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C5 Defines The Adapters Movement- In Four Parts. Part I- Introduction






“Survival does not go to the fittest, the strongest or the biggest. Evolutionary Paleontology shows this over and over. The same can be said for the human history of empires. Like the Brontosaurus or T-Rex, this may run for a while but then it hits an evolutionary dead end when rapid change to the ecosystem comes.



Instead, evolution and survival goes to the most adaptive.”    C5






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(This was originally written as one article. Peer reviewers have asked me to break it down into 4 parts. The 5th part will be the complete article presented as one)



 



I needed to start this post with a soundtrack. One of those cheesy, sappy 70s songs, that taken out of context makes a great backdrop for a horror film… or in this case, a post apocalyptic story.



For those that have been reading my works, here at the The Dark Green Mountain Survival Research Centre, since the beginning, I have alluded to something called The Adapters Movement or being an Adapter, that what we do is Adaptation. I tell people, I am not a Prepper anymore. I am already Prepped. What I am now is an Adapter. I am ADAPTING my life NOW to the Apocalypse That Has Already Arrived.



I have said, this theoretical Adapters Movement Does Not Exist. But that it needs to happen. It coming into existence would fill a hole in our culture and solves a problem.



But in saying the Adapters Movement does not exist….. well, that might not be true anymore.



A few people have heard the term. More so, a few people have started using the term. It’s now out there.



Farmgal gave me a phone call from a few Canadian Provinces over. She said, “The reason I called is because I was talking with a colleague and we discussed the Adapters Movement. Next thing I knew, she wanted to hire me to come in and teach a course on the adapters movement. Dont worry. I am going to give you credit as the person that came up with it. The problem I am facing is that Im not sure what to talk about”.



I told Farmgal we would work it out together. More so, I would reach out to some others. Wisdom comes in the council of many.



One person responded, “Which brings me to this idea of a new label. That is in essence what prepper was. It was folks tired of the survivalist label who wanted a label with less baggage. Now prepper has a new set of baggage, mostly due to the horrible “reality” TV show. But how long before this new label Adapter becomes corrupted by elements that don’t represent the intention but take over due to being the loudest voices?”



What I am NOT doing here is sticking a flashy new label on an old radioactive product. What I am doing here is starting over from scratch and putting in clear checks and  balances and boundaries so that it cannot be co-opted. Clear, defining Principals will be its base so that old Preppers, Survivalists, conspiracy peddlers, Racist or Christian Reconstructionist militants ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_reconstructionism ) cant just start saying “I guess we are called Adapters now”. This is exactly what we saw happen to the Preppers movement somewhere around 2008.



This will be less of the entertaining style folks have gotten used to here. It will be long. A short thesis. Being that a new “Movement” can not be all about me or what I am doing to adapt, I am bringing in 3 independent and experienced voices to act as a sort of Peer Review. You can think of them as a Board Of Directors or Council of Elders. To put checks and balances on myself  I will be giving them 100% authority to EDIT, critique or even ADD input. Once again, Wisdom comes in the council of many.



First Council position, since she brought it up, will be Farmgal. Long time Moderator at the Canadian Preppers Network. Seed breeding Specialist. Permaculturalist. Food Specialist. Animal breeder. And all round “Smartgal”.



Second Council goes to Nicole Alderman. Moderator, Master Steward  at Permies.com. Permaculturalist. Homesteader. Prepper. One of the reasons I have brought her in is because I have observed that she is very good at self criticizing her experiences and her reasonable long term thinking. I’ll have her soon for a full interview.



Third Council goes to Doc Michael from Apocadocs. Part of the reason for this is his Transition Town experience. A second reason is because he had to abandon his homestead and  Community Supported Agriculture business a few years ago. This had to do with age, injury, health and financial issues. I bring this up because he has deeper experience in things that can go wrong with good ideas and the things rarely talked about on this subject. Even more important Michael has known me personally for several years… so he knows my personal quirks and the man behind the blog. More so, he can hold me to account. Openness and Accountability is one of the “Principles” I will be presenting later.



All three of these folks, I consider actual Peers. A lot of the more well known preppers out there, I do not.



Now, I had high hopes for the preppers movement. Back in the day, it was more of a skills sharing movement. It was more about people digging up hard to find information and spreading that knowledge around. It had become very Inclusive. Anyone could become a prepper. Strangely, this would become its downfall. It was the Wild West.



It would be tempting to start this discussion about becoming an Adapter by just calling it Advanced Prepping. I realized that would be a huge mistake. That would just let the advanced rot fester under the surface. Better to cut the root and plant something new. I had seen some online prepping forums, facing the chaos, institute strict, “No politics. No religious proselytism. No conspiracy theories”, but unfortunately it was already too late. People took this as limiting free speech and went off to the darker web, congregating in echo chambers where extremism festers and the angry try to out compete others there for status and social advancement.



The recent swath of Extreme Right, hate and racial mass murders and assassination attempts is no surprise to me, whatsoever. They simply did what they said they were going to do.



But before we can talk about Adapting, starting something new with checks and balances and defining principles, first we have to talk about the the history of the preppers movement. The simplest definition of a Prepper is “Someone who prepares” for some future event. There is a lot to say in a defining title. It could be, “some one who prepares for war” as much as “someone who prepares for the next ice storm” or “someone who prepares in case they get lost in the woods. But at its core, prepping is a word focused on some future event.



Let’s look at the word “Survivalism”. “Someone who intends to survive” an event. One of the creepiest things I hear from Survivalists, and a clear warning sign, a point at which I wont let them get to know me or any of my friends, is those 5 toxic words, “I’ll do anything to survive”. The more self deceiving version of this is, “I’ll do anything so that my family survives”. That way a selfish and dangerous, predator douchebag, or “The Purge” type of person can spin theft and murder into some kind of  martyr  morality high ground… instead of being an antisocial criminal. This is the type of person that will say “It’s Survival of the fittest” and focus on WROL or Without Rule Or Law. These folks mainly have a lot of guns and combat gear, or at least they have given themselves moral permission to embrace their baser instincts. It will probably take a sucking chest wound or seeing a family member with the side of their head missing or the inside of a jail cell before a person like this sees the error of their ways.



On the flip side of this is the person that won’t make even the most rational and modest preparation or Adaptation to a changing world by saying, “If it is going to be like The Road Warrior, I don’t want to SURVIVE”.



Others have seen the problem associated with THAT word. There was a sub genre that said they were Survivor Thrivers.  Call me a pretentious Gen-Xer but that term was just far too dorky sounding to ever be a rallying call. Nor was it chopping out the underlying rot.



Here is another reason why words matter. Have you noticed a lot of Survivalism is about Bushcraft. The Boy Scout factor. Building traps. Staring fires. Building lean-tos or debris huts. Primitive hunting and fishing. This can follow the path of either pioneer inspired, black powder and trappers or First Nations, “primitive Survival”. The Fake Indian factor. This is all somehow important to the “Bug Out” phenomena. The term “Bug Out” is the dead give away. A military term. Pre-prepping days, if someone was interested in “Survival”, generally the only books they would find with that title would be about, “Wilderness Survival”. In many cases, that would include Ex Military guys teaching, “Survival, Escape, Evasion and Resistance”. There is that word again. “Survival”. Survivalism  evolves from Boy-scout to Militarism. From squirrel traps to human traps, bomb making, improvised guns, lock picking and break and entering. Camouflage and hiding. Tracking, stealth and assassination.



All of this then becomes very interesting for those who’s main focus is “Race Survival” or eliminating Other races. Or Christian Reconstuctionists with plans to make their countries a Theocracy/ Theonomy (if not by the ballot box, then by the cartridge box)  and others with fear based conspiracies.



The Military man then becomes the most important person to learn from. This fills up the survivalist world with alot of ex military guys that are offered a position of importance and the opportunity to only be around other military guys that have been through what they have been through. Now days, most people teaching about survivalism or prepping won’t get any real respect unless they give their rank and “service” history, or will be attacked and belittled for not having it.



Now, I cant be the first or only person to point out what should be obvious. Can I? That they have nothing to teach about Actual Survival. NOTHING. At least nothing practical. Well, maybe if they learned electrical engineering or if they were a mechanic in the motor pool. Maybe. But the level of baggage, and cult like brainwashing and trauma doesn’t appeal to me in the slightest, when considering group association. In fact, they are often a clear and present danger.



Some of you long timers out there will chuckle when I bring up the Survivalist Show and Tell moment. You know what I am talking about. That moment when some survivalist guys get together and decide to show off something cool they have. Now, consider me there in that bunch. I pull out a U-Bar for breaking sod and soil and hand it to the military guy, explaining why this is in the top ten “Preps”. The military guy is handling this big awkward garden tool and his brain is shorting, sparks behind the eyeballs. Then I go Full Shock and Awe. “Come check out this awesome SHTF, apocalyptic extension ladder so I can clean the creosote out of my woodstove chimney. It’s #6 on the list of the most important survival items to own”, at which point the military guys head explodes and the headless corpse attacks me. I don’t fit into his world view and am thus, an existential threat to his self identity and place in the world.



I recently checked into Wikipedia for their history of Survivalism. I was there to pass on some info about the early influences of Reconstructionists, Racist groups and the Militia Movement in Survivalism. All that info has now been edited out of Wikipedia. I was shocked. Someone came in and completely “White Washed” it. What I was less shocked about was that Wikipedia had lumped Survivalists and Preppers under the same title saying they were the same thing. I had already seen them edit out the history of preppers. In many ways, it is true. Now days, preppers and survivalists are pretty much the same thing. Not so in the past. Preppers were a reaction to the excesses of the survivalist movement, in the same way as Protestants (protesters) were a reaction to the excesses of Catholicism. (FYI. I’m not picking on Catholics here)



As I have mentioned before, first use of the term “Prepping” in reference to the subject matter came from the Foxfire book series. I suppose I am foolish to think modern preppers or survivalists are already familiar with these books so here are some links.



https://www.foxfire.org/shop/category/books/



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxfire_%28magazine%29



For those of us that grew up with the Foxfire book series, You will already know it was a documentation of historical Appalachian homesteading practices.



Foxfire Vol. 1  (14 mb)

Foxfire Vol. 2  (18 mb)

Foxfire Vol. 3  (17 mb)

Foxfire Vol. 4  (14 mb)

Foxfire Vol. 5  42 mb)



The earlier prepper movement was much more of a homeschooling movement. Arguments were less about politics or gun culture and more about childhood education methods. Though mainly a christian movement, it was not exclusive. I guess folks that grew up with the sunday school hymnal of “Jesus loves the little children. All the Children of the world. Red and yellow, black and white, all are precious in his sight”, were less inclined to hate and exclusion. (I wish I could still say the same today but no)



With this inclusiveness, now-days it’s not unusual to find Black preppers or even Gay preppers, and more and more you find preppers moving towards Permaculture. The permaculture movement, turns out, is now filled with preppers, prepper light or prepper friendly folks, even if they disagree with the prepper movement.



Now, part of the reason I have taken you through this short history lesson is that as I intend to define The Adapters Movement, or to START The Adapters Movement, my deliberate intentions are to make it Exclusive. Not to exclude any group… but to intentionally make it difficult to use that name.



A guy in an apartment with a gun and a few boxes of MREs, obsessing about conspiracy theories on the internet wont be able to say he is an Adapter. A Field and Stream, hunting and fishing person with a seasonal cabin and a quad, wont be able to say they are an Adapter…, unless they have much more backing up the claim. A suburban housewife, planing for an ice storm or earthquake with a week of food, flashlight and a generator, definitely not an Adapter. A city guy into camping trips, justifying it as “Bug Out Training”… where to even begin with that one not being an Adapter. I put out a whole 5 part series on that. https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2017/06/23/c5-presents-the-fallacy-of-bugging-out-part-i-by-survival-acres/



Most importantly, a Survivalist in a large truck, clutching the Bible, the Constitution, a copy on Ayn Rand and The Turner Diaries,( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries )  unable to tell the difference, won’t be able to say, “I guess we are called Adapters Now. What ever. And by the way, we are better than Adapters… and we are claiming the name as our own” as happened with the preppers movement. You will be able to look them strait in the eye and say “The 80s called. They want their Booney hats, Fu Manchu mustaches, 1911’s and Soldier Of Fortune magazines back. You say you are an Adapter? Prove it Buzz Light Beer. If you are not practicing the Adaptation Principles, written down by the Adapters Movement founders, go play plastic survivalist man somewhere else.



The question then follows…. What is the Adapters Movement



Instead of breaching the subject to traditional preppers or survivalist, that I thought may be too trapped in their own ways of thinking to consider a complete tear-down and rebuild from the ground up, I decided to reach outside of the box a bit. I presented this job to folks over in the permaculture world for public debate as I knew they would be (to some degree) more outside of the box thinkers. My guess was that there would be less “self identification” to feel threatened or feel attacked buy a complete tear down of a system. Less “I Am a”…prepper or “I Am a”…survivalist or “I Am a”…Christian, where self identity and direction can be mixed up. Less PREVIOUS INVESTMENT and The Self to defend.



There was some real push back… and a few harsh words… but on the whole, my query was overwhelmingly greeted with enthusiasm, thoughtful participation and  several people went out of there way to thank me for bringing this up and taking on this labour.



I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised. Like going into a book store and finding out the post apocalyptic fiction section has been moved to current events.



Though it may seem like a nothing issue and easy to dismiss, one person wrote about their discomfort in the regular use of Apocalypse. You will notice that I use that term to describe our predicament more than other terms though it comes with inherent religious overtones. Sometimes Collapse does not do. Collapse from what to what? Banks closing or limiting withdrawals? Is that a collapse? Not really. That happens periodically in history. Life goes on. Generally, when I use SHTF or WROL or TEOTWAWKI, I am using the term sarcastically. Even mockingly. I use Apocalypse often because its a better discriptor and what we are facing is truly Apocalyptic. The commenter rightly  pointed out that most people read Apocalypse as the end of the world. The term means Revelation. The truth is Revealed.



Now, I am fully aware of this, being the wordy fellow that I am. It’s a subtle joke in my writing. Apocalypse is the moment the veil has been pulled back and the truth is exposed. It’s the moment people see that they have followed a lie, their suburban middle class lifestyle was a false god, weeping and nashing of teeth to follow. But it is not the end. When people use the term TEOTWAWKI or The End Of The World As We Know It, They generally only see The End Of The World part. I jump up and down waving my arms to point out the As We Know It part. This may seem a strange place to start my description and principles of The Adapters Movement, but it is good to point out, folks from other countries often point out and criticize that what North Americans call prepping is simply just called LIFE in most of the world.



And now the veil is pulled back and the truth is revealed of why I chose that incongruent piece of music to start this article, with the lyrics…



-“We’ve only just begun… to live…. So many roads to chose. We start out walking and learn to run… Sharing horizons that are new to us. Watching the signs along the way. Talking it over, just the two of us. Working together, day to day, together. And when the evening comes, we smile. So much of life ahead. We’ll find a place where there’s room to grow. And yes, We’ve just begun.”



The Adapters Movement- Pinciples and Directions



At its core, Adaptation is about living. It’s about Life, today and tomorrow. I wrote at the beginning of all this, “I tell people, I am not a Prepper anymore. I am already Prepped. (I am not living in the future) What I am now is an Adapter. I am ADAPTING my life NOW to the Apocalypse That Has Already Arrived.”



This may seem like a Don Quixote like jousting of windmills, so it was good to hear from others. One replied,



“your quest resonates with me.  Your observation that the apocalypse has already arrived and that we are living in it resonates with me.  Of course, as with anything else in this oddly-globalized world, it’s far from evenly distributed… Nor will it ever be evenly distributed…  But every time I turn on the news the horsemen are getting closer to my house.”     (I should ad that Malibu California is burning today.C5)



Another wrote, “It is more and more an apocalyptic place we live in. I agree. Maybe almost post-apoc. Communication is key… With communication comes information to save lives. Most people take it all for granted that we can talk to anyone anywhere, but what do they speak of?”



Still another wrote, “Wow, so many good thoughts on here! Thank you for starting this! My health crashed HARD in1996, I lost my health, my career, my friends, my money, everything. I am living the back side of SHTF…Anyone who has read my dumpster diving threads will know how I coped with a lot of that. I learned to adapt. I’m GOOD at adapt. I had to be. I KNOW I will have to adapt again at some point…What I’m doing with my life right now is putting into place what I wish I had the first time the world crashed around me, using the currently available resources to set up a life that doesn’t rely on needing that. I beat the rush! But hey, I have experience points now! I know more of what doesn’t work. “



To keep this all from becoming just a C5 love fest, I thought I would add a detractor. She wrote, “ your presentation reads like a Youtube motivational or real estate commercial.  Your aggressive dismissal of everyone else out there who is not using your vocabulary is a turnoff.    I got tired about half way through so I’m out. …and if spirit doesn’t give me enough to survive then, so be it.”



Well, I cant please everyone and I don’t make any attempt to. And clearly one of my defining principles is that I can’t save everyone. See Triage. Another Detractor wrote,..



“It appears this new “Adapters” movement can be simply defined by three traits: 1) We are not like survivalists or preppers . 2) We have a name for our movement but no original or feasible ideas/concepts to base a movement on. 3) Our defining group characteristic is our mutual desire to mock and ridicule survivalists/preppers”.



See my comments on people that would have there personal identity wrapped up with their self identifying titles, previous investment and actions. Now, lets move on to some of those “original or feasible ideas/concepts to base a movement on.”



So, the first Major Defining Principal is…



ACCEPTANCE



 



To be continued, next episode





Bonus reads that I will edit out later. I started writing this, mid October. Since then, many others were catching up with my thinking, often using the exact same words.



https://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/114741/collapse-already-here?utm_campaign=weekly_newsletter_373&utm_source=newsletter_2019-01-26&utm_medium=email_newsletter&utm_content=node_link_114741



 



http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2019/01/22/collapse-its-already-here/



 



 



 



 





 



 



 



 





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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2019, 11:32:15 AM »
Thanks for all the support.

Part II is now up.

https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2019/01/26/c5-defines-the-adapters-movement-in-four-parts-part-i-introduction/

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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2019, 11:49:46 AM »
So, the first Major Defining Principal is…ACCEPTANCE


Acceptance of reality, yes. The Four Horsemen of Collapse are real and headed for your neighborhood, wherever that might be.

Acceptance of some narrative about how it's bound to all go down....no thanks. Exactly NOBODY has a clue about that that, beyond some basic unassailable facts.

Here's a principle for you. The more you think you know, the more likely it is that you're completely full of shit.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2019, 09:13:41 PM »
Thanks for all the support.

Part II is now up.

https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2019/01/26/c5-defines-the-adapters-movement-in-four-parts-part-i-introduction/
perfect timing. I'm pondering a lot these days. One of the great parts of small scale solar that I play with when not with the larger company is the broad range of people I come across all out there building the adapter world. Today was a good example. 40 ish couple 3 kids family farm grandpa still on the land, hardcore aging hippie, German bio dynamics master gardeners, everything at dinner from the farm, all cooked on a woodstove. Very humbling and very soul recharging. I was just there to rewire a pump and add some electrical safety gear. I've sort of adopted them as my solar pro bono work. Helping them navigate the new gear without losing their shirt or be taken for a ride. By some solar con man. They pay in produce and beef to cover parts and gas. Just a great time and great company. The world needs more of that.
Cheers, looking forward to part 3
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2019, 08:51:13 AM »
Reminds me of my best friends grandparents, who lived on the farm next door to my grandfather's farm when I was a kid. My grandfather never worked after he went on social security. His health was crap after a lifetime of smoking.

But that old couple kept subsistence farming until I was grown and gone. I don't know how long they lived after they couldn't farm, but they were old people when I met them at age 7, and they kept the old way going until I left for college. I lost track of them after that.

I wish I had neighbors with that skill set.
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2019, 08:52:16 AM »
Thanks for all the support.

Part II is now up.

https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2019/01/26/c5-defines-the-adapters-movement-in-four-parts-part-i-introduction/
perfect timing. I'm pondering a lot these days. One of the great parts of small scale solar that I play with when not with the larger company is the broad range of people I come across all out there building the adapter world. Today was a good example. 40 ish couple 3 kids family farm grandpa still on the land, hardcore aging hippie, German bio dynamics master gardeners, everything at dinner from the farm, all cooked on a woodstove. Very humbling and very soul recharging. I was just there to rewire a pump and add some electrical safety gear. I've sort of adopted them as my solar pro bono work. Helping them navigate the new gear without losing their shirt or be taken for a ride. By some solar con man. They pay in produce and beef to cover parts and gas. Just a great time and great company. The world needs more of that.
Cheers, looking forward to part 3

Thanks NF. The difference between Canadians and Amerkans was once again reinforced. ;) as was that stage 5 of Dmitri Orlov's Five Stages of Collapse.

I wonder what  the connection between Germans and Biodynamics is. We had some here as well.

Part II hasn't been picking up the same speed though. Not surprised... as in part II people begin to realize they actually have do something that might alter their lives. ::) I may have no readership by part IV.  :evil4:

Decent bonus read today I may add to part III. The connection to what is happening in Venezuela and EROEI.
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/venezuelas-collapse-is-a-window-into-how-the-oil-age-will-unravel-f80aadff7786

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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2019, 09:10:40 AM »
Thanks for all the support.

Part II is now up.

https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2019/01/26/c5-defines-the-adapters-movement-in-four-parts-part-i-introduction/
perfect timing. I'm pondering a lot these days. One of the great parts of small scale solar that I play with when not with the larger company is the broad range of people I come across all out there building the adapter world. Today was a good example. 40 ish couple 3 kids family farm grandpa still on the land, hardcore aging hippie, German bio dynamics master gardeners, everything at dinner from the farm, all cooked on a woodstove. Very humbling and very soul recharging. I was just there to rewire a pump and add some electrical safety gear. I've sort of adopted them as my solar pro bono work. Helping them navigate the new gear without losing their shirt or be taken for a ride. By some solar con man. They pay in produce and beef to cover parts and gas. Just a great time and great company. The world needs more of that.
Cheers, looking forward to part 3

Thanks NF. The difference between Canadians and Amerkans was once again reinforced. ;) as was that stage 5 of Dmitri Orlov's Five Stages of Collapse.

I wonder what  the connection between Germans and Biodynamics is. We had some here as well.

Part II hasn't been picking up the same speed though. Not surprised... as in part II people begin to realize they actually have do something that might alter their lives. ::) I may have no readership by part IV.  :evil4:

Decent bonus read today I may add to part III. The connection to what is happening in Venezuela and EROEI.
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/venezuelas-collapse-is-a-window-into-how-the-oil-age-will-unravel-f80aadff7786
Steiner was Austrian so it seems to be most deeply rooted in the German people.
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2019, 10:06:28 AM »
Thanks for all the support.

Part II is now up.

https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2019/01/26/c5-defines-the-adapters-movement-in-four-parts-part-i-introduction/

I'm reading part 2 now. I will comment as I go.

So, what is acceptance. Lots of preppers say, “It’s not a matter of if. It’s a matter of when”. But if they really were in the Acceptance phase, it would be obvious because of their radically altered lifestyle. If a person is living in an unsustainable city or in an unsustainable location or practicing an unsustainable lifestyle, while just collecting stuff, there is clearly a disconnect. Denial.

I do have a problem with this assumption of yours, which I think is an assumption, and one someone like yourself is bound to make, because you have made the break with BAU (at significant cost) and now you have a clearly taken position that makes it easy to fall into a very normal human behavior...which is called JUSTIFICATION.

I don't think I'm in denial, even though I am "collecting stuff". I'm also collecting a lot of knowledge, about a lot of useful tech...low tech and high tech, both of which I expect to be useful over the short time I still expect to be sucking air.

Doing what you have done gets you a lot of kudos from people like RE who just wish they were capable of doing what you're doing, but are not, for one reason or another. I give you kudos too..but for a different reason. I like you because you have a sound mind and you act with the courage of your convictions.

Nevertheless, I fully defend my own decision to not do what you're doing, because I gave it plenty of consideration....could have done it and still could, but I chose to hang on for a bit longer, because BAU is a system to which I am very well adapted, and which is, on a daily basis, providing me with the means to adapt.

And there is another piece here that I'd like to mention. I am not waiting to die. I am living my life, one day at a time.

No matter how likely it is that society will collapse in the near term, a decision to go off-grid (and I use that in a very general way, meaning the whole enchilada of adapting to a subsistence lifestyle), to do so now would amount to changing a lot of plans I have that have been ongoing now for several decades, and are near coming to fruition.

We all have choices to make. Do not assume that people who make a different choice are ignorant or in denial. Some are, not doubt. Others, like myself, have our eyes wide open and choose a different path than you. Time will show if my decisions were the right ones.

Global warming
Economic Dependence.
Resource Depletion
Social Destabilization


I call them the Four Horsemen of Collapse. We agree on the problem set. What we don't know is the timing, or which horseman will be the one that sends us over the edge from slow collapse, which is ongoing, to a more rapid collapse, which I do expect, but which I expect to take longer than most people think. It's still an unknown. No doubt we are close. But close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, as an old friend of mine used to say.

In earth time, human lives last a millisecond anyway. We are on a cusp. It could be ten minutes or ten years. It could be twenty, or even 30 years, before we spiral down to a more chaotic state of affairs. The handwriting is surely on the wall. It won't be 100 years. We don't have that much time left. But even 20 years gets very near the end of my productive life. It may be that I will be like Joshua leading my people to Canaan, but I will not pass over into the world they are going to inhabit.

And I have a theory that between now and whatever day that the trucks quit running or the war begins or the crops all fail...that making money is a useful activity, as long as you put it to good purposes. Once you do what you have done, it becomes about ingenuity and salvage.
Important attributes, no doubt. But you can't afford to buy much, unless you have a trust fund, and I don't.

So, you’re looking for a place that is, and will continue to be:

well above sea level

not at the top of a bluff overlooking the sea that is being gradually eroded away

not situated so as to take the full brunt of tropical storms

not in the floodplain of a river

not in a desert or semi-desert that relies on water from fossil aquifers that are being depleted faster than they are replenished or rivers fed by glacial melt water

not subject to hot season temperatures or heat waves that are not survivable if the power goes out or you can’t afford air conditioning

receiving enough rain to allow for agriculture

with a growing season and soil that will support agriculture”



I agree with all that, but I didn't learn it from Irv Mills.

And the addendum I would make is that if you live already in some marginal area that is not clearly ALL WRONG, instead of spending your last nickel trying to find THE PERFECT SPOT, you might think about how you can be creative enough to make some changes that will allow your present location to suffice. My location is drier than I would like and hotter that I would like, but I believe it can provide the basics well into what is to come, if not forever. No place is forever. In India there are ruins of great cities that once thrived along the banks of rivers that no longer exist, and have been gone for so long they were completely forgotten by history. The only constant is change.

For years, that land had never seen a spray.. but before that, it was hay land for 25 plus years… and that land was still “poisoned”… and they can have up to a ten-year recovery time.”

If you were to go back to the very first entries on my Back To The Stead thread here, you would see that I learned that hard lesson. My place was not poisoned, but I almost poisoned it myself by trying to build soil with manure, which here, unfortunately, is mostly poisoned from the hay spraying. Live and learn.

C5, I think of you like a brother. Don't take any of my critique as an attack. I admire you and your partner. You are no doubt some of the best people anywhere, and your story gives me hope.  I'm just a curmudgeon who likes to make people look at things from a different perspective...which is usually MY perspective, which of course is clearly the most important one in the world..

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Doing what you have done gets you a lot of kudos from people like RE who just wish they were capable of doing what you're doing, but are not, for one reason or another. I give you kudos too..but for a different reason. I like you because you have a sound mind and you act with the courage of your convictions.

I definitely give Kudos to C5 for what he is doing, but if I was still the man I once was, I certainly would not be trying to do what he is doing.  He's a solo Doomsteader, and I have written many times about the deficiencies of that model.

If I was the RE of 20 years ago, I would be out in the Bush, Hunting, Fishing and Gathering.  I am a Nomad, I always have been, at least until I became a Cripple.  Now I can't even leave my digs without my Cripple Helper.  I am running on fumes these days.

I don't need to worry anymore about the timing of SHTF Day, but if I am still alive when that day comes, I will surely be a dead man within a week after that.  But I write to help others who are younger and in better health than I am.  That is my "agenda", which you should be well aware of by now.

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(This was originally written as one article. Peer reviewers have asked me to break it down into 4 parts. The 5th part will be the complete article presented as one)



Part I can be found here- https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2019/01/26/c5-defines-the-adapters-movement-in-four-parts-part-i-introduction/



 



Continued…



So, the first major Defining Principal is…



ACCEPTANCE



Acceptance is the final stage of the Kubler-Ross stages of grief. Wikipedia says, “The Kübler-Ross model is popularly known as the five stages of grief, though more accurately, the model postulates a progression of emotional states experienced by terminally ill patients after diagnosis. The five stages are chronologically: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.”



Our society and life support system ( The environment, economy, resource base and social bonding ties) is the terminally ill patient. Most folks in our society are in the first four stages. A simplistic analogy would be, the majority of the population are in the Denial Phase. Many people still know an apocalyptic future is coming but because it is not affecting them, they intentionally try not to look at it. They look with suspicion or mockery or fear at anyone actually doing something about it. Once this is shaken and people are seeing their lifestyle threatened, mostly those on the political Right, people swing into the Anger phase. Scapegoating, threats, shootings and bombings follow, weaving complex conspiracy theories in an attempt to bring their shattered inner world under control. People say they have been “Red Pilled” but they have only “Woken” from one control system and don’t realize they are now in the second control system, using The Matrix imagery. This is where a lot of new and inexperience preppers find themselves. An insightful fellow that I dont remember the name of, mentioned that for those that wake up into the second Matrix, that is where they will meet all the Adolf Hitlers. Though not exclusive, those on the political Left and the techno progressive utopians are in the Bargaining phase. They think we can solve all this with the right governmental modification. They think we can solve all of our problems or we can solve technological problems with even more technology. See my discussion on declining EROEI in a previous articles.   Now for those of us that have been doing this for A LONG time, we may find ourselves slipping in and out of the Depression phase a lot. (I just want to point out here that we already have the necessary technology to get through this and we have had it for a very long time. Hundreds of years. It’s just not the the answer that people want to hear. In fact, people reject it as unacceptable)



Acceptance means staring the reality strait in the face and actively deciding to move forward. Either to get on with the job of Living in a fundamentally changed world or getting on with dying.



In the conversation with Farmgal that started all this, it started with her sharing that she had shared my Windapult article with her readers… and 7 readers promptly unsubscribed to her. She laughed because she gets me. She then shared about recent death threats she has received. She asked “Have you been noticing that as all these disasters are happening, Denialism is increasing with it” (and I don’t just mean global warming deniers though they are a prime example). I replied, “People’s identities are wrapped up in their excuses. As reality slaps them in the face, they will not change their minds and confront their excuses. Instead, like a drug addict, they will DOUBLE DOWN on their dose. All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Then it is accepted as self evident. The NEXT phase is the “Violently Opposed” part.



I previously posted this but it is worth bringing back for a second read because of the context of this post.



12 reasons why people refuse to address the idea that we’re headed for near-term societal collapse



(Press on that to go to article. This is from the fellow that independently came up with the term, “Deep Adaptation”)



Another more recent article of the psychological side of Acceptance is here.



It’s all in your head: dissonance



(You will have to cut and paste this title into your search engine as it will not allow us to link) Though worth the whole read, the part of it I want to emphasize is as follows.



The people I talk to aren’t idiots. On the contrary, they can keep two thoughts in their heads, they’re able to see that two courses of events can be parallel, that what creates prosperity also erodes what it’s based on. That situations can be ambiguous — alternately symbiotic and parasitic. And yet I can’t talk about this. The discomfort is too great.”



“There are people who choose the doomsday narrative because they feel it’s a more correct description of reality. The price they pay is to some extent no longer being able to take part in society. It’s impossible to be happy about your colleagues’ foreign holidays or consumption. You can no longer view increased growth as something desirable and natural. The things that form the foundation of your interaction with other people no longer function. For these people, playing along means a betrayal of themselves. But speaking up makes them so difficult that those around them can’t stand to have them near. There are also many people who wholeheartedly live the progress narrative, who reject every threatening signal or feel confident that every threat can be conquered, just like everything else that once stood in the way of progress. But the majority of us live with our heads down, trying to find a way to avoid the discomfort.”



“When I began to write this essay it was winter. An unusually late, cold and snowy winter, following a period with an unusually high amount of rain. Now, as I finish the text, an extreme heatwave has just finished. Around me people are talking worriedly about the heat, only to go back in the next instant to discussing their holiday plans and renovation projects. We move in and out of these two major narratives, but never stop in the place where they meet. We don’t stop in the dissonance.



MrsC5 sent that article to me because this has been her experience over the last few years. She has started to avoid old friends because there is simply nothing realistic to talk about anymore. Friends are dropping her because she is too difficult. We find ourselves longing for people that actually “Accept” so that we can talk about the practicals of day to day adapting. For me, This has been the loneliness of my entire life. Superficial friends that I keep light hold of. MrsC5 is the first Keeper.



This effects every aspect of LIFE. How we spend money. Our views on employment. What vacations not to take. What vacation destinations to take for education. What news to view. What objects to own. What skills to learn. How to act. WHERE TO LIVE.



That has been a big one for me. I kept moving from place to place trying to find a suitable destination where Adaptation was feasible. It was a lonely road. I certainly appreciate having found it. Now to build roots.



So, what is acceptance. Lots of preppers say, “It’s not a matter of if. It’s a matter of when”. But if they really were in the Acceptance phase, it would be obvious because of their radically altered lifestyle. If a person is living in an unsustainable city or in an unsustainable location or practicing an unsustainable lifestyle, while just collecting stuff, there is clearly a disconnect. Denial.



Adapting is not the destination though. I dont expect people to have it all together before they can call themselves an Adapter. We certainly haven’t. But it is the path. And it starts with Acceptance.



Some preppers will say, “Prepping is like insurance. I hope I don’t have to use it but it is there if I do”. Unfortunately, we are not on the same page. We are not even playing in the same ball park.



These are the unavoidable disasters of our time. The reality we must face.



-A fundamentally destabilized climate that We All caused, that potentially will end the human race. That is happening NOW. Not some future event and is happening far faster and far worse than we allow ourselves to face.



-A fundamentally unstable Economic, life dependent base, teetering on the edge of collapse that Can Not fix itself. It must simply play out. This will not happen all at once, everywhere… and it will not be evenly distributed.



-A fundamental decline in resources that simple belt tightening or technological advance Can Not solve. The low hanging fruit has already been picked. The big money in extraction and Energy Return has already been made with nowhere left to go but down. And we have become totally dependent, to stay alive, on an ever increasing need for more resources that are simply in decline. This will continue until it is no longer economically viable to extract… and then IT WILL STOP.



-A fundamental Fracturing of social bonds, inter dependencies and social cohesion. From the family level to the community level to the state level  to the international level. The Hobbesian war of all against all. That Is Not a future event in a post apocalyptic world or Something to expect when the SHTF. That is what we have NOW. It has only been kept in check by the tolerance that comes from abundance where peoples lives are not directly threatened by resource and economic sharing and has, in the past been moderated by religious discipline, Charity and social institutions.



So,  the Acceptance Principle starts with acceptance that Anthropomorphic  global warming is real and it is A Lot worse than we have allowed ourselves to face. As I write this, (at the time of writing) the California fires are still beyond control. They are trying to find the bodies now. We have already forgotten about Florida, Puerto Rico, or Fort McMurray. We don’t even pay attention to Peru, The Dominican Republic, the Northern Mariana Islands, etc. etc. etc. Climate change deniers may have trouble using the Adapters moniker and there is not much I can do about that. It is a Cult and you can’t argue with cultists. You can systematically  go through each of their arguments and junk science and who wrote it and how much they got paid by which corporations or their hired ad agencies or professional spin doctors, and it does not matter because they simply can not hear it. To do so would shatters their Self Identifying Mythologies. An addict must hit rock bottom first. Before that happens, they usually double up their dose, embracing the most ridiculous conspiracies. You would be amazed how many people think all the disasters are caused by the Jews using supper technology blue beams, to take over the world and usher in the antichrist and all the palio-climatologists around the world (in countries that hate each other) are all part of a global satanic conspiracy to cover up that the earth is actually cooling and we are going into an ice age, and all the dead people are crisis actors. It is an addiction and it is best to look at it that way. As things get worse, I expect to see MORE of it. Not less. And people will be murdered for disagreeing with them.



We cant even begin to discuss The Triage Principal until we are well into Acceptance. And to be clear, Triage means Abandoning California, Florida, parts of Spain, northern South America and I can’t even speculate how far the next Dust Bowl will stretch.






Global warming of a few degrees may even sound nice on a cold day like today. But the reason it is cold today is because (at the time of writing) heat is pushing cold air out of polar regions towards us. Since the fall, we have been getting about 2 storms a week. Acceptance for me means I have to think about wind barriers, strengthening structures, increasing insulation, improving drainage, removing combustibles, ground moisture retention, adding storm proof greenhouses for season extenders, Accepting warming will also push unseasonable frosts and lethal cold snaps or lethal humidity and heat towards me, etc.



In the same way, we also have to look at Economic Dependence. These issues are not separate.  Preppers often focus on one issue while denying the others (often as a conspiracy). We have been through the biggest Economic Bubble in human History. Even with minor fluctuations, most people can not picture it all falling apart, even temporarily. It’s been growing for so long that it almost seems steady state and the natural order of things. If I were to say, “The worst Economic contraction in human history is about to happen and is happening as we speak”, most people have no reference point for this.. It seems crazy and alarmist. The realm of conspiracy nuts. Of political extremists.



All bubbles burst. That is the nature of economic bubbles.



Still, you may notice, I rarely use the term, “Economic Collapse” as is frequently used. I usually say, Economic contraction. A stock market crash or sell off is not a collapse. Hyper inflation is not a collapse. A “Bank holiday” or closure and stopping or limiting  withdrawals is not a collapse. These are all common occurrences. They happen all over the world.



Resource Depletion. Once again, people jump through incredible mental hoops to deny this, decrying anyone pointing it out as being part of a satanic conspiracy at worst, or uneducated Luddites at best. They celebrate each new reported fossil fuel “discovery” as proof. At the moment, fuel prices are at record lows because of a temporary glut. People can’t wrap their heads around that it is because oil companies were simply pumping as fast as they can, often much lower grade quality that can barely be called oil, often losing money while doing it, producing fuels that no longer provide society with economic excess energy return capital and a decline in consumer growth due to economic hollowing out when the pendulum swings back into high fuel costs. How people can not see that when you use something up, it is then gone, is beyond me. And it ain’t just fossil fuels and its many byproducts. It’s potash, copper, rare earths, uranium, soil nutrients, top soil and aquifer water itself. ETC. ETC. Even pollinator insects. That is an extinction level event on its own, right there. I live surrounded by wood lots, much of it on its seventh cutting. There is nothing Forrest like about it anymore. It is now just one great big mega fire waiting to happen.



Social Destabilization. It’s been going on for so long that people now believe it is the natural order.



In Dmitry Orlov’s 2013 book,  The Five Stages of Collapse, he talks about, in Stage Four, “Social Collapse. Faith that ‘your people will take care of you’ is lost, as local social institutions… run out of resources or fail through internal conflict”. In Stage 5, “People lose their capacity for ‘kindness, generosity, consideration, affection, honesty, hospitality, compassion, charity’. Families disband and compete as individuals for scarce resources”.



If we can take a mental step back and look, we are sort of already in stage five.



 



So the first Action Principle is…



LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION



If someone was wanting an original thought to define the adapters movement, something that makes it different from the established prepping or survivalist movement, this principal separates the wheat from the chaff.



I certainly won’t be the first person to talk about Strategic Relocation. It is a common theme, whether it is relocating to the Idaho or Montana Redoubt for political or racial reasons, finding a Bug Out Location, buying a farm, moving to “The Bush” or moving to a homestead and starting a permaculture farm.



Nicole Alderman pointed out that there are levels of preppers and survivalists. From those that have “3 days of food and flashlights and are prepared to adapt to a small power outage.” to those that have  “ taken a wilderness course, has cool gear and can ID some edibles…knows how to make a debris shelter and a bow and arrow and has backpack camped ” to those that “have some tactical tools, a month of food, and some guns“, to those “who have a garden, maybe some livestock and are trying to learn old-time skills.” to those at “bunker level! They have a buried shipping container filled with guns and freeze dried food and MREs and lots of money spent on all this cool stuff”. (personal note. Never bury a shipping container) ” They all start out pretty similar, and similar skills are revered, but they diverge at the higher levels, because of their differing values and priorities.



I see that less as levels and more as the progression of prepper/survivalist thought. The degrees of commitment. Almost all of them are heading towards “I must get some land”  (except for the backpack batman bush ninjas). It’s the end goal. Most don’t make it that far. “I must get out of the city” is as far as they get. After interacting with hundreds of “Preppers” on and off line, reading the posts, books and comments of thousands more, I have found myself thoroughly disappointed with the caliber of 99% of them.



Many of them think they will survive…. and that they are morally superior to non preppers, simply because they call themselves a prepper. It sounds silly when I put it that way, doesn’t it? But that is the vast majority of preppers. The shear contempt and dehumanization of non preppers, while they are so minimally “Prepped”. Even if they have accumulated tens of thousands of dollars of stuff.



Well here is my “Original or Feasible” thought. If you have made it though the Acceptance phase, taking into account those four unavoidable disasters, Climate Chaos, Economic Contraction and Dependence, Resource Depletion and Social Destabilization,  it would seem to me that your FIRST “Prep” or Adaptation would be to go outside and begin making a clear assessment of, if where you are… has any future. If the answer is NO, then you must begin the long process of examining areas that stand the best chance as these changes occur and begin the processes of moving there.



You will want to start this NOW. Not “After the collapse” or “When the shit hits the fan”. This is your first action or prep.



The rest is just fluff and self masturbation with sexy gear and camping trips until you get this one thing worked out. Your tens of thousands of dollars of preps will actually be difficult and expensive to move and that money might have been better used getting you into a location where sustainability is actually viable. A place of  increased safety. Your stuff may even keep you from moving. Its counter intuitive but your preps might kill you. I suppose you can pawn them for pennies on the dollar when you lose your job and need to pay rent so the state doesn’t take your children. Not a great long term plan. A refugee can only carry so much.. We have to stop calling this the romantic or patriotic sounding Bugging Out, and start calling it what it is. Being a Refugee or self made homeless person.



At this point, I want to introduce you to Irv Mills.



Irv shares the doomershere with me and is regularly presented at the Doomstead Diner. I also noticed he was my 50th subscriber. That is not quite true. I piss off a lot of people that unsubscribe. It’s a badge of honor. I don’t regurgitate the regular prepper prejudices, creating an echo chamber. I tell people what they need to hear. Not what they want to here. They may go away… but the seed will remain rattling around in their brains.



Irv is also a person that, independently started using Adaptation as a better discriptor than prepping. He recently wrote a 4 part series that started with the title ” Preparing For Collapse”… then changed title. His words…



“The title for this series of posts started out as “Preparing for collapse”, but in my last post I immediately went into a rant about how I see a hard, fast, world-crippling collapse as pretty improbable. What I’m observing instead is a slow collapse that has already been happening for several decades and will continue for several more, albeit with much the same end result as a fast collapse. KMO, one of my favorite podcasters and a follower of this blog, suggested a better title would be Responding to Collapse, and that’s what I’ll be using from now on.”



Soooo… a lot of these radical changes I am presenting are not so radical. Others are coming to the same conclusions, independently. It ain’t just me acting all narsasistic. Others have hit the same wall. People have been accumulating the same knowledge set and the transition of thought was an organic change. All change goes through 3 phases. As mentioned before, First it is ridiculed, then violently opposed, then accepted as self evident.



What does Irv Mills have to say about Adaptation, Acceptance and Location?



“things will be much worse in some areas than others and if you are clever you can arrange to be where you’ll miss the worst of it.”



“This is already starting to play out in some parts of the world where things are getting bad enough politically, economically and/or climate-wise that many are leaving in desperation. I am talking about places like the Middle East, North Africa, Venezuela and to some extent even Puerto Rico… As the numbers of refugees mount the welcome they receive gets less enthusiastic…A timely move, before things get serious, can put you on the right side of things.”



“So, you’re looking for a place that is, and will continue to be:





  • well above sea level





  • not at the top of a bluff overlooking the sea that is being gradually eroded away





  • not situated so as to take the full brunt of tropical storms





  • not in the floodplain of a river





  • not in a desert or semi-desert that relies on water from fossil aquifers that are being depleted faster than they are replenished or rivers fed by glacial melt water





  • not subject to hot season temperatures or heat waves that are not survivable if the power goes out or you can’t afford air conditioning





  • receiving enough rain to allow for agriculture





  • with a growing season and soil that will support agriculture”





(I love the succinctness of this. I would have droned on and on on each, especially  fossil aquifers and rivers fed by glacial melt. I would add, avoid any place with a dam upstream or heavy industry that use chemicals, upstream of your water supply)



“In addition to the problems caused by climate change, the other two main concerns of this blog (resource depletion and economic contraction) are going to see most of us becoming quite a bit poorer, and not relying on anything that uses much energy, including shipping things in from far away. Most of our own food will have to be grown locally”



“I’ll be talking about coping with the challenge of finding and fitting into a community that can survive under these conditions. For now I’ll just say don’t assume that collapse will relieve you of the necessity of earning a living in the growth based capitalist economy. It’s going to take a long time to switch over to a low energy, low consumption, non-growth economy and in the meantime, most of us will have to keep a foot in both worlds, and initially mainly in the currently existing world. So any plan for a move will have to take into account the necessity of earning a living where ever you go. You may well find that the pressure of earning a living pushes you in the opposite direction from what collapse related planning would indicate is best.”



“The good news is that there are many rural areas where:





  • adequate energy can be had locally in the form of firewood which can be cut by hand





  • potable water can be accessed from already existing wells that can be converted to hand or wind driven pumps and surface water that can be used with fairly simple filtration or treatment





  • sufficient food for the local population can be grown on existing farmland within walking distance of town, without fossil fuel powered machinery”





“Sure, it will require some degree of advance preparation and a willingness to adapt our lifestyles, but it is all quite doable. This is not the case in the city, where local resources for self-sufficient living are simply not available.”



“When I speak of rural areas, let me make it clear that I am talking about small towns of a few hundred to a few thousand people, surrounded by farmland, not isolated farmsteads. It will take more than a single family or two to make this work. Indeed isolation is one of the most debilitating conditions that you can find yourself in as a human being.”



(Yup. I agree. I live on a secluded farmstead. More than most, I know its shortcomings and dangers. Its counter intuitive.  You should move towards people. Not away from them. It may not be an option though. Many will only be able to afford land that others don’t want, at which point you have to think more like a fortified frontier post. Seclusion does not provide you with safety. Quite the opposite.)



“This is more than just a matter of getting out of the cities before things get really miserable there. It’s going to take some time to get set up where you are going and to become integrated into your new community. (C5 addition-Multiple years if not decades) At the moment, people are still leaving small rural towns to find work in the city, but the day will come when that flow reverses. You want to be seen as a relatively old hand in your small town when that happens.”  (C5 addition- many rural areas have already reached collapse. Its a buying opportunity. People want out. This is how we have a large farm, instead of a shack. More so, old, small farmers of Boomer age are giving up, retiring or dying without an heir willing to bankrupt themselves continuing farming. Industrial farming doesn’t want the small farms. It is counter intuitive but move towards collapse. Just don’t expect a traditional wage when you get there. Expect to be resented for a long period)



“Your remote location should ensure you won’t be overrun, (and) that a manageable number of refugees show up. Your aim should be to treat these folks as well as you treat yourselves and, without abusing them, to turn them into a resource rather than a burden. You will be switching over to a lifestyle where people are needed to replace automation, so that shouldn’t be too hard.”



You can find more from Irv Mills here.  http://theeasiestpersontofool.blogspot.com/



Thank you Irv. You saved me a lot of time awkwardly re writing the same thing. I would have droned on and on more about each point. We are going so far on our doomstead as to create low tech housing for urban refugees because we know we will need them…or we will FAIL.



I would like to add more to Irv Mills work. When considering the long term viability of a location, the new Rain Bombs and flash floods must be factored in. Not on a flood plane is the important one but there is more to that. You cannot be near anything that is a water flow area. A nice gully with a trickling creek becomes a water, mud and debris channel when a years amount of water shows up in 24 hours or all the snowpack melts in a week. You have to ask whether the ground you are on will stay in place or other ground is now heading toward you. You will want to ask if your road way will channel water towards you like an artificial river. You will need to know everything upstream from you like, is there an industrial feed lot, where a breach in a manure lagoon will send it into everyone’s well water. As with the Romaine lettuce,  E. coli O157:H7 outbreak, diseases associated with feed lots can include poop related infections, antibiotic resistant super strains of bacteria and even spread or mutate viruses, including jumping to humans.



My only critique of Irv’s work would be to point out that much of the agricultural land around small farming towns is entirely based on central irrigation practices, Diesel heavy machinery reliance and imported heavy chemical fertilizer input as well as toxic pesticides. In most cases, the soil is already dead and simply a sponge for fertilizer. Much of it was nominal land to start with, only made viable by the not so Green Revolution (oil revolution) (Hang on. I need to add in, The new same “Green Revolution” of solar and wind is the same oil revolution. No oil, no solar and wind power). Any interruption in these inputs  will cease to make them viable. More so, there are very few farmers left and the ones that are left are geared to industrial agriculture. They don’t have the skills to switch back. Any attempt to would mean they couldn’t pay their debts and would lose their land to banks as is happening now. Also keep in mind that a farm is not a magic supply of diverse food. In most cases, it is monoculture. Farmers get their food from the supermarket like everyone else. Rarely do they have their own truck gardens. They are too busy and in most cases they have already lost the skill set or it was lost with the previous generation.



I want to bring in Farmgal here for a horror story she faced.



She shared, “Four years ago, I got a call from a fellow garden guru who asked if I would go on a farm consult. I knew the new land owners as they had bought lamb from my farm over the years. So I said I would love to. Who does not want to see the start of new permaculture based farm. We did soil samples, hiked around, looked things over and talked about what they wanted.”



“Skip ahead three years and Hubby and I went for spring visit. They wanted to show us what had gotten done. LOTS of work was done. It was  by the book. There were hugelbeds, raised beds and so much more.. and it was all under producing and or dying or had died. I walked around with a puzzled look on my face for a couple of hours.”



“They were doing everything right, but if they truly had to live off their garden/land, they would be in trouble and they had spent thousands on setup and plans, they had added compost, created compost, they had deep bedded. They had plants that I had gotten at the same time on the same buy in that were producing in some case hundreds of pounds and had made many babies, where on their land, they were stunted things if still alive.. Finally I looked at the edge of a garden bed and smiled as I found some “weeds” that would be good eating”



“Finally I called in the big guns, I put in a request for a Skype call to Becca in the states and we went over it. It clicked for both of us when I said, the land will not even grow enough “weeds” to feed them.. and my hubby who had been listening said, did you notice that the top of the gentle swale’s while struggling were still alive, where the downsides were dead, did it truly click. Four years, that land had never seen a spray.. but before that, it was hay land for 25 plus years… and that land was still “poisoned”… and they can have up to a ten-year recovery time.”



“TEN BLEEDING YEARS.. so much for the idea that we can just take over crop land and add compost, add permaculture gardening principles. Even in their raised beds with imported soil and imported wood chips used as soil cover, they would get a good first year, a poor second year and they were having enough leaching on the lower areas that they could have death in the 3rd year! Think about that. The movement of the water in the pasture was enough to kill off a well created RAISED BED. If food is life… this was death.”



“At least we had a plan for them. You see they have lots of bush land and that land is uphill and never been sprayed. The idea was to use their clean bush as the compost builders.  I pushed hard to grow on the edges as that was the only place in our walks that we had some natural wild foods growing. When we sat down for a visit late fall after their first summer with this knowledge, they were pleased to tell me that indeed the edges will produce food when planted, that they moved over to planting on the higher ridges, off set from the way the water drained from the biggest hay field and they had been able to get returns. They also admitted that they thought about selling the land and moving to a different farm that didn’t have this issue as it would be a long coming six plus years to correct this issue.”



“The moral of the story? We can read it in the books. We can have the knowledge. We can have the seeds and the skills to make it but the soil itself can hold the failure. How many years will it be that the water movement though those hay fields will still limit their ability to grow the plants of their choice.”



My moral of the story. Just because you are surrounded by farmland or even purchase a farm, doesnt mean it can sustain the local community or even yourself. It can require years of work, not to grow food… but to grow soil.



That gets us to our first Minor, Sub Principal.



SELF SUFFICIENCY IS A MYTH



 



To be continued, next episode





Bonus Reads- To be edited out later- At the time of posting, one more lethal Polar Vortex is happening. For half a decade now, I have been warning folks that this is the new abnormal now. To understand why, go here-  https://theconversation.com/how-frigid-polar-vortex-blasts-are-connected-to-global-warming-110653



For those that need to understand why solar and wind electric power will not save us and why any “progressive environmentalist” should be outraged, go here- https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/3797-end-the-green-delusions-industrial-scale-renewable-energy-is-fossil-fuel?fbclid=IwAR0WAxZ7kW3chPtpMpVGN5CX8I_9ivaxw4cSgwGPXu-C_qkdS_wEm6AR7cI    A must read.



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This is where I usually pass the hat… but stick around for a bit and continue reading.



This took my all… and it did mentally burn me out some. I really reached deep. I did consider putting it behind a pay wall… for about 15 seconds. This is meant for the world. The most valuable “Tip” you can offer me here is for you to share this post. Re post it. Spread it around. Talk about it with people. If not, this has been a big ol’ waist. It dies in the dustbin of the internet.



I should also mention Farmgal gave me an ear full. She wrote, “STOP IT! LOL.. you are allowed to find a way to charge for your work! Yes, I fully agree that the principles and the overall needs to be free (with a request for give the tip) but this was a shit load of work and you have the right to value your time, your knowledge and your words.”



So, there you go. The paypal link is at top of the page where it says, “Giving Just the Tip”.



 



 



 



 



 





 



 



 



 



 





 



 



 



 



 





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Re: The Adapters Movement 1 - In Four Parts
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2019, 02:47:22 PM »
Thanks for putting it up.

I'm still in the burned out from writing phase... and I am looking forward to this series being put to rest and moving on. Only a bit more posting... then I can put my thinking organ to other uses.

I really am looking forward to seeing what Farmgal does with all of this and where she is going to go with all of it.

If you want to do some snooping... and undestand why I am sometimes hard on preppers, I noticed this at IPN   http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=7655

I need some new stimulus to poke at the brain pan a bit and see what boils

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Re: The Adapters Movement 1 - In Four Parts
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2019, 08:56:47 AM »
I can't find the thread for Part IV. Finally found time to read it. I must comment now, somewhere. This will do.

Since I'm limping along with my Windows back-up (which is really just an aging Samsung I use to run my storage biz software that won't run on Mac) I'll dispense with the cut and paste approach. I did manage to speed it up by removing a shit ton of bullshit that was slowing it down. Stuff that mostly came already loaded when I bought the damn thing.

This is my favorite of all four parts. You really outdid yourself on this one, C5. I'd give you a standing ovation, but I'm in my bathrobe and it'd look really stupid and un-warrior-like.

Thanks for the Texas honorable mention. Honor is a thing, as are ethics, and you either learn them early or you lose your chance. I credit my old man, who was from another time when Texas was barely past being a frontier.

There are still places in the world that have that frontier mentality. I noticed it the first time I went to the Caribbean. The further you get from the heart of the empire, the more likely you are to stumble on to it. Manners are important in a world where you might get the shit beat out of you if you're rude...or maybe take a bullet. Or just get shut out of a functioning local community and starve as a result.

I haven't read either of your favorite collapse books. I'll put 'em on my list. But now I'm looking forward to imagining myself being an old coot (the easy part)  living in the desert here way south of the climate wall after the collapse (the harder part).  Although I'm definitely looking north and planning (maybe someday) on ruining one of your already low-end neighborhoods up there in Canadia Land. Because this place already bears some striking resemblances to Mad Max country. This fantasy is being fueled by the tickets I bought for the Crypto Lottery.

Adapting is Permaculture...and it's also Transition. Too bad a lot of people interested in those movements are dicks too. Dicks are everywhere, it seems like. But not everybody, and not everywhere. There is hope.

Social capital is great, but for the moment, financial capital is nice too, and it furthers my intentions. I do realize that's likely to change. But there is a tendency to get out there ahead of the collapse curve too far, if you aren't careful. Getting by without a job, for instance is a tricky trade-off not many people can do yet. I'd love to shit-can mine, but it pays well. And I have a skill set I need to keep going, because it might be valuable on the other side of collapse anyway.

I need to go finish the dock. The lake comes back up next Sunday. More later if I can endure the frustration of being Mac-less and stranded in WindowsWorld.

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Re: The Adapters Movement 1 - In Four Parts
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2019, 04:23:08 PM »
 Getting by without a job, for instance is a tricky trade-off not many people can do yet. I'd love to shit-can mine, but it pays well. And I have a skill set I need to keep going, because it might be valuable on the other side of collapse anyway.
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In a nut shell that is why I'm playing with solar as well. Most of our clients are collapse blind but there are a few nuggets in the lot. Plus it really is impossible to get and maintain this knowledge without doing it everyday. It pays the bills...
I agree this was my favourite segment of the lot. I'll be sending some links around to friends, who knows maybe some of it will stick better than my dinner party rantings.

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Re: The Adapters Movement 1 - In Four Parts
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2019, 04:47:26 AM »
I read part 4 a few days ago when C-5 had just put it up on his website. Don't know what to say but I'm depressed as hell since then. No way out. I'll never have enough food or be able to grow enough. I should just shut up and drink myself to oblivion. Don't know what I will do when 2 or 3 relatives (and their kids and pets) show up after the SHTF. Maybe just shuffle some deck chairs as I watch the ship go down. Between Survival Acres and Arctic New 2019 AND C-5 there is nowhere to go but DOWN. AND DOWN FAST.
Hope you all have a nice and happy day here in Doom :icon_mrgreen:
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Re: The Adapters Movement 1 - In Four Parts
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2019, 05:07:20 AM »
I read part 4 a few days ago when C-5 had just put it up on his website. Don't know what to say but I'm depressed as hell since then. No way out. I'll never have enough food or be able to grow enough. I should just shut up and drink myself to oblivion. Don't know what I will do when 2 or 3 relatives (and their kids and pets) show up after the SHTF. Maybe just shuffle some deck chairs as I watch the ship go down. Between Survival Acres and Arctic New 2019 AND C-5 there is nowhere to go but DOWN. AND DOWN FAST.
Hope you all have a nice and happy day here in Doom :icon_mrgreen:
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In all likelihood, at least for a while you won't have to grow 100% of your food, it will just provide a nutritious supplement to what you get issued by Da Goobermint.  Ever hear the term "Government Cheese"?  Staples will get distributed out in some manner, I see a likely nationalization of the food production and distribution apparatus.  They can use the Walmart and Target distribution systems, both are very good with their logistics, better than the FSoA Military I think.

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