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The Syria Desk
« on: August 26, 2013, 03:59:50 AM »
Last card in the deck to reinflate the economy and keep the 1%'s ill gotten gains in their pockets-- total war?



"Military Intervention In Syria", US Training "Rebels" Since 2011 And The Complete Grand Plan - The March 2012 Leak


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-25/military-intervention-syria-us-training-rebels-2011-and-complete-grand-plan-march-20

For all those still shocked by the "developing events" in Syria, here is the full rundown as it was orchestrated back in 2011, and as it was released in March 2012 by Wikileaks.

From Wikileaks, released 3/6/2012, typos and grammar errors as in original.

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INSIGHT - military intervention in Syria, post withdrawal status of forces

Released on 2012-03-06 07:00 GMT



A few points I wanted to highlight from meetings today --

I spent most of the afternoon at the Pentagon with the USAF strategic studies group - guys who spend their time trying to understand and explain to the USAF chief the big picture in areas where they're operating in. It was just myself and four other guys at the Lieutenant Colonel level, including one French and one British representative who are liaising with the US currently out of DC.

They wanted to grill me on the strategic picture on Syria, so after that I got to grill them on the military picture. There is still a very low level of understanding of what is actually at stake in Syria, what's the strategic interest there, the Turkish role, the Iranian role, etc. After a couple hours of talking, they said without saying that SOF teams (presumably from US, UK, France, Jordan, Turkey) are already on the ground focused on recce [ZH: "recce" means reconnaissance] missions and training opposition forces. One Air Force intel guy (US) said very carefully that there isn't much of a Free Syrian Army to train right now anyway, but all the operations being done now are being done out of 'prudence.' The way it was put to me was, 'look at this way - the level of information known on Syrian OrBat this month is the best it's been since 2001.' They have been told to prepare contingencies and be ready to act within 2-3 months, but they still stress that this is all being done as contingency planning, not as a move toward escalation.

I kept pressing on the question of what these SOF teams would be working toward, and whether this would lead to an eventual air camapign to give a Syrian rebel group cover. They pretty quickly distanced themselves from that idea, saying that the idea 'hypothetically' is to commit guerrilla attacks, assassination campaigns, try to break the back of the Alawite forces, elicit collapse from within. There wouldn't be a need for air cover, and they wouldn't expect these Syrian rebels to be marching in columns anyway.

They emphasized how the air campaign in Syria makes Libya look like a piece of cake. Syrian air defenses are a lot more robust and are much denser, esp around Damascus and on the borders with Israel, Turkey. THey are most worried about mobile air defenses, particularly the SA-17s that they've been getting recently. It's still a doable mission, it's just not an easy one.

The main base they would use is Cyprus, hands down. Brits and FRench would fly out of there. They kept stressing how much is stored at Cyprus and how much recce comes out of there. The group was split on whether Turkey would be involved, but said Turkey would be pretty critical to the mission to base stuff out of there. EVen if Turkey had a poltiical problem with Cyprus, they said there is no way the Brits and the FRench wouldn't use Cyprus as their main air force base. Air Force Intel guy seems  pretty convinced that the Turks won't participate (he seemed pretty pissed at them.)

There still seems to be a lot of confusion over what a military intervention involving an air campaign would be designed to achieve. It isn't clear cut for them geographically like in Libya, and you can't just create an NFZ over Homs, Hama region. This would entail a countrywide SEAD campaign lasting the duration of the war. They dont believe air intervention would happen unless there was enough media attention on a massacre, like the Ghadafi move against Benghazi. They think the US would have a high tolerance for killings as long as it doesn't reach that very public stage. Theyre also questiioning the skills of the Syrian forces that are operating the country's air defenses currently and how signfiicant the Iranian presence is there. Air Force Intel guy is most obsessed with the challenge of taking out Syria's ballistic missile capabilities and chem weapons. With Israel rgiht there and the regime facing an existential crisis, he sees that as a major complication to any military intervention.

The post 2011 SOFA with Iraq is still being negotiated. These guys were hoping that during Biden's visit that he would announce a deal with Maliki, but no such luck. They are gambling ont he idea that the Iraqis remember the iran-iraq war and that maliki is not going to want to face the threat of Iranian jets entering Iraqi air space. THey say that most US fighter jets are already out of Iraq and transferred to Kuwait. They explained that's the beauty of the air force, the base in Kuwait is just a hop, skip and jump away from their bases in Europe, ie. very easy to rapidly build up when they need to. They don't seem concerned about the US ability to restructure its forces to send a message to Iran. They gave the example of the USS Enterprise that was supposed to be out of commission already and got extended another couple years to send to the gulf. WHen the US withdraws, we'll have at least 2 carriers in the gulf out of centcom and one carrier in the Med out of EuCom. I asked if the build-up in Kuwait and the carrier deployments are going to be enough to send a message to Iran that the US isn't going anywhere. They responded that Iran will get the message if they read the Centcom Web Site. STarting Jan. 1 expect them to be publishing all over the place where the US is
building up.

Another concern they have about an operation in Syria is whether Iran could impede operations out of Balad air force base in Iraq.

The French representative was of hte opinion that Syria won't be a libya-type situation in that France would be gung-ho about going in. Not in an election year. The UK rep also emphasized UK reluctance but said that the renegotiation of the EU treaty undermines the UK role and that UK would be looking for ways to reassert itself on the continent ( i dont really think a syria campaign is the way to do that.) UK guy mentioned as an aside that the air force base commander at Cyprus got switched out from a maintenance guy to a guy that flew Raptors, ie someone that understands what it means to start dropping bombs. He joked that it was probably a coincidence.

Prior to that, I had a meeting with an incoming Kuwaiti diplomat (will be coded as KU301.) His father was high up in the regime, always by the CP's/PM's side. The diplo himself still seems to be getting his feet wet in DC (the new team just arrived less than 2 weeks ago,) but he made pretty clear that Kuwait was opening the door to allowing US to build up forces as needed. THey already have a significant presence there, and a lot of them will be on 90-day rotations. He also said that the SOFA that the US signs with Baghdad at the last minute will be worded in such a way that even allowing one trainer in the country can be construed to mean what the US wants in terms of keeping forces in Iraq. Overall, I didnt get the impression from him that Kuwait is freaked out about the US leaving.

Everyhting is just getting rearranged. The Kuwaitis used to be much better at managing their relations with Iran, but ever since that spy ring story came out a year ago, it's been bad. He doesn't think Iran has significant covert capabililiteis in the GCC states, though they are trying. Iranian activity is mostly propaganda focused. He said that while KSA and Bahrain they can deal with it as needed and black out the media, Kuwait is a lot more open and thus provides Iran with more oppotunity to shape perceptions (he used to work in inforamtion unit in Kuwait.) He says there is a sig number of kuwaitis that listen to Iranian media like Al Alam especially.

On the Kuwaiti political scene - the government is having a harder time dealing with a more emboldened opposition, but the opposition is still extremely divided, esp among the Islamists. The MPs now all have to go back to their tribes to rally support for the elections to take place in Feb. Oftentimes an MP in Kuwait city will find out that he has lost support back home with the tribe, and so a lot of moeny is handed out.The govt is hoping that witha clean slate they can quiet the opposition down. A good way of managing the opposition he said is to refer cases to the courts, where they can linger forever. good way for the govt to buy time. He doesnt believe the Arab League will take significant action against Syria - no one is interested in military intervention. they just say it to threaten it.
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Re: The Syria Desk
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2013, 04:04:34 AM »
Lying About Syria, and the Lying Liars Who Lie About the Lying
by David Swanson

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/08/lying-about-syria-and-the-lying-liars-who-lie-about-the-lying.html

(go to riginal to follow embedded links.)

“U.S. prepares for possible retaliatory strike against Syria,” announces a Los Angeles Times headline, even though Syria has not attacked the United States or any of its occupied territories or imperial forces and has no intention to do so.

Quoth the article:

“the president made no decisions, but the high-level talks came as the Pentagon acknowledged it was moving U.S. forces into position in the region.”

Forgive me, but who the SNAFU made that decision?  Does the commander in chief have any say in this?  Does he get to make speeches explaining how wrong it would be to attack Syria, meet with top military officials who leave the meeting to prepare for attacks on Syria, and go down in history as having been uninvolved in, if not opposed to, his own policies?

Threatening to attack Syria, and moving ships into position to do it, are significant, and illegal, and immoral actions.  The president can claim not to have decided to push the button, but he can’t pretend that all the preparations to do so just happen like the weather.  Or he couldn’t if newspapers reported news.

(Yes, illegal.  Read the U.N. Charter:

“All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”)

“The Defense Department has a responsibility to provide the president with options for all contingencies,” said the so-called Defense Secretary, but do any of the contingencies involve defending the United States?  Do any of them involve peace-making?  If not, is it really accurate to talk about “all” contingencies?

In fact, Chuck Hagel only has that “responsibility” because Obama instructed him to provide, not all options, but all military options.

Syrian rebels understand that under all possible U.S. policies, faking chemical weapons attacks can get them guns, while shifting to nonviolent resistance can only get them as ignored as Bahrain. (Ba-who?)

“Obama also called British Prime Minister David Cameron,” says the LA Times, “to talk over the developments in Syria. The two are ‘united’ in their opposition to the use of chemical weapons, the White House said in a statement issued after the call.” Well, except for white phosphorus and napalm.  Those are good chemical weapons, and the United States government is against bad chemical weapons, so really your newspaper isn’t lying to you at all.

What did Obama say to CNN on Thursday?

“[T]he notion that the U.S. can somehow solve what is a sectarian, complex problem inside of Syria sometimes is overstated”

Ya think?

CNN’s Chris Cuomo (son of Mario) pushed for war:

“But delay can be deadly, right, Mr. President?”

Obama replied that he was still verifying the latest chemical weapons horseshit.  Cuomo brushed that aside:

“There’s strong proof they used them already, though, in the past.”

Obama didn’t reply to that lie, but spouted some vacuous rhetoric.

Cuomo, his thirst for dead Syrian flesh perhaps getting a bit frustrated, reached for the standard John McCainism.  Senator McCain, Cuomo said, thinks U.S. “credibility” is lost if Syria is not attacked.  (And if the U.S. government were to suddenly claim not to be an institution of mass-murder, and to act on that — then how would its credibility be?)

Obama, undeterred, went right on preaching against what he was about to do.  “Sometimes,” Obama said, “what we’ve seen is that folks will call for immediate action, jumping into stuff, that does not turn out well, gets us mired in very difficult situations, can result in us being drawn into very expensive, difficult, costly interventions that actually breed more resentment in the region.”

But you promised, whined Cuomo, that chemical weapons use would be the crossing of a Red Line!

Obama replied that international law should be complied with.  (For the uninitiated, international law actually forbids attacking and overturning other nations’ governments — even Libya’s.) And, Obama pointed out, there are options other than the military.

There are?!

I’ve found that when Obama starts talking sense like this, he’s actually moving rapidly in the opposite direction.  The more he explains why it would be wrong and illegal and stupid and immoral to attack Syria, the more you can be sure he’s about to do just that.

Here are my, previously published, top 10 reasons not to attack Syria, even if the latest chemical weapons lies were true:

1. War is not made legal by such an excuse.  It can’t be found in the Kellogg-Briand Pact, the United Nations Charter, or the U.S. Constitution.  It can, however, be found in U.S. war propaganda of the 2002 vintage.  (Who says our government doesn’t promote recycling?)

2. The United States itself possesses and uses internationally condemned weapons, including white phosphorus, napalm, cluster bombs, and depleted uranium.  Whether you praise these actions, avoid thinking about them, or join me in condemning them, they are not a legal or moral justification for any foreign nation to bomb us, or to bomb some other nation where the U.S. military is operating.  Killing people to prevent their being killed with the wrong kind of weapons is a policy that must come out of some sort of sickness.  Call it Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

3. An expanded war in Syria could become regional or global with uncontrollable consequences.  Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Russia, China, the United States, the Gulf states, the NATO states . . . does this sound like the sort of conflict we want?  Does it sound like a conflict anyone will survive?  Why in the world risk such a thing?

4. Just creating a “no fly zone” would involve bombing urban areas and unavoidably killing large numbers of people.  This happened in Libya and we looked away.  But it would happen on a much larger scale in Syria, given the locations of the sites to be bombed.  Creating a “no fly zone” is not a matter of making an announcement, but of dropping bombs.

5. Both sides in Syria have used horrible weapons and committed horrible atrocities.  Surely even those who imagine people should be killed to prevent their being killed with different weapons can see the insanity of arming both sides to protect each other side.  Why is it not, then, just as insane to arm one side in a conflict that involves similar abuses by both?

6. With the United States on the side of the opposition in Syria, the United States will be blamed for the opposition’s crimes.  Most people in Western Asia hate al Qaeda and other terrorists.  They are also coming to hate the United States and its drones, missiles, bases, night raids, lies, and hypocrisy.  Imagine the levels of hatred that will be reached when al Qaeda and the United States team up to overthrow the government of Syria and create an Iraq-like hell in its place.

7. An unpopular rebellion put into power by outside force does not usually result in a stable government.  In fact there is not yet on record a case of U.S. humanitarian war benefitting humanity or of nation-building actually building a nation.  Why would Syria, which looks even less auspicious than most potential targets, be the exception to the rule?

8. This opposition is not interested in creating a democracy, or — for that matter — in taking instructions from the U.S. government.  On the contrary, blowback from these allies is likely.  Just as we should have learned the lesson of lies about weapons by now, our government should have learned the lesson of arming the enemy of the enemy long before this moment.

9. The precedent of another lawless act by the United States, whether arming proxies or engaging directly, sets a dangerous example to the world and to those in Washington for whom Iran is next on the list.

10. A strong majority of Americans, despite all the media’s efforts thus far, opposes arming the rebels or engaging directly.  Instead, a plurality supports providing humanitarian aid.

In sum, making the Syrian people worse off is not a way to help them.

But — guess what? — the evidence suggests strongly that the latest chemical weapons claims are as phony as all the previous ones.

Who would have ever predicted?
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Re: The Syria Desk
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2013, 04:05:41 AM »
Last card in the deck to reinflate the economy and keep the 1%'s ill gotten gains in their pockets-- total war?

It is unlikely to reinflate the economy, just keep it from deflating quite so fast.

A Total War in MENA has been brewing quite a while, it keeps expanding as the resources grow thinner and the peeps get more desperate.

Obama-sama has no choice in this matter, he is a Puppet of the Oil Industry and TBTF Banks.  They need the War to get hold of the few resources left.  Without this, their power is nil, and many will see the wrong end of the Guillotine.  So it goes. Everybody Knows.

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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2013, 04:35:58 AM »
It appears obvious to me that Obama, to his credit, wants nothing to do with this affair and is trying his utmost to delay it or hope something will happen to make it go away.

Having said that it is also my belief that he has been given a list of possible outcomes that has him deservedly most worried and most hesitant to go along.

Ashvin gave us an example of divine intervention a while back, let's hope for another.   
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2013, 06:10:22 AM »
Last card in the deck to reinflate the economy and keep the 1%'s ill gotten gains in their pockets-- total war?

It is unlikely to reinflate the economy, just keep it from deflating quite so fast.

A Total War in MENA has been brewing quite a while, it keeps expanding as the resources grow thinner and the peeps get more desperate.

Obama-sama has no choice in this matter, he is a Puppet of the Oil Industry and TBTF Banks.  They need the War to get hold of the few resources left.  Without this, their power is nil, and many will see the wrong end of the Guillotine.  So it goes. Everybody Knows.

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Maybe "reinflate" a poor word, but will at least shuffle FRNs to the Nuclear mafia.

The entire purpose of QE was, as Quinn's article today makes perfectly clear, to keep the 1% whole and avoid the legal consequences of their bad casino bets, and the reulting liquidation of paper "assets" under what used to be called the "rule of law."

Somewhere Phil Gramm is smiling.

Surveys I have seen elsewhere indicate that 80% of the American people remain uncoinvinced about war in Syria. And a Russian official has tweeted that Obama is a "Bush Clone."


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Re: The Syria Desk
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2013, 07:13:24 AM »
Who was it pimping North Korea as the next big thing?

http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?topic=1297.0

Imagine that, the same folks, still pimping. Don't worry Surly1, after kissing North Korea and it remaining a toad, I'm sure there is a fear meme out there somewhere just waiting to be turned into a prince.

My bad, Mking. I thought you were the whore to the pimp Oil industry. LOL. Who are we pimping again?

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Re: The Syria Desk
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2013, 10:32:15 AM »
Who was it pimping North Korea as the next big thing?

http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?topic=1297.0

Imagine that, the same folks, still pimping. Don't worry Surly1, after kissing North Korea and it remaining a toad, I'm sure there is a fear meme out there somewhere just waiting to be turned into a prince.

Look what popped out from under the bridge! A troll!

Don't you have some children to vaporize or some Koch to suck, MKing?

That's right kids-- don't worry be happy. Work, shop, consume, die. It is written.
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2013, 05:00:19 PM »
Who was it pimping North Korea as the next big thing?

http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?topic=1297.0

Imagine that, the same folks, still pimping. Don't worry Surly1, after kissing North Korea and it remaining a toad, I'm sure there is a fear meme out there somewhere just waiting to be turned into a prince.
//  MKing: You seem to be equally familiar with both the acts of pimping and whoring. What ever would lead you, a person obviously amoral in the true sense, into a forum and discussion where only the highest morals are of interest. How could such a discussion interest one such as yourself, use to the highest mercenary rewards in return for selling his soul. Or do you even have a soul left? Maybe it is only your dying physical characteristics that you have left to sell now. Karpatok

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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2013, 07:26:29 PM »
MKing: So your modus operandi in dealing with your own fears is DENIAL and LYING and trying to procure security by selling yourself to the highest bidder. As the black folks are want to say, "That's whut I'm talkin about". We know your price is higher than $10.00 per hour by your own admission. So does that make you a $50 per half hour call boy or do you lie with the really high rollers, maybe a $1000.00 a night. Or maybe you merely procure others, as in the international sex trade? It must be that or something like that with plenty of free time on your hands and not needing to display a resume. So what brings you to slumming among people that would scorn your very raison d'etre? Is business bad for you nowadays amidst your great cornucopia of wealth, the rising economy in a land just bubbling over with excess oil? There must be many whoremongers willing to meet your price. In any event, we know that an amoral person such as yourself would never be missing a meal so attached symbiotically to the real paymasters as you are. Karpatok

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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2013, 07:54:17 PM »

I certainly see the fear pimping and whoring meme...notice how after North Korea turned into a bust there is...silence? Heaven forbid someone be honest enough with themselves and everyone else to admit that they screwed the pooch in their prognostication abilities. Oh no! We must wait some short period of time because for certain...something will happen...and then the game of pimping and fear mongering will begin new!!

Drifting abit closer to the thread topic....

I can sorta see your point where NK is concerned.  That particular Kabuki theatre has been going on sixty years since hot war.  Sometimes i think the incidents are arranged in advance, and yes, fears raised, so MIC gets more funding for the area and then NK gets maybe third party "aid" arranged, or some new $100 plates.  China and Russia are unlikely to let NK attack USA, unless they are ready to do so also;  and USA and/or SK is unlikely to attack NK until USA/NATO is willing to take on Russia and China.  This dynamic could change if USA/NATO get really busy in MENA and/or Iran is attacked.

That said, the MENA theatre has a quite different show playing.  Almost constant action of one kind or another.  Coups, arranged revolutions, invasions and actual wars.  Basically a slow motion takeover of the region by the Bankster Empire.  Syria is obviously being destabilized now, and an attack is planned, if what i hear of forces movements is correct. 

Going Forward

If the weapons of mass deception card won't play to justify strikes this time, then some other false flag will, and/or Russia will be paid off.  It might happen next month or next year.  The so-called "Syrian Rebels" (mercenary jihadis and terrorists would be closer) are now beginning to engage Hezbollah in So Lebanon.  Israel needs the missles in Syria and So Lebanon neutralized before it takes on Iran and it is itching to do so.

After that happens, it is hard to guess how this game of Risk plays out.  I don't see Russia or China allowing Iran to fall to the west.  No doubt our genius owners have a plan to deal with that threat   I don't lose any sleep over it, but at that point, there is a real possibility of our fearless leaders miscalculating so everyone loses. 
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2013, 08:34:53 PM »
So excellently said, Snow Leopard, and so gracefully leading the topic back to its thread. Having run out of napalm and ad hominems for the moment, I leave the mercenary questioner to your obviously better informed graces. What to me seems self explanatory obviously is not so to the person given the benefit of the doubt. At any rate, thank you and do carry on.Karpatok

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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2013, 03:22:45 AM »

I am wondering, why does there appear to be a fear meme in any and/or all current events? Why can't current events be the same things they have been for hundreds of years, people doing stuff bad, people killing other people, people fighting, etc etc?

It has been going on since before all of us were born, and will still be going on after we are gone. So what is the point of pimping current events? Myopia? The same kind of ignorance of history as displayed during the nuke hiroshima discussion? Or just a belief that all things are bad, because people are bad, basically the human-hater angle?

Because this is the Doomstead Diner. A placed formed because a collection of like-minded souls have recognized the patterns formed by a constellation of dots formed by event in finance, politics, and current events leading to a new set of circumstances unlike that which has gone before, and for which history is no guide. Because all of our institutions have failed us, and we are essentially on our own. When one's government, one's banks, one's media have  forfeited the right to be believed through a brutal combination of incompetence and criminal misfeasance, what do you believe?

As for history, good luck with that. Readers of this forum will recall you suffered when I adduced the various evidence-- some call them facts, get you some-- of those military men who testified that Fat Man and Little Boy were not necessary to win the war. An epic beatdown, BTW. So don't try to sell a revisionist version of events here. That shit won't fly.

Nor will your obvious attempt to hijack of this thread with more, and to-be-expected ad hom. Don't think we don't notice.

The DD is as far from a "human-hating" place as you will find. What Diners typically hate is lying and BS.

Probably why you feel a chill.
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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2013, 03:36:25 AM »
US State Department Indefinitely Postpones Meeting With Russia On Political Solution To Syrian Crisis
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-26/us-state-department-indefinitely-postpones-meeting-russia-political-solution-syrian-

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/26/2013 23:17 -0400


US-Russian relations are rapidly going from bad to worse to hopeless. As if open public disagreement over Syria expressed in every possible venue and medium, and foreign policy in general was not enough, now the two countries' animosity has spilled over into private diplomatic affairs.

Moments ago, AP reported that the State Department postponed a meeting, which was originally scheduled for August 28, with Russian diplomats on Syria this week to an indefinite future date. The meeting at The Hague was about setting up an international conference to find a political resolution to the Syrian crisis.

A senior State Department official said Monday the meeting between Undersecretary Wendy Sherman and U.S. Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford with their Russian counterparts was postponed because of the ongoing U.S. review about alleged use of chemical weapons in Syria.

More:

The U.S. says it has evidence that chemical weapons very likely were used by the government of Bashar Assad. The U.S. official said the meeting will be rescheduled because a political solution is still needed in Syria.
 
The official was not authorized to publicly confirm the changes and spoke on condition of anonymity.
So is it safe to assume at this point the State Dept is telegraphing far and wide that a "political resolution" has been indefinitely postponed? Or will John Kerry hold one more monologue tomorrow (for which he will be fashionably one hour late) explaining why relations with Russia are at a post-Cold War low?
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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2013, 03:40:31 AM »
What Diners typically hate is lying and BS.

Not to mention Tap Dancing around every direct question ever put to Socrates on the Diner.  He doesn't answer any question directly, he doesn't provide links to material he SAYS he has published, and he pitches out Ad Hom Napalm on a regular basis besides.  So there is simply nothing of substance in all the posts he has ever made here on the Diner, it is all just blatant Trolling.  I know, I am capable of out-Trolling him anytime.  LOL.  Takes one to know one, as they say.  :icon_mrgreen:  Don't fuck with the KING of Trolls, who is ALSO ADMIN.  POWER OF GOD ON A FORUM:icon_mrgreen:

It takes a THIEF to spot a HEIST.

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Re: The Syria Desk
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2013, 03:40:53 AM »
Inspectors In Syria Forbidden From Finding Out WHO Used Chemical Weapons, Only IF They Were Used
Posted on August 27, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/08/inspectors-in-syria-forbidden-from-finding-out-who-used-chemical-weapons-only-if-they-were-used.html

The Fix Is In

The Wall Street Journal reports:

“The [weapons inspection] team must be able to conduct a full, thorough and unimpeded investigation,” said U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Sunday night. However, the team is only mandated to determine if chemical weapons were used, not who used them, Mr. Ban’s spokesman said.

In other words, even if it was the rebels who carried out the attack, it will still be used as an excuse to attack the government.

The fix is in … the U.S. will get the war it planned 20 years ago.
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