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« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2020, 10:11:31 AM »
I just caught up on this thread. Thanks for these rants K-Dog, it's neat to see how these other collapsitarians have gone off the rails in a whole bunch of ways.

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« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2020, 12:05:51 PM »
I just caught up on this thread. Thanks for these rants K-Dog, it's neat to see how these other collapsitarians have gone off the rails in a whole bunch of ways.

People are losing their shit all over the place.  Collapsitarians as a species suffer from inflated egos and narcissism.  Combine ego and narcissism with a thirst for money and power and it is like mixing fire and gunpowder.

Some of us who keep the thirst for money in check and admit we are narcissists have a fighting chance of being decent people.  Others go off the deep end.  Now fear is exposing people for what they are all over the place.

Me, I've know I'm a badass for a while.  ;D
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« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2020, 01:14:19 PM »
I did my rounds at Clusterfuck Nation this morning.  With COVID ravishing the land Trumpsters fold under my assaults.  It is like shooting fish in a barrel but who would ever want to do that. 

Prep work for the Kunstler screed, but we are not done with Guy it turns out.

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At the end of extinction only love remains and Guy has love to give. 

But science no, this video when broken down is no more than a tarot reading.



Other scientists are now onto aerosol masking  -- but he won't say who they are.  That is the card he throws down.

Instead Guy talks about old cherry picked data and with a sleight of his tongue you confabulate his cherry picked data with his new un-named experts who have come around to the correct point of view.  Unless you are under his spell his tricks are very transparent.  He reads your lifeline on your palm but looks in your eyes before he tells you what he sees.

On reflection I realize a Guy show is very much like a Trump show but Trump unfortunately is better at playing the game.  Both have snake oil they want to sell.

That said:

Send money now
.  Crop failures as early as June.  You do not have much time to show Guy your love.

Guy used to be a professional academic scientist -- but not a climate scientist, but rather an ecologist.

He stopped using scientific reasoning years and years ago. Nothing he says has any credibility to the informed.  He's a fraud, a fake and a lunatic.

Interestingly, I came within a hair's breadth of having him publicly taken down on a national radio show by a national radio talk show star worthy of respect..., by one of the world's top actual climate scientists (word famous), with other world famous names involved, but the deal fell through.  I don't think I want to use the names of the famous people. Just to avoid unnecessary repercussions -- since the deal fell through. But I almost helped in the take down. Then famous dude B asked famous guy A not to do it.  Sigh.
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Re: Cult Leader News
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2020, 03:58:20 PM »
I'm feeling my days at Clusterfuck Nation may be coming to an end.

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“Trump’s ability to give a speech is the least of his inadequacies.”

Great essay today, I liked how the different woo-woo expanations about how an natural accident waiting to happen in a wet market got conflated into bat-shit crazy impossibilities were dismissed.

Reminds me I have to drive over to Bills fortress of code and get my vaccination again today. They only last three weeks. Only ten miles.

But Trump not being able to give a speech? O come on. The mistake is calling a Trump performance a speech. Trump lies, I think JHK only pretends to miss that. JHK pays attention to how people talk and what they say and most of what Trump does is set the stage so his buffoonery can’t be seen for what it is. Is it possible for an experienced wordsmith to miss that? This inexperienced one has no trouble seeing that Trump does not give speeches. Trump gives dog and pony shows like a mountebank does. The two are NOT comparable. Trump is a walking commercial for a cult of personality, nothing more.

Either you are for Trump or against him and 1000+ dead a day leaves no room for ambiguity.

“his own unfortunate habit of jumbled impromptu speech”

A Trump so called speech is a deliberate manipulation to confuse people. Everything to Trump is a manipulation and a ”deal’.

Trump has a pickpockets idea of science and the confusion caused by his jumbled impromptu speech is only deliberate. And transparent too, but not before you clear your mind of the airs you give Trump when he seduces you with his lies. Perhaps regardless of skill if you marinate in conservative right wing elitist bile you are easily taken in.

If you fall for Trump bullshit you are a willing partner to his emotional confusion and cesspool of a brain-pan. Trump appears to pay attention to you and you love it. His words his tone, you crave it. The way he double fakes that smile, you eat it up.

I fully expect a Trump troll is waiting to insult me or claim I suffer from Trump derangement syndrome. I preferred the previous descriptor, having moral fiber.

K-Dog– Isn’t obvious I am not talking about Trump’s speeches, as in rally rhetoric, but rather his elongated off-the-cuff utterances. They are not the same. You’re pissing me off with your thick-headed condescention — JHK Admin

Right now I'm thinking it is time for me to say goodbye.  Not before I get the hook.  I don't care about that.  It looks to be time.

What do you think?
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« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2020, 04:37:19 PM »
Kunt-slur went Quisling long ago. Look up the term https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling

Some times when someone is afraid of something, they try to become the thing they are afraid of.

He spent to much time being dissed about his Jewishness by Nazis during Y2K. Just saying. He went quisling. It's my only explanation.  Back in my street day, back in the skin head days when we had to deal with that shit, we were confounded by jewish skinheads that thought Hitler was was the bee's knees. We were left scratching our heads as to how this happened.

I'm as confused as the next guy. Just saying. Sometimes your heroes just let you down.

By the way, I don't apologize for for the Kunt-Slur
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Re: Cult Leader News
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2020, 05:38:42 PM »
I'm feeling my days at Clusterfuck Nation may be coming to an end.

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@EvelynV

“Trump’s ability to give a speech is the least of his inadequacies.”

Great essay today, I liked how the different woo-woo expanations about how an natural accident waiting to happen in a wet market got conflated into bat-shit crazy impossibilities were dismissed.

Reminds me I have to drive over to Bills fortress of code and get my vaccination again today. They only last three weeks. Only ten miles.

But Trump not being able to give a speech? O come on. The mistake is calling a Trump performance a speech. Trump lies, I think JHK only pretends to miss that. JHK pays attention to how people talk and what they say and most of what Trump does is set the stage so his buffoonery can’t be seen for what it is. Is it possible for an experienced wordsmith to miss that? This inexperienced one has no trouble seeing that Trump does not give speeches. Trump gives dog and pony shows like a mountebank does. The two are NOT comparable. Trump is a walking commercial for a cult of personality, nothing more.

Either you are for Trump or against him and 1000+ dead a day leaves no room for ambiguity.

“his own unfortunate habit of jumbled impromptu speech”

A Trump so called speech is a deliberate manipulation to confuse people. Everything to Trump is a manipulation and a ”deal’.

Trump has a pickpockets idea of science and the confusion caused by his jumbled impromptu speech is only deliberate. And transparent too, but not before you clear your mind of the airs you give Trump when he seduces you with his lies. Perhaps regardless of skill if you marinate in conservative right wing elitist bile you are easily taken in.

If you fall for Trump bullshit you are a willing partner to his emotional confusion and cesspool of a brain-pan. Trump appears to pay attention to you and you love it. His words his tone, you crave it. The way he double fakes that smile, you eat it up.

I fully expect a Trump troll is waiting to insult me or claim I suffer from Trump derangement syndrome. I preferred the previous descriptor, having moral fiber.

K-Dog– Isn’t obvious I am not talking about Trump’s speeches, as in rally rhetoric, but rather his elongated off-the-cuff utterances. They are not the same. You’re pissing me off with your thick-headed condescention — JHK Admin

Right now I'm thinking it is time for me to say goodbye.  Not before I get the hook.  I don't care about that.  It looks to be time.

What do you think?

I went over there this morning and read the  thread that you had quoted. You attracted some real interesting fellow travelers. Read, “fuckwits.” If you think it’s only a matter of time, why not go out in a blaze of glory.? Make him do the deed. Then you can write about him and ping back to his blog. Karma being a bitch, And all.
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Re: Cult Leader News
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2020, 06:58:49 PM »
Kunt-slur went Quisling long ago. Look up the term https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling

Some times when someone is afraid of something, they try to become the thing they are afraid of.

He spent to much time being dissed about his Jewishness by Nazis during Y2K. Just saying. He went quisling. It's my only explanation.  Back in my street day, back in the skin head days when we had to deal with that shit, we were confounded by jewish skinheads that thought Hitler was was the bee's knees. We were left scratching our heads as to how this happened.

I'm as confused as the next guy. Just saying. Sometimes your heroes just let you down.

By the way, I don't apologize for for the Kunt-Slur

Apologize for Kunt-Slur, Don't, it is funny as shit.  It captures the inner curmudgeon.  I almost wish Kunstler was my name so I could laugh harder.  :laughing4:

I'm chewing on your suggestion.  I think you may be right.  If I do go that way I hope I don't need a 12 step program to stay away from clusterfuck nation.
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Re: Cult Leader News
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2020, 07:56:40 PM »
I'm feeling my days at Clusterfuck Nation may be coming to an end.

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@EvelynV

“Trump’s ability to give a speech is the least of his inadequacies.”

Great essay today, I liked how the different woo-woo expanations about how an natural accident waiting to happen in a wet market got conflated into bat-shit crazy impossibilities were dismissed.

Reminds me I have to drive over to Bills fortress of code and get my vaccination again today. They only last three weeks. Only ten miles.

But Trump not being able to give a speech? O come on. The mistake is calling a Trump performance a speech. Trump lies, I think JHK only pretends to miss that. JHK pays attention to how people talk and what they say and most of what Trump does is set the stage so his buffoonery can’t be seen for what it is. Is it possible for an experienced wordsmith to miss that? This inexperienced one has no trouble seeing that Trump does not give speeches. Trump gives dog and pony shows like a mountebank does. The two are NOT comparable. Trump is a walking commercial for a cult of personality, nothing more.

Either you are for Trump or against him and 1000  dead a day leaves no room for ambiguity.

“his own unfortunate habit of jumbled impromptu speech”

A Trump so called speech is a deliberate manipulation to confuse people. Everything to Trump is a manipulation and a ”deal’.

Trump has a pickpockets idea of science and the confusion caused by his jumbled impromptu speech is only deliberate. And transparent too, but not before you clear your mind of the airs you give Trump when he seduces you with his lies. Perhaps regardless of skill if you marinate in conservative right wing elitist bile you are easily taken in.

If you fall for Trump bullshit you are a willing partner to his emotional confusion and cesspool of a brain-pan. Trump appears to pay attention to you and you love it. His words his tone, you crave it. The way he double fakes that smile, you eat it up.

I fully expect a Trump troll is waiting to insult me or claim I suffer from Trump derangement syndrome. I preferred the previous descriptor, having moral fiber.

K-Dog– Isn’t obvious I am not talking about Trump’s speeches, as in rally rhetoric, but rather his elongated off-the-cuff utterances. They are not the same. You’re pissing me off with your thick-headed condescention — JHK Admin

Right now I'm thinking it is time for me to say goodbye.  Not before I get the hook.  I don't care about that.  It looks to be time.

What do you think?

I went over there this morning and read the  thread that you had quoted. You attracted some real interesting fellow travelers. Read, “fuckwits.” If you think it’s only a matter of time, why not go out in a blaze of glory.? Make him do the deed. Then you can write about him and ping back to his blog. Karma being a bitch, And all.

Some are fuckwits for sure.  Some are the cyber equivalent of Black Bloc.  Swimming and surviving with those sharks has been addictive.  It is a rush.  The decision at least for now is in Kunstler's court.  I wrote him an email.  I expect to be:

The Nail That Stands Up Who Gets Pounded Down

Chris Hedges explains Black Bloc very well.  Start 18 minutes in if you are in a hurry but the whole thing is good.  22 minutes in and the Blac Bloc and Occupy are mentioned.

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C5's talk of Quistling has really got me going too. 

Surly1, you know more about Occupy than I do.  Did you ever hear any talk of 'creatives' being set up as deep state fronts in those days?  Putting it all together in a blaze of glory might be very appropriate.  More than appropriate but there are answers I wish I had. 

Kunstler has tolerated an obvious Black Bloc for years.  Obvious for everyone else but since I was once able to physically penetrate his website and see who else was actually there with me some years ago; it is more than obvious to me.  And it must be to Kunstler too.  I had to just type that here to admit it to myself.  That Kunstler knows.  The black bloc is there and Kunstler has to know it.  I know it and if I could look at who was coming to his website so could he. 

Right from the start Kunstler played a game with me asking me to tell him what was going on (like he could not know).  I fell for it and when I suspected he might be involved I guess I did not know what to do.  I could not admit he was lying to me until now.  He knew.  He did a Trump on me.  He pretended to need me and he played a game and he exploited my trust.

That is the truth of why I have been at Clusterfuck Nation for so long.  I know a very dirty secret.  The place is a honeypot  and strongly suspect it is one notch dirtier than I actually know for sure.  There has been a personal element but now I am finally able to let it go.  I guess because I'm finally answering the question.  Why is it that Kunstler never criticizes Trump but yet claims he is not a supporter?

Tune in tomorrow for more of 'The World Turns'.  That is how it started.  Where were those fukwits on the spinning globe coming from I asked myself.  I was able to find out and that is why I have my own spinning globe on my own website now.

(All Kunstler ever had was the list and it was an unobtrusive link you had to click on. The revolver globe is optional.  I wrote the above that way because my globe is spinning now.  Who is there?  84.17.35.3 New York New York US unn-84-17-35-3.cdn77.com  Now that trace just got bumped for 91.242.162.135 allegedly in France. ).

Revolver maps, they can hack that.  They did not then, that is for sure.  But that is why I rolled my own map now, times change.  'They' do well at disguising themselves but when I post something new I am able to see activity and note that damn!  I post something new and some visitors appear to see what I have posted as if by magic.  As if they were lying in wait hungry for every word, 24/7. 

Bots are random, that is not what I'm talking about.

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What is the honeypot for?  To engage you to possibly put you on a list.  There are people who are paid to make lists as strange as that sounds.

If this has been of interest to you I suggest watching the Chris Hedges video all the way through.

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« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2020, 06:25:19 AM »
That's why it's never good to foment revolution on the internet.

I have a different view of Kunstler and his politics......but I agree about the honeypot part.

Much of what the Diner regulars view about Kunstler as racist or just generally conservative...has to do with him calling out the liberal side of our American politics...which he once supported...but has now come to realize is deeply flawed....and that the lunatics in liberal policy at the grassroots level are in charge of the asylum these days.

 "Woke Culture" and legislated pronouns and dishwashers at Harvard being heroes for smashing stained glass windows that offend them. It's a load of Marxist crap.

I don't think any of you have (yet) directly experienced the very real negative consequences of a system that blames all social injustice on blissfully unaware privileged white people.  You're all a bunch of iconoclasts who root for the oppressed. You're also Marxists, by your own proud admission. I'm not.

To me it's just one more brand of political theater.

I'm not saying that oppression isn't real. I'm saying that a false narrative is being built around the concept of social justice by people with an agenda I don't support and don't particularly like.

To me privilege is like porn.....I might not be able to define it perfectly, but I know it when I see it. There are a lot of privileged people in the world, and many of them aren't white. Privilege is about power and money and who gets to run the show.



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« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2020, 06:55:47 AM »
Right on Eddie

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« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2020, 09:55:40 AM »
Right on Eddie
Kuntsler grew up a block away from the Metropolitan Museum of Art but saw the error of his ways and is now working to bring them down. Huh?

Also, on the other side of Central Park (Cleopatra's Needle is in the park and the Semiramis apartment building on Central Park North.) I was taken to hear Bill Gates give a presentation in a relatively small forum in the 1990's when I was working for the oligarch.

While I sensed something was up with the whole thing at the time, I had no idea what was coming down the pike.

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« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2020, 11:50:21 AM »
That's why it's never good to foment revolution on the internet.

I have a different view of Kunstler and his politics......but I agree about the honeypot part.

Much of what the Diner regulars view about Kunstler as racist or just generally conservative...has to do with him calling out the liberal side of our American politics...which he once supported...but has now come to realize is deeply flawed....and that the lunatics in liberal policy at the grassroots level are in charge of the asylum these days.

Progressive liberals have been totally screwed for decades and they are not in charge of the asylum at all.  We all understand the concept of 'useful idiot' in the Diner.  The Chris Hedges video gets to this issue in spades.  Who is actually what is a walk down a hall of mirrors.  Things are often not what they seem and deep pockets pay for a lot of theatre. 

The neoliberal class is in charge and they are the good cop side of tyranny.  Nowhere are true 'liberals' in charge of anything.  My point is that taking the point of view you say Kunstler comes from only pisses people off.  And for good reason.  It comes off as pure elitist bullshit and it is dismissive.  As moniker says:

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Kuntsler grew up a block away from the Metropolitan Museum of Art but saw the error of his ways and is now working to bring them down. Huh?

Fair or not that is the way it comes off.

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 "Woke Culture" and legislated pronouns and dishwashers at Harvard being heroes for smashing stained glass windows that offend them. It's a load of Marxist crap.

The people you talk about are not Marxists.  Marxists actually work for a living and don't put down a video game one day and decide they are Marxist.  Being a college professor and just talking shit is also an insufficient qualification IMHO.  Real Marxists are not about screwing people over.
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I don't think any of you have (yet) directly experienced the very real negative consequences of a system that blames all social injustice on blissfully unaware privileged white people.  You're all a bunch of iconoclasts who root for the oppressed. You're also Marxists, by your own proud admission. I'm not.


I am totally aware of what you are talking about.  The people you mention don't stop talking just because there is only one white cracker in the room and I have been in plenty such rooms where I'm the .  What you are talking about is reverse racism and it is no different than walking into a welding store after a black man has left the store to hear white nimrods talking about what the difference between a truckload of tires and a truckload of niggers is.  I have been in those rooms too.

Racism is ugly no matter where it comes from.  And I'll never cross the threshold of an Airgas store again as long as I live.
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To me it's just one more brand of political theater.

I'm not saying that oppression isn't real. I'm saying that a false narrative is being built around the concept of social justice by people with an agenda I don't support and don't particularly like.

To me privilege is like porn.....I might not be able to define it perfectly, but I know it when I see it. There are a lot of privileged people in the world, and many of them aren't white. Privilege is about power and money and who gets to run the show.

You say you know it when you see it but things are not always what they seem.  I don't think you would know a real Marxist if you met one Eddie.  I hope that does not offend you and I am not trying to piss you off but that is the way it is. 

Our common ground is we can likely agree that what we see 'out there' is mostly theatre of some kind or other.

An observation I make is privileged white people get very upset when it comes their way but if you are on the short end of the stick and have to live with it all the time, every day, then you generally find less vitriolic ways to handle the madness.

Or die young.
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« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2020, 01:50:18 PM »

Much of what the Diner regulars view about Kunstler as racist or just generally conservative...has to do with him calling out the liberal side of our American politics...which he once supported...but has now come to realize is deeply flawed....and that the lunatics in liberal policy at the grassroots level are in charge of the asylum these days.

Progressive liberals have been totally screwed for decades and they are not in charge of the asylum at all.  We all understand the concept of 'useful idiot' in the Diner.  The Chris Hedges video gets to this issue in spades.  Who is actually what is a walk down a hall of mirrors.  Things are often not what they seem and deep pockets pay for a lot of theatre. 

The neoliberal class is in charge and they are the good cop side of tyranny.  Nowhere are true 'liberals' in charge of anything.  My point is that taking the point of view you say Kunstler comes from only pisses people off.  And for good reason.  It comes off as pure elitist bullshit and it is dismissive.  As moniker says:

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Kuntsler grew up a block away from the Metropolitan Museum of Art but saw the error of his ways and is now working to bring them down. Huh?

Fair or not that is the way it comes off.

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 "Woke Culture" and legislated pronouns and dishwashers at Harvard being heroes for smashing stained glass windows that offend them. It's a load of Marxist crap.

The people you talk about are not Marxists.  Marxists actually work for a living and don't put down a video game one day and decide they are Marxist.  Being a college professor and just talking shit is also an insufficient qualification IMHO.  Real Marxists are not about screwing people over.
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An observation I make is privileged white people get very upset when it comes their way but if you are on the short end of the stick and have to live with it all the time, every day, then you generally find less vitriolic ways to handle the madness.

Or die young.

I am glad you took this up. I for one am sick to death of arguing with Eddie and all of the other privileged white men who reject out of hand with epithets like "PC" and "Woke Culture" those who are sick of according rich white men class their traditional prerogatives. These people are not evil in the usual meaning of the word; but they ARE intentionally oblivious.

Whatever passes for the vitiated "left" in tis county never gets access to a microphone and a camera. CNN  and MSDNC are Dem party mouthpieces, and as you pointed out, this is by no means synonymous with "left." The. was the last time you saw any of the leftist who are occasionally mentioned here on Comcast or Viacom?

This testifies to the success of the abundantly-funded far right in the framing debate: you are either with us, or you're a "red." Corporate sellouts are now identified as "the left." And those of us who identify as the left are "Marxists."

Send your thank you card, and your tax deducted le donation, to the Charles and David Koch Foundation.

(Anyone  with HBO should be watching "The Plot Against America" on HBO. It is based on the Philip Roth novel of the same name, and produced by David Simon and Ed Burns, the same people who produced "The Wire." Charles Lindbergh wins the 1940 Repuke nomination on an "America First" ticket, and keeps the US out of WW II. It deals with these very themes, and not surprisingly is great storytelling. The parallels to today are abundant.)
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« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2020, 01:18:31 PM »
I know I went walkabout, so I assume that Eddie's comment about Diner's being Marxist doesn't apply to me.  I've changed a good bit in the last few years. 

What I'll say is that "from each according to ability and to each according to need," which I understand to be a Marxist sentiment, does not work.  It doesn't work because there are too many people whom are lazy.  There are too many people whom given the choice between working and acquiring more, or not working and acquiring their needs met for free will happily chose the later.  Those same people when forced to work will only work as hard as is required. 

Human nature is why socialism is never fair.  Healthy competition is more productive and rewarding.  It does swing the other way.  Which is why government regulation is necessary.  It's now my opinion that regulated capitalism, while not perfect, provides more hope for man. 

I do believe that we should have universal healthcare.  I see no reason why it can't work.  Basically it's just regulating big pharma. 
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« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2020, 05:36:27 PM »
I know I went walkabout, so I assume that Eddie's comment about Diner's being Marxist doesn't apply to me.  I've changed a good bit in the last few years. 

What I'll say is that "from each according to ability and to each according to need," which I understand to be a Marxist sentiment, does not work.  It doesn't work because there are too many people whom are lazy.  There are too many people whom given the choice between working and acquiring more, or not working and acquiring their needs met for free will happily chose the later.  Those same people when forced to work will only work as hard as is required. 

Human nature is why socialism is never fair.  Healthy competition is more productive and rewarding.  It does swing the other way.  Which is why government regulation is necessary.  It's now my opinion that regulated capitalism, while not perfect, provides more hope for man. 

I do believe that we should have universal healthcare.  I see no reason why it can't work.  Basically it's just regulating big pharma.

That is also a mis-characterization of socialism.  the best way to explain it is with a Richard Wolff video.  I'll remember and when I find the right one I'll be back with it.
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