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Re: Stock Market Armageddon
« Reply #75 on: December 25, 2018, 08:18:32 PM »
I mention my Dear Friends Uncle Bob, Snowleopard, Alan, to mention just a few. I also consider MKing and Surly my friends, despite our many quarrels, their feelings for me however, I cannot vouch for.

You're not friends with any of those people GO.  You are just a net acquaintance.

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We differ in that view, but no big deal.

I have acquaintances at the local tavern. I know their names, listen to their stories, bullshit with them, their kids, sometimes their wives as well. Yet their are folks I have met on the Diner and elsewhere on the net that I feel a much stronger bond and friendship with after years of reading their commentary and having discussions with them.

If you have to meet them in the flesh and know what their real name is, that's fine too. It's all about differences, perceptions, language, ability to communicate, etc that make us view things differently.

Have often mentioned here that I feel that Dr Johnson and I have met, through another man's writings about him named Boswell. Not a friend of course but someone I feel I know. If you don't get it I'm sure AZ will.  ;D

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« Reply #76 on: December 25, 2018, 08:27:20 PM »
I mention my Dear Friends Uncle Bob, Snowleopard, Alan, to mention just a few. I also consider MKing and Surly my friends, despite our many quarrels, their feelings for me however, I cannot vouch for.

You're not friends with any of those people GO.  You are just a net acquaintance.

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We differ in that view, but no big deal.

I have acquaintances at the local tavern. I know their names, listen to their stories, bullshit with them, their kids, sometimes their wives as well. Yet their are folks I have met on the Diner and elsewhere on the net that I feel a much stronger bond and friendship with after years of reading their commentary and having discussions with them.

If you have to meet them in the flesh and know what their real name is, that's fine too. It's all about differences, perceptions, language, ability to communicate, etc that make us view things differently.

Have often mentioned here that I feel that Dr Johnson and I have met, through another man's writings about him named Boswell. Not a friend of course but someone I feel I know. If you don't get it I'm sure AZ will.  ;D

Clearly you do not understand the meaning of friendship, but that is no surprise.  Friendship is about people who you can depend on in times of need.  People you can call to help you, or you are available to go help them.  You can't do that as a disembodied phantom on the internet, which is what you are.

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Re: Stock Market Armageddon
« Reply #77 on: December 25, 2018, 08:41:37 PM »
I mention my Dear Friends Uncle Bob, Snowleopard, Alan, to mention just a few. I also consider MKing and Surly my friends, despite our many quarrels, their feelings for me however, I cannot vouch for.

You're not friends with any of those people GO.  You are just a net acquaintance.

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We differ in that view, but no big deal.

I have acquaintances at the local tavern. I know their names, listen to their stories, bullshit with them, their kids, sometimes their wives as well. Yet their are folks I have met on the Diner and elsewhere on the net that I feel a much stronger bond and friendship with after years of reading their commentary and having discussions with them.

If you have to meet them in the flesh and know what their real name is, that's fine too. It's all about differences, perceptions, language, ability to communicate, etc that make us view things differently.

Have often mentioned here that I feel that Dr Johnson and I have met, through another man's writings about him named Boswell. Not a friend of course but someone I feel I know. If you don't get it I'm sure AZ will.  ;D

Clearly you do not understand the meaning of friendship, but that is no surprise.  Friendship is about people who you can depend on in times of need.  People you can call to help you, or you are available to go help them.  You can't do that as a disembodied phantom on the internet, which is what you are.

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Sure I can. Can ask them for advice, some conversation and company, help in solving a problem or trying to understand something that is troubling me. Can also discuss others that we both have met at the Diner, what we think of them, whether they are sincere or frauds, assholes or smart, good or evil, all sorts of things.

Friendship isn't what you define it to be RE. What you think is what friendship is to you, not me or someone else.

Let me assure you that I get your drift and it is certainly a valid one, but is hardly all inclusive as you suggest.

Friendship is not a singular item that you define, there are many facets to it.

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« Reply #78 on: December 25, 2018, 08:51:13 PM »
Friendship is not a singular item that you define, there are many facets to it.

Not true friendship, it has only one face.  It is a deep and abiding trust in another person, which you are incapable of, thus you broaden the definition of the word to include epehemeral internet acquaintances.  It's a very shallow sort of definition.

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« Reply #79 on: December 25, 2018, 09:01:35 PM »
Friendship is not a singular item that you define, there are many facets to it.

Not true friendship, it has only one face.  It is a deep and abiding trust in another person, which you are incapable of, thus you broaden the definition of the word to include epehemeral internet acquaintances.  It's a very shallow sort of definition.

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  Friendship is a relationship of mutual affection between people.[1] Friendship is a stronger form of interpersonal bond than an association. Friendship has been studied in academic fields such as communication, sociology, social psychology, anthropology, and philosophy. Various academic theories of friendship have been proposed, including social exchange theory, equity theory, relational dialectics, and attachment styles.

Although there are many forms of friendship, some of which may vary from place to place, certain characteristics are present in many types of such bonds. Such characteristics include affection; kindness, love, virtue, sympathy, empathy, honesty, altruism, loyalty, mutual understanding and compassion, enjoyment of each other's company, trust, and the ability to be oneself, express one's feelings to others, and make mistakes without fear of judgment from the friend.  -Wiki definition

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Re: Stock Market Armageddon
« Reply #80 on: December 26, 2018, 05:29:46 AM »
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In the matter of Christianity, Christ was not a politician or the head of a socialist party. Jesus taught a message of love and respect as well as kindness towards others. You might think as a an atheist that it is the platform exclusively of the socialist movement, but it isn't. Your volunteering the information that you are an atheist was not necessary at all to make your point, you made it to voice your superior intellect and fairness and objectivity, typical of the socialist mind and thought that I"m a goody goody who feels so guilty that I am among the chosen.
GO, I should have been a little clearer.
I was born and raised a Lutheran, indoctrinated to the core by years of parochial school. I came to atheism due to a overwhelming desire for rational thought which led me to scientific empiricism. In my teenage years I started to have doubts about "Christianity" as practiced in the capitalistic USA. My very devout father was a virulent McCarthy loving communist hater who worked in the "defense" industry. I thought that Christ's message of humility, sacrifice, helping the poor, and turning the other cheek, didn't seem to be practiced much, if at all in this most capitalistic country, or especially by my father. The hypocrisy was too much for me, and still is. I wouldn't say that I am a dyed in the wool socialist, only that socialism seems to have a lot more in common with the early christian church (as St. Paul extolled) than does capitalism as practiced here in the USA.  That early christian church and Christ's message resonates with the world we need to get to; Less consumerism, less energy intensive lifestyles, more growing our own food, living in nature not dominating it, helping our fellow travelers. Hence, as an atheist (empiricist) I approve of Christ's message, just not how it is practiced in the capitalistic west (I also don't approve of the supernatural nature of religion, but that's another argument).
My kids could care less about money and because of me are more collapse aware than the average. They figure they will have short lives and are focused on having quality lives rather than craploads of consumerist junk. I have no guilt about being rich, I just don't think its because of my superior _________(fill in the blank: intellect, work, fortitude, investments). I think its mainly about luck (luck in being white, luck in figuring out the scams in this system, luck in being in the right place at the right time to make choices).
Nearingsfault:
I too hate blind rejection based on textbook definitions that are silly and dogmatic. However, I recently read a set of novels by your fellow Canadian Don Hayward (friend of Irv Mills). They got me thinking (unusual habit for me at my age) that maybe any (most) capitalist system(s) is(are) inherently unstable due to the fact that most (all) have unequal distribution of responsibilities and profits (at least as when grow).  I only say I'm a socialist because I think without some more equal distribution of resources (and coming pain from the lack thereof) between the wealthy capitalist west and the rest of the world there's not much hope for us due to climate catastrophe. So I'm not a doctrinaire anything other than a scientific empiricist.
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Re: Stock Market Armageddon
« Reply #81 on: December 26, 2018, 05:57:57 AM »
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In the matter of Christianity, Christ was not a politician or the head of a socialist party. Jesus taught a message of love and respect as well as kindness towards others. You might think as a an atheist that it is the platform exclusively of the socialist movement, but it isn't. Your volunteering the information that you are an atheist was not necessary at all to make your point, you made it to voice your superior intellect and fairness and objectivity, typical of the socialist mind and thought that I"m a goody goody who feels so guilty that I am among the chosen.
GO, I should have been a little clearer.
I was born and raised a Lutheran, indoctrinated to the core by years of parochial school. I came to atheism due to a overwhelming desire for rational thought which led me to scientific empiricism. In my teenage years I started to have doubts about "Christianity" as practiced in the capitalistic USA. My very devout father was a virulent McCarthy loving communist hater who worked in the "defense" industry. I thought that Christ's message of humility, sacrifice, helping the poor, and turning the other cheek, didn't seem to be practiced much, if at all in this most capitalistic country, or especially by my father. The hypocrisy was too much for me, and still is. I wouldn't say that I am a dyed in the wool socialist, only that socialism seems to have a lot more in common with the early christian church (as St. Paul extolled) than does capitalism as practiced here in the USA.  That early christian church and Christ's message resonates with the world we need to get to; Less consumerism, less energy intensive lifestyles, more growing our own food, living in nature not dominating it, helping our fellow travelers. Hence, as an atheist (empiricist) I approve of Christ's message, just not how it is practiced in the capitalistic west (I also don't approve of the supernatural nature of religion, but that's another argument).
My kids could care less about money and because of me are more collapse aware than the average. They figure they will have short lives and are focused on having quality lives rather than craploads of consumerist junk. I have no guilt about being rich, I just don't think its because of my superior _________(fill in the blank: intellect, work, fortitude, investments). I think its mainly about luck (luck in being white, luck in figuring out the scams in this system, luck in being in the right place at the right time to make choices).
Nearingsfault:
I too hate blind rejection based on textbook definitions that are silly and dogmatic. However, I recently read a set of novels by your fellow Canadian Don Hayward (friend of Irv Mills). They got me thinking (unusual habit for me at my age) that maybe any (most) capitalist system(s) is(are) inherently unstable due to the fact that most (all) have unequal distribution of responsibilities and profits (at least as when grow).  I only say I'm a socialist because I think without some more equal distribution of resources (and coming pain from the lack thereof) between the wealthy capitalist west and the rest of the world there's not much hope for us due to climate catastrophe. So I'm not a doctrinaire anything other than a scientific empiricist.
Don Hayward is on the reading list...someday
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« Reply #82 on: December 26, 2018, 08:37:15 AM »
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In the matter of Christianity, Christ was not a politician or the head of a socialist party. Jesus taught a message of love and respect as well as kindness towards others. You might think as a an atheist that it is the platform exclusively of the socialist movement, but it isn't. Your volunteering the information that you are an atheist was not necessary at all to make your point, you made it to voice your superior intellect and fairness and objectivity, typical of the socialist mind and thought that I"m a goody goody who feels so guilty that I am among the chosen.
GO, I should have been a little clearer.
I was born and raised a Lutheran, indoctrinated to the core by years of parochial school. I came to atheism due to a overwhelming desire for rational thought which led me to scientific empiricism. In my teenage years I started to have doubts about "Christianity" as practiced in the capitalistic USA. My very devout father was a virulent McCarthy loving communist hater who worked in the "defense" industry. I thought that Christ's message of humility, sacrifice, helping the poor, and turning the other cheek, didn't seem to be practiced much, if at all in this most capitalistic country, or especially by my father. The hypocrisy was too much for me, and still is. I wouldn't say that I am a dyed in the wool socialist, only that socialism seems to have a lot more in common with the early christian church (as St. Paul extolled) than does capitalism as practiced here in the USA.  That early christian church and Christ's message resonates with the world we need to get to; Less consumerism, less energy intensive lifestyles, more growing our own food, living in nature not dominating it, helping our fellow travelers. Hence, as an atheist (empiricist) I approve of Christ's message, just not how it is practiced in the capitalistic west (I also don't approve of the supernatural nature of religion, but that's another argument).
My kids could care less about money and because of me are more collapse aware than the average. They figure they will have short lives and are focused on having quality lives rather than craploads of consumerist junk. I have no guilt about being rich, I just don't think its because of my superior _________(fill in the blank: intellect, work, fortitude, investments). I think its mainly about luck (luck in being white, luck in figuring out the scams in this system, luck in being in the right place at the right time to make choices).
Nearingsfault:
I too hate blind rejection based on textbook definitions that are silly and dogmatic. However, I recently read a set of novels by your fellow Canadian Don Hayward (friend of Irv Mills). They got me thinking (unusual habit for me at my age) that maybe any (most) capitalist system(s) is(are) inherently unstable due to the fact that most (all) have unequal distribution of responsibilities and profits (at least as when grow).  I only say I'm a socialist because I think without some more equal distribution of resources (and coming pain from the lack thereof) between the wealthy capitalist west and the rest of the world there's not much hope for us due to climate catastrophe. So I'm not a doctrinaire anything other than a scientific empiricist.

Forgive me AJ. Your reply showcases your education, sincerity, and valid opinions.

My erroneous first take on your prior comment was that yet another leftist had arrived to berate and minimalise me because of my Libertarian views which many here consider to be far right and my life long desire to be as far from poverty as possible. My views have me incarcerated here which tends to sour me when the topic comes up.

Forgive me my error in letting my personal feeling towards many of the left interfere with your posting.
Let me assure you that it won't happen again. Your setting me straight was most appreciated.             Regards, GO                                                       

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Re: Stock Market Armageddon
« Reply #83 on: December 26, 2018, 12:06:20 PM »
GO
Apology accepted. But I wasn't offended, I initially failed to explain myself well so if anything it was my fault for being to brief. That said, I don't want to offend anyone, just learn from people who have been here longer than myself (yourself, RE, Eddie, etc.). And of course have some fun! Collapse/possible extinction is too overwhelmingly depressing. Also I know you have to have a pretty thick skin to put yourself out there.
Thanks,
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« Reply #84 on: December 26, 2018, 02:33:20 PM »
GO
Apology accepted. But I wasn't offended, I initially failed to explain myself well so if anything it was my fault for being to brief. That said, I don't want to offend anyone, just learn from people who have been here longer than myself (yourself, RE, Eddie, etc.). And of course have some fun! Collapse/possible extinction is too overwhelmingly depressing. Also I know you have to have a pretty thick skin to put yourself out there.
Thanks,
AJ

If you don't offend SOMEBODY, then you are spouting pablum.

I do try to remind Rookie Diners, when you drop in a debate here, be sure to wear your Fireproof BVDs.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have fun no matter which way things go on the Diner.  I love cracking jokes, of course.  But when I get pushed, I also enjoy bringing Nolan Ryan RE out of the Bullpen to throw the SMOKE.

In the words of Pete Rose:  "Nolan Ryan STRIKES YOU OUT"


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Or throws one High & Tight.  ;D


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« Reply #85 on: December 27, 2018, 04:04:07 AM »
Advice accepted.
Being overly apologetic (along with overly self-deprecating) is an old habit from my lawyering days. Always show utmost respect and deference to the judge, it might help a little when your arguments are bogus and full of shit. And then be nice to your fellow lawyer unless they are an ass (many were).
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« Reply #86 on: December 27, 2018, 04:36:27 AM »
Advice accepted.
Being overly apologetic (along with overly self-deprecating) is an old habit from my lawyering days. Always show utmost respect and deference to the judge, it might help a little when your arguments are bogus and full of shit. And then be nice to your fellow lawyer unless they are an ass (many were).
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Hi AJ, We have another lawyer among us, Ashvin, in case you are not aware.

A remarkable person with an intellect that is truly awe inspiring. One of the real Nice Guys in this world as well.

Hopefully he will be back soon if you haven't met him yet. 

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« Reply #87 on: December 27, 2018, 04:43:20 AM »
Advice accepted.
Being overly apologetic (along with overly self-deprecating) is an old habit from my lawyering days. Always show utmost respect and deference to the judge, it might help a little when your arguments are bogus and full of shit. And then be nice to your fellow lawyer unless they are an ass (many were).
AJ

Hi AJ, We have another lawyer among us, Ashvin, in case you are not aware.

A remarkable person with an intellect that is truly awe inspiring. One of the real Nice Guys in this world as well.

Hopefully he will be back soon if you haven't met him yet.

Ugh.  More obsequious brown nosing of the Diner Chief Troll  ::), currently in the Cooler until the Spring Equinox.  I'll give him a Parole for New Year's Eve and New Year's Day though.  :icon_sunny:
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