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Edward Snowden: American Patriot
« on: June 12, 2013, 08:45:15 PM »
Edward Snowden: American Patriot by my old Blogging Partner on TBP Jim Quinn now UP on the Diner Blog.

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Re: Edward Snowden: American Patriot
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2013, 09:17:57 PM »
I pray for Edward Snowden that he can survive their retaliation. I pray also for Bradley Manning who does not deserve what they have done to his young and brave years. I also applaud Assange, although I am not sure he acted as carefully and responsibly as he should have in regard to the young Bradley Manning. I don't think Assange is capable of caring much for anyone apart from himself. But at least maybe this thing is growing now and there will be more safety in greater numbers. Hopefully, a swelling tide. Maybe that is too hopeful, but I hope against hope nonetheless.K.

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Re: Edward Snowden: American Patriot
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2013, 09:24:54 PM »
I pray for Edward Snowden that he can survive their retaliation. I pray also for Bradley Manning who does not deserve what they have done to his young and brave years. I also applaud Assange, although I am not sure he acted as carefully and responsibly as he should have in regard to the young Bradley Manning. I don't think Assange is capable of caring much for anyone apart from himself. But at least maybe this thing is growing now and there will be more safety in greater numbers. Hopefully, a swelling tide. Maybe that is too hopeful, but I hope against hope nonetheless.K.

For some reason I can't explain Bradley Manning is the one I worry for.  There is something about the other two that is just different and sets off a different sort of vibe in me emotionally.

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Re: Edward Snowden: Who is Edward Snowden? Many questions remain.
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2013, 04:02:17 AM »
In interviews Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who revealed details of the government's collection of data, has also revealed details about himself. Some question his descriptions and the facts that are known paint an unclear picture of the leaker, currently hiding in Hong Kong.

 By Connie Cass, Associated Press, Kimberly Dozier, Associated Press / June 13, 2013 at 12:00 am EDT
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The man who told the world about the U.S. government's gigantic data grab also talks a lot about himself.

Mostly through his own words, a picture of Edward Snowden is emerging: fresh-faced computer whiz, high school dropout, wanna-be Army commando, disillusioned cog in a secret bureaucracy.

He has retained an aura of secrecy despite sitting for several days of interviews with The Guardian, some posted in online video. Snowden combines an earnest, deeply serious demeanor with a flair for the dramatic.

Snowden, 29, fled the U.S. for a Hong Kong hotel last month to go public with top secret documents gathered through his work in Hawaii as a contractor through Booz Allen Hamilton with the National Security Agency, where he worked as a systems analyst. He revealed startlingly voracious spy programs that sweep up millions of Americans' telephone records, emails and Internet data in the hunt for terrorists.

With the United States considering criminal charges against him, Snowden told the South China Morning Post he hoped to stay in the autonomous region of China because he has faith in "the courts and people of Hong Kong to decide my fate."

He's also talked of seeking asylum from Iceland or Russia. And he suggested the United States might hire Chinese gangs to get him. The adversaries he's made by disclosing secrets are so powerful that "if they want to get you, they'll get you in time," Snowden told The Guardian newspaper of London, which first reported his revelations.

Why would a man "living in Hawaii in paradise and making a ton of money" decide to leave everything behind, he asked. Because he realized that his computer savvy was helping erect an ever-expanding "architecture of oppression" and he believed the people must be told.

From a secret location in Hong Kong, he told the newspaper: "The reality is that I have acted at great personal risk to help the public of the world, regardless of whether that public is American, European, or Asian."

Snowden's leaked documents have had an enormous impact. Some have questioned, however, his descriptions of his power as a Booz Allen contractor and other details of his life.

For example, he said he was earning $200,000 a year. When Booz Allen fired him, they said his salary was $122,000.

"I, sitting at my desk, had the authority to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if I had a personal email," Snowden told The Guardian on videotape.

Former NSA and CIA director retired Gen. Mike Hayden called Snowden's claim "absurd legally and technologically." Former NSA Inspector General Joel Brenner also doubts it.

"I do not believe his statement," Brenner said. "And if he tried, I believe he would be discovered, stripped of his clearance, and summarily fired."

Brenner said, however, that Snowden appears to have had extraordinary access to things he should not have and that will be investigated.

Snowden also raised eyebrows by declaring that in his job he "had access to the full roster of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community and undercover assets all around the world, the locations of every station we have, what their missions are and so forth."

Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, who first reported the phone-tracking program and conducted theSnowden interviews, describes him as "very steadfast and resolute about the fact that he did the right thing."

Jonathan Mills, father of Snowden's long-time girlfriend, Lindsay Mills, described him as "very nice. Shy, and reserved."

"He's always had strong convictions of right and wrong, and it kind of makes sense," said Mills, who said he was "shocked" when he heard the news about Snowden.

In her blog, Lindsay Mills, a dancer and art college graduate, writes of a boyfriend she refers to only as "E." On Monday, she wrote that "at the moment all I can feel is alone." She said her hand and been forced, that she was typing on a "tear-streaked keyboard," and that "sometimes life doesn't afford proper goodbyes."

Snowden told the South China newspaper that he hasn't dared contact his girlfriend or family since allowing his identity as the leaker to be revealed Sunday in The Guardian.

His father, now retired from the U.S. Coast Guard and living in Pennsylvania, told ABC News in a brief interview that he was worried about his son and still processing what had happened. Lonnie Snowden said he last saw his son two months ago, over dinner.

Snowden's parents are divorced and his mother, Elizabeth Snowden, declined to talk to reporters as she left her Maryland home Monday morning.

Joyce Kinsey, a neighbor living next to the gray clapboard condominium in a quiet Ellicott City neighborhood, said Snowden's mother, whom she knows as "Wendy," bought the condo more than a dozen years ago.

When he was about 16, Snowden lived in the condo without his family for a couple of years, Kinsey said. His mother would drop by with groceries and a girlfriend visited every weekend. Kinsey recalled seeing Snowdenthrough the blinds, working on a computer "at all times of day and night." She had the impression he was sort of a "computer geek."

Snowden spent part of his childhood in Wilmington, North Carolina, before his family moved to the Maryland suburbs of Washington, D.C., an area rife with government workers. He attended public school in Anne Arundel County, from elementary school through three semesters at Arundel High School in Gambrills, according to a county school spokesman.

Snowden told the Guardian he didn't finish high school but studied computers at a Maryland community college.

Snowden served in the Army from June to September in 2004 at Fort Benning, Georgia, where he declared his intent to qualify for the Special Forces, said Col. David H. Patterson Jr., an Army spokesman. Snowden didn't complete basic training and was discharged. The Army wouldn't give other details.

Snowden said he tapped his computer skills to get an information technology job at the CIA and rose quickly through the ranks.

Snowden said he left the CIA in 2009 to begin working for a private contractor that assigned him to a functioning NSA facility, stationed on a military base in Japan.

Associated Press writers Lolita C. Baldor in Washington and Brian Witte in Annapolis, Maryland, contributed to this report.

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Edward Snowden 'banned from flying to UK'

The UK government has warned airlines not to allow an ex-CIA employee who leaked secret US surveillance details to fly to the UK, according to reports.

The Associated Press news agency reported seeing a document at a Thai airport telling carriers to stop Edward Snowden, 29, boarding any flights.

The travel alert - reported to feature a Home Office letterhead - said Mr Snowden "is highly likely to be refused entry to the UK".

The Home Office would not comment.

According to AP, the alert was issued on Monday by the Home Office's risk and liaison overseas network.

The document had a photograph of Snowden and gave his date of birth and passport number, the news agency reported.

It said: "If this individual attempts to travel to the UK: Carriers should deny boarding."

It went on to warn airlines they may "be liable to costs relating to the individual's detention and removal'' should they allow him to travel.

According to the Home Office's website, a charge for such a situation would be £2,000.

Bangkok Airways, Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines confirmed they had received the notice, which was not supposed to be seen by the public, AP reported.

Mr Snowden was last seen in Hong Kong, where he travelled ahead of the Guardian newspaper's story which revealed the extent of the National Security Agency's (NSA) programme to seize data from US internet and telephone firms. There is no suggestion that he has any intention of trying to travel to the UK.

Mr Snowden's actions have divided opinion in the US, with some calling him a hero and others calling for him to be tried for treason.

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Who Are the REAL Traitors?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2013, 02:16:21 AM »
Who Are the REAL Traitors? by Dr. Jekyll Jim Quinn now UP on the Diner Blog!

Looks like Jimbo and TBP are getting the Thumbscrews now from the Gestapo.  His Dr. Jekyll material will go up here long as the Diner is UP.

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Re: Edward Snowden: American Patriot
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2013, 02:23:30 PM »
Or when it gets uncomfortable, just change the subject and dodge the question.

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Re: Edward Snowden: American Patriot
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2013, 06:25:53 PM »
If the SHOE FITS, .....  :icon_scratch:
Limited hangout

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Alimited hangout, or partial hangout, is a public relations or propaganda technique that involves the release of previously hidden information in order to prevent a greater exposure of more important details. It takes the form of deception, misdirection, or coverup often associated with intelligence agencies involving a release or "mea culpa" type of confession of only part of a set of previously hidden sensitive information, that establishes credibility for the one releasing the information who by the very act of confession appears to be "coming clean" and acting with integrity; but in actuality, by withholding key facts, is protecting a deeper operation and those who could be exposed if the whole truth came out. In effect, if an array of offenses or misdeeds is suspected, this confession admits to a lesser offense while covering up the greater ones.

A limited hangout typically is a response to lower the pressure felt from inquisitive investigators pursuing clues that threaten to expose everything, and the disclosure is often combined with red herrings or propaganda elements that lead to false trails, distractions, or ideological disinformation; thus allowing covert or criminal elements to continue in their improper activities.

Victor Marchetti wrote: "A 'limited hangout' is spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting—sometimes even volunteering—some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further."[1]
 
Contents

1 Modified limited hangout
2 See also
3 References
4 External links   

Modified limited hangout
I
n a March 22, 1973 meeting between Richard Nixon, John Dean, John Ehrlichman, John Mitchell, and H.R. Haldeman, Ehrlichman incorporated the term into a new and related one, "modified limited hangout."[2]

The phrase was coined in the following exchange:[3]

 
“PRESIDENT: You think, you think we want to, want to go this route now? And the--let it    hang out, so to speak?

DEAN: Well, it's, it isn't really that--

HALDEMAN: It's a limited hang out.

DEAN: It's a limited hang out.

EHRLICHMAN: It's a modified limited hang out.

PRESIDENT: Well, it's only the questions of the thing hanging out publicly or privately.   ”   
Before this exchange, the discussion captures Nixon outlining to Dean the content of a report that Dean would create, laying out a misleading view of the role of the White House staff in events surrounding the Watergate burglary. In Ehrlichman's words: "And the report says, 'Nobody was involved,'". The document would then be shared with the Senate Watergate Committee investigating the affair. The report would serve the administration's goals by protecting the President, providing documentary support for his false statements should information come to light that contradicted his stated position. Further, the group discusses having information on the report leaked by those on the Committee sympathetic to the President, to put exculpatory information into the public sphere.[3]


The phrase has been cited as a summation of the strategy of mixing partial admissions with misinformation and resistance to further investigation, and is used in political commentary to accuse people or groups of following a Nixon-like strategy.[4]

Writing in the Washington Post, Mary McGrory described a statement by Pope John Paul II regarding sexual abuse by priests as a "modified, limited hangout".[5]

See also
Half-truth

References

^ Victor Marchetti (August 14, 1978) The Spotlight
^ Frost/Nixon: The Complete Interviews. David Frost, Richard Nixon. Paradine Television, 1977.
^ a b "Transcript of a recording of a meeting among the president, John Dean, John Erlichman, H.R. Haldeman, and John Mitchell on March 22, 1973 from 1:57 to 3:43 pm". History and Politics Out Loud. Retrieved 2006-08-27.
^ Carrol, Jon. "The Richard Nixon playbook". The San Francisco Chronicle. Retrieved 2006-08-27.
^ McGrory, Mary (2002-04-25). "From Rome, A 'Limited Hangout'". The Washington Post (Washington, D.C.). p. A29. Retrieved 2010-04-30. "The "modified, limited hangout" route made famous in Watergate seems to be operative in Rome. The pope, in a weak and halting voice, told the assembled red hats things they already knew, such as that pedophilia is not only a crime but also "an appalling sin in the eyes of God." He offered them ambiguous advice as to the remedy, counseling "zero tolerance" and at the same time an unshaken belief in redemption."

External links

Meditations on 9/11 Truth by Catherine Austin Fitts
Limited Hang Outs: Illusions of Incompetence Theories and Intelligence Failures to Cover Up Scandals by Mark Robinowitz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
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Re: Edward Snowden: American Patriot
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2013, 06:56:46 PM »
Well it certainly takes one, well versed in such subterfuge to recognize it and practice it. Hats off to all participants concerned. Let the good times roll then, and clean up afterwards. Is that it?

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Federal prosecutors charge Edward Snowden over NSA leaks


The US government has filed a sealed criminal complaint Friday against Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who leaked secrets about American telephone and internet surveillance programs.
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A bus drives past a banner supporting Edward Snowden, a former CIA employee who leaked top-secret documents about sweeping US surveillance programs, at Central, Hong Kong's business district, June 17.
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By Will Dunham, Reuters / June 21, 2013 at 7:01 pm EDT
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U.S. prosecutors have filed a sealed criminal complaint charging Edward Snowden, who disclosed American telephone and internet surveillance programs, with espionage, theft and conversion of government property, the Washington Post reported on Friday.

The United States also has asked Hong Kong to detain the former National Security Agency contractor on a provisional arrest warrant, the Post reported, citing unnamed U.S. officials. Snowden is reported to be in hiding in Hong Kong.

The criminal complaint was filed in the Eastern District of Virginia, where Snowden's former employer, Booz Allen Hamilton, is located, the Post reported.

Documents leaked by Snowden revealed that U.S. security services had monitored data about phone calls from Verizon and Internet data from large companies such as Google and Facebook as part of counterterrorism efforts.

U.S. federal prosecutors, by filing a criminal complaint, lay claim to a legal basis to make the request of the authorities in Hong Kong, the Post reported. The prosecutors now have 60 days to file an indictment and can then take steps to secure Snowden's extradition from Hong Kong for a criminal trial in the United States, the newspaper reported.

Snowden would be able to challenge the U.S. request for his extradition in court in Hong Kong, the Post reported.

The newspaper noted the U.S. extradition treaty with Hong Kong has an exception for political offenses, and that espionage has been viewed as a political offense.

An Icelandic businessman linked to the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks said on Thursday he had readied a private plane in China to fly Snowden to Iceland if Iceland's government would grant asylum
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Iceland refused on Friday to say whether it would grant asylum to Snowden.

http://rss.csmonitor.com/~r/feeds/csm/~3/oyrmRD2fRZ8/Federal-prosecutors-charge-Edward-Snowden-over-NSA-leaks  :icon_study:


(Editing by Jim Loney)

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Re: Edward Snowden: American Patriot
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2013, 06:27:47 PM »
 Most definitely they wish to capture him alive in any way possible, to torture him, to make an example of him and inject fear into all others who might be thinking of following in his footsteps. Amerika has certainly become the heir to the Securitate writ large of every despotic tyranny in precedence.  Karpatok

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US Asks Hong Kong To Detain Snowden On Charges Of Spying
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2013, 10:10:29 PM »
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Submitted by Tyler Durden on 06/21/2013 19:35 -0400

The United States has asked Hong Kong to detain Edward Snowden on a provisional arrest warrant after filing a sealed criminal complaint alleging espionage, theft, and conversion of government property. As The Washington Post reports, the complaint was filed in the Eastern District of Virginia - where Snowden's former employer Booz Allen is headquartered:

    *U.S. CHARGES SNOWDEN IN SEALED COMPLAINT IN NSA LEAK, POST SAYS
    *U.S. SAID TO CHARGE SNOWDEN IN NSA SURVEILLANCE DISCLOSURES

While there was really little doubt that the Justice Department would seek to prosecute Snowden over the leaks, the district chosen, according to WaPo, has a long track-record of prosecuting cases with national security implications; and while Honk Kong does have an extradition treaty with the US, there are exceptions for political offenses.

 

Via The Washington Post,

    ...

    Justice Department officials had already said that a criminal investigation of Snowden was underway and was being run out of the FBI’s Washington field office in conjunction with lawyers from the department’s National Security Division.


    By filing a criminal complaint, prosecutors have a legal basis to make the request of the authorities in Hong Kong. Prosecutors now have 60 days to file an indictment, probably also under seal, and can then move to have Snowden extradited from Hong Kong for trial in the United States.

     

    Snowden, however, can fight the extradition effort in the courts in Hong Kong. Any battle is likely to reach Hong Kong’s highest court and could last many months, lawyers in the United States and Hong Kong said.

     

    The United States has an extradition treaty with Hong Kong, and U.S. officials said cooperation with the Chinese territory, which enjoys some autonomy from Beijing, has been good in previous cases.

     

    The treaty, however, has an exception for political offenses, and espionage has traditionally been treated as a political offense.

     

    ...

     

    The chief executive of Hong Kong, Leung Chun-ying, said last week that the city’s government would follow existing law if and when the U.S. government requested help.

     

    “When the relevant mechanism is activated, the Hong Kong [Special Administrative Region] Government will handle the case of Mr. Snowden in accordance with the laws and established procedures of Hong Kong,” Leung said in a statement.
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Edward Snowden Exits Hong Kong Stage Left!
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2013, 03:20:44 AM »
YES!

Edward is on the Run, heading for Moscow then seems likely Iceland!  Or maybe Havana or Venezuela, or maybe just stay under the Protection of Vlad the Impaler over in Mother Russia!  So far, not getting TRAPPED like Julian in an Embassy.

GO EDWARD!  RUN, EDWARD, RUN!!!!
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Submitted by Tyler Durden on 06/23/2013 05:19 -0400

Edward Snowden is no longer in Hong Kong. About an hour ago, the Hong Kong Authority released a statement which says that the NSA whistleblower has left Hong Kong today "on his own accord through a lawful and normal channel" which was yet another slap in the face of the US, saying the US provisional arrest warrant "did not fully comply with the legal requirements under Hong Kong law."

In fact, not only did the HK authority defy the US arrest warrant, but it officially demands that the US clarify its own hacking of Hong Kong computer systems:



"Meanwhile, the HKSAR Government has normally written to the US Government requesting clarification on earlier reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by US government agencies. The HKSAR Government will continue to follow up on the matter so as to protect the legal rights of the people of Hong Kong."

So having been given the blessing of HK (and thus China) to defy the US, Snowden is now en route to Moscow (see flight tracker below), from where he is said he may continue further to Iceland, although according to a conflicting report from Russia's Interfax his ultimate destination is Havana, Cuba, while some note that he may be headed to Caracas Venezuela instead. Of course, he may just remain in Moscow: it's not as if Putin will comply with any American extradition order.
Somewhat surprisingly, Wikileaks appears directly involved:
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The whistleblower Edward Snowden, who leaked details about US snooping, has left Hong Kong for Russia, according to reports.
 
His departure was revealed on the website of the Hong Kong newspaper the South China Morning Post, which said that Russia was not thought to be his intended final destination.
 
It is thought that the eventual destination could end up being Iceland or Ecuador.
 
He is understood to have left on the Russian airline Aeroflot flight SU213.
 
The paper said it left Hong Kong around 11am local time (4am UK time) and was due to arrive in Moscow around 5.15pm local time (1pm UK time). It is believed to be currently in the air.
 
The White House had asked Hong Kong to extradite him, after he was charged in the US with espionage.
 
An Icelandic newspaper reported four days ago that Snowden had asked Iceland for political asylum.
 
The website of the South China Morning Post said: "US whistleblower Edward Snowden has left Hong Kong on an Aeroflot flight to Moscow, credible sources have confirmed to the South China Morning Post.
 
"Moscow will not be his final destination."
 
The Hong Kong government later confirmed Snowden had left and said that he did so legally and voluntarily.
 
"Meanwhile, the HKSAR Government has formally written to the US Government requesting clarification on earlier reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by US government agencies.
"The HKSAR Government will continue to follow up on the matter so as to protect the legal rights of the people of Hong Kong."
 
The Russian President's office said it has not been given any information about Mr Snowden's imminent arrival.

Track Snowden's flight in real time via Flightradar 24: flight AFL213.
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Re: Edward Snowden: American Patriot
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2013, 09:16:57 AM »
Edward Snowden IS guilty of espionage. He aided and abetted the principle enemy of the American government: the American people.

How our "glorious leaders" wish they could send reality to Guantanamo bay...




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Re: Edward Snowden: American Patriot
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2013, 12:16:00 PM »
Edward Snowden IS guilty of espionage. He aided and abetted the principle enemy of the American government: the American people.

How our "glorious leaders" wish they could send reality to Guantanamo bay...

No shit!

Is there anyway that the entire Snowden thing is made up like the Boston Marathon bombers were?  Has this question been asked?  Cause it smells like it to me.  I remember hearing about that NSA city they were building in the desert around a year ago it seems...either way it was a while ago.  WTF did the American people think they were building an NSA city for in the desert?  To fuckin' research how to bake cookies? 

At any rate...if Snowden is indeed a real case than I applaud him.  He is a true American Super Hero IMO.  Fuck the machine and it's endless destruction.  Burn that mother fucker down to the ground.  Lets build a Neo America where we're concerned about symbiosis with the natural world and not iphones and idiots runnin' around bashing into one another on account of a pigskin.  Hide in plain sight.  Like a fox.   O0

 

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