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Zombie Lifeboats
« on: February 28, 2013, 05:14:19 PM »
Jason Hepp brought up a good question today in another thread on the Diner.  He wondered whether there was still a point to helping all of the Undead zombies out there.  The ones who haven't figured out that BAU is pretty much over. 

For my part, Michael Ruppert convinced me to build a lifeboat and abandon ship.  I've been doing that ever since and that was about two years ago.  I was wondering if any of ya'll out there think it's worth wasting your resources to build a ship.  Cause that's what we at the Diner have decided to do.  It's called the Foxstead.  And it's located in the land of the Fox.  There are vixens present in these woods.

At any rate, who's still trying to save the zombies? 

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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2013, 05:25:36 PM »
Jason Hepp brought up a good question today in another thread on the Diner.  He wondered whether there was still a point to helping all of the Undead zombies out there.  The ones who haven't figured out that BAU is pretty much over. 

For my part, Michael Ruppert convinced me to build a lifeboat and abandon ship.  I've been doing that ever since and that was about two years ago.  I was wondering if any of ya'll out there think it's worth wasting your resources to build a ship.  Cause that's what we at the Diner have decided to do.  It's called the Foxstead.  And it's located in the land of the Fox.  There are vixens present in these woods.

At any rate, who's still trying to save the zombies?

Well, the operating credo is “save as many as you can.”

This theme has been discussed here at various times and in various threads. Some diners have spouses who don't even believe in propping. Denial and a bias in favor of the status quo are both powerful tonics, and help many people stave off depression.

Everybody here can connect dots and see a pattern. The world is filled with people who are unwilling to believe there are dots, let alone connect them. it seems to me that our obligation is to put the case in front of people. If people reject the evidence, then so be it. What many of us seem to be about is considering what we do from here, having accepted the evidence gained from connecting the dots. Next  steps, if you will. and as you note, the wheels are turning.

At some point, we have to deal with the question of what do we do when the zombies show up at our door.
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Re: Zombie Lifeboats
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2013, 05:30:43 PM »
Jason Hepp brought up a good question today in another thread on the Diner.  He wondered whether there was still a point to helping all of the Undead zombies out there.  The ones who haven't figured out that BAU is pretty much over. 

For my part, Michael Ruppert convinced me to build a lifeboat and abandon ship.  I've been doing that ever since and that was about two years ago.  I was wondering if any of ya'll out there think it's worth wasting your resources to build a ship.  Cause that's what we at the Diner have decided to do.  It's called the Foxstead.  And it's located in the land of the Fox.  There are vixens present in these woods.

At any rate, who's still trying to save the zombies?

Well the overall message and ethos of the Diner is to save as many as possible so on that token we should at the very least try and alert as many people as possible about what is really happening. Saying that we can only lead them into the right direction; we cannot make the final decision for them they must want to see the truth. It is like the old saying:

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"

I think what can really help our message in convincing people to jump ship however is if we can offer a viable alternative. At the end of the day we can basically scream the sky is falling and people maybe inclined to believe you (it will be easier to convince people as time moves forward). However because the hologram is so all encompassing and controls EVERY aspect of their (and our) lives people simply have no idea how to leave the matrix. If we can show through projects such as the Foxstead Organisation that a life outside capitalism is not only viable but better than capitalism then more people will join. At least our arguments would be compelling. The other bonus with idea is while you make a more convincing argument to jump ship you are also creating your own lifeboat. Best of both worlds I say. In any case I do not think most people are bad they are simply deluded or ignorant so we should not abandon our efforts on them completely. The only people who can be cast aside are the evil ones who know what is happening but simply want to further their own personal agendas at the expensive of others.

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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2013, 05:38:17 PM »

At some point, we have to deal with the question of what do we do when the zombies show up at our door.

I have some insight on that issue.  One thing I have noticed about the Permaculture type (of which I suppose I are one), is that they are notorious for dodging the issue of security.  I brought that issue up several times at the Permaculture in Action class that I took in 2012 in Asheville NC.  People just don't like thinking about the issue.  They prefer to bury their heads in the sand because it's easier.  I definitely understand this reaction.  But I also like planning for reality and not delusion.  Which is the point of the Foxstead I think. 

We've already fleshed out that gun issue at the Foxstead.  They exist, and so we must accept that fact.  We can't afford to be in denial about it.  Regardless, I'm not going to be caught dead without my Winchester model 94 30/30 that my father passed down to me.  I hunt deer with that rifle, with iron sites.  I find 100 yards more than fair without a scope.  If I have the skill to be where they are at, and they walk to within 100 yards of my position, they become food for my tribe.  But at least I take responsibility for the kill.  From where I drop him dead to meat on the grill.  Nothing is wasted from that deer.  At the bare minimum I compost the remains. 
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Re: Zombie Lifeboats
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2013, 06:14:22 PM »
I know it's all hearsay to you guys, but this afternoon a girl (Let's call her "Charity") who came to buy some of our excess chicken eggs responded to a brief interlude of LD saying the phrase "off grid" amidst a discussion we were having about farming and the like.

It perked up her ears and Charity told us a little story.

Apparently Charity's husband is related to a male who works at the Pentagon.  This Pentagon worker's wife is GUNG HO doomer Preppering some major food reserves.  She encouraged her family member, Charity, that she'd "Better start saving some canned goods and the like" and that "it was important that she do so."

I, personally, am going to retell this story as a little hook to anyone I think I might be able to grab and throw onto the lifeboat.  These "I know someone who knows someone" stories always seem to stick in people's minds, for some reason.  It's hokey, I know...but do what you can, right?

Because when someone with information from inside the PENTAGON tells you to save up food reserves, you BEST be listening to that advice. 

Hopefully the people I share this tale with will start asking more questions about why Pentagon wife would say something like that. "What does she know that we don't know?" and on and on from there.

Just something I thought I'd share.  It won't be my only tactic...but I think it is good stuff.  It may be convincing, at least.

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Re: Zombie Lifeboats
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2013, 06:24:53 PM »
Jason Hepp brought up a good question today in another thread on the Diner.  He wondered whether there was still a point to helping all of the Undead zombies out there.  The ones who haven't figured out that BAU is pretty much over. 

For my part, Michael Ruppert convinced me to build a lifeboat and abandon ship.  I've been doing that ever since and that was about two years ago.  I was wondering if any of ya'll out there think it's worth wasting your resources to build a ship.  Cause that's what we at the Diner have decided to do.  It's called the Foxstead.  And it's located in the land of the Fox.  There are vixens present in these woods.

At any rate, who's still trying to save the zombies?

They ain't zombies. They're people. And this thing may be a lifeboat, but what we're doin ain't for hidin'. It's for show.


At some point, we have to deal with the question of what do we do when the zombies show up at our door.

I have some insight on that issue.  One thing I have noticed about the Permaculture type (of which I suppose I are one), is that they are notorious for dodging the issue of security.  I brought that issue up several times at the Permaculture in Action class that I took in 2012 in Asheville NC.  People just don't like thinking about the issue.  They prefer to bury their heads in the sand because it's easier.  I definitely understand this reaction.  But I also like planning for reality and not delusion.  Which is the point of the Foxstead I think. 

We've already fleshed out that gun issue at the Foxstead.  They exist, and so we must accept that fact.  We can't afford to be in denial about it.  Regardless, I'm not going to be caught dead without my Winchester model 94 30/30 that my father passed down to me.  I hunt deer with that rifle, with iron sites.  I find 100 yards more than fair without a scope.  If I have the skill to be where they are at, and they walk to within 100 yards of my position, they become food for my tribe.  But at least I take responsibility for the kill.  From where I drop him dead to meat on the grill.  Nothing is wasted from that deer.  At the bare minimum I compost the remains. 

We talkin' about deer or people? If it's about people, with all the AR-15, M-4, drone etc, 30-30 ain't much. Though I shot my first several deer with that very gun. Never missed.   ;)

Which, I care more about building relations, as preservation against predation. 'Cause yeah, we're all not from around there.


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Re: Zombie Lifeboats
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2013, 06:38:35 PM »
well, for now, that's why you've got me.  Southern Californian born and bred in the South...Cakalack that is.

There is no way for you to know I'm really the Dude, SoCal surfer pothead...unless I tell you.  Moved here the first time when I was 10, moved back to SoCal when I was 18 and stayed for two weeks before I packed my two door Saturn SC2 up and high tailed it back to the south.  But then I'm Scotch/Irish so I really just came home when I was 10  ;D
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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2013, 06:44:29 PM »
well, for now, that's why you've got me.  Southern Californian born and bread in the South...Cakalack that is.

There is no way for you to know I'm really the Dude, SoCal surfer pothead...unless I tell you.  Moved here the first time when I was 10, moved back to SoCal when I was 18 and stayed for two weeks before I packed my two door Saturn SC2 up and high tailed it back to the south.  But then I'm Scotch/Irish so I really just came home when I was 10  ;D

Well, my last name is Duncan, which is an old Scot name, so maybe it will be a little like coming home for me to, if there are that many of you out there.  :icon_mrgreen:

So why don't we help as many as we can, from becoming zombies, eh?

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2013, 06:50:13 PM »
There is no way for you to know I'm really the Dude, SoCal surfer pothead...unless I tell you.  Moved here the first time when I was 10, moved back to SoCal when I was 18 and stayed for two weeks before I packed my two door Saturn SC2 up and high tailed it back to the south.  But then I'm Scotch/Irish so I really just came home when I was 10  ;D

I lived in Edinburgh for a few years. Beautiful city so this would be my claim to Scottishness. ;D In fact Edinburgh was the first place we properly settled after emigrating from Kuwait due to the first Gulf war so it has a special place for me.

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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2013, 07:48:36 PM »
Well I don't say it much on the intertube...but my last name is McCarty...and my mom's maiden name is McC....wouldn't you like to know  :laugh:

Monsta, Desert Storm refugee?  Really?  Well let me apologize for my association with Amerrrka...We aren't all dog shit here.  Real Americans don't do tyranny in any form.  I'm a REAL American.  I told the navy to suck it after 9/11 and I didn't care what the consequences were.  They stuck my ass in a solitary cage with nothing but bread and water over it.  I'll say it over and over again:
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2013, 07:54:52 PM »
I believe love is the answer. I believe we come to this plan of existence to evolve our souls/spirits for some murky purpose. I truly believe in helping all the people we can; it is the highest calling.

That being said there are people amongst us right now who are only filled with hate. They allowed fear to take over and only live in the physical world with no spiritual side at all. Nature is just a resource to be burned for profit. They live to get their piece of whatever they can; if not for the threat of jail they would rape and plunder right now. Some do despite the threat of the legal system. Now when the Wal-Mart truck does not bring them their food, Playboy Channel has no porn, their truck does not run and the law is to swamped to help these ole boys are going to snap. They will probably band together as evil men have always done; more guns/swords equal more loot. I have made sure the United States Marine Corps is well represented in my lifeboat. I do not agree with my Marines political views always, but we like the same music and believe that industrial civilization is collapsing (for different reasons). The main thing is they are decent caring people in my opinion.

I have been reading Marine Corp training manuals and one of the Marines I hope actually comes has studied military history non stop since he returned from Vietnam. He says one will need at least eight men for a fire team; the least number possible to man a 24 hour watch until things settle down. You will need to fortify your lifeboat so that if you are attacked by 30 men you can show them that although they might take you it will cost them to do it. I think if you make a good show of force any possible attackers will leave you alone. They will find out quick what it means to get shot in the arm with no medics, hospitals and the like. There will be many soft targets unfortunately so if you prove your teeth have a bite they will probably look elsewhere. And the truly crazy ones wont last long but I am worried about them the most (you won't be able to read their motives). One must try to understand their enemy in a tactical situation.

A good defensive posture does not mean aggression. It is only a deterrent. Lucid I know you have been through basic and you are Scotch Irish; I believe you should look after the security detail. ;) The Art of War by Sun Tzu is pure truth as far as tactical thinking goes. I would get the Marine Corps fire team manual or some other guide to setting up a basic defense. To neglect this may mean disaster down the line....

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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2013, 08:11:08 PM »
Mark, I've made it no mystery that I am a warrior.  WHD will vouch for me on that one.  He's been trying to calm me down for at least two years now.  Hell, I think he's just been following my blog out of a sense of altruism for those shit bags out there that need an attitude adjustment for various reasons. 

When it comes down to it, the sword is my language.  Skilled, studied, honed, and just plan dangerous...like a warrior fox.  I'm definitely a fox, cause you won't even know what happened to you until you are waking up without any freedom of movement.  I've got to buy enough time to talk to you...give you a chance to renounce your evil ways and start tellin' the damn truth for once.  Testify, when war is right outside your door...how loud do I have to get. 
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2013, 08:19:02 PM »
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Mark, I've made it know mystery that I am a warrior.  WHD will vouch for me on that one.  He's been trying to calm me down for at least two years now.  Hell, I think he's just been following my blog out of a sense of altruism for those shit bags out there that need an attitude adjustment for various reasons.

When it comes down to it, the sword is my language.  Skilled, studied, honed, and just plan dangerous...like a warrior fox.  I'm definitely a fox, cause you won't even know what happened to you until you are waking up without any freedom of movement.

Good. The fox is a perfect model on how to be when things give out..... I see you got it under control; I have no doubt it be good to be on your side in a fix!

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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2013, 08:27:05 PM »
Mark, I've made it know mystery that I am a warrior.  WHD will vouch for me on that one.  He's been trying to calm me down for at least two years now.  Hell, I think he's just been following my blog out of a sense of altruism for those shit bags out there that need an attitude adjustment for various reasons. 

When it comes down to it, the sword is my language.  Skilled, studied, honed, and just plan dangerous...like a warrior fox.  I'm definitely a fox, cause you won't even know what happened to you until you are waking up without any freedom of movement.  I've got to buy enough time to talk to you...give you a chance to renounce your evil ways and start tellin' the damn truth for once.  Testify, when war is right outside your door...how loud do I have to get. 
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Mark,

I haven't been trying to calm him down as much as focus him.  :exp-grin: Though I'm with you Mark. It's all about love.  ;)

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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2013, 08:29:28 PM »
cause I can't help it...

I remember crying in the theater when I was 14 years old watching this movie for the second time. 

It was years before I cried again.  I'm Aspergian...we don't cry easily. 

 

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