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RE is scaring me
« on: August 02, 2020, 06:34:46 AM »
RE says collapse is happening now. Unfortunately, I agree. I fear my preps are too little to make a difference. We are f***ed. At least I got 2/3 of a life. Feel bad for the young ones.

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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2020, 06:56:37 AM »
At least I got 2/3 of a life.

How long is a full life?

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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2020, 08:21:48 AM »
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How long is a full life?

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 :icon_scratch:

A life that leaves behind something that makes the world temporarily better off but paradoxically compounds with the products of other 'full lives' that progressively makes the world worse off ?

 :-\

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2020, 08:37:00 AM »
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How long is a full life?

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 :icon_scratch:

A life that leaves behind something that makes the world temporarily better off but paradoxically compounds with the products of other 'full lives' that progressively makes the world worse off ?

 :-\

I meant in chronological years lived.

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Re: RE is scaring me
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2020, 09:04:23 AM »
RE says collapse is happening now. Unfortunately, I agree. I fear my preps are too little to make a difference. We are f***ed. At least I got 2/3 of a life. Feel bad for the young ones.

It is not an all or nothing thing.  You still have some life left.  Don't waste it lamenting the fact you will never see Paris.  As humans we over-classify and turn everything to one binary value or another.  Good-Bad, civilization-chaos, collapse-BAU, feast-famine.

We are very uncomfortable suspending judgement and we should cultivate that capacity.  But in this case.

A true freak out moment is only starting.
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2020, 09:11:29 AM »
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How long is a full life?

RE

 :icon_scratch:

A life that leaves behind something that makes the world temporarily better off but paradoxically compounds with the products of other 'full lives' that progressively makes the world worse off ?

 :-\

 :emthup:

To a fly a full load is a very good thing.

Under ideal conditions of temperature and pressure the organism will grow without limit.

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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2020, 09:12:53 AM »
RE says collapse is happening now. Unfortunately, I agree. I fear my preps are too little to make a difference. We are f***ed. At least I got 2/3 of a life. Feel bad for the young ones.

It is not an all or nothing thing.  You still have some life left.  Don't waste it lamenting the fact you will never see Paris.  As humans we over-classify and turn everything to one binary value or another.  Good-Bad, civilization-chaos, collapse-BAU, feast-famine.

We are very uncomfortable suspending judgement and we should cultivate that capacity.  But in this case.

A true freak out moment is only starting.

Absolutely.  Civilizatiom is unlikely to suffer a Sudden Death tomorrow.  We seem more likely to continue limping along for a while longer.  Game Changer would be the collapse of the Monetary System.  That can be put off for a while with the issuance of more Irredeemable Debt.

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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2020, 09:30:01 AM »
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  As humans we over-classify and turn everything to one binary value or another.  Good-Bad, civilization-chaos, collapse-BAU, feast-famine.
We are very uncomfortable suspending judgement and we should cultivate that capacity.

I agree, but that "true freak out moment" we're currently savoring is such a vicious oddball ...
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2020, 09:33:38 AM »
RE says collapse is happening now. Unfortunately, I agree. I fear my preps are too little to make a difference. We are f***ed. At least I got 2/3 of a life. Feel bad for the young ones.

It is not an all or nothing thing.  You still have some life left.  Don't waste it lamenting the fact you will never see Paris.  As humans we over-classify and turn everything to one binary value or another.  Good-Bad, civilization-chaos, collapse-BAU, feast-famine.

We are very uncomfortable suspending judgement and we should cultivate that capacity.  But in this case.

A true freak out moment is only starting.

Absolutely.  Civilizatiom is unlikely to suffer a Sudden Death tomorrow.  We seem more likely to continue limping along for a while longer.  Game Changer would be the collapse of the Monetary System.  That can be put off for a while with the issuance of more Irredeemable Debt.

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For a while but not long.  A vortex of badness will break down the supply chains and then we shall embrace darkness.  This has happened before.  Three thousand years ago.  They had fast collapse.

I contend that JMGs catabolic collapse is a masturbatory fantasy by a collapse profiteer.  Is that to harsh?  Maybe, maybe not.

Catabolic collapse leads to cardiac arrest as all inter-dependencies fail.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/B965f8AcNbw" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/B965f8AcNbw</a>

Mediterranean Apocalypse mirrors our situation better than the later example of Rome.  Rome is halfway along the timeline from us to this earlier apocalypse in which 'Armageddon' was a city.  This one came complete with climate refugees as you will learn if you watch it.  People born at the zenith of achievement saw total destruction within their life.

The end times in the Bible is an account of something that had already happened.  In some places cities would not be rebuilt for a thousand years.

Many got 2/3rds or less of life in that time too.

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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2020, 09:43:13 AM »
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  As humans we over-classify and turn everything to one binary value or another.  Good-Bad, civilization-chaos, collapse-BAU, feast-famine.
We are very uncomfortable suspending judgement and we should cultivate that capacity.

I agree, but that "true freak out moment" we're currently savoring is such a vicious oddball ...

Like rain in sunshine.  20,000 Americans to die of COVID within the next two weeks but Trump gives himself high marks.  Reality still appears optional for some; but this can't last.
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2020, 10:31:26 AM »
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Absolutely.  Civilizatiom is unlikely to suffer a Sudden Death tomorrow.  We seem more likely to continue limping along for a while longer.  Game Changer would be the collapse of the Monetary System.  That can be put off for a while with the issuance of more Irredeemable Debt.

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A little while I'd say , ... but how will the 'triage' go ?
What will emerge as the new landscape ?
How many uprooting will the System proceed with ?
What will the System do with the uprooted if the "market" finds no use for them ?
... and if it finds a use for them ... what the fuck could it be ?
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2020, 12:36:04 PM »
RE says collapse is happening now. Unfortunately, I agree. I fear my preps are too little to make a difference. We are f***ed. At least I got 2/3 of a life. Feel bad for the young ones.

It is not an all or nothing thing.  You still have some life left.  Don't waste it lamenting the fact you will never see Paris.  As humans we over-classify and turn everything to one binary value or another.  Good-Bad, civilization-chaos, collapse-BAU, feast-famine.

We are very uncomfortable suspending judgement and we should cultivate that capacity.  But in this case.

A true freak out moment is only starting.

Absolutely.  Civilizatiom is unlikely to suffer a Sudden Death tomorrow.  We seem more likely to continue limping along for a while longer.  Game Changer would be the collapse of the Monetary System.  That can be put off for a while with the issuance of more Irredeemable Debt.

RE

For a while but not long.  A vortex of badness will break down the supply chains and then we shall embrace darkness.  This has happened before.  Three thousand years ago.  They had fast collapse.

I contend that JMGs catabolic collapse is a masturbatory fantasy by a collapse profiteer.  Is that to harsh?  Maybe, maybe not.

Catabolic collapse leads to cardiac arrest as all inter-dependencies fail.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/B965f8AcNbw" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/B965f8AcNbw</a>

Mediterranean Apocalypse mirrors our situation better than the later example of Rome.  Rome is halfway along the timeline from us to this earlier apocalypse in which 'Armageddon' was a city.  This one came complete with climate refugees as you will learn if you watch it.  People born at the zenith of achievement saw total destruction within their life.

The end times in the Bible is an account of something that had already happened.  In some places cities would not be rebuilt for a thousand years.

Many got 2/3rds or less of life in that time too.
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2020, 01:02:11 PM »
RE, I am 62 and my Dad is 89 and his mother died at 105. Figue I have 28 years.

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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2020, 04:35:32 PM »
RE says collapse is happening now. Unfortunately, I agree. I fear my preps are too little to make a difference. We are f***ed. At least I got 2/3 of a life. Feel bad for the young ones.

It is not an all or nothing thing.  You still have some life left.  Don't waste it lamenting the fact you will never see Paris.  As humans we over-classify and turn everything to one binary value or another.  Good-Bad, civilization-chaos, collapse-BAU, feast-famine.

We are very uncomfortable suspending judgement and we should cultivate that capacity.  But in this case.

A true freak out moment is only starting.

Absolutely.  Civilizatiom is unlikely to suffer a Sudden Death tomorrow.  We seem more likely to continue limping along for a while longer.  Game Changer would be the collapse of the Monetary System.  That can be put off for a while with the issuance of more Irredeemable Debt.

RE

For a while but not long.  A vortex of badness will break down the supply chains and then we shall embrace darkness.  This has happened before.  Three thousand years ago.  They had fast collapse.

I contend that JMGs catabolic collapse is a masturbatory fantasy by a collapse profiteer.  Is that to harsh?  Maybe, maybe not.

Catabolic collapse leads to cardiac arrest as all inter-dependencies fail.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/B965f8AcNbw" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/B965f8AcNbw</a>

Mediterranean Apocalypse mirrors our situation better than the later example of Rome.  Rome is halfway along the timeline from us to this earlier apocalypse in which 'Armageddon' was a city.  This one came complete with climate refugees as you will learn if you watch it.  People born at the zenith of achievement saw total destruction within their life.

The end times in the Bible is an account of something that had already happened.  In some places cities would not be rebuilt for a thousand years.

Many got 2/3rds or less of life in that time too.

Yes that's why the bible says "The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labor and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away". Well I'm on 99 and with Viagra mjght make it all the way to 100.

I'll make a coffee and watch the vid, bronze Age collapse of Egypt and all the other surrounding civilizations some time around 1160-1190 BC was due to climate change/ prolonged drought. That resulted in disruption of trade, critically supply of tin from Afghanistan, according to a historian I watched on utube. That was followed by a dark ages of about 200-300 yrs before building and writing resumed, including Carthage and Rome.

I forget all the catastrophes like locusts that are in the Old testament account of Moses leading the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt. I think this story happened at that time of the Bronze age collapse.  Moses told Phaeroh the disasters were sent by his god and 'let my people go!' they were then nomads wandering the desert if I have it right, before encountering other tribes of herdsmen and much killing. You could say from this history that a simpler way of life than the city state was a way to survive, living in tents, hunting or herding, not having a fixed location for some time, not depending on agribizness.

Empire collapse like Rome is about more than climate change. Colonization, military over extension to maintain compliance, demoralization, currency debasement, freed slaves and barbarians becoming citizens or at least allowed to participate inside the citadel, all has a lot in common with what is happening now.
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2020, 05:04:43 PM »
Well I'm on 99 and with Viagra mjght make it all the way to 100.

You're 99?  Really?

Both my parents died at age 82, and I have always figured 80 was my MAX possible lifespan.  Given how hard I have abused my meat package, 70 is probably more realistic.  I am almost 63 now, so 63/80 is 78.75% of my expected lifespan, and 63/70 is 90%.  That's if I die Tomorrow, but I figure to hobble along for another year here with luck.  Either way, I am OK with it, all Passing Grades in Skuule above 65, lol.

Going to be a lot tougher for the Millenials to hit these kind of numbers though as we move forward in collapse.

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