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« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2019, 10:27:59 AM »
I am always leery of hubris and is probably why I have not written much here at the Diner.

You're doing pretty good now!  :icon_sunny:


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I agree that your voice here is important. I for one am very glad you decided to come out of Lurkerville and join our discussions. You're obviously a very ethical human being, and you write about important things, and you do it in a sane, moderate voice that makes me happy to discuss things. I think the things we write in this little quiet corner of the internet might matter a lot, actually.

If not, it's still a good way to waste time as we watch the clock tick down to widespread human extinction.
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« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2019, 10:40:43 AM »
She's his second wife.  Ayaan Hirsi Ali <= Council on Foreign Relations.

You gonna tell us to invest in the Carlyle group next?

More pomposity.
No, I'm going to suggest you invest in your selves by putting money into projects like Power Ledger and Celsius Network, but I doubt you'll listen to me on that either.

Niall Ferguson and his wife are conservative, politically. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is strongly against the rise of Muslim political influence and Sharia Law in the Netherlands, where she came, fleeing those influences. Her story is interesting,and worth reading about. She was in Parliament, and she wasn't on the extreme right, as I understand it. She WAS, however, tarred with that brush.

I personally think the  huge surge of Muslim influence is tearing Europe apart, so I agree with her, at least as far as I can see. The meme of unlimited immigration as a positive...that societies can be "melting pots"and that  diversity is some universally desirable norm..... that we should embrace blindly....is flat wrong.

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Northwestern University Evanston and now change the name of their Ford Building to 'Jevons Paradox'.  We all know about Jevons paradox here so I'll not explain the joke.

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I call 'em exactly like I see 'em, and I  don't give a rat's ass what you or RE or K-Dog think.

And I don't care about what you think about what I think.  And I don't care about what you think about the way I think about what you think about what I think about what your think either.  So there.

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All three of you have put your hopes and dreams on an ideology that I once went along with myself.

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But now, it's pretty clear that it's turning into something far different than what it started out to be.

Speak for yourself, I'm getting my shit together.  And I wasn't screwed up to begin with. 

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it's turning into something far different
   'its' is not 'us'.


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« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2019, 10:51:45 AM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/xN2ZGSX0cIE" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/xN2ZGSX0cIE</a>

I nominate Slavoj Žižek is an honorary Diner.  I'm assigning homework.  It's an admin privilege.  Snarkiness aside this guy bridges the SWJ gap and the mass insanity Kool-Aid from which Eddie has drunk.

SWJ attitudes exist yes but it is a cultural zeitgeist and has no leaders.  I'm going to pull rank in a very unusual way.

Jordan Peterson, Ferguson, Bret Weinstein.  All these guys would piss their pants if they were gang stalked by the FBI and homeland security.  I did not.  It made me smarter and stronger.  These guys get gang stalked by a few estrogen bathed young birds with too much time on their hands and they freak out and all they do is become millionaires out of it.  And in the process of getting rich they have to market an enemy.

Who's the real bad-ass?

Obviously the Dog!
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« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2019, 10:54:53 AM »
Glad we can still argue. I'll watch it.

Jevon's Paradox is not a bad thing, btw.
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« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2019, 11:33:48 AM »
Sometimes I could see by their reactions that they respected my strength.  That encouraged me.  They could not help it.
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« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2019, 01:16:02 PM »
Help!! I might be rich, but I still think I am left (at least left of democrats). I want higher (onerous) taxes on the wealthy. I want it distributed to the poor and less fortunate, I want free medical/dental care for all. Why are all the doctors (Hippocratic Oath hypocrites) and dentists against socialised medicine?? Cause they have a scam going. (Same with lawyers!) The 1950's income tax structure is what this country needs.

As a old white guy I know I have lived a privileged existence in this country. I was born on 2nd base (I take my religious indoctrination as something holding me back from a 3rd base birth). Sure I worked my way through college and law school. AND getting and keeping jobs was easy. If I had been born Hispanic, or African-American all those things would not be givens. I never felt racism until I started dating my wife (Chinese American). My future mother-in-law knew everyone was inferior to the Chinese (how's that for turning old white privilege on it's head?). She had a special word in Cantonese for white people (lau fan (sp?)). It meant "white devil". She called me that with no ill will, laughed when she did it. That made me look at race from a different perspective and realize that if racism was institutionalized against whites I wouldn't have gotten all the breaks I did.
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You're a well-intended guy who is trying to own his own part in contributing to making this a fucked up world.

For your benevolence, the people you feel guilty about getting screwed over will have you for lunch one day.

There is no redemption. If you gave every cent you've accumulated to the Socialist Workers Party and marched with them every day, the only thing they'd ever give you back would be the end of a shovel, to let you dig ditches for your sin of having been moderately financially successful. They hate your guts.

Your attitude is not congruent with long term survival in the coming bad times. Just sayin'
Yeah, you're right I'm trying to atone for my part in fucking up the future of this planet. I think most of us did that through ignorance at how things worked and the ramifications of low ERoEI. I do think there are capitalists out there that 40 years ago knew that they were sending us down this path and didn't give a damn. Just like the corporate thugs (and a lot of the "scientists") working for big tobacco.
I might join in a march now and then, but anything more I leave to the young.
My job now is the C5 approach and integrate (and ingratiate) with my rural neighbors. Being a loud obnoxious leftist wouldn't help me with most of the rural folk around me, although there are a surprising amount of ex-hippies living in Oregon. :o
I am always sceptical of "True Believers" in any cause (Eric Hoffer). I could always be wrong and am many times. I am always leery of hubris and is probably why I have not written much here at the Diner.
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I was once very close, philosophically, to your POV, and also to that of Surly. Over time, mostly over the last decade, I've come around to a different way of thinking.

I don't hate on anybody, and I recognize that the world could have gone a different way, one that might have resulted in a more egalitarian and just society, and more towards a better, more sustainable way of living.

But the window for that has passed, and Mother Earth's bounty has been traded for Chevys and iPhones, and Twinkies and millions of cubic tons of garbage and toxic sludge.

The colonial model of displacing indigenous people....using the international banking pyramid scheme to make weak sovereign countries into vassal states, extracting the resources and creating slums...that is responsible for where we are. It's an evil system, and the people that run it have known that for a long time.....not sure, maybe from the beginning.

Making myself into somebody like my old "friend" Palloy, would be one way for me to deal with that. I could "live more simply so that others might simply live", as the saying goes. Sounds good, on the face of it.

But....for one thing, at this juncture, my doing that would be pissing in the wind. It wouldn't make one iota of difference. I also think that there might be a little bit of a false narrative there. That's a little hard to explain in a short comment here, but I just don't completely buy the whole enchilada. Like most slogans, that one glosses over a very complicated reality.

Taking that road would make my life immeasurably harder, and interfere with my plans to make my own personal resilience plan as good as I can make it. 

I've decided that other people's opinions about white privilege, who owes what to whom because of what has happened in the past...all that....is fairly irrelevant to me. And.....I don't think the things that have been tried to fix those problems have taken all the facts of evolutionary biology into account. And those things matter, tremendously.

All the attempts at making our society color-blind, at leveling the playing field, etc, etc....it has done some good, but it has come at a cost, and it's had a lot of unintended consequences. The approach, however well intended, was really simplistic and has been completely lacking in understanding....about many highly relevant factors. The result of two generations of top-down mandated social justice, has created a society full of incredibly delusional, silly people.

I'm "woke" now...but it ain't the kind of woke the silly SJW's are talking about.

I'm very clear on who I am and where my responsibilities lie. All this class struggle bullshit is basically the mewling cries of a culture that is about to pass into history and probably be forgotten forever.. We're living at the end of the world, as we know it. If anyone survives, the society we have a hundred years from now will be radically different.

Guilt is wasted. I have no time for silly shit. I need to get on with it.

What a bunch of bullshit.  The reality is you just like living the high life and you don't want to give it up.  You like snorkeling every year in the VI.  You like skiing the deep powder every year in Utah.  You like eating Prime Rib every Friday.  You got yours and everybody else can go fuck themselves.  You've moved into the tent with Dr. Mcstinksion also, and your reaction is to just Party like it's 1999.  You may not feel guilt, because you've walled it off but the guilt iis still there.  You'll pay for it too when you cross the Great Divide.

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« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2019, 03:03:51 PM »
Help!! I might be rich, but I still think I am left (at least left of democrats). I want higher (onerous) taxes on the wealthy. I want it distributed to the poor and less fortunate, I want free medical/dental care for all. Why are all the doctors (Hippocratic Oath hypocrites) and dentists against socialised medicine?? Cause they have a scam going. (Same with lawyers!) The 1950's income tax structure is what this country needs.

As a old white guy I know I have lived a privileged existence in this country. I was born on 2nd base (I take my religious indoctrination as something holding me back from a 3rd base birth). Sure I worked my way through college and law school. AND getting and keeping jobs was easy. If I had been born Hispanic, or African-American all those things would not be givens. I never felt racism until I started dating my wife (Chinese American). My future mother-in-law knew everyone was inferior to the Chinese (how's that for turning old white privilege on it's head?). She had a special word in Cantonese for white people (lau fan (sp?)). It meant "white devil". She called me that with no ill will, laughed when she did it. That made me look at race from a different perspective and realize that if racism was institutionalized against whites I wouldn't have gotten all the breaks I did.
AJ

You're a well-intended guy who is trying to own his own part in contributing to making this a fucked up world.

For your benevolence, the people you feel guilty about getting screwed over will have you for lunch one day.

There is no redemption. If you gave every cent you've accumulated to the Socialist Workers Party and marched with them every day, the only thing they'd ever give you back would be the end of a shovel, to let you dig ditches for your sin of having been moderately financially successful. They hate your guts.

Your attitude is not congruent with long term survival in the coming bad times. Just sayin'
Yeah, you're right I'm trying to atone for my part in fucking up the future of this planet. I think most of us did that through ignorance at how things worked and the ramifications of low ERoEI. I do think there are capitalists out there that 40 years ago knew that they were sending us down this path and didn't give a damn. Just like the corporate thugs (and a lot of the "scientists") working for big tobacco.
I might join in a march now and then, but anything more I leave to the young.
My job now is the C5 approach and integrate (and ingratiate) with my rural neighbors. Being a loud obnoxious leftist wouldn't help me with most of the rural folk around me, although there are a surprising amount of ex-hippies living in Oregon. :o
I am always sceptical of "True Believers" in any cause (Eric Hoffer). I could always be wrong and am many times. I am always leery of hubris and is probably why I have not written much here at the Diner.
AJ

I was once very close, philosophically, to your POV, and also to that of Surly. Over time, mostly over the last decade, I've come around to a different way of thinking.

I don't hate on anybody, and I recognize that the world could have gone a different way, one that might have resulted in a more egalitarian and just society, and more towards a better, more sustainable way of living.

But the window for that has passed, and Mother Earth's bounty has been traded for Chevys and iPhones, and Twinkies and millions of cubic tons of garbage and toxic sludge.

The colonial model of displacing indigenous people....using the international banking pyramid scheme to make weak sovereign countries into vassal states, extracting the resources and creating slums...that is responsible for where we are. It's an evil system, and the people that run it have known that for a long time.....not sure, maybe from the beginning.

Making myself into somebody like my old "friend" Palloy, would be one way for me to deal with that. I could "live more simply so that others might simply live", as the saying goes. Sounds good, on the face of it.

But....for one thing, at this juncture, my doing that would be pissing in the wind. It wouldn't make one iota of difference. I also think that there might be a little bit of a false narrative there. That's a little hard to explain in a short comment here, but I just don't completely buy the whole enchilada. Like most slogans, that one glosses over a very complicated reality.

Taking that road would make my life immeasurably harder, and interfere with my plans to make my own personal resilience plan as good as I can make it. 

I've decided that other people's opinions about white privilege, who owes what to whom because of what has happened in the past...all that....is fairly irrelevant to me. And.....I don't think the things that have been tried to fix those problems have taken all the facts of evolutionary biology into account. And those things matter, tremendously.

All the attempts at making our society color-blind, at leveling the playing field, etc, etc....it has done some good, but it has come at a cost, and it's had a lot of unintended consequences. The approach, however well intended, was really simplistic and has been completely lacking in understanding....about many highly relevant factors. The result of two generations of top-down mandated social justice, has created a society full of incredibly delusional, silly people.

I'm "woke" now...but it ain't the kind of woke the silly SJW's are talking about.

I'm very clear on who I am and where my responsibilities lie. All this class struggle bullshit is basically the mewling cries of a culture that is about to pass into history and probably be forgotten forever.. We're living at the end of the world, as we know it. If anyone survives, the society we have a hundred years from now will be radically different.

Guilt is wasted. I have no time for silly shit. I need to get on with it.

What a bunch of bullshit.  The reality is you just like living the high life and you don't want to give it up.  You like snorkeling every year in the VI.  You like skiing the deep powder every year in Utah.  You like eating Prime Rib every Friday.  You got yours and everybody else can go fuck themselves.  You've moved into the tent with Dr. Mcstinksion also, and your reaction is to just Party like it's 1999.  You may not feel guilt, because you've walled it off but the guilt iis still there.  You'll pay for it too when you cross the Great Divide.

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« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2019, 08:53:00 PM »
Help!! I might be rich, but I still think I am left (at least left of democrats). I want higher (onerous) taxes on the wealthy. I want it distributed to the poor and less fortunate, I want free medical/dental care for all. Why are all the doctors (Hippocratic Oath hypocrites) and dentists against socialised medicine?? Cause they have a scam going. (Same with lawyers!) The 1950's income tax structure is what this country needs.

As a old white guy I know I have lived a privileged existence in this country. I was born on 2nd base (I take my religious indoctrination as something holding me back from a 3rd base birth). Sure I worked my way through college and law school. AND getting and keeping jobs was easy. If I had been born Hispanic, or African-American all those things would not be givens. I never felt racism until I started dating my wife (Chinese American). My future mother-in-law knew everyone was inferior to the Chinese (how's that for turning old white privilege on it's head?). She had a special word in Cantonese for white people (lau fan (sp?)). It meant "white devil". She called me that with no ill will, laughed when she did it. That made me look at race from a different perspective and realize that if racism was institutionalized against whites I wouldn't have gotten all the breaks I did.
AJ

You're a well-intended guy who is trying to own his own part in contributing to making this a fucked up world.

For your benevolence, the people you feel guilty about getting screwed over will have you for lunch one day.

There is no redemption. If you gave every cent you've accumulated to the Socialist Workers Party and marched with them every day, the only thing they'd ever give you back would be the end of a shovel, to let you dig ditches for your sin of having been moderately financially successful. They hate your guts.

Your attitude is not congruent with long term survival in the coming bad times. Just sayin'
Yeah, you're right I'm trying to atone for my part in fucking up the future of this planet. I think most of us did that through ignorance at how things worked and the ramifications of low ERoEI. I do think there are capitalists out there that 40 years ago knew that they were sending us down this path and didn't give a damn. Just like the corporate thugs (and a lot of the "scientists") working for big tobacco.
I might join in a march now and then, but anything more I leave to the young.
My job now is the C5 approach and integrate (and ingratiate) with my rural neighbors. Being a loud obnoxious leftist wouldn't help me with most of the rural folk around me, although there are a surprising amount of ex-hippies living in Oregon. :o
I am always sceptical of "True Believers" in any cause (Eric Hoffer). I could always be wrong and am many times. I am always leery of hubris and is probably why I have not written much here at the Diner.
AJ

I was once very close, philosophically, to your POV, and also to that of Surly. Over time, mostly over the last decade, I've come around to a different way of thinking.

I don't hate on anybody, and I recognize that the world could have gone a different way, one that might have resulted in a more egalitarian and just society, and more towards a better, more sustainable way of living.

But the window for that has passed, and Mother Earth's bounty has been traded for Chevys and iPhones, and Twinkies and millions of cubic tons of garbage and toxic sludge.

The colonial model of displacing indigenous people....using the international banking pyramid scheme to make weak sovereign countries into vassal states, extracting the resources and creating slums...that is responsible for where we are. It's an evil system, and the people that run it have known that for a long time.....not sure, maybe from the beginning.

Making myself into somebody like my old "friend" Palloy, would be one way for me to deal with that. I could "live more simply so that others might simply live", as the saying goes. Sounds good, on the face of it.

But....for one thing, at this juncture, my doing that would be pissing in the wind. It wouldn't make one iota of difference. I also think that there might be a little bit of a false narrative there. That's a little hard to explain in a short comment here, but I just don't completely buy the whole enchilada. Like most slogans, that one glosses over a very complicated reality.

Taking that road would make my life immeasurably harder, and interfere with my plans to make my own personal resilience plan as good as I can make it. 

I've decided that other people's opinions about white privilege, who owes what to whom because of what has happened in the past...all that....is fairly irrelevant to me. And.....I don't think the things that have been tried to fix those problems have taken all the facts of evolutionary biology into account. And those things matter, tremendously.

All the attempts at making our society color-blind, at leveling the playing field, etc, etc....it has done some good, but it has come at a cost, and it's had a lot of unintended consequences. The approach, however well intended, was really simplistic and has been completely lacking in understanding....about many highly relevant factors. The result of two generations of top-down mandated social justice, has created a society full of incredibly delusional, silly people.

I'm "woke" now...but it ain't the kind of woke the silly SJW's are talking about.

I'm very clear on who I am and where my responsibilities lie. All this class struggle bullshit is basically the mewling cries of a culture that is about to pass into history and probably be forgotten forever.. We're living at the end of the world, as we know it. If anyone survives, the society we have a hundred years from now will be radically different.

Guilt is wasted. I have no time for silly shit. I need to get on with it.

What a bunch of bullshit.  The reality is you just like living the high life and you don't want to give it up.  You like snorkeling every year in the VI.  You like skiing the deep powder every year in Utah.  You like eating Prime Rib every Friday.  You got yours and everybody else can go fuck themselves.  You've moved into the tent with Dr. Mcstinksion also, and your reaction is to just Party like it's 1999.  You may not feel guilt, because you've walled it off but the guilt iis still there.  You'll pay for it too when you cross the Great Divide.

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Prime Rib every Friday!!!

About a half mile from the 'Whistle Stop' you were at.  The Yankee Grill & Bar, Renton WA.



The food is great.  Service is comme ci, comme ça.


You may be on to something

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Dr. Mcstinksion also, and your reaction is to just Party like it's 1999.

Leaving Eddie out of it.  People often effectively avoid any consideration of the serious by a continual escape into a 'partay' existence.  Life is never serious for this personality.  Such people develop tight philosophies to keep life from ever getting serious.  They wear carefully cultivated blinders which will be defended to the death if you point them out.



I totally agree about Mcstinksion.  He irrationally cultivates the worst possible scenario so he can say nothing matters and anything goes.  Mcstinksion is an extreme, but we all try to mold the world into what fits for us.  Nothing wrong with it as long as you consider:



The man in the mirror.  Know what you are doing and don't believe your own lies.  It is easy to do, that lying part.





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« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2019, 09:04:34 PM »
Prime Rib every Friday!!!

About a half mile from the 'Whistle Stop' you were at.  The Yankee Grill & Bar, Renton WA.



The food is great.  Service is comme ci, comme ça.

I'm planning a Prime Rib Restaurant Review Tour starting here in the Mat Valley.  Only one place to get anything resembling a decent Prime Rib in the Valley, at Evangelos.  Only available Thu-Sun.  After that I'll head into Anchorage where there are 2-3 good restaurants with Prime Rib on the menu.  Then I will move on to WA, where there are a zillion places serving the Big Beef.  After that, TX and Cow Country in MO.

Not every Friday by any means though.  Once a month average maybe.  It will take me a whole month to work through the leftovers.  ::)  By the end of the year I hope to have 12 reviews done.  If I am not pushing up daisies first.

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« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2019, 09:03:00 AM »
I totally agree about Mcstinksion.  He irrationally cultivates the worst possible scenario so he can say nothing matters and anything goes.  Mcstinksion is an extreme, but we all try to mold the world into what fits for us.

I came across McPherson about 5 years ago and read all his books. Very depressing time until I found a web site that took him apart for cherry picking the science. So, I kinda dismissed him.
HOWEVER, recently I started watching Paul Beckwith videos (another climate scientist). Both Beckwith and now Albert Bates, David Suzuki, David Attenborough, and many others are talking about NTHE. So, the data appear to be piling up in favor of McPherson. He might be the most extreme (collapse of  agriculture and the ecosphere by the end of this year), but Beckwith is now saying that when we have a Blue Ocean event in the Arctic it's all rapidly downhill from there.
As to partying like it's 1999 . . . I'm not sure it's relevant to the old (like myself, RE and Eddie). I partied a lot when I was very young, now I get hangovers way to easy. My kids, that are collapse aware, figure they have 10 years of life left at the most and intend on enjoying some of it. Can't say I blame them.
As to you meat eaters,  :evil4:
Been a vegetarian for 40 years, don't miss the meat at all. NOW if I had to give up cheese :emthup: . . . I'd probably die.
AJ

I met him.  I used to think he was a good influence because NTE could make people think about our situation critically my reasoning went.  I changed my mind about that which leaves Mcstinksion without any redeeming value since he is beyond cherry picking.  Anybody who disagrees with him is crazy from his point of view.

To not worry about the future because you can't do anything about it childish. To be a pied-piper and spread that message to others is evil.  All GM's  science' is bull.  The feedback he thinks is runaway has a mathematical basis he can't understand (allegedly) and it is physically impossible for that feedback to do what he claims.  That does not mean that NTE is not without basis.  It may happen but it won't happen the way Mcstinksion says in any way.

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« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2019, 06:16:13 PM »
Been a vegetarian for 40 years, don't miss the meat at all. NOW if I had to give up cheese :emthup: . . . I'd probably die.
AJ

I will start a new Reddit sub, r/cheeseosaurus;D




So what's your favorite cheese?

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Wow, that's a hard one :icon_scratch:
I love Brie, but anything with a reasonably strong flavor is good: Very sharp Cheddar, real Swiss (not the stuff in most grocery stores), most goat milk cheeses, Provolone, etc.  The problem is what to put in my preps. Without cows or goats the future is bleak. Not many cheeses that have a shelf life of years  :-[
AJ

This cheese keeps forever, and it gets good reviews. Glad you mentioned cheese. I should add a few more cases.



Pleasant Hill Grains is a good source for preps and also kitchen gadgets of all kinds. They are experts in survival nutrition.  Worth reading what they consider essential, even if you buy from someone else.

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Re: Niall Ferguson On The Intellectual Dark Web
« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2019, 06:50:32 PM »
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I nominate Slavoj Žižek is an honorary Diner.  I'm assigning homework.  It's an admin privilege.  Snarkiness aside this guy bridges the SWJ gap and the mass insanity Kool-Aid from which Eddie has drunk.

SWJ attitudes exist yes but it is a cultural zeitgeist and has no leaders.  I'm going to pull rank in a very unusual way.

Jordan Peterson, Ferguson, Bret Weinstein.  All these guys would piss their pants if they were gang stalked by the FBI and homeland security.  I did not.  It made me smarter and stronger.  These guys get gang stalked by a few estrogen bathed young birds with too much time on their hands and they freak out and all they do is become millionaires out of it.  And in the process of getting rich they have to market an enemy.

Who's the real bad-ass?

Obviously the Dog!

I still haven't watched the video, but when I get home....traveling tonight. but I wanted to come back to something you said.

SWJ attitudes exist yes but it is a cultural zeitgeist and has no leaders.

I don't really disagree with this at all. But that doesn't reassure me in the slightest. The only difference between a cultural zeitgeist and and a mass delusion is your POV.

Tonight at the airport I had to stare at TV which was front and center in front of me. Unavoidable for me to watch. Want to know what I saw? Anderson Cooper asking Bernie Sanders if it was true that there was widespread sexual harassment and unequal pay for female campaign workers  in his 2016 campaign.

Bernie commenced to kiss ass and make excuses and blame it on the way the campaign grew from nothing to a successful campaign. Made a point of saying his subsequent Senate reelection campaign went to great lengths make everybody to be "trained" to be more PC, and made sure it was done to the satisfaction of the radical fems who complained.

This is why the left can't win. They are cannibals, trying to pull down Bernie over the same kind of stupid bullshit they always use on white males, because they can't NOT do it. It's just what they do. This kind of divisiveness is absurd. It's political self-sabotage.

And another point.

One thing I think liberal, progressive people look to as an example of socialism that works is social democracies in Europe, and maybe Canada too. I think those systems have a lot to recommend them myself.

Here, it's obvious that things like healthcare have been corrupted by big money, and they exist to benefit corporate interests over the interests of rank and file citizens. They do better in Sweden and Canada and France.

But those are still capitalist countries. They just are run by leaders who at least occasionally look out for people over corporate profits.

We could do that here, but we don't. It's the money....around electing politicians, and a lack of term limits....that are the problem, not that corporations merely exist. Americans got bamboozled, and the system was corrupted because Americans are politically apathetic. Now we have corporate capture.

And because after spending half of every tax dollar on the military, there isn't enough left to run good programs. So, do we make the military smaller? No.

But there is a broad sentiment among academics and students (and many other liberal demographics that socialism will make the system equitable. I think that's highly unlikely. Wrong approach.

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Re: Niall Ferguson On The Intellectual Dark Web
« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2019, 08:36:32 PM »
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I nominate Slavoj Žižek is an honorary Diner.  I'm assigning homework.  It's an admin privilege.  Snarkiness aside this guy bridges the SWJ gap and the mass insanity Kool-Aid from which Eddie has drunk.

SWJ attitudes exist yes but it is a cultural zeitgeist and has no leaders.  I'm going to pull rank in a very unusual way.

Jordan Peterson, Ferguson, Bret Weinstein.  All these guys would piss their pants if they were gang stalked by the FBI and homeland security.  I did not.  It made me smarter and stronger.  These guys get gang stalked by a few estrogen bathed young birds with too much time on their hands and they freak out and all they do is become millionaires out of it.  And in the process of getting rich they have to market an enemy.

Who's the real bad-ass?

Obviously the Dog!

I still haven't watched the video, but when I get home....traveling tonight. but I wanted to come back to something you said.

SWJ attitudes exist yes but it is a cultural zeitgeist and has no leaders.

I don't really disagree with this at all. But that doesn't reassure me in the slightest. The only difference between a cultural zeitgeist and and a mass delusion is your POV.

Tonight at the airport I had to stare at TV which was front and center in front of me. Unavoidable for me to watch. Want to know what I saw? Anderson Cooper asking Bernie Sanders if it was true that there was widespread sexual harassment and unequal pay for female campaign workers  in his 2016 campaign.

Bernie commenced to kiss ass and make excuses and blame it on the way the campaign grew from nothing to a successful campaign. Made a point of saying his subsequent Senate reelection campaign went to great lengths make everybody to be "trained" to be more PC, and made sure it was done to the satisfaction of the radical fems who complained.

This is why the left can't win. They are cannibals, trying to pull down Bernie over the same kind of stupid bullshit they always use on white males, because they can't NOT do it. It's just what they do. This kind of divisiveness is absurd. It's political self-sabotage.

And another point.

One thing I think liberal, progressive people look to as an example of socialism that works is social democracies in Europe, and maybe Canada too. I think those systems have a lot to recommend them myself.

Here, it's obvious that things like healthcare have been corrupted by big money, and they exist to benefit corporate interests over the interests of rank and file citizens. They do better in Sweden and Canada and France.

But those are still capitalist countries. They just are run by leaders who at least occasionally look out for people over corporate profits.

We could do that here, but we don't. It's the money....around electing politicians, and a lack of term limits....that are the problem, not that corporations merely exist. Americans got bamboozled, and the system was corrupted because Americans are politically apathetic. Now we have corporate capture.

And because after spending half of every tax dollar on the military, there isn't enough left to run good programs. So, do we make the military smaller? No.

But there is a broad sentiment among academics and students (and many other liberal demographics that socialism will make the system equitable. I think that's highly unlikely. Wrong approach.

Anderson Cooper is not left.

Left is:



Anderson Cooper is rich.



It is easier for a capitalist to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to be left.

It's a question of definition.  Equating the left with American aristocracy has been a notably successful bait and switch.  Only in America!  Surely you don't mean Anderson is left because he sucks dick?  Another successful American bait and switch.





If your description is accurate Bernie is an idiot or just not wanting to rock the boat and afraid to be taken for a goat.  I'll go with idiot.  Perhaps he is weak and not really his own man.  It is a fair question.  I'd have wiped Coopers nose in rhetoric and he'd have regretted trying to play me the way he played Bernie if that is the way it went down.  I can't say much for Bernie letting Cooper disrespect his campaign, beliefs and platform with some harassment 'porn'.

About your second point.  Idiots often label themselves progressives.  Paying too much attention to their stupid answers skews a proper assessment of reality. 

You end with:

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But there is a broad sentiment among academics and students (and many other liberal demographics that socialism will make the system equitable. I think that's highly unlikely. Wrong approach.

When you listen to Slavoj Žižek you may catch him complaining about a decline in Values.  Example being, when we were in our twenties we would have loath to talk about torture as a legitimate military procedure.  Any such discussion would have been met with strong scorn.  It was just plain wrong end of story.  Can we have a debate about rape being legitimate under some circumstances?  ABSOLUTELY NOT!  But can we say it won't be talked about that way in a dozen years?  I hope not but basic values are in decline.

A system being equitable depends on the culture which employs the system being equitable regardless of which system is used.  America is in trouble with many citizens automatons to endless competition and devoid of compassion.  The sickness grows.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2019, 08:46:28 PM by K-Dog »
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