are just plain confused.  Could we please get back to grape pickers getting a fair shake and a reasonable life for everybody!

The Left Left Left Left Left Left.   The entertainment value of hate is well understood now and the 'IDW' is not innocent of this knowledge.  They revel in their hate of their SJWs.  Not for a second are they innocent.  If Dave Rubin should have a portrait of Geraldo Rivera in his bedroom I'd not be surprised.  He's learned from the legacy well and Niall Ferguson as a guest is Rubin's clickbait.

Ferguson has described his relationship with the left: "No, they love being provoked by me!

There, from his own mouth.  Just another fry from the basket and I'll take a cup of coffee over a British elitist bastard any day of the week.  I've been patient waiting to hear anything of substance.  I'm still waiting.

Now I'm down to two minutes left.  Thank god.  He's playing the fiddle.



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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2018, 07:53:42 PM »
He sees a left wing conspiracy which does not exist.  A poster child for confirmation bias and oooooohhhh he's written 15 books (cuz thats his job) and he has mentioned it 25 times.  Dude exudes elitism.  I'm frankly getting sick of hearing about our universities being taken over by faux leftist bogymen who communicate apparently by telepathy.

Confirmation Bias is what this is, much like with Jordan Petersen.  These guys spout off academic type arguments that Libertarian types eat up like ice cream on a hot summer day in the Oz Outback.  I can only sit through about 5 minutes of this shit before I need to head to the toilet and heave the Technicolor Yawn.

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Re: Niall Ferguson On The Intellectual Dark Web
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2018, 08:40:21 PM »
Niall Ferguson's book, The Ascent of Money, is where I learned a good part of what I know about the history of money. It's
 a damn fine book. I read it many years ago now. He seems to have fallen in with Ashvin's IDW guys. I challenge anyone to listen to him talk about his experiences. He is describing exactly what I try to get at in my critiques of your socialist POV.


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/MdeFJ4WCqhk&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/MdeFJ4WCqhk&fs=1</a>

He sees a left wing conspiracy which does not exist.  A poster child for confirmation bias and oooooohhhh he's written 15 books (cuz thats his job) and he has mentioned it 25 times.  Dude exudes elitism.  I'm frankly getting sick of hearing about our universities being taken over by faux leftist bogymen who communicate apparently by telepathy.

I agree with what Niall says about dignified argument vs attack on reputation and most of what he says seems sound enough when he spouts ideals but at heart he's manipulative and angry.  Two bucks and a cup of coffee or just another asshole pulling emotional strings.  Niall is pullin the strings and his anger is not a good anger.  He's probably not aware he's knotted and forged his ideas of the left with his knowledge of the Nazi past to an emotional weapon.  That's sort of interesting like an animal in a zoo.  He's a clown looking for a carnival and like a clown facts don't matter in his performance.

Once again I'm insulted.  Once again laudable ideas of socialism and dignified relations between men are confused with people having gender issues and people who are just plain confused.  Could we please get back to grape pickers getting a fair shake and a reasonable life for everybody!

The Left Left Left Left Left Left.   The entertainment value of hate is well understood now and the 'IDW' is not innocent of this knowledge.  They revel in their hate of their SJWs.  Not for a second are they innocent.  If Dave Rubin should have a portrait of Geraldo Rivera in his bedroom I'd not be surprised.  He's learned from the legacy well and Niall Ferguson as a guest is Rubin's clickbait.

Ferguson has described his relationship with the left: "No, they love being provoked by me!

There, from his own mouth.  Just another fry from the basket and I'll take a cup of coffee over a British elitist bastard any day of the week.  I've been patient waiting to hear anything of substance.  I'm still waiting.

Now I'm down to two minutes left.  Thank god.  He's playing the fiddle.



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I think you are taking too much offense at his Oxford Don persona, frankly. It's real. He comes by it honestly.

I also disagree strongly with your criticism of the IDW, because I see that they are more than willing to have a rational discussion with their detractors, who unfortunately want to smear them using all kinds of dirty tricks and false accusations, especially by means of social media.

 In this very video, Ferguson makes a good point that if the IDW is a network, it needs to be an open network for all voices to be heard, and that they need to be open to the ideas of people who disagree.... that they might be wrong about some things, and so should always let all sides make their case.

I can assure you that is the last thing the liberal establishment wants,. The left wants to silence them and smear them with anything they can get to stick. There are a slew of articles trying to do just that, and I already objected when Surly started posting them here. Because they were just hit pieces. Not a shred of truth in any of them.

I challenged him and I challenge you to prove your points with facts, and not just tell me you don't like Niall Ferguson  because he's highly educated, an erudite scholar and maybe a bit  snooty. Angry? Did we listen tot the same video? What angry things did he say?

They argue their points rationally, and I don't see the hate that you say they are spreading. I do see plenty of very delusional thinking, and also plenty of angry mob behavior on the part of the SJW's and People With Special Rights. The IDW guys are responding, in a measured way, to being misrepresented.  They are thinkers, not a lynch mob.

They are questioning the accepted dogma of the liberal academic world, and the liberal political machine, which is a false narrative.

The kind of Cesar Chavez socialism you believe in is not what's coming, and you might live to find that out, to your chagrin, I'm afraid.




 
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2018, 09:35:51 PM »
The left wants to silence them and smear them with anything they can get to stick.

There's a Left here somewhere? ???  :icon_scratch:  Can you point me to this organization that is running the mass media and smearing all the Libertarian Academics?

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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2018, 10:22:58 PM »
The left wants to silence them and smear them with anything they can get to stick.

There's a Left here somewhere? ???  :icon_scratch:  Can you point me to this organization that is running the mass media and smearing all the Libertarian Academics?

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There are two lefts. One is not very left. That one is what I'd call the fake left...which is to say, Hillary Clinton and those like her.

The other left is the real leftist intellectual core that started as college students during Viet Nam, and who went on to become the next generation of college professors, who embraced Marxist thought as a reaction against the straight world they rebelled against when they were young. The Reagan years and what came after cemented them into what they are. They have not had real power as of yet, because the Clinton types got their votes but never paid attention to their real agenda.

The white working class, once the backbone of the real workers party, rejected the Hillary fakery and went Trump. The real left would have voted in Bernie, but he was screwed out of the nomination.

College campuses today are not like what they were when we went to college. It's a herd mentality, and social media has made it far worse.I'm not so much upset about people leaning left. But it's a kind of left that doesn't tolerate dissent, and it's a delusional left, full of identity politics and special rights and radical feminism is a strong part of it.

When they do take power, we could have something very like the Chinese Cultural Revolution.
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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2018, 12:51:09 AM »
The left wants to silence them and smear them with anything they can get to stick.

There's a Left here somewhere? ???  :icon_scratch:  Can you point me to this organization that is running the mass media and smearing all the Libertarian Academics?

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There are two lefts. One is not very left. That one is what I'd call the fake left...which is to say, Hillary Clinton and those like her.

The other left is the real leftist intellectual core that started as college students during Viet Nam, and who went on to become the next generation of college professors, who embraced Marxist thought as a reaction against the straight world they rebelled against when they were young. The Reagan years and what came after cemented them into what they are. They have not had real power as of yet, because the Clinton types got their votes but never paid attention to their real agenda.

The white working class, once the backbone of the real workers party, rejected the Hillary fakery and went Trump. The real left would have voted in Bernie, but he was screwed out of the nomination.

College campuses today are not like what they were when we went to college. It's a herd mentality, and social media has made it far worse.I'm not so much upset about people leaning left. But it's a kind of left that doesn't tolerate dissent, and it's a delusional left, full of identity politics and special rights and radical feminism is a strong part of it.

When they do take power, we could have something very like the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

I don't call either one of those "Left", at least not a left with any significant political power.  As you sort of acknowledge, the traditional Demodope Party isn't left at all, its only slightly to the right of the Repugnants.  The new wave of Demodope Socialists spearheaded by Bernie is more left than that, but still right of center.  They still believe in Capitalism for the most part.

Far as your favorite whipping boy, "Marxist Academics" are concerned, they have about ZERO political power.  None of them in CONgress far as I can tell.  None on the Supreme Court either.  They don't control the editorial pages of the NYT, WaPo, WSJ or Fox either.  But to you, there is some vast left wing conspiracy ongoing that is going to overthrow Capitalism.  Watson was equally deluded in this regard.   Total nonsense at the moment.

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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2018, 06:53:49 AM »
The left wants to silence them and smear them with anything they can get to stick.

There's a Left here somewhere? ???  :icon_scratch:  Can you point me to this organization that is running the mass media and smearing all the Libertarian Academics?

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There are two lefts. One is not very left. That one is what I'd call the fake left...which is to say, Hillary Clinton and those like her.

The other left is the real leftist intellectual core that started as college students during Viet Nam, and who went on to become the next generation of college professors, who embraced Marxist thought as a reaction against the straight world they rebelled against when they were young. The Reagan years and what came after cemented them into what they are. They have not had real power as of yet, because the Clinton types got their votes but never paid attention to their real agenda.

The white working class, once the backbone of the real workers party, rejected the Hillary fakery and went Trump. The real left would have voted in Bernie, but he was screwed out of the nomination.

College campuses today are not like what they were when we went to college. It's a herd mentality, and social media has made it far worse.I'm not so much upset about people leaning left. But it's a kind of left that doesn't tolerate dissent, and it's a delusional left, full of identity politics and special rights and radical feminism is a strong part of it.

When they do take power, we could have something very like the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

I don't call either one of those "Left", at least not a left with any significant political power.  As you sort of acknowledge, the traditional Demodope Party isn't left at all, its only slightly to the right of the Repugnants.  The new wave of Demodope Socialists spearheaded by Bernie is more left than that, but still right of center.  They still believe in Capitalism for the most part.

Far as your favorite whipping boy, "Marxist Academics" are concerned, they have about ZERO political power.  None of them in CONgress far as I can tell.  None on the Supreme Court either.  They don't control the editorial pages of the NYT, WaPo, WSJ or Fox either.  But to you, there is some vast left wing conspiracy ongoing that is going to overthrow Capitalism.  Watson was equally deluded in this regard.   Total nonsense at the moment.

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What leftist academics have and have had is enormous influence on the next generation's political toilet training. Their time of ascendency is coming, if BAU persists long enough.  Ferguson makes a pretty good case for how it will go down. He is a great historian, btw, who has an informed perspective on the rise and fall of empires. Sorry you guys can only see him through the lenses of your own anti-establishment glasses and from (what I see) as a naive point of view.  What were gonna get is going to look more like the Red Guard than potlatch societies,
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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2018, 07:14:27 AM »
What leftist academics have and have had is enormous influence on the next generation's political toilet training. Their time of ascendency is coming, if BAU persists long enough.  Ferguson makes a pretty good case for how it will go down. He is a great historian, btw, who has an informed perspective on the rise and fall of empires. Sorry you guys can only see him through the lenses of your own anti-establishment glasses and from (what I see) as a naive point of view.  What were gonna get is going to look more like the Red Guard than potlatch societies,
There's the Pot calling the Kettle Black.  ::)

I never said we would see Potlach societies in the spin down, you are putting up strawmen and making shit up again, putting words in my mouth.  Shame on you.

It's bound to be quite brutal and many rich people will be mercilessly slaughtered.  The blood of the rich will fill swimming pools.

Still better than having blood sucking vampires like Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein in charge though.

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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2018, 07:48:31 AM »
The left wants to silence them and smear them with anything they can get to stick.

There's a Left here somewhere? ???  :icon_scratch:  Can you point me to this organization that is running the mass media and smearing all the Libertarian Academics?

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There are two lefts. One is not very left. That one is what I'd call the fake left...which is to say, Hillary Clinton and those like her.

The other left is the real leftist intellectual core that started as college students during Viet Nam, and who went on to become the next generation of college professors, who embraced Marxist thought as a reaction against the straight world they rebelled against when they were young. The Reagan years and what came after cemented them into what they are. They have not had real power as of yet, because the Clinton types got their votes but never paid attention to their real agenda.

The white working class, once the backbone of the real workers party, rejected the Hillary fakery and went Trump. The real left would have voted in Bernie, but he was screwed out of the nomination.

College campuses today are not like what they were when we went to college. It's a herd mentality, and social media has made it far worse.I'm not so much upset about people leaning left. But it's a kind of left that doesn't tolerate dissent, and it's a delusional left, full of identity politics and special rights and radical feminism is a strong part of it.

When they do take power, we could have something very like the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

I don't call either one of those "Left", at least not a left with any significant political power.  As you sort of acknowledge, the traditional Demodope Party isn't left at all, its only slightly to the right of the Repugnants.  The new wave of Demodope Socialists spearheaded by Bernie is more left than that, but still right of center.  They still believe in Capitalism for the most part.

Far as your favorite whipping boy, "Marxist Academics" are concerned, they have about ZERO political power.  None of them in CONgress far as I can tell.  None on the Supreme Court either.  They don't control the editorial pages of the NYT, WaPo, WSJ or Fox either.  But to you, there is some vast left wing conspiracy ongoing that is going to overthrow Capitalism.  Watson was equally deluded in this regard.   Total nonsense at the moment.

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You say two lefts but the Democratic party is in no way left.  The Dems want a different kind of rich than the Reps do but they still want rich and poor and can't imagine equity in any reasonable way.  So throwing away your ridiculous left who would happily start a war in the Ukraine in a heartbeat leaves only one left but I still see two.

One left is historical and not represented by anyone in the country currently except RE and I.  That would be the left which would put 'workers' in charge after overthrowing an aristocracy and hang bankers.  The imaginary left of Rubin Ferguson and Peterson is a left with no name, no members, and certainly no members who work.  Occasionally the IDW argues with someone who they identify as part of some left wing conspiracy but so what.  I can claim unicorns exist and you can't prove me wrong too.

Somebody says the college campuses are being taken over by SJWs and everybody believes it.  Before they even see one.  Has any Diner ever seen an SJW in the flesh?  Then name one.  You can't.  Basically the 'left' is anyone the arrogant IDW disagrees with and does not actually exist.  Do they have an SJW newsletter?  No they do not.

If anybody does post a real SJW please post their bio too so we know who they are because nobody living in their parents basement is going to be taking over the country.  That would require getting up in the morning and that is not going to happen.

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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2018, 08:02:51 AM »
One left is historical and not represented by anyone in the country currently except RE and I.

I think we can include Surly in the club.  :icon_sunny:

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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2018, 08:39:33 AM »
One left is historical and not represented by anyone in the country currently except RE and I.

I think we can include Surly in the club.  :icon_sunny:

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For sure;  But Surly has not been landing on Park Place as often as we have in this thread.

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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2018, 08:40:19 AM »
I think there is plenty of evidence that academia is eaten up with political correctness. I just sent four kids through college, and I see the effects on my own kids, and social media is full of it. I'm not even on FB and it filters through to me through the family channels.

I clearly saw it in action when I saw how they hand out Honorary Doctorates at SAIC where my son recently got his MFA. One gay, one black, one female. Diversity uber alles. I just had dinner with a geography prof from Michigan, couple of nights ago here. I said, you're a white male, better keep your head down. He replied, " Oh, I do."

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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2018, 08:50:27 AM »
I think there is plenty of evidence that academia is eaten up with political correctness. I just sent four kids through college, and I see the effects on my own kids, and social media is full of it. I'm not even on FB and it filters through to me through the family channels.

I clearly saw it in action when I saw how they hand out Honorary Doctorates at SAIC where my son recently got his MFA. One gay, one black, one female. Diversity uber alles. I just had dinner with a geography prof from Michigan, couple of nights ago here. I said, you're a white male, better keep your head down. He replied, " Oh, I do."

It's real. Believe it.

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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2018, 09:00:57 AM »
Suggest you do an image search on "Vice President of Diversity and Inclusion". You guys are totally clueless.

The "Special People" own the college campuses. Anecdotal evidence, yes. Lots of it.

Read about Bret Weinstein.

Read about Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who happens to be Niall Ferguson's wife.

Yeah....you ignorant old farts really think you understand...but you don't. I know you mean well. I get that. I understand why you believe what you believe.

The thing I really want you to get....is that I'm a liberal. I vote. I'm a pot-smoking old hippie.

I'm not any kind of alt.right spokesperson. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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