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Re: The Syria Desk - "Senator" Al Franken
« Reply #120 on: August 31, 2013, 06:29:43 AM »
I heard "Senator" Al (MF) Franken on Minnesota Public Radio today arguing that Obama has the unilateral right to bomb Syria, without Congress. He's also been on there lately arguing about the necessity of NSA total surveillance. Who needs "big fat idiot" fascist conservatives when you have liberal comics like that? - WHD



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Utterly appalling. If I didn't know better I would think the Mossad had their hand up his ass.

You mean like a sock puppet?  The only thing any of those miserable failure for statesmen have up their ass is money.  They'll say or do anything as long as you deposit the right amount of money up their ass.  Which the money masters do...of course...shove money up their asses.  That's how they stay in power. 

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Re: The Syria Desk - "Senator" Al Franken
« Reply #121 on: August 31, 2013, 07:39:48 AM »
I heard "Senator" Al (MF) Franken on Minnesota Public Radio today arguing that Obama has the unilateral right to bomb Syria, without Congress. He's also been on there lately arguing about the necessity of NSA total surveillance. Who needs "big fat idiot" fascist conservatives when you have liberal comics like that? - WHD



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Utterly appalling. If I didn't know better I would think the Mossad had their hand up his ass.

You mean like a sock puppet?  The only thing any of those miserable failure for statesmen have up their ass is money.  They'll say or do anything as long as you deposit the right amount of money up their ass.  Which the money masters do...of course...shove money up their asses.  That's how they stay in power.

Precisely.

If this and, say Dianne Feinstein represent what so-called "liberals" look like in the FSA, language, like politics, has lost its meaning.

As I have said to GO, it's all one party anyhow, and you ain't in it. I think George Carlin was the first to observe that. And he's still right.
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Re: The Syria Desk - "Senator" Al Franken
« Reply #122 on: August 31, 2013, 07:44:58 AM »
I heard "Senator" Al (MF) Franken on Minnesota Public Radio today arguing that Obama has the unilateral right to bomb Syria, without Congress. He's also been on there lately arguing about the necessity of NSA total surveillance. Who needs "big fat idiot" fascist conservatives when you have liberal comics like that? - WHD



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Utterly appalling. If I didn't know better I would think the Mossad had their hand up his ass.

You mean like a sock puppet?  The only thing any of those miserable failure for statesmen have up their ass is money.  They'll say or do anything as long as you deposit the right amount of money up their ass.  Which the money masters do...of course...shove money up their asses.  That's how they stay in power.

Precisely.

If this and, say Dianne Feinstein represent what so-called "liberals" look like in the FSA, language, like politics, has lost its meaning.

As I have said to GO, it's all one party anyhow, and you ain't in it. I think George Carlin was the first to observe that. And he's still right.

yeah, Carlin said "it's a club, and you ain't in it...it's the same club they use to beat you on the head with...."

something like that.  I'd put the youtube vid of him doing that bit but I can't seem to figure out how to post youtube videos to the Diner since the change over. 

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Re: The Syria Desk
« Reply #123 on: August 31, 2013, 08:01:46 AM »
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something like that.  I'd put the youtube vid of him doing that bit but I can't seem to figure out how to post youtube videos to the Diner since the change over. 

Right click on vid, copy embed code, paste in comment box, highlight, click embed icon. I typically resize diner embed code to 660/449, and center.

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Re: The Syria Desk
« Reply #124 on: August 31, 2013, 08:26:17 AM »
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something like that.  I'd put the youtube vid of him doing that bit but I can't seem to figure out how to post youtube videos to the Diner since the change over. 

Right click on vid, copy embed code, paste in comment box, highlight, click embed icon. I typically resize diner embed code to 660/449, and center.

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Re: The Syria Desk
« Reply #125 on: August 31, 2013, 08:27:14 AM »
thanks William  ;)

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Re: The Syria Desk
« Reply #126 on: August 31, 2013, 07:32:59 PM »
Newsflash:

Current Republicrat in White House gains new title of Chief Waffler. No surprise to the cynical, lemmings confused by apparent change in useless saber rattling rhetoric.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/31/20273128-the-white-house-walk-and-talk-that-changed-obamas-mind-on-syria?lite

WTF are you talking about :icon_scratch:

"saber rattling rhetoric"...what are you plugged into homey?  A civil war reenactment of Greeks philosophizing? 

I mean...a saber?  What exactly does a saber have to do with anything these days other than MSM bullshit?   

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« Reply #127 on: August 31, 2013, 08:52:52 PM »
H/T Zero Hedge.


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Syria: Ambrose Flaunts his Illuminati Pedigree!
« Reply #128 on: August 31, 2013, 09:36:33 PM »
This says it all about Ambrose:

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I have been following this debate with a keen interest because my father, E E Evans-Pritchard – an Arabic speaker, and captain in the Eighth Army – wrote the original intelligence report on the Alawite region of Syria in 1942, while planning for a post-war settlement. I am told that this included a classified profile of the Assad family, already seen as future leaders.

You see how at the end off WWII the "Leadership" of these countries was chosen by the colonial powers, Victors in this War for Resources.

Ambrose now sees it as our "responsibility" to take care of our Syrian Children.  I am Heaving the Technicolor Yawn here.


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Now we must deliver on our duty of care to the Syrian people as best we can.

I do not see what we are DELIVERING as CARE here.  JMHO.



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Syria: David Cameron's fairly honourable defeat

The question of who murdered 1,430 civilians remains but, crucially, so too does our faith in the power of democracy



Iron grip: Syria's late President al-Assad with his sons Bassel and Bashar  Photo: Alamy

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

8:34PM BST 30 Aug 2013

Thursday was, above all, a momentous day for British democracy. The era of presidential rule is over. Parliament has reclaimed the powers chipped away by successive prime ministers, most notably Tony Blair.

It has even snatched some it never had, beyond control of the purse. There can now be no going to war on executive authority alone, or by royal prerogative. Britain’s living constitution was re-fashioned before our eyes, in eight hours of exhilarating debate. Much of the world’s political class watched events unfold, riveted by the clash of moral argument. Has anything quite like it been seen since the Bulgarian Atrocities of 1876, when Gladstone turned the slaughter of civilians in a faraway country into the central issue of British politics?

Whether David Cameron is down, or Ed Miliband is up, is essentially trivial. The Government handled the crisis badly, of course – no doubt pressured into premature action by Washington for reasons of military imperative. Yes, Assad is dispersing his targets. Every day counts. But this is the Schlieffen Plan reflex: you cannot let railway timetables dictate great-power diplomacy.

In retrospect, it was foolish even to think of pre-empting the UN weapons inspectors, given what happened in the “poisoned well” of Iraq. They will determine exactly what chemicals were used. That is part of building a case: given that a senior UN official, Carla Del Ponte, suggested in March that the rebels might well have used sarin gas, one might reasonably hesitate until we know a great deal more than we know now.

Many of us had been through this before. Personally, I was assured by Jack Straw, then Foreign Secretary, at a Nato summit in Brussels just before the invasion of Iraq that the Government had the intelligence on Saddam Hussein’s WMD. “Just trust me, we have the proof but can’t reveal sources,” he said to four of us, all British journalists. We did indeed trust him, and bitter we are too, snake-bitten for ever.

Yet the reality remains that somebody killed at least 1,429 people in Damascus with chemical weapons, including at least 426 children. And the preponderance of evidence points one way. Will we let this stand?

The Joint Intelligence Committee almost certainly “sexed down” the dossier this time, bending over backwards to be as banal as possible – but also because almost nobody in the upper echelons of the British security services and Armed Forces thinks that a fusillade of Tomahawk missiles makes much sense, if any. It is jejune to send “messages” in such a fashion. As one Labour MP put it, in warfare you are either “in or out”.

I have been following this debate with a keen interest because my father, E E Evans-Pritchard – an Arabic speaker, and captain in the Eighth Army – wrote the original intelligence report on the Alawite region of Syria in 1942, while planning for a post-war settlement. I am told that this included a classified profile of the Assad family, already seen as future leaders.

There were very good reasons why the French and the British chose to rebuild Syria the way they did, searching for a formula that could hold together a mosaic of Orthodox Christians, Assyrian Chaldean Christians, Melkite Catholics, Alawites, Jews, Sunnis, Shiites and Druze. Mess with that at your peril.

In terms of the broader context, it is now said that Britain’s “Special Relationship” with the US is in ruins. Such claims are overly melodramatic. Much the same divisions exist internally within Congress, and within US public opinion. There will be a great many Americans who sympathise with the House of Commons, and who want their own restraining debate. Indeed, many Congressmen have called for such a hearing.

Ultimately, President Barack Obama is rushing into half-baked action for the wrong reason, because he offered a hostage to fortune a year ago by declaring the use of chemical weapons against civilians to be his red line. He is now preparing to go to war – for war it is – to uphold his own credibility. This is not a proper foundation for great power policy. Palmerston got away with it, but he chose his incidents more shrewdly. In the words of Zbigniew Brzezinski, the former US National Security Advisor, if Mr Obama has coherent policy on Syria, “it is a well-kept secret”.

The result is a colossal mess, which can only end badly whatever happens. If the US acts, it will stir up a hornets’ nest without solving anything. And what happens if Assad survives the missile strike unscathed and then uses chemical weapons a second time? Retreat at this late stage would be seen as abdication, risking a free-for-all across the region. Yet I think this is the lesser danger.

What Washington and London should have done was to build a moral and strategic case methodically, brick by brick. They should have exhausted the UN channels before uttering a single word about missiles, pushing first for a vote that placed Vladimir Putin on the record as the defender of chemical-weapons atrocities.

America should have used its diplomatic power to put China on the spot, forced to choose whether it wished to be in the same camp as the pariah Putin, or one step safely removed. Mr Obama should have held Russia’s feet ever closer to the fire, refusing to attend the G20 in St Petersburg, flicking the “reset button” back off again, tightening a cordon sanitaire of Cold War isolation.

Let us not forget which is the superpower, and which is the basket case. For all the talk of American decline, the reality is that the US is storming back – soon to overtake Saudi Arabia as the world’s biggest oil producer, and likely to retain its economic dominance over China for at least another half-century – while Russia faces demographic collapse, a victim of gross misgovernment, hobbled by the resource curse of oil wealth.

It may seem cynical to say that treating this crisis as a management task, conducted by calibrated diplomacy and soft power, will do more for Syrian civilians in the end than spasms of media-friendly emotion. Unfortunately, the cynics are often right.

My hope is that David Cameron will come out of this episode less damaged than is currently assumed. His behaviour has been civilised – even altruistic to a fault. He bent over backwards to secure consent. He gave Parliament the last say. There is no shame in honourable defeat, for an honourable cause.

As for Ed Miliband, the Labour Party was right to demand delay – but we are left with the deep suspicion that he played party politics, luring the Prime Minister into a snare. You do not do that in the great power league, or in the face of atrocities.

For Parliament, it has been a week of triumph. The House of Commons has prevented a historic blunder. It is asserting almost Cromwellian ascendancy; let us hope it keeps hold of this power in the face of Europe’s encroachments. In the end, the will of the people has prevailed. Now we must deliver on our duty of care to the Syrian people as best we can.
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Re: The Syria Desk
« Reply #129 on: September 01, 2013, 04:39:01 AM »
It is a victory for all of us that Obama now has to fade into the fetid swamp of idiocy that is Congress. I hope for some P-Tardy obstruction on this.

Let the idiocy begin:

 http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/america-tonight-blog/2013/8/31/in-congress-someuniqueviewsonsyria.html

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Re: The Syria Desk
« Reply #130 on: September 01, 2013, 07:04:58 AM »
It is a victory for all of us that Obama now has to fade into the fetid swamp of idiocy that is Congress. I hope for some P-Tardy obstruction on this.

Let the idiocy begin:

 http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/america-tonight-blog/2013/8/31/in-congress-someuniqueviewsonsyria.html

JP,

Leave it up to Louie Gohmert to state the unfckngbelievable. I think he knows exactly what a gomer he is and is taking it out on the world. LOL.

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“'Yes, we knew that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction,' Gohmert said on Washington Watch, citing Saddam Hussein’s 1988 gas attack against Kurds in Halabja. 'There were rumors about them moving over into Syria and other countries but they never were able to verify where they went but we knew he had them. So anyway, there was talk about nuclear arms, but we knew he had those and now we know Syria has them.'”

Thanks for the link. I can already tell Al Jazerra will be a daily check-in for me on my Internet rounds. Very professional, neat and trim. The other major networks including googly yah-ho and msn are for the matrix dwellers, who want to be told what to think and how.

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Re: The Syria Desk
« Reply #131 on: September 01, 2013, 07:24:08 AM »
Newsflash:

Current Republicrat in White House gains new title of Chief Waffler. No surprise to the cynical, lemmings confused by apparent change in useless saber rattling rhetoric.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/31/20273128-the-white-house-walk-and-talk-that-changed-obamas-mind-on-syria?lite

eMking,

Based on your 'chief waffler' and 'useless saber rattling', and your past rhetoric, can we assume you would have dropped a nuclear weapon on Damascus a long time ago, occupying Syria as we speak with an invasion force crossing the border into Iran?

Hint - literary license is for those around here who have a heart.

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I mean...a saber?  What exactly does a saber have to do with anything these days other than MSM bullshit?

Literary license receives no notice among the intellectually confused. MSM bullshit? You mean, what Surly1 falls for every time he pimps one of the MSM current events episodes into something to distract from non-collapse? Please....



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Re: The Syria Desk
« Reply #132 on: September 01, 2013, 08:38:59 AM »
“'Yes, we knew that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction,' Gohmert said on Washington Watch....
because the Germans sold him WMD when he was at war with Iran, he failed to mention.
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Re: The Syria Desk
« Reply #133 on: September 01, 2013, 08:59:42 AM »

eMking,

Based on your 'chief waffler' and 'useless saber rattling', and your past rhetoric, can we assume you would have dropped a nuclear weapon on Damascus a long time ago, occupying Syria as we speak with an invasion force crossing the border into Iran?

Of course not. I was merely noting that those who speak with forked tongue get what they deserve, credibility wise. It strikes me that even the modern world of RE "everyone cares about me driving my SUV to McDonalds because it is me doing it and therefore special" saying what you mean, and following through with it, has value.

Our current Republicrat President, lacking experience commiserate with his age in business, politics, or much of anything really, does not have these basic precepts figured out apparently. Unfortunate for him. And us.

Mking,

Well then, presuming you have the commiserate experience in business, politics and most everything apparently, the only one here apparently who doesn't speak with a forked tongue, please enlighten us as to the basic precepts of a proper Middle East foreign policy?

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Re: The Syria Desk
« Reply #134 on: September 01, 2013, 10:18:42 AM »

Mking,

Well then, presuming you have the commiserate experience in business, politics and most everything apparently, the only one here apparently who doesn't speak with a forked tongue, please enlighten us as to the basic precepts of a proper Middle East foreign policy?

WHD

My experience is primarily technical and relates to project management. I am also wise beyond my years.  8)

So of course I have an opinion based upon that experience.  :icon_study:

Speak softly, and carry a big stick.

i.e. couch the language of regime change and imperialism in the language of the humanitarian? How again would your big stick relate to the Middle East, oh soft speaking man of wisdom beyond your years?

 

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