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Ships in Horrible Storms
« on: October 06, 2020, 09:51:49 AM »
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Re: Ships in Horrible Storms
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2020, 12:06:28 PM »
Looks like New Orleans is drawing the short straw again. Delta is kicking ass in the Yucatan, but it will probably become less severe by the time it reaches the US. The water is already cooling off closer to shore. Still, more flooding is likely in Louisiana and Mississippi....and they've already been smacked pretty good.

The military brass at the Pentagon is starting to have positive COVID test now for Trump's super-spreader events.

What's the over/under on Trump and Christie taking the dirt nap? Guess we'll see if being rich and having the best medical care can save old fat white men from COVID.

Trump says he feel fine (huff, puff, cough, cough.)

Right. Don't let COVID dominate your life.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2020, 03:01:25 PM by Eddie »
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Re: Ships in Horrible Storms
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2020, 01:01:43 PM »
2 Questions:
After November are you guys going to have:
1. A president who is good for the country?
2. Is this person going to be a better or worse President than current?

Seems like you guys have pretty bad choices; Frumpy Mk2 or Joe Bitten. (Nearly as poor as previous choice of Frumpy or Psycho killer)
Seems like politics everywhere is about getting lessor of 2 evils.
Our choices in Oz are not much better, and our political parties have a habit of cutting off their own heads and installing another ventriloquists dummy.

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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2020, 02:49:32 PM »
The truth is that in most ways it really won't matter that much which one we get......except that Trump is dangerous......because he is willing to suspend the rules and throw out the Constitution. We don't need a Duterte or a Bolsanaro running the country. Trump is in that mold.

Biden has plenty of bad Clinton baggage. The Democrats are buying into the more radical anti-racist message...which is very extreme....I don't care what anybody else says about it. It's a scam.....and we don't need unlimited immigration either...which is another false narrative of the Democrats...benefits their donor class.

The Democrats are fakes. The Democrat politicians are just as eager to sell out to the corporations as the Republicans, when it comes down to it.

In Oz you still have a lot of country for not very many people. Canada too. That makes for a better country, generally speaking. Too many people leads to too many laws and too many rules and too much surveillance. We once had that.
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2020, 06:40:55 PM »
The truth is that in most ways it really won't matter that much which one we get......except that Trump is dangerous......because he is willing to suspend the rules and throw out the Constitution.

And the Democrats aren't? If Biden is elected, Covid will continue to be an all-access pass for the government to throw out all constitutional rules relating to private property rights, privacy and most likely free expression/association as well. They seem to want to keep the country in a state of semi-lock down indefinitely. Republicans at least have some politicians (the more libertarian types) who will push back on that.

Oh, and, Biden now appears to be as corrupt as they come.

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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2020, 04:02:34 PM »
The truth is that in most ways it really won't matter that much which one we get......except that Trump is dangerous......because he is willing to suspend the rules and throw out the Constitution.

And the Democrats aren't? If Biden is elected, Covid will continue to be an all-access pass for the government to throw out all constitutional rules relating to private property rights, privacy and most likely free expression/association as well. They seem to want to keep the country in a state of semi-lock down indefinitely. Republicans at least have some politicians (the more libertarian types) who will push back on that.

Oh, and, Biden now appears to be as corrupt as they come.

Those are Joe's sons sins. Free will removes the responsibility from the father.
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2020, 04:40:03 PM »
The truth is that in most ways it really won't matter that much which one we get......except that Trump is dangerous......because he is willing to suspend the rules and throw out the Constitution.

And the Democrats aren't? If Biden is elected, Covid will continue to be an all-access pass for the government to throw out all constitutional rules relating to private property rights, privacy and most likely free expression/association as well. They seem to want to keep the country in a state of semi-lock down indefinitely. Republicans at least have some politicians (the more libertarian types) who will push back on that.

Oh, and, Biden now appears to be as corrupt as they come.

Those are Joe's sons sins. Free will removes the responsibility from the father.

It appears from emails that Joe was involved as well. And it turns out the head of the "election integrity committee"  ::) at Facebook worked for Joe when he was VP and she was actually advising him on his corrupt dealings in Ukraine. No wonder they are so quick to block the evidence from being released on their platform.

And, apparently, there is much more damning evidence to come.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/does-explain-why-facebook-was-so-quick-suppress-hunter-biden-revelations

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/does-explain-why-facebook-was-so-quick-suppress-hunter-biden-revelations

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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2020, 05:03:34 PM »
Trump is the most corrupt President since Warren Harding. Trump accusing Biden of corruption is a case of a really big pot calling the kettle black.

Yes, I'm sure Biden is corrupt...He's been a sitting Senator since what? 1972?

But nothing Biden does is going to shift tha foundations of the country. Giving Trump more rope is asking for a coup attempt.

Trump has to go Ashvin. Think of the rule of law. Some things should be at least relatively sacrosanct.

Biden will be a terrible President.....yes I am sure of that.....but compared to Trump....he's a choirboy.
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2020, 05:38:50 PM »
Trump is the most corrupt President since Warren Harding. Trump accusing Biden of corruption is a case of a really big pot calling the kettle black.

Yes, I'm sure Biden is corrupt...He's been a sitting Senator since what? 1972?

But nothing Biden does is going to shift tha foundations of the country. Giving Trump more rope is asking for a coup attempt.

Trump has to go Ashvin. Think of the rule of law. Some things should be at least relatively sacrosanct.

Biden will be a terrible President.....yes I am sure of that.....but compared to Trump....he's a choirboy.

Eddie, it's not just Trump calling Biden corrupt... it's major news outlets with access to the emails on the recovered hard drive. They show Biden's corruption since 2015, which is not a long time ago. Are we just going to write this all off as trivial or planted by the Trump administration, because Biden (until now) had the image of a harmless old man while Trump had that of Hitler himself?

I am thinking about the rule of law. While you are speculating about potential constitutional violations when Trump finally becomes the fascist dictator everyone on the left is warning he will become, I am taking note of the actual constitutional violations taking place in states, cities and counties across the country, most extremely in the places that lean far to the left.

The draconian restrictions on businesses, restrictions on people's movement and ability to gather together (unless it's a woke protest, of course), indefinite moratoriums on foreclosures/evictions... these politicians and administrators are stripping away freedoms and doing irreversible harm to the economy at the same time. I come across people who are deeply affected by this stuff very often now. While the federal government has certainly played a role in putting some of these restrictions in place, the states and localities have played a much bigger role in keeping them in place. And they will be the ones taxing these same businesses and working class individuals to death going forward in a cruel attempt to recoup the revenues they lost from the policies they imposed.

And Trump's people are the only ones at the national level saying that the restrictions need to be rolled back, while the many on the left believe they should be expanded and intensified. Not to mention, they also support policies like "defund the police", which will absolutely destroy inner cities. This is by far the most immediate and potent threat to the rule of law in this country.
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2020, 07:20:45 PM »
According to the newz reports, Democrats are turning out in record numbers in the early voting and Republican Senators are running scared.  So it seems likely we'll have a Biden Presidency, assuming there is an orderly transfer of power.  That is where the most interesting questions on the political level lie at the moment.  If Trump attempts to invalidate the election, what will happen?

Neither of these dimwits in any way acknowledges or addresses the root causes of our problems, so neither will be effective in even slowing down collapse, much less turning things around to a brighter future.  To me, it is not very interesting who in the end does get the top spot, much more interesting questions revolve around how society will adjust to the new normal.  Unfortunately, we don't have Diners around anymore who are interested in discussing this.

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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2020, 07:49:41 PM »
According to the newz reports, Democrats are turning out in record numbers in the early voting and Republican Senators are running scared.  So it seems likely we'll have a Biden Presidency, assuming there is an orderly transfer of power.  That is where the most interesting questions on the political level lie at the moment.  If Trump attempts to invalidate the election, what will happen?

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That's not what Biden's people are saying or the early voting in battleground states. The early turnout for Democrats has been much worse than expected, and you know Trump voters would show up to the voting booths even if a nuclear bomb went off the day before.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/18/biden-campaign-memo-warns-trump-neck-and-neck-in-several-key-states/
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The Biden campaign released a memo warning that President Trump can “still win the race” and is “neck and neck” in several battleground states.

“Even the best polling can be wrong and that variables like turnout mean that in a number of critical swing states we are fundamentally tied,” Jen O’Malley Dillon wrote in a three-page message released on Saturday.

Even Biden's poll numbers have dropped off since the NY post article. It's likely going to be a very close one just like 2016.

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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2020, 08:03:24 PM »
It's likely going to be a very close one just like 2016.

If it turns out close, that makes the election invalidation and voter fraud issues even more prominent.  You also have questions about what occurs if the Republicans lose the senate while retaining the executive branch?

I see no "good" outcome possible here, you'll just get different flavors of bad outcomes depending how it shakes out.

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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2020, 07:23:16 AM »
It's likely going to be a very close one just like 2016.

If it turns out close, that makes the election invalidation and voter fraud issues even more prominent.  You also have questions about what occurs if the Republicans lose the senate while retaining the executive branch?

I see no "good" outcome possible here, you'll just get different flavors of bad outcomes depending how it shakes out.

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The practically mandated mail-in voting system will certainly make it worse - who knows how many complaints alleging fraud or other malfeasance are already prepared to be filed in various courthouses across the country. It will be a shit show for sure.

The way I see it, we have been in a state of choosing the "lesser of two evils" in American politics for a long time now. Right now Trump is the lesser for a whole host of reasons.

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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2020, 08:26:43 AM »

The way I see it, we have been in a state of choosing the "lesser of two evils" in American politics for a long time now. Right now Trump is the lesser for a whole host of reasons.

I have no yardstick for measuring Evil, so I can't determine which one is worse.  Bad Newz, either way we are in for a shit show.  Jokers to the Left, Clowns to the right...

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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2020, 06:06:03 PM »



 Right now Trump is the lesser for a whole host of reasons.

Humour me sir, pray tell why?
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