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Re: Fukushima Clusterfuck Continues
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2013, 03:47:58 AM »
Thyroid Cancers Surge Among Fukushima Youths
 
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Re: Fukushima Clusterfuck Continues
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2013, 01:01:33 PM »




God is not mocked, whatsoever man sows, so shall he reap.

The wages of sin are death.


It seems Genesis is a prophetic, symbolic document, not a literal one. The APPLE WAS the ATOM. We bit down hard, SPLIT IT, and ATE IT and NOW the HUMAN SPECIES WILL DIE unless a miracle occurs.

 
           


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Criticality Likely at Fukushima #3
« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2013, 06:26:58 PM »
Ruh-roh.

H/T to UF on NBL.

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** NEWS FLASH -- URGENT ** STEAM SUDDENLY EMANATING FROM FUKUSHIMA REACTOR # 3 - WEST COAST OF NORTH AMERICA SHOULD BEGIN PREPARATIONS FOR POSSIBLE RADIATION CLOUD WITHIN 3 TO 5 DAYS    Print   
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NEWS FLASH - URGENT - December 28, 2013  11:00 PM EST -- (TRN http://www.TurnerRadioNetwork.com ) -- Persons residing on  the west coast of North America should IMMEDIATELY begin preparing for another possible onslaught of dangerous atmospheric radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster site in Japan.  The Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) says radioactive steam has suddenly begun emanating from previously exploded nuclear reactor building #3 at the Fukuishima disaster site in Japan. TEPCO says they do not know why this is happening and cannot go into the building to see what's happening due to damage and lethal radiation levels in that building. Experts say this could be the beginning of  a "spent fuel pool criticality (meltdown)" involving up to 89 TONS of nuclear fuel burning up into the atmosphere and heading to North America. Steam photo, full details and suggested methods to protect yourself appear below.

On December 28, 2013, the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO)  admitted steam was seen billowing out of reactor building #3, saying the steam appeared to be coming from what's left of the fifth floor of the mostly-destroyed building.  It is widely known that persons cannot get inside Reactor Building #3 because it is severely damaged and highly radioactive, so TEPCO cannot state for certain what is happening in that building or why. TEPCO admits they do not know why this steam is being generated, but matter-of-factly revealed today (December 28)  the steam was first spotted on December 19 for a short period of time, then again on December 24 and again on December 25.

 


Nuclear energy experts have told TRN that the ONLY way this could be happening is if radioactive material previously ejected from the reactor explosion in March, 2011 has mixed together with other materials and has begun its own self-sustaining reaction(s), also known as a "criticality."  Put simply, another "meltdown" may be taking place.

 

 

 

There are basically two possibilities if another meltdown is in progress:

1) Pellets of radioactive fuel, ejected when the reactor exploded, have mixed together and "mini" meltdowns are taking place with those small clumps of pellets.  This would not be a horrific problem and may be manageable, OR;

2) Pellets of radioactive fuel, ejected when the reactor exploded, went into the spent fuel pool located above the reactor and have begun melting down so seriously they are boiling off the water in the spent fuel pool.

 

Since steam is visible, experts tell TRN that Scenario #2 above is is the most likely scenario and if so,  it would be an absolute nightmare -- WORSE than the original Fukushima disaster!  The Spent Fuel Pool was situated on the fourth floor above Reactor #3, and if this is the source of the steam, the situation could escalate rapidly out of control.

 

 

The As shown in the diagram at left, the spent fuel  pool  is not a contained structure; it is literally a "pool" filled with water, to keep old fuel cool. (The metal radioactive fuel, once removed from a nuclear reactor, remains hot enough to melt itself for two to three YEARS after being removed from a reactor.)  The experts tell TRN that if steam is coming out of reactor building #3 this could very well be the start of a much worse radiation release because once the spent fuel pool begins its own reactions, all of it will be uncontrolled and uncontrollable.

 

 

 

 

To provide insight into how much trouble this could be, the chart below proves that, according to TEPCO, reactor #3 was loaded with 566 fuel assemblies.  The spent fuel pool in reactor building #3 contains 514 assemblies; about 89 TONS.  If that "goes critical" there's nothing to contain the radiation which will go directly into the air.

 

 

 

The video below was taken several months ago by TEPCO. It shows that the roof is totally blown off reactor building # 3 and shows a robotic crane being operated by remote control, trying to clear debris from the Reactor # 3 spent fuel pool.  TEPCO is forced use robotic cranes operated by remote control because the area is so contaminated, anyone entering the area would die from radiation within one hour.

 

 

Imagine, now, 89 tons of nuclear fuel boiling away that spent fuel pool water and releasing 89 tons of deadly radioactive fuel directly into the air.  Two to three days later, the west coast of north America would be "fried" by levels of airborne radiation and "hot particles" which could kill.

 

PREPARATIONS YOU SHOULD CONSIDER  ( We do **** NOT **** sell any of the products suggested below )

 

1) Keep up-to-date on developments via the Internet. The mass-media is not reliable because like the government, they want to avoid any mass panic.  While that is a noble goal, withholding information as was done previously when the Fukushima disaster struck in March, 2011, allowed people to get exposed to radiation which could kill them now - or years from now.  TRN believes people have a right to know, so as to make an informed decisions about whether to protect themselves or not.

 

2) Go immediately (RIGHT NOW) to your local home improvement or hardware store for rolls of plastic, Duct tape, WIDE masking tape and  a couple rolls of self-adhesive weather stripping. You want to have a roll or two of the type of plastic that is used by painters; (the kind they use to cover your floor and furniture in case paint drips) and a roll or two of Duct tape.  Don't deploy this yet, but if the radiation arrives, you'll HAVE what you need and won't be battling a million other people trying to get some when the danger actually hits.  You can use the plastic and duct tape things to cover the insides of your windows, doors, AC electric plugs, light switches, bathroom exhaust vents, stove exhaust vents, -- even ceiling vents, to TRY to keep out radiation particles once you know they're arriving.  (NOTE: this may not be 100% effective.  Houses have loads of nooks and crannies which allow air from the outside to get inside.  If you cover the largest ones, you're at least giving yourself and family a fighting chance.)  These supplies are available immediately at: Home Depot Lowes Walmart TrueValue Ace Hardware and many other retail stores.

 

3) If radiation is identified as heading toward your area or has arrived in your area:

a) Cut sheets from the roll of plastic, large enough to cover your windows, window frames/woodwork, sliding glass doors, doggie doors, etc., and do so on the INSIDE of your house.  Once the sheets are cut to size, secure that plastic to your inside walls using Duct tape.  You want to cover things inside not outside so the weather doesn't cause the plastic to make noise or perhaps rip off during high wind, rain or snow. The duct tape should cover 100% of the edge of the plastic, making a good seal AROUND the window, sliding glass doors, doggie doors, etc.  It is important to note that the plastic should go AROUND the woodwork on the inside the window/door and NOT merely around the inner perimeter of the window itself.  Gaps between the window assemblies and exterior walls might not be air-tight; especially in older homes where the silicone weather sealant around windows/doors is worn or in earthquake prone areas where the shaking has loosened-up window/door seals.  This will help seal out radiation particles in the air so they shouldn't be able to get inside your home.  Those of you in private homes should do this sealing on EVERY opening to the outside (doors, windows, vents) on every floor of your home, from the basement to the attic.  Those of you who do not have basements, will usually find vents along the slab foundation which are designed to naturally ventilate under the house.  SEAL THESE from the outside as best you can.  Similarly, those of you without full attics, will usually see vents of some type for the roof rafter area. SEAL THESE as best you can too. (PLEASE don't fall off any roof or off any ladder. Be careful!)

 

b) Cut smaller sheets from the roll of plastic to cover electrical outlets and  light switches inside the house. Those outlets and switches are breaks in the walls to the inner structure of the house.  The inner structure gets naturally ventilated under the eaves and awnings of the house.  While the air flow is not generally a lot, it IS there;  you want to seal it out.  As with the windows, use Duct tape to hold the plastic a full inch or two around the entire perimeter of the light switch our electrical outlets.

 

c) Cut sheets from the roll of plastic to cover vents: Bathrooms, stoves. Remember, this is just a TEMPORARY situation and the radiation will usually blow-over or dilute within a week or so.  While none of us likes the smell in the bathroom after it is used, it's better to put up with that for a few days than have radiation in there from the vents.  BE VERY CAREFUL IF YOU CHOOSE TO COVER A STOVE EXHAUST VENT; YOU DON'T WANT THE PLASTIC GOING ON FIRE IF YOU'RE COOKING.

 

d) DO NOT use duct tape or plastic over your main entry/exit door. If, God forbid, there's a fire, you want to be able to exit fast and not be battling duct tape to get out.  Instead, maybe check to see the weatherstripping around the door is in good shape or at worst, add a layer of new weatherstripping to what's already there.  The bottom of the door sill can be covered with a rolled-up towel if necessary,to prevent drafts at the bottom of the door.

 

NOTE: Duct tape, when removed, may damage the surface of the wall it was stuck to.  It may peel off paint or even the paper covering of Sheetrock when you remove it.  If this is a concern, you may wish to utilize WIDE masking tape instead.  We do not recommend masking tape, but it may be viable if you are concerned about peeling off the duct tape when the emergency is ended.


4)  Get a minimum "NIOSH N100-certified" filter mask for yourself and each member of your family. NIOSH stands for National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) which is an agency of the US Government.  They rate protective gear for various industries and the lowest possible level of mask with any hope at all of filtering out radiation particles must be rated by NIOSH as N100.   The masks cost about $30 on Ebay and look like the one in the image at left below.

 

SERIOUS NOTE: There are TIME CONSTRAINTS on the use of the N100-rated mask in a hostile environment.  Having such a mask is not a license to go out and have fun.  It is a limited mask, with limited capability for a limited time period, to help protect you in this type of emergency.

 

Of course, you can go all-out and get some super-mask for several hundred dollars, but the minimum you need is an N100 rated mask.

 

Whatever you do, don't try to get "cute" and figure you can "get away with" a mask that is rated N95 or lower.  An N95 mask will NOT filter out the tiny particles involved here and you will be fooling yourself if you buy any mask rated less than N100.

 

It is important to understand that a "hospital mask" normally used by Doctors, WILL NOT PROTECT YOU AT ALL from radioactive particles.  The particles are so small, they can fit right through a typical surgical mask used by doctors.  If you breathe-in any "hot Particles" of radiation, they will wreak havoc on your lungs and cause very rapid deterioration of your health. Cancers, Leukemias, Hemorrhaging . . . . you get the idea.

 

 

5) About your job and going to work during a radiation emergency . . . .

Those of us with jobs can't simply call-in and tell the boss we can' come to work today because we're afraid of the radiation. So start discussing this situation with your bosses first thing TODAY. See if the company as a whole is willing to develop some type of strategy to deal with taking time off due to a radioactive plume coming onto the west coast of north America from Japan, making things unsafe for a few days.  Start the conversation.  Don't wait until things spiral out of control and people are panicking.

 

6) If you HAVE to go out, clothing will get contaminated; be prepared to protect yourself

Wear an NIOSH N100 mask at all times when you are outside your house during the plume's arrival and presence.  Yes, you're probably going to feel like a jerk; especially when the uninformed, the ignorant and those "in denial" about the real danger, start poking fun at you.  Just remember you'll have the last laugh.

 

A VERY helpful tool for this situation is a disposable TYVEK suit and booties.  You can get them at most home improvement stores and on EBAY for about $8. Tyvek coveralls are one-piece garments, usually white, commonly worn by mechanics, painters, installation installers, and laboratory and cleanroom workers where a disposable, one-time use coverall is needed.   They are also used for some light HAZMAT applications, such as asbestos and radiation work but do not provide the protection of a full hazmat suit.  Wear it to work, when you get inside, take it off right at the doorway and throw it away in a garbage can near the door.  It's done. Don't touch it again. Then go wash your hands and face to wash away whatever may have accumulated on them.  These suits are also available at the retailers listed above (Home Depot, Lowes, etc.).

 

If you simply refuse to walk outside dressed-up like a Bunny, you must realize that Clothing worn while you are outside will have contamination on it.  This is unavoidable. Once you've been outside and enter your job, remove your outerwear and place it as close to the door as you can. You may want to pack a change of clothing in a tightly closed gym bag, to change-into at work. Having a change of clothes for when you get to work might not be a bad idea.  The change of clothes ought to include FOOTWEAR.

 

When you're outside, your footwear is going to be picking up the contamination that fell onto the ground. This is unavoidable.  What you CAN do, is take those shoes off once you get where you're going, and thereby not track the radiation into wherever you are.  You may want to get "Disposable Plastic Shoe Covers" to help avoid at least SOME of the radiation getting onto your shoes.  These shoe covers are cheap, and you throw them away as soon as you get inside your destination.

 

For Eye protection, we suggest a cheap pair of Swimmer's Goggles.  They vary in cost from 99 cents to about $10 on Ebay - or your local sporting goods store. The purpose of this is to prevent radioactive particles from landing on your eyeballs.  Swimmer's goggles will fit the bill pretty well and you can wash them off once you get to where  you're going, and use the goggles again the next time you go out.  Radiation washes off with soap and water.

 

7) IN AND OUT OF YOUR HOUSE

The same procedures listed above for going to and from work, should be used by you and your family when going to/from home.  After all, you don't want to bring radiation into your house on your clothes, shoes etc, or walk-it-through the whole house once you arrive.  Put a coat rack just-inside the entry door.  Put a shoe rack too.  First thing everyone does when they walk in the door - ditch the outerwear and shoes right then and there.  YOU DO NOT want to be tracking radiation into and all over your house, then spewing it up into the air when you vacuum and it comes out with the vacuum exhaust air.  You want to stop the radiation as close to the door as you can.  If you prefer, put a clothes hamper -- LINED WITH A PLASTIC LAWN-AND-LEAF-SIZE BAG just inside the front door and change your clothes the moment you get in.  When the hamper is full, seal-up the bag, take it to the washer and wash the radiation away.

 

8) Wash obsessively during the emergency

External radioactive material washes off with soap and water.  When you consider that everything you touch and all the air that touches you OUTSIDE can be contaminated, it is important to WASH exposed body parts (face & hands) with soap and water often.  When you get home from your daily routine and get out of potentially contaminated clothing, take a shower before anything else.  A SHOWER, NOT A BATH.  Showering will allow the radiation to fall off you and go down the drain whereas a bath could possible allow the radioactive materials to cling to your body as you leave the bathwater.   Sadly, this brings us to one, final, MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR problem: Water comes from reservoirs and reservoirs are out in the open; radiation has and will continue to fall into our water supplies.


LOCAL OFFICIALS CAUGHT DELIBERATELY CONCEALING RADIATION IN DRINKING WATER


The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) lists the maximum safe levels and government-approved methods for removing, radiation in water.  Yet according to KHOU-TV in Texas, local and state officials in that state deliberately conspired for YEARS to alter the results from their municipal water tests, to deliberately CONCEAL high levels of radiation in municipal water!  If local and state officials in one state have already been caught deliberately concealing radiation in water, can any rational person believe they aren't doing it now in other states -- or won't do it (again) in the future? You can read that story and watch the KHOU-TV news video HERE.

 

In fact, KHOU-TV found that the radiation in local water was so severe, that it made the underground water pipes and the water heaters inside homes radioactive;  in some cases 11 times more radioactive than allowable by law!  The pipes and water heaters were so radioactive that none of those things could be scrapped in a junk yard!  You can read this separate KHOU-TV story and watch the video HERE.

 

Given the irrefutable proof above we suggest equipping your sinks and shower head(s) with a water filter.  Now, getting radiation out of water is NOT simple.  Paper filters do nothing in that regard.

 

Granular Activated Carbon filters have shown SOME ability to remove SOME types of radiation.  Reverse-Osmosis has shown good ability to remove other types of radiation.  ION Exhange is the final method which has shown good ability to remove radiation.  Yet getting all these types of filters in ONE system is not easy and it is considerably expensive.  As such, we suggest that having a filter of some type is better than having no filter at all.  Of course, once the filters become saturated with pollutants, they're useless, so expect to change-out those filters PRECISELY in accordance with the manufacturer's recommendation or even more frequently.  Yes, this will cost a few bucks, but this is an extraordinary situation calling for extraordinary response.  What good is all the safety you exercise with the steps above, if you then eat, drink and bathe-in contaminated water?

 

The suggestions above are just that SUGGESTIONS.  What you choose to do - or not do - is, of course, up to you. One thing is clear, though: Fukushima is acting up again and when it does, the wind and, later, the sea will carry the results to North America within days.

 

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Re: Fukushima Clusterfuck Continues _ ENE on Reactor 3
« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2013, 07:09:26 PM »


    
Published: December 28th, 2013 at 8:47 pm ET
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Tepco (translation), Dec. 27, 2013: At around 7:00 am on December 27, and confirmed by the camera that from Unit 3 reactor building, 5th floor near the center, steam is generated. Have not been identified abnormal plant conditions of 54 minutes at 7:00 am the same day, the indicated value of the monitoring post (meteorological data of 50 minutes at 7:00 am, 5.1 ℃ temperature, 93.1% humidity).

SOURCE: Tepco (July 24, 2013)

Tepco (translation), Dec. 25, 2013: At around 7:00 am on December 25, and confirmed by the camera that from Unit 3 reactor building, 5th floor near the center, steam is generated. Have not been identified abnormal plant conditions of 8:00 am the same day time, the indicated value of the monitoring post (meteorological data of 50 minutes at 7:00 am, 2.8 ℃ temperature, 76.7% humidity).

Tepco (translation), Dec. 24, 2013: At around 7:00 am on December 19, and confirmed by the camera that from Unit 3 reactor building, 5th floor near the center, steam is generated. Have not been identified abnormal plant conditions of 55 minutes at 7:00 am the same day, the indicated value of the monitoring post (meteorological data of 40 minutes at 7:00 am, 5.6 ℃ temperature, 93.7% humidity). Then, in 58 minutes around 7:00 am December 24, steam is no longer observed. It should be noted, have not been identified abnormal plant conditions in a 3-minute time at 8:00 am the same day, the indicated value monitoring posts, etc. (meteorological data of 50 minutes at 7:00 am, 4.1 ℃ temperature, 74.9% humidity).

3 months ago: Steam observed 5 of previous 6 days at Fukushima Unit 3; Lasted for 24 hours straight at one point -- Nuclear Expert: There could be pockets of corium still in molten state; Nobody quite understands what’s going on (AUDIO)
   
Published: December 28th, 2013 at 8:47 pm ET
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Re: Fukushima Clusterfuck Continues
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2013, 03:32:59 PM »
question is, if there was a radiation cloud gettin' ready to hit the west coast of the US would the authorities alert the public?  I mean would it just be a radiation cloud and nothin' from nobody? 

My mother lives in SoCal.  How the fuck am I supposed to know to tell her when to wear a tyvek suit and NIOSH 100 mask to work?  Or when to tape up the inside of the house with plastic and duct tape? 

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Re: Fukushima Clusterfuck Continues
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2013, 03:52:30 PM »
question is, if there was a radiation cloud gettin' ready to hit the west coast of the US would the authorities alert the public?  I mean would it just be a radiation cloud and nothin' from nobody? 

My mother lives in SoCal.  How the fuck am I supposed to know to tell her when to wear a tyvek suit and NIOSH 100 mask to work?  Or when to tape up the inside of the house with plastic and duct tape?

Was on the EPA website yesterday. Talk about a clusterfuck. They stopped any special testing for Fuk-u radiation in June 2011. They still test regular, but they won't know until it hits Hawaii, and if it doesn't hit there, not until it hits the coast. The language they use on that site about Fuk-u, is like a teacher who thinks adults are kids who can't handle the truth. 

In other words, if the Japanese and TEPCO don't say there's a melt down, the EPA won't know until it's here. But some, like Steve of Virginia, think there is uncontrolled fission going on right now. Huffpost posted their first article on Fuk-u today in more than a month. But it wasn't about the steam coming out of reactor #3, it was about what the rest of us have known for months, that the Jap Mob is running part of the clean up. The article was otherwise BS, like the thing is otherwise under control.

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Re: Fukushima Clusterfuck Continues
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2013, 05:07:25 PM »
question is, if there was a radiation cloud gettin' ready to hit the west coast of the US would the authorities alert the public?  I mean would it just be a radiation cloud and nothin' from nobody? 

My mother lives in SoCal.  How the fuck am I supposed to know to tell her when to wear a tyvek suit and NIOSH 100 mask to work?  Or when to tape up the inside of the house with plastic and duct tape?

Was on the EPA website yesterday. Talk about a clusterfuck. They stopped any special testing for Fuk-u radiation in June 2011. They still test regular, but they won't know until it hits Hawaii, and if it doesn't hit there, not until it hits the coast. The language they use on that site about Fuk-u, is like a teacher who thinks adults are kids who can't handle the truth. 

In other words, if the Japanese and TEPCO don't say there's a melt down, the EPA won't know until it's here. But some, like Steve of Virginia, think there is uncontrolled fission going on right now. Huffpost posted their first article on Fuk-u today in more than a month. But it wasn't about the steam coming out of reactor #3, it was about what the rest of us have known for months, that the Jap Mob is running part of the clean up. The article was otherwise BS, like the thing is otherwise under control.

WHD

So in your obviously informed opinion, William, you believe I should call my mother right now and convince her to buy painter's plastic, duct tape, a tyvek suit, a NIOSH N100 mask, and Potassium Iodate pills? 

What about the East Coast? 

I guess it wouldn't be a bad idea to procure all of those items for my family here in SC. 

What do you think? 

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Re: Fukushima Clusterfuck Continues
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2013, 06:12:58 PM »
question is, if there was a radiation cloud gettin' ready to hit the west coast of the US would the authorities alert the public?  I mean would it just be a radiation cloud and nothin' from nobody? 

My mother lives in SoCal.  How the fuck am I supposed to know to tell her when to wear a tyvek suit and NIOSH 100 mask to work?  Or when to tape up the inside of the house with plastic and duct tape?

Was on the EPA website yesterday. Talk about a clusterfuck. They stopped any special testing for Fuk-u radiation in June 2011. They still test regular, but they won't know until it hits Hawaii, and if it doesn't hit there, not until it hits the coast. The language they use on that site about Fuk-u, is like a teacher who thinks adults are kids who can't handle the truth. 

In other words, if the Japanese and TEPCO don't say there's a melt down, the EPA won't know until it's here. But some, like Steve of Virginia, think there is uncontrolled fission going on right now. Huffpost posted their first article on Fuk-u today in more than a month. But it wasn't about the steam coming out of reactor #3, it was about what the rest of us have known for months, that the Jap Mob is running part of the clean up. The article was otherwise BS, like the thing is otherwise under control.

WHD

So in your obviously informed opinion, William, you believe I should call my mother right now and convince her to buy painter's plastic, duct tape, a tyvek suit, a NIOSH N100 mask, and Potassium Iodate pills? 

What about the East Coast? 

I guess it wouldn't be a bad idea to procure all of those items for my family here in SC. 

What do you think?

I think I have 2 nuclear facilities 35 miles away, on either side. I'm buying.

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Re: Fukushima Clusterfuck Continues
« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2013, 06:57:46 PM »
question is, if there was a radiation cloud gettin' ready to hit the west coast of the US would the authorities alert the public?  I mean would it just be a radiation cloud and nothin' from nobody? 

My mother lives in SoCal.  How the fuck am I supposed to know to tell her when to wear a tyvek suit and NIOSH 100 mask to work?  Or when to tape up the inside of the house with plastic and duct tape?

Was on the EPA website yesterday. Talk about a clusterfuck. They stopped any special testing for Fuk-u radiation in June 2011. They still test regular, but they won't know until it hits Hawaii, and if it doesn't hit there, not until it hits the coast. The language they use on that site about Fuk-u, is like a teacher who thinks adults are kids who can't handle the truth. 

In other words, if the Japanese and TEPCO don't say there's a melt down, the EPA won't know until it's here. But some, like Steve of Virginia, think there is uncontrolled fission going on right now. Huffpost posted their first article on Fuk-u today in more than a month. But it wasn't about the steam coming out of reactor #3, it was about what the rest of us have known for months, that the Jap Mob is running part of the clean up. The article was otherwise BS, like the thing is otherwise under control.

WHD

So in your obviously informed opinion, William, you believe I should call my mother right now and convince her to buy painter's plastic, duct tape, a tyvek suit, a NIOSH N100 mask, and Potassium Iodate pills? 

What about the East Coast? 

I guess it wouldn't be a bad idea to procure all of those items for my family here in SC. 

What do you think?

I think I have 2 nuclear facilities 35 miles away, on either side. I'm buying.

Me to...I guess.  I mean, my family will survive if I have to erect a god damned 100  foot Monolithic Druid Egg Dome...for protection from the irradiated radiation like particulate invisible deathicles that descend in floating cloud form.   

This is bull shit by the way.  That we must deal with this shit now.  Fuckin' nuclear power...and I got shanghaied in the USN, taught to monitor a nuclear power plant...to turn the right valves in the right order and at the right time.  We dropped the bomb and now they're bleeding radiation into the trade winds of progress.

I think I need to extract some cash from the Matrix so as to facilitate my complete withdrawal.  My final exit.  Stage right, or maybe left...or maybe I'll just vanish before your eyes...and with my family.  The fox is always near...hiding in plain site.

Or I'm just full of shit ::)

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Re: Fukushima Clusterfuck Continues
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2013, 07:38:11 PM »
Coincidently, just happened to be reading this today:

http://www.amazon.com/Fukushima-Meltdown-Modern-Radiation-Generations/dp/0945704070/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1388458575&sr=1-1&keywords=Fukushima+Meltdown+%26+Modern+Radiation%3A+Protecting+Ourselves+and+Our+Future+Generations

Lot of good info, especially about protecting from intake of radioactive particles other than 131-I, eliminating radiation already absorbed, and limiting damage from it.  BUT self published by a MD/ND/DC who can't really write well, especially for the public.  Repeats himself alot and imo poorly organized.  NOT an easy or enjoyable read.  Buyer beware! OTOH there is not much out there on these subjects (and i have most of what is on order).

I already have all the article's recommended stuff, 'cause i also live downwind of a nuke plant.  My coveralls are old mil surplus though, not tyvek.

Three things i recommend:

Take kelp pills NOW instead of PI on warning, and build up when worried.  Less likely to cause a reaction and a natural food.

Consider in house HEPA air filters and (if you use a vacuum) a hypo allergenic vacuum cleaner. 

If your car has AC and/or cabin filters buy spares and get HEPA quality if possible.


Considering MSM's coverage of the 2011 Fuku plume and the goverment's reaction of raising permissible rad levels, i doubt they plan to warn us.  Even if they do, they'll call an all clear after it is out of the air, then we can start eating it. :(
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Re: Fukushima Clusterfuck Continues
« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2013, 08:10:20 PM »



Considering MSM's coverage of the 2011 Fuku plume and the goverment's reaction of raising permissible rad levels, i doubt they plan to warn us.  Even if they do, they'll call an all clear after it is out of the air, then we can start eating it. :(

Haven't we already started eating it?  I thought that milk had been effected shortly after the tsunami?

Either way, we will be eating it.  So what are we preparing for?  We don't get cancer from breathing it in, we just get it from eating it.  WTF's the difference? 

So we're supposed to build a fuckin' biodome or some shit?  Like I said earlier...this is bullshit.  How are you supposed to prepare for a future for our children?  I think this is the doomiest news there is. 

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« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2013, 08:22:07 PM »
Okay I think I posted this last year, but it seems appropriate again to lighten the mood a little:
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Re: Fukushima Clusterfuck Continues
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2013, 09:02:46 PM »



Considering MSM's coverage of the 2011 Fuku plume and the goverment's reaction of raising permissible rad levels, i doubt they plan to warn us.  Even if they do, they'll call an all clear after it is out of the air, then we can start eating it. :(

Haven't we already started eating it?  I thought that milk had been effected shortly after the tsunami?

Yup.  You're correct.   Who tells us how much Sr90 is in the milk?  Not to mention the other twenty or so bioaccumulative radionuclides.  I just meant we could add the next serving to our current menu.  Sorry if i wasn't clear.

Either way, we will be eating it.  So what are we preparing for?  We don't get cancer from breathing it in, we just get it from eating it.  WTF's the difference? 

So we're supposed to build a fuckin' biodome or some shit?  Like I said earlier...this is bullshit.  How are you supposed to prepare for a future for our children?  I think this is the doomiest news there is.

We need an international program to end the Fuku emissions. IF this keeps up, almost all food grown outdoors in the Northern Hemisphere will be poisoned eventually.  Someday someone may shoot me for my stash of pre-2011 canned salmon, kelp pills, calcium etc! 


That said it is not true that nothing can be done. 

For example there were two hospitals in Japan about a mile from ground zero at Nagasaki  One hospital put all on a strict vegetarian diet of mostly brown rice, fermented foods, sea algae and vegetables.  The other did not.  The hospital with the diet lost no staff and saved many patients, deaths at the other hospital were ~99%.

Nagasaki was extreme, but it was also a one off and over, Fuku goes on and on.  IT NEEDS TO STOP.  Strategies like the above will likely work for awhile for adults even in radioactive environments.  Kids need clean food and water.  A deep well helps alot.   Biodome and greenhouse might be necessary for awhile.  Looking at greenhouse plans myself.  If i had kids maybe i'd try to get into New Zealand?   Or maybe i'd be in the streets? 

 
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Re: Fukushima Clusterfuck Continues
« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2013, 09:23:21 PM »
I dont believe for a minute that the US wont know anything until japan tell them, thats a copout. They have been telling the japs what to do for most of the time with their navy since about 1850. Funny, we were talking about this 2 days ago but Ive heard nothing of it on the msm. I dont see the point in suits and masks and scrubbing in the shower, just go somewhere safer, seems safer if not easier, short term. Are CA politicians still giving speeches outdoors, that would be a good indication nothings really wrong.
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Re: Fukushima Clusterfuck Continues
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2013, 11:31:59 PM »
http://radiationnetwork.com/

It's volunteer. It's NOT government. I've been watching this site since they started it up shortly after our gooberment refused to do what they were supposed to in the spring of 2011.

These volunteers tell the truth.  :emthup:  8)

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