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America’s Death Zones: Where NOT To Be When It Hits the Fan

Posted By Mac Slavo On April 4, 2013 @ 1:28 pm In Headline News | 412 Comments

As the potential for a globally destabilizing event becomes ever more probable, many concerned Americans are starting to wonder where they’d go if the worst were to happen.

To help answer that question, we can start by identifying the areas of the country to avoid.

The following map of the United States takes into account all of the gun related deaths since the Sandy Hook school shooting. You’ll likely notice that there is one common denominator. The majority of the violence has occurred in major metropolitan areas, with some incidents spreading into outlying ex-urban and rural areas. As of this writing 2,244 people have been killed [1] since December of 2012.

If this is the state of our nation during relative peacetime and perceived prosperity, imagine what it’ll look like in the midst of financial, economic or political turmoil.

Americans living east of the Mississippi River will likely experience the brunt of it. But anyone residing in and around any major U.S. city will, likewise, have a tough road ahead of them.

If you live in one of these red zones, you’d better plan accordingly:

                                         
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   As you may have guessed, the overwhelming factor in determining your chances of survival during a wide-scale regional or national emergency will be population density, a topic that has been extensively covered by Strategic Relocation specialist Joel Skousen [3]:

    …every crisis that threatens, even a local crisis, can turn exponential because of close proximity to people who cannot help themselves. Even good people panic in a crisis…

Wherever we find large groups of people, when crisis strikes we will also find the worst that mankind has to offer – rioting, looting, starvation and violence.

Survival expert James Rawles refers to them as the golden horde [4]; the thousands of people who will be desperate for supplies, shelter and safety in the aftermath of a major catastrophe:

    …there is just a thin veneer of civilization on our society. What is underneath is not pretty, and it does take much to peel away that veneer. You take your average urbanite or suburbanite and get him excessively cold, wet, tired, hungry and/or thirsty and take away his television, beer, drugs, and other pacifiers, and you will soon seen the savage within. It is like peeling the skin of an onion—remove a couple of layers and it gets very smelly. (Survival Blog [5])

Given the probability of the United States succumbing to any number of devastating catastrophes that may include an economic collapse [6], food shortages [7], pandemic [8], regional earthquakes [9], solar storms [10], or war [11], there is ample motivation for those with the means to do so to get out of densely populated areas [12] of the country. Likewise, living in locales with close proximity to major thoroughfares such as interstate highway systems could pose a danger as the ‘horde’ evacuates disaster-struck areas.

For many, relocation is not possible because of job requirements or other factors. Thus, those of us who are left with no choice but to remain in populated urban or sub-urban areas, it is strongly recommended that you consider preparedness planning [13] for staying put, or bugging in [14], during an emergency. It’s not the ideal scenario, but if you plan on hunkering down then you may find it advantageous to have food stores [15] and other long-term supplies, as well as home defense plans [16]. And, should things get so bad that you have to leave [17] your primary residence, be sure to have evacuation plans [18] in place.

The U.S. government is actively preparing to deal with the aftermath [19] of many of the possible crises cited above, namely the civil unrest that will follow. Police and military units are training to deal specifically with urban scenarios because emergency services planners understand that America’s metropolitan death zones will be completely devoid of law & order.

If you’re in one of these areas, and plan on staying during a major crisis, take steps now to prepare for the inevitability of mass chaos.

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Re: America’s Death Zones: Where NOT To Be When TSHTF Hits the Fan
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2013, 06:22:33 AM »
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It only stands to reason that the places with the greatest Population also have the most Deaths.  It would be interesting to see a similar map normalized for population size, and do Deaths by Population Percentage rather than absolute numbers.

One small quibble, the concept of "Bugging In" or Shelter in Place only works for Short Term Emergencies say 2 months or less that might come from a Katrina or Sandy event.  You have to hope Da Goobermint will get systems up and running again.  Otherwise, the Zombies will start knocking on the door.

Best to have plans to GTF Outta Dodge when Disaster strikes.  Bugout Machine!


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Re: America’s Death Zones: Where NOT To Be When TSHTF Hits the Fan
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2013, 07:04:02 AM »
I would not have had you pegged as an shtfplan reader ox, I think he may be slowly coming round foxers!

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Re: America’s Death Zones: Where NOT To Be When TSHTF Hits the Fan
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2013, 07:06:41 AM »
I would not have had you pegged as an shtfplan reader ox, I think he may be slowly coming round foxers!

Don't sell GO short; lots of nuances there. Including the capacity to rope-a-dope the Proprietor, and take a bunch of body shots, and keep smiling.

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Re: America’s Death Zones: Where NOT To Be When TSHTF Hits the Fan
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2013, 07:43:41 AM »
I would not have had you pegged as an shtfplan reader ox, I think he may be slowly coming round foxers!

If I were it would be to no avail. You don't know my sweet Pussy. Wish I could write what she said to me on mentioning the project, but it's dungeon material.

Mother warned me, but alas who listens to the old timers? She always hated Pussy and told me she was nothing but a  "Gold Digger"

Love is blind my friends, didn't even get a prenuptial, mother begged me to,  I was so smitten by Cupid's Arrow. You single guys just don't understand.  :'(

                                                             
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I think you can surmise from the picture of Pussy and me discussing the project what my sweet damsel thought of the idea. If it weren't rated Triple XXX times infinity I would give you just a small sample. YOU WERE RIGHT MA!  I'm screwed, no prenuptial either. What oh What have I done.   :'( :-\ :exp-undecided: :exp-embarrassed:
 

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Re: America’s Death Zones: Where NOT To Be When TSHTF Hits the Fan
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2013, 10:17:43 AM »
I disagree with the notion that you can find the best location to be when TSHTF based on this kind of data. While I generally agree with what J.W. Rawles says, I don't think the only places that will prove to be (relatively) safe are the extremely low population density areas of the Northwest. While my own doomstead is only 50 miles from a medium city, I'd invite you to try walking there from Austin on a hot summer day before you decide how remote that is.

I also don't believe in the whole Golden Horde concept. While there may be marauding bands, the majority people will curl up in a corner and die without making much of a fuss. In this part of the country, when the air conditioning quits, people will die like flies. It will be a major factor, the loss of cooling.

And in the same way that I believe my house is better protected now by my dogs than it would be by a fancy alarm system, I believe that marauders will go right on by a house where a well armed family with good dogs is hunkered down and able to lay down some fire on their ass.
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Re: America’s Death Zones: Where NOT To Be When TSHTF Hits the Fan
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2013, 10:42:44 AM »
I kind of agree with you, Eddie.   I think the way the subject line phrases it is good.  There are going to be places where death rates are horrendously high without modern infrastructure, almost irrespective of how well prepared you are.  But outside of the worst spots, I think the most important survival factors will be, in order:

1. Attitude
2. Luck
3. Familiarity with your surroundings
4. Survival knowledge
5. Material preparations

I don't think any spot is going to be safe, but I do appreciate what Rawles is doing: the more like-minded individuals he can draw to the area, the better their chances will be.
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Re: America’s Death Zones: Where NOT To Be When TSHTF Hits the Fan
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2013, 10:51:45 AM »
I'd put that list in a different order:

1. Material preps...because without them you're screwed no matter what.
2. Survival knowledge....and to me this would include how to grow lots of food, not just how to spend three days in the woods with just a knife.
3.Familiarity with surroundings....and being in a spot that's at least reasonably defensible
4. Attitude....yes, very, very important
5. Luck...if you have all of the above, you have created your own good luck...of course, no place is perfectly safe
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Re: America’s Death Zones: Where NOT To Be When TSHTF Hits the Fan
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2013, 10:56:44 AM »
It only stands to reason that the places with the greatest Population also have the most Deaths.  It would be interesting to see a similar map normalized for population size, and do Deaths by Population Percentage rather than absolute numbers.
I have an interesting anecdote about that from cartography class.  Every year in Pennsylvania, Forest County always has either the highest or the lowest Per Capita Murder rate, because if there is a murder, there are so few people living there that the rate per person is very high.  Of course, if there isn't a murder, it automatically is the lowest.
One small quibble, the concept of "Bugging In" or Shelter in Place only works for Short Term Emergencies say 2 months or less that might come from a Katrina or Sandy event.
... you mean, unless you're already on your Foxstead, right?  :icon_mrgreen:
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Re: America’s Death Zones: Where NOT To Be When TSHTF Hits the Fan
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2013, 10:59:29 AM »
Our ERV is the family's cattle ranch.  Would take a platoon-sized unit or greater to take it by force.  Hopefully we'll have made a move to a doomstead in more stable times, but as a fall-back plan, it's adequate.   



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Re: America’s Death Zones: Where NOT To Be When TSHTF Hits the Fan
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2013, 11:55:34 AM »
LOL... I was pondering why our lists were so different, then it occurred to me, you were probably taking mine as a kind of recommendation.  I really said it the wrong way.  Try this:

Factors most likely to get you killed after TSHTF:
1. Having a bad attitude
2. Getting unlucky / being in the wrong place at the wrong time
3. Being unfamiliar with your surroundings
4. Not knowing how to keep yourself alive
5. Not having material preparations
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How to pick a Bug Out Location
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2015, 11:32:49 PM »
https://uscrow.org/2015/10/05/how-to-pick-a-bug-out-location/

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