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Official EV Thread
« on: May 02, 2013, 12:38:27 AM »
The latest collapse of a "Green Tech" startup EV company starts off this thread, which I Dedicate to AB.  :icon_mrgreen:

Good Newz on this one, Hank "the Skank' Paulson took a beating on it.  Though I am sure Da Fed will make good his losses.

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Hank Paulson Burned As Another Electric Car Maker Goes Up In Flames


Submitted by Tyler Durden on 05/01/2013 20:24 -0400

It would appear that (apart from Tesla, for now) that any thing related to electric cars is going up in flames. From Fisker's fubar (and blowing all that hard-earned government funding) and Chevy's Volt dysphoria to A-123 Systems (the Lithium-Ion battery-maker) and now Coda - which Yahoo Finance notes was among an emerging crop of California startups seeking to build emission-free electric cars three years ago. After selling just 100 of its $37,250 five-passenger vehicles, Coda filed Chapter 11 today taking a few well-known investors with it. On the bright side, the government was not involved (from what we can tell), but on the even brighter side, none other than former US Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson was among those burned by the company going up in flames (as was Harbinger's Phil Falcone).

Despite the $300 million the company managed to raise, that quickly went and unable to raise an additional $150 million in new funding (we suspect blaming 'market conditions' for its mere $22million raise), Coda had no choice (and Fortress was more than happy to scoop it up and provide the DIP - the cars will make for fancy paperweights in a collateral liquidation). 'Green' is the new 'red' as it seems when it comes to electric cars, regardless of funding source - private or public - it goes up in flames.

Via Reuters,

    Green car startup Coda Holdings Inc filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Wednesday after selling just 100 of its all-electric sedans, another example of battery-powered vehicles' failure to break into the mass market.

     

    ... exit the auto sector and refocus on energy storage, a far less capital-intensive business.

     

    ...

     

    A group of lenders led by Fortress Investment Group LLC (FIG.N) plan to extend debtor-in-possession financing and will seek to acquire the company for $25 million through the bankruptcy process, Coda said in a statement.

     

    Coda launched its five-passenger electric car in California a year ago, delivering a range of 125 miles on a single charge. The $37,250 vehicle was criticized for its no-frills styling, and its short history also included a recall due to faulty airbags.

     

    ...

     

    Investors poured money into the sector, and Coda raised $300 million in equity from backers including Aeris Capital, Limited Brands Chief Executive Les Wexner, and former U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. The company, however, in 2012 withdrew its request for $334 million in federal loans like the ones Fisker and Tesla received.

     

    As the allure of EVs faded, Coda struggled to secure new private funding. Last year, Coda sought to raise $150 million but clinched just $22 million, according to a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.


    Coda has about 40 active employees and expects to recall 50 furloughed workers.
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Re: Official EV Thread
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 11:35:46 AM »
RE,
As the dude in laugh in said while riding a tricycle wearing a nazi helmet,

Vely Eenteresting, but not funny. ;D
Tyler Durden has cred on EVs? ??? You have got to be shitting me! This guy thinks fossil fuels are cheap! :emthdown: Whoops, hope I didn't hit a nerve there. :icon_mrgreen:

Anyway, it sounds like a fun thread so I'll play the straight man for you. ;)

One stock symbol word for you and Tyler: KNDI (Kandi Technolgies Corp)

It's time to move past the 20th century PIGGERY. In the 21st century, corporations will have to accept that profit cannot be obtained at the biosphere's expense, PERIOD. Elon Musk and a few other future trillionaires know this. The ones who cling to the past will be left behind (or put in prison!).

For those who say EVs are a "drop in the bucket", "not practical" or "insignificant" in the future of land transportation, do you call THIS "insignificant"?

April 3-Kandi s 273 million rmb ($43.2 million USD) purchase and start of production in China's first recently completed "state of the art, built from the ground up" pure EV manufacturing facility with 1st stage annual capacity of 100,000 EVs, expandable to 300,000 per year.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1367561-kandi-vs-tesla-wall-street-match-up-revisited-exceptional-ev-business-execution-from-both?source=email_investing_ideas&ifp=0

Tyler is trying to make hay out of the shakeout that always occurs in new and disruptive technologies - see US auto makers going bankrupt in droves in the early 20th century. Same thing is happening now and he is too pro ICE biased to understand it. He's wrong. :icon_mrgreen:

SNIPPET for those who think EVs aren't "practical due to battery charge limitations" in regard to Tesla and Kandi CEOs:
Unique to these two disruptive innovators in this new Industry, both realized the future need for EVs; but without a solution to re-energize the battery in minutes, not hours, the market would be extremely limited. So simultaneous to developing their vehicles, they both developed unique solutions to solve this problem.
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Watch a less than two minute change of batteries in a Kandi EV quick change battery station.:


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/4SiHZZG1Tyw#&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/4SiHZZG1Tyw#&fs=1</a>

Here's the on call mobile crew manual battery quick change:


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/zAhqkxrnlt4#&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/zAhqkxrnlt4#&fs=1</a>


Don't throw away your oil burning gas hog! Aftermarket EV conversions might give the chassis a new life! :emthup: :icon_mrgreen:

Check out the 1991 Toyota MR2 EV:


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/BmDyK4Dyu-E#ws#&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/BmDyK4Dyu-E#ws#&fs=1</a>



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Video: Rear-Wheel Drive Electric Ford Fiesta Put To The Test
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 06:22:08 PM »
Video: Rear-Wheel Drive Electric Ford Fiesta Put To The Test

April 29, 2013 by Christopher DeMorro

While Ford hasn’t invested as much money or effort into pure electric cars as some other automakers, its latest project could shape up to be its most promising. We already told you about the hub-in-wheel rear-wheel drive Ford Fiesta eWheelDrive, and now we have video of it in action, as well as talk about what the future of this new electric drive system may hold.

Built in conjunction with Schaffler, the Ford Fiesta eWheelDrive has two wheel-mounted motors at the rear end, freeing up space under the hood and in the trunk area. The battery pack can be mounted under the passenger space, and most of the drive components are in the wheels itself, saving a lot of space and eliminating components like drivetrains and transmissions.

According to Ford, this makes the Fiesta eWheelDrive much more nimble as well, which is ideal for tight urban areas. One future feature of this system, should it ever go into production, could allow the wheels to rotate as much as 90 degrees, making parallel parking a cinch even in the smallest of spaces.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/yfs5z0Lg1Xc#&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/yfs5z0Lg1Xc#&fs=1</a>
With Ford’s focus on turbocharged EcoBoost engines and hybrid drivetrains though, pure electric vehicles may be hard to justify in the European economic climate. Maybe Ford is more serious about electric vehicles than we first thought though, and a rear-wheel drive electric Fiesta would be a welcome addition to the Ford portfolio if you ask me.

Source: Ford

Chris DeMorro is a writer and gearhead who loves all things automotive, from hybrids to HEMIs. You can follow his slow descent into madness and non-nonsensical ramblings on Twitter @harshcougar.

http://gas2.org/2013/04/29/video-rear-wheel-drive-electric-ford-fiesta-put-to-the-test/

BYD Going 100% Electric & Hybrid To Save Company

Posted on April 30, 2013 by Tim

BYD, one of China’s larger automakers, recently announced a new strategic plan to save its ailing company. This follows BYD stock sinking about 75% in the past year.

The company has decided to stop producing gas engines and produce only electric and hybrid vehicles within two years.

The decision has come with pressure from the BYD stakeholders, like US investor Warren Buffett, who are unhappy with the current downturn in company profits.

BYD’s net profit has collapsed in recent years, from $61.1 million four years ago to only $13.1 million last year.

Read more at http://evobsession.com/chinese-automaker-byd-could-go-all-electric-and-hybrid/#oYJoKvJlI1CUU43x.99

Federal Government To Double Hybrid Fleet

April 30, 2013 by Christopher DeMorro 

While not as big of an issue as it once was, the rising Federal deficit remains of grave concern to many politicians. With fuel expenditures a huge expense for governments at all levels, the Federal government is looking to double the size of its hybrid fleet, a move it says will (eventually) save a million gallons of fuel per year.

The General Services Administration will begin phasing out certain fleet vehicles and replacing them with hybrids, eventually purchasing around 10,000 new hybrid vehicles for government use. This will just about double the current government fleet of 10,672, though gas-powered vehicles aren’t the only ones that will be replaced. Some less-popular alternative fuel vehicles will also be replaced by hybrids.

A million gallons of fuel saved per-year is a nice number to bandy about, but even 20,000 hybrids will still make up just about 10% of the GSA’s entire fleet. Depending on what hybrids the GSA buys, actual financial savings could take years to accrue, and it seems to indicate that the government is pulling away from certain alternative fuel projects.

But even if the hybridized fleet doesn’t save much, if any money directly, the lower pollution levels is something that absolutely benefits us all. Perhaps one day, all government vehicles will utilize hybrid cars in just about every regard, and then the financial savings will really pile up.

So a mixed bag of news, at best, a compromise if you will. Don’t see that too often in Washington these days, do you?

Source: The Detroit News

http://gas2.org/2013/04/30/federal-government-to-double-hybrid-fleet/

Nissan Leaf Has Its Second-Best Sales Month, The Volt Declines Again

May 3, 2013 by Nicholas Brown

   


The Nissan Leaf enjoyed its second-best sales month in April 2013, moving nearly 2,000 units in the past 30 days. This is a big jump from just a few months ago, when Leaf sales weren’t even cracking 1,000 units a month. Meanwhile Chevy Volt sales are losing a little bit of steam. Are consumers warming up to EVs, or did the big price drop have a big effect on sales?

When Nissan started production of the Leaf in Tennessee, it may have helped them to sell more Leafs, but they still have a way to go before they can claim success. Nissan sold 1,937 Leaf EVs in April. and according to Nissan, Leaf sales increased 160% so far since 2013, compared to the first quarter (and two months) of 2012.

Meanwhile, sales of the Chevy Volt slightly decreased. In February 1,626 Chevy Volts were sold; in March: 1,478; and April just 1,306 Volts rolled off of dealership lots. There is a downward trend here, but so far Volt sales in 2013 so far are 3.2% more than 2012.

With Tesla Model S production in full swing though, there may soon be another competitor for best-selling electric car in America. Leaf and Volt, you’ve been warned.

Source: Autoblog Green

My Website: Kompulsa

http://gas2.org/2013/05/03/nissan-leaf-has-its-second-best-sales-month-the-volt-declines-again/

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Re: Official EV Thread
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2013, 11:13:13 AM »
Tesla Model S Taxis :icon_sunny:

May 5, 2013 Important Media Cross-Post

This is the first I’ve heard of Tesla taxis rolling out, but it’s no surprise, of course. From Gas2:


The Tesla Model S is popping up in taxi and chauffeur fleets from coast to coast, partly to gauge customer reaction, and partly to see if the electric sedan has the chops to handle being a livery vehicle.

In Los Angeles, Strack Transportation will be the first to see how customers react to being picked up in the Tesla Model S….

Meanwhile, in Boston, the app-based cab service Uber and UberX is offering an “Easter egg” of sorts in honor of the Boston Marathon through the help of Tesla Motors. For a limited time, users of the UberX app in the Boston area will have a chance to be picked up in a Tesla Model S. The user can not request the vehicle – it just shows up if you are requesting car service in the Tesla driver’s area at that time. To add to the fun, if you are picked up in the Tesla, you also get a free pair New Balance’s new glow-in-the-dark 890v3 sneakers.
According to Uber, the Tesla will be becoming available through Uber Black, the more posh car service wing of the program, but the Tesla will be available on UBERx in order to promote the product.

 http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/05/tesla-model-s-taxis/#Cmrs7s6CPxGm9hkx.99

Taxis use a LOT of gasoline. If the taxi fleets in all the big cities swittch to EVs, demand destruction for gasoline will accelerate. GOOD! :icon_mrgreen:
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2013, 04:43:01 PM »
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8900 miles on the Volt, 18 gallons of gas. Beats my Metropolitan scooter all to hell in the efficiency department.
Nothing to complain about after a year.


Excellent! :emthup: :emthup: :emthup:  :icon_sunny:

They are planning to sell a LOT more Volts by lowering the selling price soon.

GM Aims To Cut Chevy Volt Cost By $10,000

May 7, 2013 Nicholas Brown


Chevy Volt. Image Credit: GM

The cost of the Chevy Volt might be cut by $7,000 to $10,000, according to recent reports. I have been following the electrification of vehicles closely since about 2008. I kept wishing that researchers would develop improved battery technology for electric vehicles, and I’ve seen it happen many times. The development of lithium-ion battery technology really is on a roll. There is now a major discovery multiple times per year. What has kept bothering me …
Read More http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/07/gm-aims-to-cut-chevy-volt-cost-by-10000/

SNIPPET

The plans include a weight reduction of the 3,700-pound car and a switch to a dedicated platform, rather than the use of the gasoline-powered Cruze platform.

Gasoline-powered car platforms are optimized for gasoline-powered cars, and are not ideal for electric cars.

Electric cars are best when designed from the ground up so that their entire bodies are optimized to achieve the lowest possible cost and the best characteristics of electric cars overall.

For example, gasoline-powered cars use firewalls, gas tanks, and of course gasoline engines, which the car has to be designed around.


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LG Chem To Start EV Car Battery Plant In US
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2013, 04:55:14 PM »
LG Chem To Start EV Car Battery Plant In US

May 7, 2013 Tim Tyler

South Korea’s LG Chem, the world’s third-largest maker of lithium-ion batteries, is planning to start production at its Michigan battery cell manufacturing plant later this year.



LG Chem had actually planned to start production earlier this year, but it cited lower-than-projected demand as the reason for the delay. Now, production should start at the manufacturing facility in July or August.

LG Chem is aiming to produce enough battery cells annually at this Michigan plant to equip 60,000 electric vehicles.

The lithium-ion battery cell manufacturing plant in Michigan was built with the help of US government funding, $151 million of it. The total construction cost was around $304 million for the manufacturing plant.

LG Chem supplies electric car batteries for GM’s Volt, Ford’s Focus Electric, and the Renault SA from its South Korean facilities.

Kim Jong-hyun, head of LG Chem’s battery division, is optimistic about the EV market. There were high hopes for the market early on that have been tough (i.e. impossible) to reach, but the technology is moving forward nicely and sales are picking up. As electric car prices go down, the market will expand, Kim notes. He sees plug-in electric vehicles as having more promise, since they are more efficient and allow automakers to hit emissions targets and better market their cars.

Naturally, Reuters (which seems to have a clear anti-EV agenda for some reason), put a negative spin on EVs throughout its coverage of this story. I guess that’s a guarantee over there right now.

Read more at http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/07/lg-chem-to-start-ev-car-battery-plant-in-us/#XTCGPXICDv2MPPmw.99

The bad news for the anti-EV crowd just keeps piling up.  8) It's hard to overcome the mental manipulation and programing of decades of mendacious Pro fossil fuel propaganda. When you've been lied to your whole life, the truth seems like a lie...
The anti-EV crowd will soon reach the conclusion that CFS = pro EV. Cradle to grave vehicle Energy math will not continue to be danced around. The ICE car is the walking dead.
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Re: Official EV Thread
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2013, 05:26:23 PM »
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The right solution is probably a two car setup per household. Something EV for all the around town running most of the time, and an efficient diesel or the Prius Plugin for road trips.
Yep. That is probably what is best until fast chargers are a reality and are as ubiquitous as these:

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Re: Official EV Thread
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2013, 07:33:29 PM »
My experience with my EV (Polaris Ranger EV) has been very positive but not trouble free. I think I've got the kinks worked out now. Below is a post I just made to a Ranger EV thread regarding the machine.

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On my 2010 model the state of charge meter went unreliable about a year ago and I never trusted it after that. Most often it would not reset itself after a charge just staying at the level of discharge it was at before starting the charge. The only way to get it to show a full charge was to unplug the main battery connector and ac.

The problem with doing this is that it would reset to the top even when partially discharged so you never really knew how much of a charge you had.

I mentioned above I was going to rewire the machine because it now needed a second new charger. I totally distrust the stock charger and it is responsible for all of the ills of the machine. It is really poorly designed with the main 48v + terminal that is supposed to carry up to 20amps of current looking like it could barely carry 5amps. That terminal burning out is the main cause of the machines woes.

I now have my machine running with the new setup and am just waiting for a few more parts to polish the modification up and will then do a detailed post of the modification including wiring diagram, parts list, supplier list and lots of photos. The total cost doing the modification myself is about 40% ($350.00) of the cost of a new stock charger.

My machine is now running the way it should have from the start. As a bonus the charger I use now has increased my range by about 30 to 40%!

The new charger is a Protech 4815C, about 12amp compared to about 10 amp for the stock one. It has a built in cooling fan and is programmable. The charger is about $400 new but I bought a refurbished one from someone reliable selling them on ebay for $158.

I could tell right away the charger would make a difference. My batteries were at full charge state according to the stock charger when I first used the new charger. It ran at full charge for almost 3 hours before going into conditioning mode. Obviously it was putting more energy into the batteries than the old charger.

I have been using the new charger for about 2 weeks now and discharge the unit daily to about 60%. The range just keeps getting better as time goes on.

I replaced the stock charge/hr meter with one I bought from a chinese supplier on ebay and it has worked flawlessly so far. Much more sensitive. The stock meter would often sit in one place for a long time then suddenly drop 2 or 3 bars. This one always drops one bar at a time.

One problem I discovered during owning this machine was unreliable range. Sometimes I just seemed to have less range than I expected.

What I discovered is that the way the battery banks are wired there is no way to tell if both banks of 4 batteries were actually in the circuit. I have 2 watering kits, one for each bank of 4 batteries and I eventually realized that at times one bank took substantially more water than the other.

I cleaned the terminals regularly but eventually found one cable with a bad crimp and corrosion under it. That's all it takes to take one bank out of service.

When my charge meter became untrustworthy I bought a 52V digital readout meter and put it in the dash so I had an idea of the charge state of my batteries. It works well. When I did the upgrade to the new charger I realized I could use a second meter to tell if both banks of batteries are being used.

I am waiting for the second meter now and will put one meter on each bank. I will then immediately be able to see if both banks are charging/discharging somewhat equally.

My old charger still works somewhat so I decided to leave it in place as a backup. I can easily use either charger now.

The new charger did not have a 12v output which is needed for the control circuits so I bought a separate 48v/12v DC DC converter ($38 ) with an output of 240w. I wired it with a switch so the control circuit can draw 12v either from the stock charger or the new converter. I put a separate cigarette lighter socket on the new more powerful converter that is able to run a small heater/defroster (I have a cab) and a good air pump which the stock unit could not handle.

I'll have all the changes done in the next couple of weeks and will put up a detailed post then.

My machine regularly gets worked hard and is my only transportation. It is now running like it should.

Peter



The EV uses 8 deep cycle sealed lead acid batteries that weigh about 800 lbs. I now have two full sets of 8 batteries and a high tech charger that supposedly will make the batteries last indefinitely. Normal chargers do not desulfate batteries properly and after many charge cycles too much sulphur builds up on the plates which normal chargers will no longer remove.

I will switch the batteries once a year and use the special desulphation charger  to treat the currently unused batteries one at a time which takes quite a while.

I looked at buying lithium ION batteries which would cut the weight in half and triple the range but at $17,000 for a set of batteries as compared to $1,400 it was too expensive. I have enough range for my use.

Time will tell but I'm hoping the two sets of batteries will last me the life of the EV.

I'm back to having to feed a gas guzzler with the boat I just bought but it gives me the option to get out to civilization on my own without expensive water taxis, ferries or float planes. I'm contemplating on how to electrify it. I'm looking forward to being more mobile and plan to explore the wild coast in this area this summer. I'll take the electric kayak along.

Below is a copy of an  email I sent out recently that explains why you don't see me on the internet much these days.

Best wishes to all of you.

Peter

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Hi Dr Eowyn...
 
It has been a long time. I've been meaning to write to let you know why I dropped the other investigation when I did in an incomplete state. If something conclusive could have materialized I would have carried on, but I came to  think that wasn't the case..The reason applies to this situation as well.
 
After over 10 years of mostly intense and voluminous information interchange on the internet within the 'truther' community I have come to feel the Internet is now, and probably always was, more of a benefit to those intent on controlling our society, than a tool to be used by the truth movement to help change society.
 
The first article I wrote many years ago that got wide circulation, questioned the role of the internet. I suspected then, and am convinced now that the truth movement was purposely nurtured into existence as a controlled opposition similarly to virtually all the environmental and peace groups.
 
This is not to say that the average person participating in these endeavors is there with ulterior motives.  The vast majority are sincere and helpful at a certain level. The problem is that the good the rank and file do at their level is far outweighed by what the controllers of institutions like the internet do with the rank and file's naive participation.
 
The 'truther' movement has become a controlled opposition that is being used to justify clamping down on everyone's rights.  Although very honorable to the many sincere individuals involved in trying to get the truth out to the masses, the process itself is being corrupted into a weapon of mass destruction. Truther's will soon be made into the fall guy boogey men in order to physically force the majority to follow the party line without question.
 
The Internet is 'owned' by the usual culprits that also 'own' the more traditional mass media. Yes there are many 'truths' to be found on the Internet but unfortunately they are only the one's that suit the purposes of the Internet's owners.
 
Control methodology is much more subtle on the internet than in the older mass media. Simply telling lies like the mass media does only works for so long and has reached the end of it's usefulness. Whether or not the internet had come along the mass media's usefulness was pretty much over because people were now more mobile and could see for themselves that much of the mass media's truth was not real.
 
Propaganda now needs to be much more subtle. The Internet allows for this slight of hand to happen. The alternative now to untrustworthy news organizations is gathering information yourself while naturally assuming that you yourself are trustworthy. If you got the 'facts' yourself, they must be true and therefore trustworthy.
 
Although we think that we ourselves, as the purveyor's of information on then internet, are more trustworthy than the mass media we still must 'correctly' interpret the events that shape society, that are mostly orchestrated by the elite. Just because we gather information ourselves rather than letting a news organization get if for us does not guarantee it is any more accurate.
 
On the Internet propaganda occurs at a much deeper level.
 
It's kind of like what a magician does. Focus the audience's attention on flashy innocuous events (9/11, Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon, etc) while doing the real dirty work in plain sight, but unseen because the audience's attention is focused elsewhere.
 
I have come to believe the 'truther' movement is such a misdirection of attention and no longer feel comfortable being part of the act.
 
The magic act is very close to it's climax and I feel the time for searching for the truth is well over. Currently I feel our efforts should be focused on building real live local communities instead of virtual ones that can be destroyed with the flick of a switch leaving a lot of well meaning people on their own, without support in their local real world community, in extremely difficult times.
 
I now feel that ongoing participation in the 'truther' movement is more a destructive distraction than a worthwhile endeavor.
 
I still believe in the principles brought forward by the truth movement, and the Internet was useful in allowing those principles to be defined.
 
However I think the internet is an impediment to bringing into being a lifestyle built on those principles. It is time to move forward and put what we have learned into action in our own lives rather than just interpreting the actions of others while they continue to create the world we must all live in.
 
If we want our own world we must build it ourselves.
 
I enjoyed meeting you and admire what you are doing. I still get daily emailed news items from your site.
 
I had a quick look at the information regarding the court hearing date. I think it would be very difficult if not impossible to definitively date such a document.
 
Regards,
 
Peter

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Re: Official EV Thread
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2013, 10:25:09 PM »
Peter, What a pleasure to hear from you again. Your postings are treasures to your many fans.

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Re: Official EV Thread
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2013, 11:33:15 PM »
Peter, What a pleasure to hear from you again. Your postings are treasures to your many fans.

That plus he fixed the Autoplay problem with the Vids on the Homepage.  That caused me a lot of grief, not to mention Money since it drove my Bandwidth usage WAY over the limit this month.

Far as the EV goes, that $17K for Li-I batteries for the Ranger is NASTY.  For how long will those be coming out of China anyhow?  The Lead-Acids should be scavengeable and recyclable for some time to come though.

Anyhow, I am hopeful his participation will increase again once we get the SUN  :icon_sunny: project off the ground.  That is more in keeping with his current philosophy.  I think he got really upset with the whole Sandy Hook episode.

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Re: Official EV Thread
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2013, 11:41:42 AM »
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It is really poorly designed with the main 48v + terminal that is supposed to carry up to 20amps of current looking like it could barely carry 5amps. That terminal burning out is the main cause of the machines woes.!

Great to hear from you, Peter!
And yeah, more than 5 amps going through wiring designed for a max of 5 amps means melt down in a hurry. :(

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I now have my machine running with the new setup and am just waiting for a few more parts to polish the modification up and will then do a detailed post of the modification including wiring diagram, parts list, supplier list and lots of photos. The total cost doing the modification myself is about 40% ($350.00) of the cost of a new stock charger.

My machine is now running the way it should have from the start. As a bonus the charger I use now has increased my range by about 30 to 40%!

Outstanding! I hope you can, with more cost effective batteries on the horizon, electrify your water transportation so you never need to buy gasoline.

I hear you about the truthers and the overall function of thei nternet as a controlled opposition type of escape blow off steam valve while fascism continues to tighten up and freedom to lose ground. I have watched as the internet has become increasingly cluttered with advertising and the "recommended viewing for you" sophisticated propaganda technique, among several subtle tools available to the controllers.

However, I have noticed something else that I think counters the negative with something positive.

The dumbass flag wavers used to trounce those who questioned the status quo from war to predatory capitalism. It seems to me the flag waving Wall Street clones get their asses handed to them on a regular basis now. If the controllers think that is just great becasue the "mob" has an escape valve, they do not really understand the dynamics of popular "common wisdom".

When memes like flag waving, pro-greed business practices and Waste Based Society Piggery become discredited in the public mind, change begins right in the households of the Wall Streeters from their own children giving them hell. Just look at the divestment from fossil fuels campaign in over 400 US colleges. Then there is the fact that Americans are no longer STUCK with the internet propaganda that is USA centered. Visiting web sites outside the US erodes anti-social ethnocentric attitudes that have always been used by the empire for divide and conquer tactics. 

I think the controllers have outsmarted themselves this time. I think they are going to lose this one. :icon_sunny:

Either that or we are all dead. :icon_mrgreen:
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TSLA (Tesla Motors) stock up over 20%!
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2013, 08:52:41 AM »
I hope Tyler Durden bought!  :icon_mrgreen:Tesla Motors Inc

(NASDAQ:TSLA)

68.01

21.91% :icon_sunny:


Not only that, but Elon Musks other corporation, SCTY, is doing quite well today, thank you.

SCTY 25.64 +1.48 (6.13%)  :sunny:
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Re: Official EV Thread
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2013, 02:58:46 PM »
My biggest bug-a-boo is what happens when the battery (eventually) fails?  Basically, that's most of the cost of car, eh?

8900 miles is 360 gallons of gas w/ my Nissan PU (25 mpg)

That's $1260 per year at $3.50 gallon.

Any estimate on the cost for the electricity to charge the vehicle over a year?


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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2013, 04:05:05 PM »
Widgeon,
Charging a car is much cheaper than fueling it with gasoline because the enrgy that gasoline provides an ICE to move a car is only 20% efficient whereas the electric motor is 78% efficient or greater in converting electrical energy to mechanical motion and there is little or no waste heat added to the atmosphere.

I don't have the numbers available right now but it is ridiculously cheap. That is why Elon Musk has stated that Tesla car owners will NEVER have to pay for the electricity at the charging station network he is setting up. The charging stations themselves are solar powered so there is no drain on the grid. :emthup: :icon_sunny:

Electrical Motor Efficiency
Scroll down to the NEMA Design B Electrical Motors chart:
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/electrical-motor-efficiency-d_655.html
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Nissan Leaf Gets $15,000 Price Reduction In Australia
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2013, 04:07:22 PM »
Nissan Leaf Gets $15,000 Price Reduction In Australia

May 9, 2013 Nicholas Brown

The Nissan Leaf used to cost an eye-popping $51,500 in Australia, which may be why only 116 people bought it at that price.


Image Credit: Nissan Leaf via Wikimedia Commons

Fortunately, the price has dropped by an impressive $15,000, down to $39,990 after on-road costs, but 36,500 without on-road costs factored in.

“We want to sell more,” said Nissan Australia spokesman Peter Fadeyev. “We want to stimulate the market.”

Customers that already paid that extremely high price will not be reimbursed the price difference.

Read more at http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/09/nissan-leaf-gets-15000-price-reduction-in-australia/#94MqixHoJdSAQuYA.99
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