You are nothing of not consistent. A dependable and eager apologist for The Official Story and the Received Wisdom.
Some might just call it "give reality a chance", but I understand the need for everything to fit into some greater, America is bad context, empire this, GMO that, regardless of the facts of the matter, the logical inconsistencies, those sorts of issues.
Coincidence is not causation.
Go teach your grandmother to suck eggs, this one gets taught in "How To Be A Scientist 101".
And sure, you are right, the Japanese were already preparing for the big surrender party on September 2, 1945 and the bombs just got in the way of collecting the sushi and saki for the party. Right.
Hey Dickless!
That's right.
You. Dickless.
I will not deal with the rest of your masturbatory diatribe, although rest assured I could dispatch it with the easy aplomb that I will this argument here.
Let's talk history, shall we? Let's consult the evidence. These are what the smart kids call facts.
"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima
and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan.
The Japanese were almost defeated and ready to surrender...in being
the first to use it, we...adopted an ethical standard common to the
barbarians of the Dark Ages."
---Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy,
Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during World War II
*
A timeline of events in the Pacific Theatre
January 1945 - *MacArthur forwarded to the President a Japanese offer
to surrender to which was exactly what we accepted 7 months later. Had
it been accepted when first offered, there would have been no heavy loss
of life on Iwo Jima (over 26,033 Americans killed or wounded,
approximately 21,000 Japanese killed) and Okinawa (over 39,000 U.S. dead
and wounded, 109,000 Japanese dead), no fire bombing of Japanese cities
by B-29 bombers (it is estimated that the dropping of 1,700 tons of
incendiary explosives on Japanese cities during March 9th-10th alone
killed over 80,000 civilians and destroyed 260,000 buildings), and no
use of the atomic bomb (200,000 killed). **
*
5 April 1945 -* Japan appointed Prime Minister Suzuki Kantaro who was
known to be a peace advocate.
*8 May 1945 -* Japan tried to surrender through the Soviet Union.
*June 1945 - *Both the US Army and Navy recommended to Truman that he
clarify the US demands in regard to the Emperor. It was recognized that
he was absolutely essential so he could order his men to lay down their
arms. Without him, there would have been anarchy in Japan.
*11 July 1945 -* Japan offered to surrender unconditionally, with one
exception - they wished to retain their monarchy. They didn't insist on
retaining Emperor Hirohito. They were willing to replace him with his
small son, for example. The US wouldn't even talk to them - the bomb was
dropped on them without the US ever responding to any of their peace
feelers. Since we let them keep their monarchy (they never
unconditionally surrendered - the US offered assurances to the Emperor
on August 11 after both bombs were dropped, when they had the
assurances they surrendered), there was no difference between this
offer and what happened on August 14. Every death after July 11, both US
and Japanese, was a war crime committed by Harry Truman. In July, Japan
was totally helpless and was being shelled from sea and air. Japan had
been bombed back to the stone age. Its population was facing imminent
starvation. Much of the Japanese Army was stranded in China or scattered
across islands like the Philippines or New Britain.
The Japanese Navy had, capable of unaided movement, two aircraft
carriers (one damaged) with no planes, three damaged cruisers, 41
destroyers, most damaged to some degree, and 59 submarines. There were
829 vessels incapable of movement, some lying on the bottom in shallow
water, some floating upside down, some listing, others awash.
Here are a few of the Japanese attempts to end the war in July:
July 11: "make clear to Russia... We have no intention of annexing or
taking possession of the areas which we have been occupying as a result
of the war; we hope to terminate the war".
July 12: "it is His Majesty's heart's desire to see the swift termination of the war".
July 13: "I sent Ando, Director of the Bureau of Political Affairs to
communicate to the [Soviet] Ambassador that His Majesty desired to
dispatch Prince Konoye as special envoy, carrying with him the personal
letter of His Majesty stating the Imperial wish to end the war" /(for
above items, see: U.S. Dept. of State, Potsdam 1, pg. 873-879). /
July 18: "Negotiations... necessary... for soliciting Russia's good
offices in concluding the war and also in improving the basis for
negotiations with England and America." /(Magic-Diplomatic Summary,
7/18/45, Records of the National Security Agency, Magic Files, RG 457,
Box 18, National Archives). /
July 22: "Special Envoy Konoye's mission will be in obedience to the
Imperial Will. He will request assistance in bringing about an end to
the war through the good offices of the Soviet Government." The July
21st communication from Togo also noted that a conference between the
Emperor's emissary, Prince Konoye, and the Soviet Union, was sought, in
preparation for contacting the U.S. and Great Britain (/Magic-Diplomatic
Summary, 7/22/45, Records of the National Security Agency, Magic Files,
RG 457, Box 18, National Archives).
July 26 Japan's Ambassador to Moscow, Sato, to the Soviet Acting
Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Lozovsky: "The aim of the Japanese
Government with regard to Prince Konoye's mission is to enlist the good
offices of the Soviet Government in order to end the war."
/(Magic-Diplomatic Summary, 7/26/45, Records of the National Security
Agency, Magic Files, RG 457, Box 18, National Archives). /
1945 Truman used atomic bombs on two Japanese cities, Hiroshima on
August 6 and Nagasaki on August 9. Now generally considered a war crime,
at the minimum it was the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent
civilians. There was no lack of military targets or a demonstration in a
remote place was possible, so the selection of targets is indefensible,
leaving aside the issue of whether the bombing was justified in the
first place. To make this decision Truman had to wave aside concerns
about post blast radiation, which was an unknown quantity at that time,
and even the possibility of an unstoppable chain reaction in the
atmosphere which would destroy the world. It was pointed out to him that
one bomb dropped on a city would have an effect undistinguishable from
and no greater than a big B-29 incendiary raid of the kind already in
progress, in terms of immediate casualties and total damage. In other
words, this was utterly senseless.
Whatever point Truman thought he was making was made with the first one.
Dropping the bomb to "end the war sooner" was a falsification of history
because Truman, in fact, lengthened the war in order to drop the bomb.
First he postponed the Potsdam Conference and thereby the Russian
declaration of war on Japan for two weeks until the bomb was ready and
then he had the language for assurances to the Emperor deleted so the
Potsdam Declaration would be unacceptable to the Japanese.
The US Strategic Bombing Survey explicitly stated that the war would
have ended sooner if they had chosen different targets – but the goal
was not to end the war but to support an invasion . As to the argument
that the bomb saved American lives - it is spurious to assert as fact
that obliterating Hiroshima in August was needed to obviate an invasion
in November - the date we had planned. The April 30, 1946 study by the
War Department's Military Intelligence Division concluded, "The war
would almost certainly have terminated when Russia entered the war
against Japan." This remains the only use of atomic weapons in anger.
Before the bomb was dropped, some scientists of the Manhattan Project
produced the Franck Report which questioned the ability of destroying
Japanese cities with atomic bombs to bring surrender when destroying
Japanese cities with conventional bombs had not done so. It recommended
a demonstration of the atomic bomb for Japan in an unpopulated area.
Facing the long-term consequences with Russia, the report stated
prophetically:
"If no international agreement is concluded immediately after the
first demonstration, this will mean a flying start of an unlimited
armaments race."
The report pointed out that the United States, with its highly concentrated urban areas,
would become a prime target for nuclear weapons and concluded:
"We believe that these considerations make the use of nuclear bombs
for an early, unannounced attack against Japan inadvisable. If the
United States would be the first to release this new means of
indiscriminate destruction upon mankind, she would sacrifice public
support throughout the world, precipitate the race of armaments, and
prejudice the possibility of reaching an international agreement on
the future control of such weapons."
When Eisenhower was told of the bomb he said: "...the Japanese were
ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful
thing." - Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63
On August 8, 1945, after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, Herbert Hoover
wrote to Army and Navy Journal, "The use of the atomic bomb, with its
indiscriminate killing of women and children, revolts my soul."
May of 1946 Hoover met with General Douglas MacArthur. Hoover recorded
in his diary, "I told MacArthur of my memorandum of mid-May 1945 to
Truman, that peace could be had with Japan by which our major objectives
would be accomplished.
"MacArthur said that was correct and that we would
have avoided all of the losses, the Atomic bomb, and the entry of Russia
into Manchuria."The U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey group, assigned by President Truman to
study the air attacks on Japan, produced a report in July of 1946:
"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by
the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the
Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all
probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered
even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had
not entered he war, and even if no invasion had been planned or
contemplated."
But feel free to ignore the testimony of those who were there, who witnessed what happened, who had the actual intelligence. Let's not believe Eisenhower, Mac Arthur, the historical record of the various offers of surrender, or the USSBS. Let's believe MKing because the the Official Wisdom is Good For Business.
Squat down and squeeze out another opinion, like a good corporate servant and acolyte.
I haven't had this much fun beating a troll since my TBP days.
Evidence. Get you some.
Thanks for playing our game.
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