AuthorTopic: How Democrats And Republicans Differ On Matters Of Wealth And Equality  (Read 135 times)

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If you’re a rich Democrat, you wake up each day with self-loathing, wondering how you can make the world more egalitarian. Please tax me more, you say to your elected officials. Until then, the next thing you do is call your financial advisor to inquire about tax shelters.

If you’re a poor Republican, however, you have more in common with the Democratic Party than the traditional Wall Street, big business base of the Republican Party, according to a survey by the Voter Study Group, a two-year-old consortium made up of academics and think tank scholars from across the political spectrum. That means the mostly conservative American Enterprise Institute and Cato were also on board with professors from Stanford and Georgetown universities when conducting this study, released this month.

The fact that lower-income Republicans, largely known as the “basket of deplorables,” support more social spending and taxing the rich was a key takeaway from this year’s report, says Lee Drutman, senior fellow on the political reform program at New America, a Washington D.C.-based think tank.

”It is pretty striking that about a fifth of Republicans had views closer to the median Democrat than their own party,” he says. “A lot of them actually want a sizeable social welfare state. It’s a little bit of a puzzle why they don’t vote for the Democratic Party, other than long-standing cultural ties maybe and other ballot issues. What we have here is just one of the two parties stands out to have a bunch of its supporters in opposition to some of the party’s economic platforms but still gives them their vote."

Across party lines, only 37% of respondents said they supported government getting active in reducing differences in income, close to the 39% who opposed it outright. Some 24% had no opinion on the subject.

But when looked at closer, a plurality of voters (72%) across the spectrum said the government should provide tax credits for low-income workers. Some 60% are in favor of raising the minimum wage, and 58% were in favor of raising taxes for those families earning over $200,000 a year.

Across party lines, Democrats were the ones who were most interested in a higher tax burden for the wealthy, though it is unclear if they considered themselves to be part of the income group that would be hit with higher taxation in a more progressive tax structure.

An overwhelming majority (79%) of Democrats earning under $40,000 a year wanted to tax the rich more. Democratic Party voters earning over $80,000 were 83% on board with taxing higher incomes at higher rates.

For Republicans earning under $40,000, 45% were in favor of taxing the rich. Republicans who earned over $80,000 didn’t like the idea. Only 23% were in favor.

Democrats and Republicans also seem to parrot party narratives. If the Democratic line is that rich people don’t pay their fair share, and that low-income individuals are struggling due to discrimination, then it is the opposite for Republicans who take a more personal responsibility approach, by and large.

Some 67% of Democrats said people are poor because the economic system (read: capitalism) is unfair. Only 17% of Republicans think so.

Worth noting, only 37% of independents think people are poor because of an oppressive economic system, meaning the Democrats have lost the middle on that one.

Another 60% of Democrats think people are poor because they are being discriminated against. Only 13% of Republicans think so, and 29% of independents said that statement was “extremely” or “very” true/important.

On the low end of the spectrum, only 20% of Democrats said people were poor because they didn’t work hard, while 49% of Republicans believed that was the case.

Democrats are also convinced that wealthy people exploit those who work for them. A whopping 78% of Democratic Party voters said wealthy people either “somewhat” exploit or (“very”) exploit their workers. Some 38% of Republicans think so. But the Democrats here have a winner. A majority of independents (60%) also believe that to be the case.

Another takeaway: Rich people have got it made.

Not because they are rich, but because they use that to obtain other advances perceived as shutting others out of the running.

A majority of survey respondents regardless of party affiliation believe wealthy people hold too much sway in Washington and give undue advantages to friends and family.

This is the Voter Study Group’s second report on partisan views of economic policy.

“I did some analysis of 2016 data regarding (Bernie) Sanders and (Hillary) Clinton supporters’ views of economic policy,” says Drutman. “They were pretty much the same. That’s broadly true today, too. Democrats want more social welfare spending.”

Jun 24, 2019

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2019/06/24/how-democrats-and-republicans-differ-on-matters-of-wealth--equality/#33848a4f702f
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It is pretty striking that about a fifth of Republicans had views closer to the median Democrat than their own party,” he says. “A lot of them actually want a sizeable social welfare state. It’s a little bit of a puzzle why they don’t vote for the Democratic Party, other than long-standing cultural ties maybe and other ballot issues. What we have here is just one of the two parties stands out to have a bunch of its supporters in opposition to some of the party’s economic platforms but still gives them their vote."

It isn't much of a puzzle. It is precisely because they identify the Democratic Party as the party of various special groups of people with special rights...ethnic minorities, LGBTQ, radical feminists, and immigrants. And they are roped in by the Republican's lip service to their religious beliefs....and their pro-life stance on abortion and birth control.

The puzzle is that authors like this one can't figure that out.

But then the Democratic Party leadership is clueless too.
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It is pretty striking that about a fifth of Republicans had views closer to the median Democrat than their own party,” he says. “A lot of them actually want a sizeable social welfare state. It’s a little bit of a puzzle why they don’t vote for the Democratic Party, other than long-standing cultural ties maybe and other ballot issues. What we have here is just one of the two parties stands out to have a bunch of its supporters in opposition to some of the party’s economic platforms but still gives them their vote."

It isn't much of a puzzle. It is precisely because they identify the Democratic Party as the party of various special groups of people with special rights...ethnic minorities, LGBTQ, radical feminists, and immigrants. And they are roped in by the Republican's lip service to their religious beliefs....and their pro-life stance on abortion and birth control.

The puzzle is that authors like this one can't figure that out.

But then the Democratic Party leadership is clueless too.

I do understand your major complaint about how the poor and most of the Democratic party wastes more than half their time on useless social justice issues. What I need to know is what these folk need to be working on to change the system for all of us.? What can they do? Write their congressmen/women and tell them they oppose or support legislation? Protest peacefully.?.it hasn't gotten them anywhere yet. How do we change their value system in a way that they take more responsibility for their lot in life? It is easy to complain about this and it needs to be understood, but what can we do other than complain?
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I did see something on a news reel about how in the L.A. ( I think ) they got in lines and blocked traffic on a major roadway. That is the tactics of Extinction Rebellion, and it worked and changed several major policies in the UK. Maybe that is what needs to come next.?
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It is pretty striking that about a fifth of Republicans had views closer to the median Democrat than their own party,” he says. “A lot of them actually want a sizeable social welfare state. It’s a little bit of a puzzle why they don’t vote for the Democratic Party, other than long-standing cultural ties maybe and other ballot issues. What we have here is just one of the two parties stands out to have a bunch of its supporters in opposition to some of the party’s economic platforms but still gives them their vote."

It isn't much of a puzzle. It is precisely because they identify the Democratic Party as the party of various special groups of people with special rights...ethnic minorities, LGBTQ, radical feminists, and immigrants. And they are roped in by the Republican's lip service to their religious beliefs....and their pro-life stance on abortion and birth control.

The puzzle is that authors like this one can't figure that out.

But then the Democratic Party leadership is clueless too.

I do understand your major complaint about how the poor and most of the Democratic party wastes more than half their time on useless social justice issues. What I need to know is what these folk need to be working on to change the system for all of us.? What can they do? Write their congressmen/women and tell them they oppose or support legislation? Protest peacefully.?.it hasn't gotten them anywhere yet. How do we change their value system in a way that they take more responsibility for their lot in life? It is easy to complain about this and it needs to be understood, but what can we do other than complain?

The biggest problem with building a real peoples party is apathy; Even a fairly obvious candidate for change like Bernie....can't get people off their asses and to the polls on Election Day.

We need to come together and vote for change on the things we can. Like single payer healthcare for everybody.....this should bring people together..it's a no-brainer.......but the corporates and their merchants of doubt are alway successful on creating false narratives that divide us.

To me, that looks like the low hanging fruit....not that it's hanging that low....but it could be attainable..but only if people organize and vote.

Term limits...people should be in the streets demanding term limits for politicians. a huge issue.....and one that could be changed if the masses rose up and demanded it.
Of course, you are correct that defeating Trump is the MOST important issue.....to not do that is to accept another waterfall drop in the standard of living for most of us..

Climate change is an issue that can galvanize people and lead to change......but I don't like to see it become the issue of the radical fringe.....which is happening, with ER.

The enemy of poor people, black and white, is Wall Street and the Big Banks. Big Insurance and Big Pharma.  The mortgage banking industry is still rife with inequality.

We should demand that usury be outlawed. Why should some people pay 2% interest and some other guy pay 23%....for a damn car loan? For a credit card?

People are just so damn passive. This weekend we have lots of people in the street over what happened to a black guy killed by a bad cop. Here in Austin there is a huge demonstration...I am watching it now being streamed online.....it's almost all young WHITE people.  Two of my kids are down there marching.

But only some really emotionally charged issue like this can bring people out. It's the exception, not the rule.




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Thanks for giving your educated advice on this Eddie. I am going to really study these issues, and am going to see if they are REAL and VERY IMPORTANT issues/platforms that Biden and the party ADOPT. I think you are spot on this, so somehow we have to convince Biden and his crew to tackle these issues first. Great answer! Thnx.
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It is pretty striking that about a fifth of Republicans had views closer to the median Democrat than their own party,” he says. “A lot of them actually want a sizeable social welfare state. It’s a little bit of a puzzle why they don’t vote for the Democratic Party, other than long-standing cultural ties maybe and other ballot issues. What we have here is just one of the two parties stands out to have a bunch of its supporters in opposition to some of the party’s economic platforms but still gives them their vote."

It isn't much of a puzzle. It is precisely because they identify the Democratic Party as the party of various special groups of people with special rights...ethnic minorities, LGBTQ, radical feminists, and immigrants. And they are roped in by the Republican's lip service to their religious beliefs....and their pro-life stance on abortion and birth control.

The puzzle is that authors like this one can't figure that out.

Uncle Cracker rises again. Couldn't possibly be that white conservatives don't have the sense to sort out their own economic self-interest.
'And remember kiddos, all "social justice issues" are useless. Says the man who benefits mightily from structural racism, but will furiously deny same.

But then the Democratic Party leadership is clueless too.

Classic bothsiderism. What you say when you got nuthin'. Let's all join in another chorus of, "But her emails..."
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It is pretty striking that about a fifth of Republicans had views closer to the median Democrat than their own party,” he says. “A lot of them actually want a sizeable social welfare state. It’s a little bit of a puzzle why they don’t vote for the Democratic Party, other than long-standing cultural ties maybe and other ballot issues. What we have here is just one of the two parties stands out to have a bunch of its supporters in opposition to some of the party’s economic platforms but still gives them their vote."

It isn't much of a puzzle. It is precisely because they identify the Democratic Party as the party of various special groups of people with special rights...ethnic minorities, LGBTQ, radical feminists, and immigrants. And they are roped in by the Republican's lip service to their religious beliefs....and their pro-life stance on abortion and birth control.

The puzzle is that authors like this one can't figure that out.

Uncle Cracker rises again. Couldn't possibly be that white conservatives don't have the sense to sort out their own economic self-interest.
'And remember kiddos, all "social justice issues" are useless. Says the man who benefits mightily from structural racism, but will furiously deny same.

But then the Democratic Party leadership is clueless too.

Classic bothsiderism. What you say when you got nuthin'. Let's all join in another chorus of, "But her emails..."

Back to the ad hom again. It was a welcome respite.
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It is pretty striking that about a fifth of Republicans had views closer to the median Democrat than their own party,” he says. “A lot of them actually want a sizeable social welfare state. It’s a little bit of a puzzle why they don’t vote for the Democratic Party, other than long-standing cultural ties maybe and other ballot issues. What we have here is just one of the two parties stands out to have a bunch of its supporters in opposition to some of the party’s economic platforms but still gives them their vote."

It isn't much of a puzzle. It is precisely because they identify the Democratic Party as the party of various special groups of people with special rights...ethnic minorities, LGBTQ, radical feminists, and immigrants. And they are roped in by the Republican's lip service to their religious beliefs....and their pro-life stance on abortion and birth control.

The puzzle is that authors like this one can't figure that out.

Uncle Cracker rises again. Couldn't possibly be that white conservatives don't have the sense to sort out their own economic self-interest.
'And remember kiddos, all "social justice issues" are useless. Says the man who benefits mightily from structural racism, but will furiously deny same.

But then the Democratic Party leadership is clueless too.

Classic bothsiderism. What you say when you got nuthin'. Let's all join in another chorus of, "But her emails..."

Back to the ad hom again. It was a welcome respite.

Uh-huh.

Accuse me of ad hom, but we're all supposed to sing along with dat ol' familiar chorus of "special groups with special rights...ethnic minorities, LGBTQ, radical feminists, and immigrants, blah blah blah."
You stop pretending that all of the marginalized and victimized deserve a cop's knee on their neck, I'll stop with the "ad hom."

And count on me to call out bothsiderist bullshit wherever I find it.  False equivalency is false equivalency, no matter how you dress it up.
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