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Re: China's Clampdown On COVID-19 Origins Exposed
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2021, 06:59:28 PM »
I'm not saying correct story, I'm saying it's at least as plausible. You're unaware of the DETAILS of that, among many other things.

Do you believe antifa or anyone else can come into contact with Mitch McConnell or Nancy Pelosi at their front door or garage door?

It sounds unlikely. I would guess they both can afford private security, or get better for free from my tax money. So I do agree with you that far.

McConnell’s wife I would expect to have excellent security. She comes from a “real rich” family.

I like how all the smallest things like property vandalism are likely to be attributed to conspiracies, while all the things that matter are assumed to be on the up and up. One thing you learn from dealing with shady clients for years is that the intelligent frauds always come up with the biggest possible fake stories and that's also why some of them get away with it. "Go big or go home" works, especially when you control most of the means of distributing information.

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Re: When Science Still Mattered (2019)
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2021, 07:32:05 PM »
Ah yes, the good old days when epidemiological science still mattered and was inter-disciplinary... (Sept. 2019 - Johns Hopkins)

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/pubs_archive/pubs-pdfs/2019/190918-GMPBreport-respiratorypathogen.pdf

"This report examines the current state of preparedness for pandemics caused by “high-impact respiratory pathogens”—that is, pathogens with the potential for widespread transmission and high observed mortality. Were a high-impact respiratory pathogen to emerge, either naturally or as the result of accidental or deliberate release, it would likely have significant public health, economic, social, and political consequences
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In the context of a high-impact respiratory pathogen, quarantine may be the least likely NPI to be effective in controlling the spread due to high transmissibility. To implement effective quarantine measures, it would need to be possible to accurately evaluate an individual’s exposure, which would be difficult to do for a respiratory pathogen because of the ease of widespread transmission from infected individuals. Quarantine measures will be least effective for pathogens that are highly transmissible, have short incubation periods, and spread through true airborne mechanisms, as opposed to droplets. As with travel restrictions, quarantine appears to delay the introduction of highly transmissible diseases but not prevent their spread entirely. Quarantine measures also appear more effective with pathogens that had a longer incubation period, such as measles, compared to those with shorter incubation periods, such as influenza.123 Experiences with quarantine during the West Africa Ebola epidemic highlight the added difficulty of implementing such measures on a large scale, which would only be more difficult in the case of a highly transmissible respiratory disease 
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Monitoring and enforcing some of these NPI measures would be quite difficult if not impossible, due to the inability to fully monitor large communities and address noncompliance issues. In pandemic conditions when leaders are under great pressure to act, NPIs could be employed in inappropriate circumstances or have serious secondary or tertiary consequences that could themselves hinder outbreak response efforts. For example, travel restrictions could potentially hinder response efforts, as they could slow or prevent the transportation of personnel or materials. They would place additional economic burdens on the affected country, as the restrictions could hamper or stop their ability to trade. The disruption of normal activities such as schools closing may result in children congregating elsewhere, thus making social distancing efforts irrelevant. Quarantine efforts could be highly disruptive to societies and economies if they are implemented for prolonged periods." 

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Biden-Linked WHO Adviser Says COVID-19 'Likely' Leaked From Wuhan Lab
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2021, 02:56:16 PM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/it-was-all-lie-biden-linked-who-adviser-says-covid-19-likely-leaked-wuhan-lab

"It Was All A Lie": Biden-Linked WHO Adviser Says COVID-19 'Likely' Leaked From Wuhan Lab

A World Health Organization (WHO) adviser who previously worked under President Clinton and then-Senator Joe Biden has broken his silence over the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Jamie Metzl - who served as Deputy Staff Director of the Foreign Relations Committee under Biden (2001-2003), after serving on the National Security Council (1997-1999) and the State Department (1999-2001) under Clinton, waited until three days after Biden's inauguration to tell the Toronto Sun that he thinks COVID-19 was most likely an accidental lab leak in Wuhan.

"There’s no irrefutable evidence," said the Kansas-born Metzl, a senior Atlantic Council fellow who was appointed to the WHO expert advisory committee on human genome editing in 2019. "There’s just more evidence and as more evidence arrives, the case for accidental lab leak, in my view, increases."

What about the original theory that this all started in a wet market in Wuhan?

That was a lie. And the Chinese government knew very early on that that was a lie. And so in the face of overwhelming evidence in May of last year, the Chinese government shifted its position.

o you get the idea of scary viruses being created in a lab may seem a little sci-fi?

It may feel like sci-fi to people but what’s happening is sci. There is a field of study called “gain of function” research, which is highly controversial in which some scientists amplify the virility of viruses. We know that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was involved in gain of function research on bat coronaviruses.

Is it because this specifically started in China that we still don’t know how COVID-19 started?

If there had been an outbreak in Congo or some country in Africa and that country, in the earliest days of the pandemic, prevented World Health Organization investigators from going onto the scene of the outbreak, for nearly a month, the world would have gone berserk.

Will a change of the U.S. administration help find an answer?

Biden will be tougher on China than President Trump because President Biden is very smart and strategic and he understands that American power and American strength doesn’t rest on bluster, it rests on principles, it rests on partnerships, and alliances and accountability. And the Trump administration unfortunately gave China a pass by over politicizing the question of the origin of the virus by alienating America’s partners and allies.

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All of this begs a simple question; if a senior Atlantic Council fellow who operated at high levels of government under Democratic presidents is suddenly 'coming out' with the Wuhan lab leak theory, three days after Biden's inauguration, is the official narrative about to change?

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Biden-Linked WHO Adviser Says COVID-19 'Likely' Leaked From Wuhan Lab
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2021, 03:25:50 PM »
Biden-Linked WHO Adviser Says COVID-19 'Likely' Leaked From Wuhan Lab

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/it-was-all-lie-biden-linked-who-adviser-says-covid-19-likely-leaked-wuhan-lab

A sit and spin story.  All speculation and no facts.

It reads like a radio host saying anything to avoid dead air.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2021, 03:27:41 PM by K-Dog »
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Re: Biden-Linked WHO Adviser Says COVID-19 'Likely' Leaked From Wuhan Lab
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2021, 04:23:01 PM »
Biden-Linked WHO Adviser Says COVID-19 'Likely' Leaked From Wuhan Lab

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/it-was-all-lie-biden-linked-who-adviser-says-covid-19-likely-leaked-wuhan-lab

A sit and spin story.  All speculation and no facts.

It reads like a radio host saying anything to avoid dead air.

Hundreds of words article with only a 19 word quote related to the title. Wuhan is not named as the lab in that quote by Metzl of WHO either. The exact same quote could be used elsewhere in the world followed by a different set of questions and answers which are not quotes:

 Could the related sars and mers viruses be Lab created? Is it possible the pig virus that killed hundreds of millions of hogs and forced buying American pork in the trade war was created in a lab?  Why would the  early research of the 5 strains of Covid 19 from Taiwan, Japan and Cambridge place strain A mainly in the expat community there? How could the world's greatest military come only 36th at the Wuhan games in November? If their athletes were sick from Malaria, why weren't they vaccinated? Did they stay right next to the wet market? How can the Spanish and italians insist they had cov 19 as early as September if it began in Wuhan in Nov? Why did trump cancel funding to WIV in September? Why was vaping so popular among over 70s who died of lung injury from it between June and August in Maryland? Why would safety concerns not have shut down the biolab of anthrax, ebola etc in Maryland any time in the hundred years of operation prior to August and only then? Did Bill Gates read Dean Koontz 'Fever Dreams' before holding event 201 in NY in Nov?

CNN and Fox are not the only examples of alternate spin, focussing on completely seperate sets of facts.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2021, 04:28:04 PM by Phil Rumpole »
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Re: Biden-Linked WHO Adviser Says COVID-19 'Likely' Leaked From Wuhan Lab
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2021, 06:52:44 PM »
Biden-Linked WHO Adviser Says COVID-19 'Likely' Leaked From Wuhan Lab

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/it-was-all-lie-biden-linked-who-adviser-says-covid-19-likely-leaked-wuhan-lab

A sit and spin story.  All speculation and no facts.

It reads like a radio host saying anything to avoid dead air.

Hundreds of words article with only a 19 word quote related to the title. Wuhan is not named as the lab in that quote by Metzl of WHO either. The exact same quote could be used elsewhere in the world followed by a different set of questions and answers which are not quotes:

 Could the related sars and mers viruses be Lab created? Is it possible the pig virus that killed hundreds of millions of hogs and forced buying American pork in the trade war was created in a lab?  Why would the  early research of the 5 strains of Covid 19 from Taiwan, Japan and Cambridge place strain A mainly in the expat community there? How could the world's greatest military come only 36th at the Wuhan games in November? If their athletes were sick from Malaria, why weren't they vaccinated? Did they stay right next to the wet market? How can the Spanish and italians insist they had cov 19 as early as September if it began in Wuhan in Nov? Why did trump cancel funding to WIV in September? Why was vaping so popular among over 70s who died of lung injury from it between June and August in Maryland? Why would safety concerns not have shut down the biolab of anthrax, ebola etc in Maryland any time in the hundred years of operation prior to August and only then? Did Bill Gates read Dean Koontz 'Fever Dreams' before holding event 201 in NY in Nov?

CNN and Fox are not the only examples of alternate spin, focussing on completely seperate sets of facts.

exactly

But the purpose of the Article might be to generate anti-Chinese sentiment.  If that is true the propagandists who sponsored the article might be pleased because it describes China as dishonest.  Zero Hedge is also a perfect place to do it.  If this is true an individual article does not matter.  But several articles repeating the same lie would be effective.

« Last Edit: January 23, 2021, 06:59:30 PM by K-Dog »
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Re: Biden-Linked WHO Adviser Says COVID-19 'Likely' Leaked From Wuhan Lab
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2021, 05:35:30 AM »
Biden-Linked WHO Adviser Says COVID-19 'Likely' Leaked From Wuhan Lab

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/it-was-all-lie-biden-linked-who-adviser-says-covid-19-likely-leaked-wuhan-lab

A sit and spin story.  All speculation and no facts.

It reads like a radio host saying anything to avoid dead air.

Hundreds of words article with only a 19 word quote related to the title. Wuhan is not named as the lab in that quote by Metzl of WHO either. The exact same quote could be used elsewhere in the world followed by a different set of questions and answers which are not quotes:

 Could the related sars and mers viruses be Lab created? Is it possible the pig virus that killed hundreds of millions of hogs and forced buying American pork in the trade war was created in a lab?  Why would the  early research of the 5 strains of Covid 19 from Taiwan, Japan and Cambridge place strain A mainly in the expat community there? How could the world's greatest military come only 36th at the Wuhan games in November? If their athletes were sick from Malaria, why weren't they vaccinated? Did they stay right next to the wet market? How can the Spanish and italians insist they had cov 19 as early as September if it began in Wuhan in Nov? Why did trump cancel funding to WIV in September? Why was vaping so popular among over 70s who died of lung injury from it between June and August in Maryland? Why would safety concerns not have shut down the biolab of anthrax, ebola etc in Maryland any time in the hundred years of operation prior to August and only then? Did Bill Gates read Dean Koontz 'Fever Dreams' before holding event 201 in NY in Nov?

CNN and Fox are not the only examples of alternate spin, focussing on completely seperate sets of facts.

exactly

But the purpose of the Article might be to generate anti-Chinese sentiment.  If that is true the propagandists who sponsored the article might be pleased because it describes China as dishonest.  Zero Hedge is also a perfect place to do it.  If this is true an individual article does not matter.  But several articles repeating the same lie would be effective.

Only the most naive think the CCP is not dishonest at this point, lab virus or not. The story is that he is WHO and pro Biden, who has been pro CCP politically and likely took money from them if the evidence is not to be dismissed blindly. This could get ugly for Biden and or the CCP quickly.

The story about the evidence of it leaking from a Chinese bioweapons lab has been written up dozens of time with many different pieces of evidence, you guys just ignored it out of weird misplaced affection for communists.

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Re: Biden-Linked WHO Adviser Says COVID-19 'Likely' Leaked From Wuhan Lab
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2021, 02:17:22 PM »
Biden-Linked WHO Adviser Says COVID-19 'Likely' Leaked From Wuhan Lab

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/it-was-all-lie-biden-linked-who-adviser-says-covid-19-likely-leaked-wuhan-lab

A sit and spin story.  All speculation and no facts.

It reads like a radio host saying anything to avoid dead air.

Hundreds of words article with only a 19 word quote related to the title. Wuhan is not named as the lab in that quote by Metzl of WHO either. The exact same quote could be used elsewhere in the world followed by a different set of questions and answers which are not quotes:

 Could the related sars and mers viruses be Lab created? Is it possible the pig virus that killed hundreds of millions of hogs and forced buying American pork in the trade war was created in a lab?  Why would the  early research of the 5 strains of Covid 19 from Taiwan, Japan and Cambridge place strain A mainly in the expat community there? How could the world's greatest military come only 36th at the Wuhan games in November? If their athletes were sick from Malaria, why weren't they vaccinated? Did they stay right next to the wet market? How can the Spanish and italians insist they had cov 19 as early as September if it began in Wuhan in Nov? Why did trump cancel funding to WIV in September? Why was vaping so popular among over 70s who died of lung injury from it between June and August in Maryland? Why would safety concerns not have shut down the biolab of anthrax, ebola etc in Maryland any time in the hundred years of operation prior to August and only then? Did Bill Gates read Dean Koontz 'Fever Dreams' before holding event 201 in NY in Nov?

CNN and Fox are not the only examples of alternate spin, focussing on completely seperate sets of facts.

exactly

But the purpose of the Article might be to generate anti-Chinese sentiment.  If that is true the propagandists who sponsored the article might be pleased because it describes China as dishonest.  Zero Hedge is also a perfect place to do it.  If this is true an individual article does not matter.  But several articles repeating the same lie would be effective.

Only the most naive think the CCP is not dishonest at this point, lab virus or not. The story is that he is WHO and pro Biden, who has been pro CCP politically and likely took money from them if the evidence is not to be dismissed blindly. This could get ugly for Biden and or the CCP quickly.

The story about the evidence of it leaking from a Chinese bioweapons lab has been written up dozens of time with many different pieces of evidence, you guys just ignored it out of weird misplaced affection for communists.

I don't like communists.
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