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Sex is Just So YESTERDAY in Japan!
« on: October 21, 2013, 01:32:43 AM »
Apparently, the Japanese have become disinterested in having sex and relationships.

This is a BIG MYSTERY!  WHY would people living in a Dying Country with Radiation OOZING through the groundwater not want to get married and have babies?

The men can't afford babies, the women are too bizzy working to put food in their own mouths, it is all soooo depressing nobody even wants to fuck anymore!

What is really sad here is this is the RIGHT attitude overall!  Unfortunately, it leads to some nasty demographic problems.

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Why Have Young People In Japan Stopped Having Sex?

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 10/20/2013 22:41 -0400

Japan's under-40s appear to be losing interest in conventional relationships. Millions aren't even dating, and increasing numbers can't be bothered with sex. For their government, "celibacy syndrome" is part of a looming national catastrophe. Japan already has one of the world's lowest birth rates. As The Guardian reports, 45% of Japanese women aged 16-24 are "not interested in or despise sexual contact". More than a quarter of men feel the same way. Is Japan providing a glimpse of all our futures? Many of the shifts there are occurring in other advanced nations, too. Across urban Asia, Europe and America, people are marrying later or not at all, birth rates are falling, single-occupant households are on the rise and, in countries where economic recession is worst, young people are living at home...


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Ai Aoyama is a sex and relationship counsellor who works out of her narrow three-storey home on a Tokyo back street... she did "all the usual things" like tying people up and dripping hot wax on their nipples. Her work today, she says, is far more challenging. Aoyama, 52, is trying to cure what Japan's media calls sekkusu shinai shokogun, or "celibacy syndrome".

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Japan's under-40s appear to be losing interest in conventional relationships. Millions aren't even dating, and increasing numbers can't be bothered with sex. For their government, "celibacy syndrome" is part of a looming national catastrophe. Japan already has one of the world's lowest birth rates. Its population of 126 million, which has been shrinking for the past decade, is projected to plunge a further one-third by 2060. Aoyama believes the country is experiencing "a flight from human intimacy" and it's partly the government's fault.

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The number of single people has reached a record high. A survey in 2011 found that 61% of unmarried men and 49% of women aged 18-34 were not in any kind of romantic relationship, a rise of almost 10% from five years earlier. Another study found that a third of people under 30 had never dated at all. (There are no figures for same-sex relationships.) Although there has long been a pragmatic separation of love and sex in Japan a country mostly free of religious morals sex fares no better. A survey earlier this year by the Japan Family Planning Association (JFPA) found that 45% of women aged 16-24 "were not interested in or despised sexual contact". More than a quarter of men felt the same way.

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Official alarmism doesn't help. Fewer babies were born here in 2012 than any year on record. (This was also the year, as the number of elderly people shoots up, that adult incontinence pants outsold baby nappies in Japan for the first time.) Kunio Kitamura, head of the JFPA, claims the demographic crisis is so serious that Japan "might eventually perish into extinction".

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"Both men and women say to me they don't see the point of love. They don't believe it can lead anywhere," says Aoyama. "Relationships have become too hard."

Marriage has become a minefield of unattractive choices. Japanese men have become less career-driven, and less solvent, as lifetime job security has waned. Japanese women have become more independent and ambitious.

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Aoyama says the sexes, especially in Japan's giant cities, are "spiralling away from each other". Lacking long-term shared goals, many are turning to what she terms "Pot Noodle love" easy or instant gratification, in the form of casual sex, short-term trysts and the usual technological suspects: online porn, virtual-reality "girlfriends", anime cartoons. Or else they're opting out altogether and replacing love and sex with other urban pastimes.

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Aoyama cites one man in his early 30s, a virgin, who can't get sexually aroused unless he watches female robots on a game similar to Power Rangers.

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Mendokusai translates loosely as "Too troublesome" or "I can't be bothered". It's the word I hear both sexes use most often when they talk about their relationship phobia. Romantic commitment seems to represent burden and drudgery, from the exorbitant costs of buying property in Japan to the uncertain expectations of a spouse and in-laws. And the centuries-old belief that the purpose of marriage is to produce children endures. Japan's Institute of Population and Social Security reports an astonishing 90% of young women believe that staying single is "preferable to what they imagine marriage to be like".

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The sense of crushing obligation affects men just as much. Satoru Kishino, 31, belongs to a large tribe of men under 40 who are engaging in a kind of passive rebellion against traditional Japanese masculinity. Amid the recession and unsteady wages, men like Kishino feel that the pressure on them to be breadwinning economic warriors for a wife and family is unrealistic. They are rejecting the pursuit of both career and romantic success.

"It's too troublesome," says Kishino, when I ask why he's not interested in having a girlfriend. "I don't earn a huge salary to go on dates and I don't want the responsibility of a woman hoping it might lead to marriage." Japan's media, which has a name for every social kink, refers to men like Kishino as "herbivores" or soshoku danshi (literally, "grass-eating men"). Kishino says he doesn't mind the label because it's become so commonplace. He defines it as "a heterosexual man for whom relationships and sex are unimportant".

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Is Japan providing a glimpse of all our futures? Many of the shifts there are occurring in other advanced nations, too. Across urban Asia, Europe and America, people are marrying later or not at all, birth rates are falling, single-occupant households are on the rise and, in countries where economic recession is worst, young people are living at home.

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"Gradually but relentlessly, Japan is evolving into a type of society whose contours and workings have only been contemplated in science fiction,"

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Japan's 20-somethings are the age group to watch. Most are still too young to have concrete future plans, but projections for them are already laid out. According to the government's population institute, women in their early 20s today have a one-in-four chance of never marrying. Their chances of remaining childless are even higher: almost 40%.

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"Japan has developed incredibly sophisticated virtual worlds and online communication systems. Its smart phone apps are the world's most imaginative." Kelts says the need to escape into private, virtual worlds in Japan stems from the fact that it's an overcrowded nation with limited physical space. But he also believes the rest of the world is not far behind.

Getting back to basics, former dominatrix Ai Aoyama Queen Love is determined to educate her clients on the value of "skin-to-skin, heart-to-heart" intimacy. She accepts that technology will shape the future, but says society must ensure it doesn't take over. "It's not healthy that people are becoming so physically disconnected from each other," she says. "Sex with another person is a human need that produces feel-good hormones and helps people to function better in their daily lives."

Aoyama says she sees daily that people crave human warmth, even if they don't want the hassle of marriage or a long-term relationship. She berates the government for "making it hard for single people to live however they want" and for "whipping up fear about the falling birth rate". Whipping up fear in people, she says, doesn't help anyone. And that's from a woman who knows a bit about whipping.
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Re: Sex is Just So YESTERDAY in Japan!
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2013, 03:48:06 AM »
And you keep saying CHINA is toast.

"The sort of society only contemplated in science fiction..." Amazing.
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Re: Sex is Just So YESTERDAY in Japan!
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2013, 08:20:55 AM »
I've been reading about this phenomenon. I find it disturbing...and I really don't think it's limited just to Japanese young people, I see the signs of the same behavioral changes here, at least among the children of the dying middle class.

It's not so much about hating sex...I see it as the inevitable result of making it so hard to take care of a family that responsible, thinking young people are just scared shitless of taking on any more than what they absolutely must take on, like the student loans that most of them end up with, in their search for a decent job in a world with increased competition and declining remuneration.

And I think it is also about living in the virtual world as a substitute for real relationships and real sex. For males, it's pornography. For females, it's FaceBook. In either case, living vicariously takes the place of...actually living.  I am saddened by this.
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Re: Sex is Just So YESTERDAY in Japan!
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2013, 09:17:55 AM »
And I think it is also about living in the virtual world as a substitute for real relationships and real sex. For males, it's pornography. For females, it's FaceBook. In either case, living vicariously takes the place of...actually living.  I am saddened by this.
I think you're forgetting video games and "reality" TV shows in this mix.

However, one of my mantras is There Are No Problems, Only Opportunities.  These are needs that industrial civilization is incapable of truly fulfilling; they can only offer poor substitutes to dull the appetite and turn people into zombies.  This is something SUN will have to offer, a chance to be a part of a genuine community.
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Re: Sex is Just So YESTERDAY in Japan!
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2013, 09:47:44 AM »
I think you're forgetting video games and "reality" TV shows in this mix.

Yes, and there are probably other virtual worlds out there that I don't know about at all.

I used to worry about TV, and I still do...which is why I almost never watch it myself. I used to think that television created a lot of cognitive dissonance for kids...seeing an unreal world with all beautiful people and everyone living in clean upscale houses and all driving new cars with no dents.

Now that seems to have given way to a whole new set of problems, like the glorification of all kinds of bad behavior, and shows designed to let people live vicariously through the lives of these trashy reality show morons...which isn't real either. There are no REAL reality shows, because real people live a mundane existence, and nobody would want to watch.
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Re: Sex is Just So YESTERDAY in Japan!
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2013, 06:03:51 PM »
Comparing the jap trend with the rest of world is in some ways apples and oranges.

Young japanese males do not look like the same guys who overran the pacific. Far too many now look like marilyn manson, transgender. The favourite take away food is fried tofu, like soymilk, some say it lowers testosterone and increases eostrogen.

Half japanese women not interested in sex among women? Thats normal across all women everywhere. Ive always thought about half of women are sexually attracted by physical attraction and the other half do not give it away whether they find a male attractive or not. For that half it has always been in exchange for security offered by males. That instinct is toward status associated with power being associated with security. Therefore a rock star or powerful person can always have their pick among most of the married or unmarried women, even if the women know they will get no security in return. It is all about the consensus of the female herd that is the alpha male to mate with.

Simply put, less men able to offer security to women with less women needing security from men makes for less sex. The statistic that 90% of japanese young women think staying single is preferrable to what they believe marriage would be like reminds me of that other statistic; the food discovered to lower libido by 90% in women...........wedding cake  :o

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Re: Sex is Just So YESTERDAY in Japan!
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2013, 02:37:08 AM »
Personally, I think it is the social equivalent of the same Cost-Benefit analysis I made after I got divorced.  All the problems and responsibilities that accrue as a RESULT of getting involved in a Relationship and then the RESULTS from Sex of having kids are GREATER than the BENEFITS you get from taking these things on.

I am REALLY, REALLY good with kids.  If anybody should be a Father, it should be me.  On the other hand, I am a REALLY, REALLY bad Husband.  LOL.  I am way too uncompromising on ALL things.  I'm also a terrific SLOB, which most women cannot STAND.  LOL.  But the real bottom line on this WAS the Bottom Line, which was my socio-economic condition after my divorce and up to just very recently, which was I just did not figure I had enough MONEY to give my progeny a decent life.  Now I do, but I realize now that the EARTH doesn't have enough left to give my progeny a decent life!  The last thing I need to do right now is make some more Babies.

The typical Japanese Salaryman no doubt realizes the same thing subconciously, even more so with Fuk-U-Shima spitting out POISON on a Daily Basis.  WTF would you get involved in a Relationship here, generally necessary for having Sex unless you just Pay for It?  You add complexity and problems to your life doing this, you accrue enormous financial obligations and responsibilities as well.  I mean, if you take on a Dog as a Pet, if worse comes to worse you can always bring it to the Vet and have it Put Down (like that Euphimism?), but you can't Put Down your kids when they become a Burden you cannot Afford.

A bigger question for me is why people in extremely POOR countries keep having sex and producing more babies?  The only rational explanation I can come up with is they do not even THINK about the consequences, and just follow the biological imperative to reproduce.

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Re: Sex is Just So YESTERDAY in Japan!
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2013, 05:37:31 AM »
A bigger question for me is why people in extremely POOR countries keep having sex and producing more babies?  The only rational explanation I can come up with is they do not even THINK about the consequences, and just follow the biological imperative to reproduce.
On the contrary, they're being very rational... because they don't have the resources, they expect and accept a high childhood death rate, so they have lots of kids to make sure a few of them make it to adulthood, more importantly until the parents are elderly, when adult children to support them are the only form of social security they have.
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Re: Sex is Just So YESTERDAY in Japan!
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2013, 06:44:09 AM »
A bigger question for me is why people in extremely POOR countries keep having sex and producing more babies?  The only rational explanation I can come up with is they do not even THINK about the consequences, and just follow the biological imperative to reproduce.

Biological imperative, yes. Retirement plan, yes. Religion yes.

Take care of the planet, no. Make a better world for their kids, no.

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2013, 09:51:55 AM »
I want to get laid.  :icon_sunny: Been two years now since any woman gave any indication that she would like to.  :P

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2013, 10:47:02 AM »
I want to get laid.  :icon_sunny: Been two years now since any woman gave any indication that she would like to.  :P

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2013, 11:18:21 AM »
I want to get laid.  :icon_sunny: Been two years now since any woman gave any indication that she would like to.  :P

Lots of cute girls in my permaculture class...just sayin'. LOL!

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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2013, 12:58:42 PM »
I want to get laid.  :icon_sunny: Been two years now since any woman gave any indication that she would like to.  :P

Lots of cute girls in my permaculture class...just sayin'. LOL!

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Lots of cute girls @ my local pub. Lots of cute girls where I work. Not road trippin to Texas to get ignored by Texan permaculture grilz. LOL  :icon_mrgreen:

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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2013, 02:23:49 PM »
Sex is good but I think it is over rated. If you go by messages the you often hear in the mainstream media then sex is heaven on earth and there is not even a close substitute. This is nonsense and does a disservice because it encourages guys to put up with all kinds of dysfunction just so they can park their piece some where warm and wet. If I had to encourage a young horndog I would tell them any good sex is not worse it if most of the relationship is mediocre as those costs will always exceed the benefits. Rubbing one out aint so bad and people with their egos and pride simply make it seem worse than it is while bigging up sex.

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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2013, 03:29:02 PM »
Sex is good but I think it is over rated. If you go by messages the you often hear in the mainstream media then sex is heaven on earth and there is not even a close substitute. This is nonsense and does a disservice because it encourages guys to put up with all kinds of dysfunction just so they can park their piece some where warm and wet. If I had to encourage a young horndog I would tell them any good sex is not worse it if most of the relationship is mediocre as those costs will always exceed the benefits. Rubbing one out aint so bad and people with their egos and pride simply make it seem worse than it is while bigging up sex.

It's easy to say that sex is over rated when you are having it regularly or semi regularly, or you have had a lot of it. But I agree with you, sex is often overrated, esp when it comes without intimacy.

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