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If I were taking an online course on Permaculture, the way I would prefer to get the information is by:

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Voting closed: September 04, 2013, 10:04:02 PM

AuthorTopic: FREE PERMACULTURE DESIGN COURSE!  (Read 9606 times)

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FREE PERMACULTURE DESIGN COURSE!
« on: August 03, 2013, 07:49:16 PM »
There is now a FREE Permaculture Design Course available online.  They also will be offering the Certificate in the near future, which you wil be able to purchase after completing the course.

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Welcome to the World’s First Free Online Permaculture Design Course

Business Woman OutdoorsThe complete 72+ hour permaculture design course curriculum is now available completely without charge together with some amazing interviews on sustainable living and intentional community design from some of the world’s greatest educators. There is no catch here — the course is completely free. Just enter your name and e-mail address above, and click start course button. Start watching the lectures, and be sure to post an introduction in the student forum.

This is the same permaculture design course curriculum that is taught for thousands of dollars around the world, now available to you without charge. Our goal is to take permaculture mainstream, which requires making the knowledge available to people around the world without barriers. Many thousands of people have signed up since this course has been launched and we are continuing to fine-tune and release content over time.

Permaculture Design Course Certificate Track is Coming Soon
We are working on releasing an online permaculture design certification track, which should be available very soon. You can start watching the videos now (completely free) and simply purchase the certification option later once it is released. We expect the certification to be extremely affordable and it will require completion of a design project with assistance of an instructor as well as a competency examination.
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Re: FREE PERMACULTURE DESIGN COURSE!
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2013, 10:17:54 PM »
ohh...I get it...gonna take some contemplation as to whether Ima put the dedication into achieving another bit of time sacrificed certification. 

I believe permaculture has excessive value for our species.  It should be practiced far and wide for human survival purposes. 

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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2013, 10:38:48 PM »
ohh...I get it...gonna take some contemplation as to whether Ima put the dedication into achieving another bit of time sacrificed certification. 

I believe permaculture has excessive value for our species.  It should be practiced far and wide for human survival purposes.

72 hours is a pretty decent time commitment.  If you dedicated an hour a day to it, this would take a couple of months to complete.  Then the Certification part after that requires a Project agreeable to the Instructor.  My guess is the work you have done already prbably would qualify, so I don't think too much additional time after that would be necessary.

You are finished with Mursing stuff till January, so this Window of Time seems a good one for doing this.  Besides, it is FREE to take the course!  The cost only comes later when these folks get authorization to issue certificates, and as I mentioned in PM, for you and WHD, the Diner picks up the tab for that.

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Re: FREE PERMACULTURE DESIGN COURSE!
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2013, 10:56:55 PM »
There is now a FREE Permaculture Design Course available online.  They also will be offering the Certificate in the near future, which you will be able to purchase after completing the course.
Well, let me be the first to say, as a business model, that kind of sucks.  They are giving away what is truly valuable and charging for what is pretty much worthless -- or at least it will be after everyone takes the free course.
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Re: FREE PERMACULTURE DESIGN COURSE!
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2013, 11:12:58 PM »
There is now a FREE Permaculture Design Course available online.  They also will be offering the Certificate in the near future, which you will be able to purchase after completing the course.
Well, let me be the first to say, as a business model, that kind of sucks.  They are giving away what is truly valuable and charging for what is pretty much worthless -- or at least it will be after everyone takes the free course.

Not really.

Seems to me these folks want to disperse the KNOWLEDGE first and foremost, so they provide the Material to learn it for FREE.  It is only secondary to them to make MONEY off of this stuff, and the price they will charge will be just what is necessary to get Accreditation to issue certificates.  This likely would be in the same neighborhood as the course BC2K mentioned a while back, which as I recall was around $550.

They do not appear to be in Biz to make money at it.  They appear to me to be much like us, just interested in covering costs while making the information as available as possible.

I see no downside to availing yourself of this information since these folks are willing and able to hand it out for free.  Even WITHOUT the Certificate, the Knowledge has Value.  I will take the course myself, despite the fact Plants DIE as soon as I get near them.  LOL.  I won't go for the certificate myself, but no reason not to read up on it for FREE!

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Re: FREE PERMACULTURE DESIGN COURSE!
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2013, 06:46:31 AM »
I see no downside to availing yourself of this information since these folks are willing and able to hand it out for free.  Even WITHOUT the Certificate, the Knowledge has Value.  I will take the course myself, despite the fact Plants DIE as soon as I get near them.  LOL.  I won't go for the certificate myself, but no reason not to read up on it for FREE!
Oh, don't get me wrong, from the learner's standpoint, this is great, I highly recommend taking the course if you have the inclination and time.  I'll probably go through it just to see how they do it.

The problem, and their miscalculation, is that probably virtually everyone will only take the free stuff and not pay for the certification.  It's a great religious model, but unless they can support the website by other means, they will likely go bankrupt, but probably not before destroying "permaculture education" as a way to make a living.  Ironically, this may ultimately kill the growth of the permaculture movement.
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Re: FREE PERMACULTURE DESIGN COURSE!
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2013, 07:20:37 AM »
is that probably virtually everyone will only take the free stuff and not pay for the certification.  It's a great religious model, but unless they can support the website by other means, they will likely go bankrupt, but probably not before destroying "permaculture education" as a way to make a living.  Ironically, this may ultimately kill the growth of the permaculture movement.

I don't think everybody is going to take shit John.  As much as permaculture needs to be about making money for it to be viable in our current paradigm, it needs to be more about affecting change by way of increasing the amount of permaculture holes being dug and growies being grown per capita. 

What's more important here, making money at permaculture or increasing the implementation of permaculture techniques?

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Re: FREE PERMACULTURE DESIGN COURSE!
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2013, 10:30:11 AM »
As much as permaculture needs to be about making money for it to be viable in our current paradigm....

What's more important here, making money at permaculture or increasing the implementation of permaculture techniques?

That's a false dichotomy, LD.  When did the organic movement go from being a lunatic fringe to being an important niche market?  When people were able to make serious money at it.  You admit it needs to be at least marginally profitable to survive in the current economic setup.  Plus, I didn't say "make money", I said "make a living".  Permaculture is largely about eliminating expenses, so you should be able to survive with minimal cash, as long as property taxes and mortgage payments aren't too high.

Part of my objection is the CFS perception that if you're giving something away for free, it must not be worth much.  This also will damage the perceived value of permaculture.
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Re: FREE PERMACULTURE DESIGN COURSE!
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2013, 10:44:26 AM »
Okay, I take it back.  I signed up for the course and am trying to watch the first video.  They priced it right.

Definitely not a Toby Hemenway, Paul Wheaton, or Sepp Holzer.

Don't get too comfortable or watch it late at night.

UPDATE: Okay, at least for the first video, if you hide the picture, it actually makes a decent podcast... the picture is just the guy lecturing anyway.
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Re: FREE PERMACULTURE DESIGN COURSE!
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2013, 11:10:05 AM »
As much as permaculture needs to be about making money for it to be viable in our current paradigm....

What's more important here, making money at permaculture or increasing the implementation of permaculture techniques?

That's a false dichotomy, LD.  When did the organic movement go from being a lunatic fringe to being an important niche market?  When people were able to make serious money at it.  You admit it needs to be at least marginally profitable to survive in the current economic setup.  Plus, I didn't say "make money", I said "make a living".  Permaculture is largely about eliminating expenses, so you should be able to survive with minimal cash, as long as property taxes and mortgage payments aren't too high.

Part of my objection is the CFS perception that if you're giving something away for free, it must not be worth much.  This also will damage the perceived value of permaculture.

Thing is, they aren't giving away the CERTIFICATES for free, just the knowledge.  After sitting through the course, until you Pony Up some money, you don't have the right to teach your own Permaculture course and try to make some money this way.

Far as this diminishing the ability of a PDC holder to use it to make a living, yea it probably does.  Who doesn't Bargain Shop for the lowest price usually?  However, a Hands On Course Live in your Neighborhood also has a different kind of value for people who don't like the sterile world of cyberspace for learning.  Besides that, if/when the Internet Goes Dark, the course won't be available online for free anymore, so you will HAVE to go to your local live PDC Professional to learn at that point.

Again, I don't think these folks are in it to make money, and putting up a website to do education of this sort is not expensive.  I think Haniel and I could duplicate this site for maybe a yearly cost of $500 to keep up and running, if we contributed our labor for free.  In fact I intend to do just that on the SUN  :icon_sunny: website when we get that up.  ;D  All you gotta do after that is make sufficient money on the site so it pays its own bills.  That is my Model for the Diner, which is still Negative but not by too much.  When we get some more listenership for the podcasts, making some premium access IMHO will produce enough revenue to bring this website Positive in net Income.

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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2013, 04:17:14 PM »
lots of cognizant dissonance with me on this one.  I mean I'm already playing the god damned certification game trying make some good money at the ministry of health.  No small amount of bull shit to endure where that goal is concerned.  Now I'm gonna spend time playing the permaculture certification game on my break from the gate kept college Murse license game.  Somewhere in there I'm supposed to actually dig holes and plant trees.  And lets not forget the hustling I gotta help facilitate for raising digibits to feed our family. 

My point is I'm not so sure the PDC is worth the effort.  It's just a piece of paper...supposedly a necessary one to help with the creation of a real Foxstead. 

I know I'm just bitching...but it would be nice to have a healthy intact culture worth caring about, with a future habitat that's not being threatened by the chemical making monkey that is my species.  It would be nice to not have to start from scratch with a myth to guide said culture.  It's tiring trying to remain optimistic and bull shit myself into a hopium lite that gives me enough give a shit to listen to people I have no idea about online in the hopes of acquiring a piece of paper that says I'm a specialist in hole digging, plant growing, and water catching.  All things that I will be deemed competent to teach after watching enough videos and drawing a nice drawing to scale which features growies and pit swales and maybe a duck or two. 

Then I'm gonna take the certificate that I gain via ass sitting in front of a computer and teach others how to save themselves from Waterworld. 

I'm really startin' to get behind the idea of a sail boat sea gypsy lifestyle with days spent sailing around gorilla planting for future harvests.  Or even sailing port to port while pimping my mursing skills to the highest corporate bidder.  It's startin' to look to me like Orlov is pretty damn right on.  Of course I just finished reading the Five Stages of Collapse so Orlov is fresh in my brain.  However I've long though him one of the best peak oil thinkers.  I resonate with his CFS, empirical, time tested message.  I think he just presents the facts about our species rather well.  I find myself in agreement with him. 

My focus is on identifying the best strategy for comfortable survival for my family.  These days I'm not completely sold on permaculture simply because I think it may be too late to make a shit.  The cancer has probably already metastasized.  I hate to be that voice, but I can't be deluded.  The truth is what matters to me. 

On another note I started reading Restoration Agriculture today.  I wonder if reading that book can count towards a PDC?  Probably not... :emthdown:

 

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Re: FREE PERMACULTURE DESIGN COURSE!
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2013, 05:39:03 PM »
My focus is on identifying the best strategy for comfortable survival for my family.  These days I'm not completely sold on permaculture simply because I think it may be too late to make a shit.  The cancer has probably already metastasized.  I hate to be that voice, but I can't be deluded.  The truth is what matters to me. 
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On another note I started reading Restoration Agriculture today.  I wonder if reading that book can count towards a PDC?  Probably not... :emthdown:
By Mark Shepard? As far as I'm concerned, absolutely!  I'd want to spend at least a good portion of 1 of the 72 hours on his theories and practices.
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Re: Dmitri Orlov and Seasteading
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2013, 06:07:47 PM »
I'm really startin' to get behind the idea of a sail boat sea gypsy lifestyle with days spent sailing around gorilla planting for future harvests.  Or even sailing port to port while pimping my mursing skills to the highest corporate bidder.  It's startin' to look to me like Orlov is pretty damn right on.  Of course I just finished reading the Five Stages of Collapse so Orlov is fresh in my brain.  However I've long though him one of the best peak oil thinkers.  I resonate with his CFS, empirical, time tested message.  I think he just presents the facts about our species rather well.  I find myself in agreement with him. 

Well, you have to remember, Dmitri has lived through Collapse... of the Soviet Union.  His is not some academic theory, it's personal experience.  I haven't finished reading the Five Stages of Collapse, I did read most of what was on Amazon's preview, and I read the entire 70-slide presentation online that came before it.  I also think he has a good analysis of the situation, that financial, commercial, and political collapse are guaranteed, it's social and cultural collapse where we need to fight the battle, both because we have a chance of winning (at least in some locations) and because the costs of losing are too great.
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2013, 06:36:58 PM »

Well, you have to remember, Dmitri has lived through Collapse... of the Soviet Union.  His is not some academic theory, it's personal experience.  I haven't finished reading the Five Stages of Collapse, I did read most of what was on Amazon's preview, and I read the entire 70-slide presentation online that came before it.  I also think he has a good analysis of the situation, that financial, commercial, and political collapse are guaranteed, it's social and cultural collapse where we need to fight the battle, both because we have a chance of winning (at least in some locations) and because the costs of losing are too great.

Actually, Dmitry did NOT live through the collapse of the Soviet Union.  He was born in 1962 and his family moved to the FSoA when he was 12, in 1974.  The only way he "experienced" collapse was through periodic visits flying over there from time to time utilizing a ton of jet fuel to do so.  LOL.

This is not to say Dmitry's 5 Stages aren't a good analysis, but he gets a lot of mileage out of the misconception he actually lived through the collapse of the Soviet Union.  He did not.

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Re: Dmitri Orlov and Seasteading
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2013, 07:05:34 PM »
Well, you have to remember, Dmitri has lived through Collapse... of the Soviet Union.  His is not some academic theory, it's personal experience.  I haven't finished reading the Five Stages of Collapse, I did read most of what was on Amazon's preview, and I read the entire 70-slide presentation online that came before it.  I also think he has a good analysis of the situation, that financial, commercial, and political collapse are guaranteed, it's social and cultural collapse where we need to fight the battle, both because we have a chance of winning (at least in some locations) and because the costs of losing are too great.

question is, how are we supposed to get a bunch of scared iphone dazzled consumer zombies to start thinkin' about food beyond the fact that it's in the grocery store when you go to buy it?  I mean form some type of culture in a cut up and marketed for maximum profit throw away single use debauchery of human spirit? 

I've been riding my mountain bike lately.  A Trek 6000 that I bought in 1998 and have abused ever since.  I ride it through the country, mostly on paved roads, and when I encounter traffic I hang just in the woods at the busy intersection, and I watch the people driving by.  Zooming by rather.  Going about their BAU lives mostly oblivious to anything that isn't la de da.  I clime into the maple tree in my front yard just off the road on a daily basis and watch the road and the people on it.  I might as well be invisible up there where people aren't looking, in plain sight, about 10 feet off the ground in my yard. 

I'm 33 and can run and jump into a maple tree "like a muuuunkeeee" as I say to my son, who watches in baffled amusement, at his crazy ass father climbing up into trees and riding wheelies on a mountain bike. 

Where is the culture that my son is going to be a part of?  It damn sure ain't gonna be in service of the Matrix if I have anything to say about it.  That means margins, and most probably nomadic.  And if I'm going to be nomadic I'm going to do it on the sea.  I am, after all, a USN sailor...granted a dysfunctional and expelled one.  Doesn't subtract from the six month deployment I participated in, which two months into (I believe that's about right) became 9/11. 

So we must invent a new myth to service a new culture of post petroleum humans.

I'm off to eat the huitalacoche that my gringo wife just fried up and threw in a quesadilla ;D 8)

It grew next to 15 chicken asses.

 

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