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Offline Ashvin

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Re: Socialism and the American Right Wing
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2020, 08:21:59 PM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/you-are-no-longer-my-mother-trump-derangement-symptom-tearing-families-apart
"One lifelong Democrat named Mayra Gomez, an immigrant to the country, told her 21-year-old son five months ago that she was voting for Donald Trump. In response, she says, he cut her out of his life.

Their last argument was so acrimonious, Gomez isn't even certain whether their differences can be overcome.

"He specifically told me, ĎYou are no longer my mother, because you are voting for Trumpí" Gomez, 41, a personal care worker in Milwaukee, told Reuters. Their last conversation was so bitter that she is not sure they can reconcile, even if Trump loses his re-election bid.

"The damage is done. In peopleís minds, Trump is a monster. Itís sad. There are people not talking to me anymore, and Iím not sure that will change," said Gomez, who is a fan of Trumpís crackdown on illegal immigrants and handling of the economy."


Let's be honest, you will never see this on the right. We are not dealing with equally deluded people here. This is the prominent feature of cults that Phil was talking about.

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Re: Socialism and the American Right Wing
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2020, 09:37:31 PM »
I just pointed out YOUR contradictory posts: There are no state border closures vs NY mayor should be jailed for fast track quarantine vs trump will leave it up to states vs he was forced to close border to Europe.

Nothing contradictory. I was reacting to an article posted by RE which claimed Cuomo was requiring quarantines for anyone who came in. I said he they should consider criminally prosecuting him for the way he has handled this entire Covid crisis up there, with criminal negligence.

You did not say that and you don't get to add it later. The article mentioned, and you were asked about the new testing out quick quarantine, that's all.

That aside, saying there are no state border closures when there certainly are in NY , and saying trump will leave lockdown to the states are mutually exclusive statements. You, not I then are oft contradictory.



Including busing sick people into nursing homes, letting the virus run rampant in the city and shutting down after thousands have died, declaring victory against the virus and talking shit about other "red" state governors which saw a surge after NY, allowing protests and riots (because those are somehow immune to Covid) and now making sure the dead retail economy doesn't come back with these quarantines. It's actually hard to fuck up as many things as he did in a row, which is why I think it's more about his 2024 run for president than anything else.


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You only play word games and shift definitions, the opposite of precise. "Ending wars" has a precise meaning, getting out of a country, and it is not shifting some troops from the forever war to the ww3 front

Obama started a war in Syria and Trump ended it.

Putin put the ouster of Assad out of reach. Trump remains in Syria to burn down wheat fields and piracy of oil fields, which you bobble head and cheer. Note the shift from plural to singular "war" now. No, not even 1.


 You are trying your best to be a loyal "never Trumper" and turn anything positive into a negative.

I've both given you my politics  5-10x  and given you valid reasons for praising trump as the Manchurian candidate. Any pro human can not help being Pro trump as he accelerates collapse process, thereby giving freedom a chance, even by anarchy. I'm not the strawman you want, so  take it up with the actual never trumpets.

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Nothing on the sublime level of "I don't know Russia, I mean I know Russia, but I don't know Russia".
Real diplomats are talking about how trump thinks he can either charm or threaten world leaders into getting what he wants. How he does not read briefings and talks instead of listens or does not attend them

I wonder where you got that "inside" source of information. Probably the same algorithm which admittedly decides everything else that comes up on your computer screen.

Yes he really said that, he always speaks like that. Google "I don't know Russia" or "I mean I know Russia". Then pick up a copy of the big hardcover book "lights out in the white house":by former presidents bush and Clinton , quoting all the advisors. Not the warmongers like Bolton and Bannon who said the same things, or the 35 Goldman Sachs execs he appointed in the name of promising to drain the swamp.



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Getting a 400m$  inheritance and declaring bankruptcy 3x is the perfect president to bankrupt the country. The economy broke in September 2019 due to his doomed trade war. The controlled demolition with more and more in recievership is the result. Romney's experience in Bain Capital would also be perfect for that job, but he doesn't have the pied piper quality to get half the people believing he is Jesus and the other half believing he is Satan, so none of them mind what the real leaders are doing.

So you are willing to blame the broken economy on the trade war before blaming it on Covid lock downs? That's delusional thinking and you know it.

You said "before". I know many people now use 'then' and 'than', interchangeably but 'before' is to do with 'then' not 'than'. Sept 2019 economy broke due to trade war,  THEN came lockdown.. this means I am not comparing tradewar and lockdown (than) , I am saying Sept p 2019 is prior to lockdown, (then).

The economic fundamentals broke by early September 2019, 6 months before lockdown even began. You did have an outbreak of lung injury and deaths attributed to vaping in Maryland in late September 2019 though. covid just results in an orderly line for the lifeboats.

Springsteen says, there's just winners and losers and don't get caught on the wrong side. 


Anyone with business sense would not think a multi-billion dollar organization filing for Chapter 11 reorganization a few times is a sign of business failure.


Of course not, and neither is cannibalizing the economy leaving nonessential workers like Trump project contractors or trump University students. Who better to handle that?


 Just like they wouldn't think pre-paying taxes during the year or having 450 million in debt is anything worth mentioning either... yet that's the only thing the Dems could harp on for about the last month. They are not business minded people at all and apparently neither are you.

Most of the talking points you repeat here are excusable for trumptrards with IQ in the 80s. To believe someone hiding returns going on 5yrs because they're not finished paid in advance the correct number of millions to get a 750$ bill every year, requires a child like credulity in the 70s.
 
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Not their constituents or children, who are these extra wards that republicans are responsible for?

Employees.

How many on your staff?


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Republicans do nothing to prevent the far left, their progress continues apace regardless who sits in office. Gay Marriage was brought in here under a right wing govt. The far left on their own are about as worthless as a team sport with only one team or a comedy duo without a straight man. You are the far lefts dance partner with them leading.

Biden is selected to lose as he is not the perfect pied piper/ scapegoat Manchurian candidate like Trump.

That last part could be the one thing we agree on. At least I'm not sure the dems care if he wins or loses, because a loss justifies the far left takeover of the party even more. Which is terrifying, given how much damage they have already through the cultural and local political institutions without having the federal government as well.

They have the federal govt for 8yrs, then the Republicans  have it for 8 yrs, 50/50 time share. 0/0 accountability.

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That was about equality of opportunity.

And this is exactly why the far left is a threat and no one should trust your insanely biased perspective of it. Saying that government should make sure both people reach the top of the mountain is EQUALITY OF OUTCOME, plain and simple.
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The black was given the rope to climb the mountain himself, not placed on top without work.
She spoke of equity as the goal instead of outcome and specifically rejected outcome. You should be worries about her policy on equity meaning whatever you interpret it as. It's pointless talking about her wanting equality of outcome when she puts out a cartoon explaining equity good outcome bad. You should be arguing this with them there on Twitter. I don't even have a vote, but if you are correct, her supporters should switch sides
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« Last Edit: November 02, 2020, 09:52:22 PM by Phil Rumpole »
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Re: Socialism and the American Right Wing
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2020, 09:55:47 PM »

The black was given the rope to climb the mountain himself, not placed on top without work.
She spoke of equity as the goal instead of outcome and specifically rejected outcome. You should be worries about her policy on equity meaning whatever you interpret it as. It's pointless talking about her wanting equality of outcome when she puts out a cartoon explaining equity good outcome bad. You should be arguing this with them there on Twitter. I don't even have a vote, but if you are correct, her supporters should switch sides
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The video says that giving money (or whatever) to the "black character" is not enough, because he started from a farther position. Even though it will advance him, he will still lag behind the white character. Therefore the government's job is to make sure both characters reach the top of the mountain. That is communist equality of outcome doctrine and it's plain as day. I can't believe you still refuse to admit it.

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Re: Socialism and the American Right Wing
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2020, 10:10:17 PM »

The black was given the rope to climb the mountain himself, not placed on top without work.
She spoke of equity as the goal instead of outcome and specifically rejected outcome. You should be worries about her policy on equity meaning whatever you interpret it as. It's pointless talking about her wanting equality of outcome when she puts out a cartoon explaining equity good outcome bad. You should be arguing this with them there on Twitter. I don't even have a vote, but if you are correct, her supporters should switch sides
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The video says that giving money (or whatever) to the "black character" is not enough, because he started from a farther position. Even though it will advance him, he will still lag behind the white character. Therefore the government's job is to make sure both characters reach the top of the mountain. That is communist equality of outcome doctrine and it's plain as day. I can't believe you still refuse to admit it.
Watch it with the sound on. You don't need to insert your own words.
She says  "giving everybody an opportunity to compete on an equal footing". That is equality of opportunity.


How about not burying REs burial under a mountain of political propaganda?
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Re: Socialism and the American Right Wing
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2020, 04:30:35 AM »

The black was given the rope to climb the mountain himself, not placed on top without work.
She spoke of equity as the goal instead of outcome and specifically rejected outcome. You should be worries about her policy on equity meaning whatever you interpret it as. It's pointless talking about her wanting equality of outcome when she puts out a cartoon explaining equity good outcome bad. You should be arguing this with them there on Twitter. I don't even have a vote, but if you are correct, her supporters should switch sides
.

The video says that giving money (or whatever) to the "black character" is not enough, because he started from a farther position. Even though it will advance him, he will still lag behind the white character. Therefore the government's job is to make sure both characters reach the top of the mountain. That is communist equality of outcome doctrine and it's plain as day. I can't believe you still refuse to admit it.
Watch it with the sound on. You don't need to insert your own words.
She says  "giving everybody an opportunity to compete on an equal footing". That is equality of opportunity.


How about not burying REs burial under a mountain of political propaganda?

You are doing mental gymnastics to excuse the communist propaganda because you are a socialist, as you have adnitted elsewhere. Ideologues will do anything to avoid confronting the painful realities of their ideology.

At the end of the video she says, "equitable treatment means we all end up in the same place". Its equality of outcome propaganda.

I'm done with this now. The more sources I cited to back up my arguments the more you ignored them and substituted your lwn facts, until you are literally claiming a 30 sec video does not say what it clearly says. Socialist ideology mixed with Trump derangement syndrome.

Meanwhile... : Biden's campaign manager just said "Under no scenario will Donald Trump be declared a victor on election night". Either they are grossly unable to understsnd what their own comments imply or they are totalitarian pieces of shit.  I vote for the latter as hopefully most Americans in the swing states Lady Gaga condescends to do as well.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/lady-gaga-slammed-social-media-after-mocking-swing-state-voters-rednecks

 

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