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Da Fed: Central Banking According to RE
« on: February 19, 2012, 12:33:17 PM »
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With Da Fed being the most popular Punching Bag these days for all our monetary
problems, its often postulated that if we simply eliminate it, all these
problems would be eliminated. Nothing could be further from the truth of
course. Under most scenarios you can think of, things will get quite a bit
worse. Of course, they are going to get worse anyhow and Da Fed is an
instrument of great Evil, so it must be done away with, but people do need to
realize this won't reap much in the way of short term benefits.

What Da Fed does, and in fact all CBs do is provide coordination and Central
Planning in a large economic system utilizing Money. Any Bank can go ahead and
print Bank Notes and get a money based economy going anywhere based on the
Assets that bank holds in its "Reserve". Those assets could be anything from
Gold to Land to Manufacturing Plants to Oil, doesn't matter what as long as
those assets hold some perceived value in the economy. There must of course be
a SURPLUS in the econmy of the most basic goods first though, because in the
absence of such a surplus nothing else holds any value. IOW, once Food is in
short supply, all the Gold in your basement safe won't buy it.

In many prior posts I have gone over the principles of how money itself evolves,
so its a good time here to look a bit further into how Central Banking evolved,
and why it became particularly powerful in the Industrial Era.

Everyplace in everytime hasn't always had a whole bunch of Precious Metals
around to Coin Up and use for Money. The spot might have been plentiful in many
other resources, well into Surplus of the basics, but little in the way of PMs
around. You could take Africa as an example where Cowrie Shells were used for
Money for quite some time, but a better example for our puposes is North America
in the early days of Colonization.

England, France, Portugal and Spain themselves never seemed to have enough Gold
around in those years, since they were always busy with wars against each other
going back to the collapse of the Roman Empire. The coinage they did have was
always necessary to pay soldiers, who generally would take no other form of
Money since it didn't generally hold value too well in a Wartime scenario.
Besides the soldiers, there was the necessity of purchasing all the Consumables
of a War, Guns, Ammo, Horses, Food for the Soldiers etc. Again, during a time
of War, the folks in control of these resources would only part with them for
payment in specie, not Sovereign Promises which would go bad if the side you
provided the stuff to lost the war. Of course, "Democracy" eventually changed
this dynamic some, which I will explain as we go along here.

So anyhow, the Colonial powers tended to hoard any PMs they got hold of, and
rather than pay for raw materials in specie to their dependent colonies, they
basically just got Credits on the Balance Sheet of the East India Company.
e.g., if you delivered a certain amount of Lumber for instance to the docks, you
had Credit with which to buy more Crosscut Saws and so forth coming back the
other way, thus expanding your Lumber Bizness. However, no Gold is showing up
in your economy this way to use to pay the Lumberjacks, so what do you do here?
Answer, the Lumber Company starts printing its own notes, which you then can use
to buy your own Crosscut Saw in the Company Store, along with other nicely
produced Goods from Europe also, like Cloth produced on Industrial Looms.

In fact any Gold or Silver that does turn up circulating in the economy gets
sucked OUT of the economy because the King over In Europe will only accept as
Tax Payment what you manage to squeeze out here from immigrants who arrived with
a few Pieces of Eight or Louis D'Ors in their pockets.

Recent immigrants to the FSofA not being quite the money DOPES people are today
realized they could set up their own Banking houses and systems, get some
internal trade going and pretty much avoid Taxation by the King on this. So
laws are passed as to what is allowed to be used as Legal Tender which makes
local trade even more difficult, and Colonists and Pigmen alike are very unhappy
with the situation. Eventually they Revolt and start up a New Country, mainly
so they can control their own commerce, not get taxed to beat the band and yes,
create their own Money also.

The Founding Fathers, the Aristocracy of the New country are well aware of
Monetary issues, so they make some laws on Coinage rules and invest in CONgress
the power to coin money, but this doesn't stope Banksters from creating Notes
and there still is a remarkable dearth of available PMs to coin up here during
this period In fact I am pretty sure at the end of the Revolutionary War the
new Nation started out in debt to the French and probably Kraut banksters as
well.

So now in the early days of the FSofA you have a very chaotic system of
different Banksters creating Notes for local commerce, a few PMs floating
around, and very POWERFUL Banking interests from the Old Country who want to
gain hegemony over the system. They eventually get Alexander Hamilton to set up
the First Bank of the US, which in due course Fails of course screwing numerous
people. More chaos ensues. Then the Second Bank of the FSofA gets chartered
and things go OK until the late 1840s or so, when there are yet more Banking
problems going on over in Europe. Andy Jackson "kills" the 2nd Bank of the
FSofA, and now we move into the "Free Banking" period which lasts all the way up
until Da Fed is chartered in 1913.

Now, while Pollyanna Free Market Economic History buffs look at this period as
one of great Growth and Freedom, what it really allowed for was a massive grab
of resources by the most powerful Banking Houses over in Europe, and besides
that was a fundamental cause of the Civil War. During the period, the big FSofA
Banking interests consolidated under the Robber Barons, Rockefeller, Carnegie,
Morgan and Mellon. These folks got mega-rich on the backs of Chinese and Irish
they imported over here to build the Railroads, who while they were better off
than they were in their home countries in those years were certainly not living
high on the hog here.

The period also is one in which Crime flourished throughout the land, it was the
heyday of the Gunslingers of the Old West of course. These folks though were
petty thieves compared to the thievery the US Calvary was engaged in as it
cleared the land of Natives and Colonists alike to get rights of way for the
Railroads and gain the Mineral Rights for Oil and Coal containing land.

For J6P of those years, if he was fortunate out living in a Little House on the
Prairie and not in the direct path of the Railroad or sitting on top of an Oil
field, he probably did OK most of the time without much money living close to a
subsitence lifestyle. The various Financial Panics through the years probably
didn't affect him all that much, although there were certainly "Hard Times",
where more than the average number of boys left the Farm and took up Gunslinging
and Bank Robbery as a means of making a living. Jed Clampett not withstanding,
anytime some Rube did happen to be living on top of an Oil Field, he was quickly
snookered out of it and if he didn't sell out his mineral rights to Standard Oil
he bought instead a Ticket to the Great Beyond.

So now you have this Great Nation of the FSofA in the post Civil War years, the
Railroads expanding their tentacles across the once pristine landscape and
Factory towns popping up like Buboes across the Northeast and around the Great
Lakes. Is there any "National Money" really floating around here though? Not
really, the Railroads are all paying the Chinese and Irish in their own Scrip
and so are all the Factory Towns. Lincoln did issue "Greenbacks" and there are
"Dollars" floating around in the larger economies, but even besides the systemic
financial Panics of the period you get many individual bank and company failures
along the way also. The number of times J6P working in some Factory town got
hosed when the Factory closed up and he was left holding a bunch of worthless
Company Scrip to buy goods at the now Outta Biz commpany store is incalculable.

So in this New World where J6P is dependent on Jobs in Industry, he WANTS a
Single Currency good anywhere in the Nation which he can Save if he is a
penurious and industrious sort of fellow, which when his Job in the Company
Store goes south he can still use to buy stuff at some other store in some other
town, where hopefully he can find a new job also paying this Dependable Currency
of the Dollar.

Into this vaccuum in 1913 step our friends the Rockefellers, Rothschilds,
Morgans and Mellons to establish Da Fed after secret meetings on Jekyll Island.
The agreement amongst them is to Charter a new Central Bank which will issue the
Currency they ALL will use in their Company Stores, and which Da Goobermint will
have to Borrow from THEM if it wants to buy anything. Since they now Own most
of what is worth owning by this time and all other New Biznesses are much
smaller than they are, these new biznesses ALSO must use this money rather than
issuing their own Company Scrip. So, even if not directly Owned by JP Morgan,
Mom & Pop Biz is indirectly owned by him because in order to use this Money,
they are paying a 3% Tax on it all the time. This is done on an aggregate level
to keep the system rolling and is partially recycled back into Da Goobermint,
but even just 1% of the entire Production of the country is constantly being fed
into the hands of the few people who hold the stock and control over Da Federal
Reserve, the Central Bank in control of the creation of Currency. How much they
will create at any given time and how it gets lent out all passes through the
Primary Dealers, who then determine how much will be Invested into various types
of Stocks and Bonds being issued out. So the economy is essentially Centrally
Planned by the owners of these Banks and Corporations, and they build out the
economy for their own greatest benefit. Tha greatest benefit comes in the
Monopolization of core Industries producing, well, EVERYTHING. Food production
especially becomes consolidated to the point where it almost becomes impossible
to grow your own food these days.

Now, why, oh why did CONgress and Treasury not simply continue the printing of
Greenbacks and keep Money Production "In House" as the province of the Public,
as opposed to a few powerful Banking Houses? There are numerous reasons for
this, though the biggest one is simply general Ignorance of how money works by
people who are Elected out of the general population, and the ones who are not
Ignorant are already Corrupt and easily bought by Monied interests.

The composition of the House and Senate in 1913 was little different than it is
today, you have some Populist types elected from the Hoi Polloi who are usually
Rubes, and then some (and more all the time of course) Rich folks who buy their
way into office. You know, Michale Bloomberg, Mitt Romney et al. The Rubes are
replaceable Idiots, and they gotta raise money to get reelected and not get
Assassinated on the pages of the Corporate Owned Newspaper, and the Monied
interests are interested in making sure they stay RICH. So in 1913, when the
crew from Jekyll Island presents this "Federal Reserve" Plan, its pretty easy to
get all the Votes necessary in CONgress to approve it, and POOF, here in the
FSofA Central Banking is BORN AGAIN, with yes of course the very same folks
running this system as were running it over in Europe going back to time
immemorial here. Postulate among more than a few people here being that those
folks are actually the Elders of Zion, running the whole system since it began
even predating the Roman Empire and predating Babylon also. In the broadest
sense this just about has to be true, what isn't real clear is how well
particular family lines held up through so many millenia, but the overall
banking system can be connected up quite well going back through the Medici and
the Catholic Church, then predating that through Roman Banking connections to
Egypt and then from there predating in Egypts Banking connecitons to Persia and
the Mesopotamian Empire.

The insufficient supply of PMs I mentioned early on here was resolved through
the combination of the Bond Market and Parliamentary "Democracy". While in the
Early days Merchants would only take from a King his Gold in payment for the
various goods and services he needed to Make War, the invention of a Democracy
made Debts which a Nation State took on to make War last indefinitely long. If
a King took on a debt, when the King dies, the debt dies with him. When a
Nation through its "Representative Goobermint" takes on a Debt, it lasts
essentially forever, unless and until the entire Goobermint comes crashing down
in a Revolution, and even then once a New Goobermint is established, in order to
get back into the Good Graces of the Money Lenders, in the Name of the People
the New Goobermint has to accept at least part of the responsibility to pay back
old debts incurred by the last Goobermint. With the establishment of such
"Popular Goobermints", Bonds became BETTER than Gold, and so in the years since
the Bond Market of Sovereign Debt has been the big driver for Money Creation.
If Sovereigns created Debt FREE money and directly issued Currency, there would
BE no Bond Market, and no way for private Merchants to sieve money from the
population. So it never evolved that way, anytime it started it got squashed
out by those running an already functioning monetary system.

This leads us finally to today, where after lo all these many years the Chickens
come Home to Roost, and the Sovereign Bond Market is in catastrophic failure
mode. Debt has been heaped on Debt, Pyramided and Rehypothecated up many times
over here. "Good as Gold" (better actually) Sovereign Debt is used as
Collateral to borrow against not once, but many times over on the asumption of
course all the bad bets won't go bad at the same time, forcing Margin Calls from
all corners. Soon as any one of these goes bad though, all the people owning
rehypothecated debt get nervous and call in their loans. So, if you used Greek
Sovereign "good as gold" Bonds upon which to borrow money several times over to
buy a variety of other assets, soon as the Greek Bonds go bad, every Lender who
loaned you some money based on those Greek Bonds sends in the Repo Man.

It would be bad enough if it was JUST the Greek Sovereign Bonds here, but the
fact is of course it is ALL of them. Pretty much every Sovereign State on earth
INCLUDING the Chinese and Germans has borrowed against the future, based on the
idea of Perpetual Growth of their economies, which as we know cannot possibly
happen in a world of finite resources. Besides that, all the Debt even if not
denominated in the Dominant Fiat denomination of Dollars is integrally connected
through the Bond Market, so when that collapses all the Fiat does also of
whatever denomination no matter who is printing it.

There is sufficient separation here between economies that Euros, Yen, Dollars,
Francs etc can all be printed at various different rates which produces varying
rates of inflation and deflation in these economies, but its really impossible
for anyone of them to truly "Monetize the Debt". The Debt is actually many
times the amount of currency in existence resultant from fractional banking and
rehypothecation. Helicopter Ben can print a $1T or two a year maybe, but actual
dollar Denominated Debt floating around out there is in the $100s of Ts and
maybe Quadrillions. Try to make good on that through monetization, the world is
swimming in Dollar Bills a mile thick covering the entire globe right up to
Alaska. OK, I'm guessing here, but its a lot of paper anyhow.LOL. So, we come
right back around to the reality that most of this debt is irredeemable and
simply will be flushed down the toilet, but that debt represents MOST of the
Wealth of the top .01% of the World. Allow the Greeks to declare BK and wash
their debt, the Irish will want that too. So will the Italians. So the Bond
Holders don't want to wash ANYBODY's debt out here. They will have to of
course, because that which cannot be paid will not be, but they keep stringing
it out here pressing austerity down and squeezing out every last drop possible,
and the populations mostly accept it because economic Collapse and total failure
of the monetary system is WORSE than austerity. At least until the austerity is
SOOO tight you just can't live anymore anyhow and and its worse than Death to
keep trying to live under it. When more than a certain percentage of the
population reaches that point, then you get your Revolutions. I'll ballpark
that at around 25%, but that is not a 25% figure of Unemployment. Its a 25%
figure of people with ZERO resources who can't even get Bennies like transfer
payments and SNAP Cards. We are still well under that here in the FSofA of
course.

Nevertheless, as the Cascade proceeds along here, as first the Greeks go Down
and then the Italians, the collapsing debt will reverberate through the Banking
system, eventually collapsing all the Fiat, as the Bond Market becomes
irretrievably broken. At this point, Money on the International level ceases to
function. this wil be very disruptive obviously to political stability
everywhere, and substituting Gold just won't work well or for too long even if
tried. As I see it, the only thing which might briefly work in stages is doing
some Credit Money creation a la Ellen Brown, but this only possibly works to
salvage some commerce for a while locally if people still accept this money. In
order to meet the needs of so many people, Da Goobermint would have the tendency
to issue far too much of it and it would hyperinflate. It also would have only
one real source of distribution, that would be from Da Goobermint. So all Jobs
would be Goobermint Jobs. Essentially, its the Soviet Model and it just has
tons of problems associated with it, the most apparent of which is a high level
of corruption. Let's face it, if you turned CONgress into the Politburo and
gave them the monopoly over issuing money and dishing it out, they would just be
the same type of Power Brokers that the TBTF Banks are now. However, as was the
case with the Soviets, it could stave off a total Mad Max outcome for a while if
undertaken with some degree of success, and would seem to be a likely outcome in
the near term.

The greater problem than Goobermint stepping in here to retake Money Creation
from the hands of the Illuminati is that the collapse will make apparent the
real lack of resources necessary to support 7B people on the planet. Not that
such resources don't currently exist in aggregate, they still do. Problem is
the new money created won't function Cross Border in international trade.
Disparate Credit Money issued by varying goobermints is like Scrip issued by
different Companies, it doesn't buy anything at another company store unless
there is agreed on valuations for the notes. When the Dollar collapses, all
these agreed on valuations go out the window here, and it would be very chaotic,
to say the least.

Still, it holds the system together a while longer if it gets implemented
successfully in some locales by some Goobermints. The issue here is though that
the international trade in Oil and food would be so disrupted by this that many
areas that are not self sufficient would suffer extreme deprivation, aka a good
portion of the population would Starve to Death. This has blowback in terms of
conflict at the borders of all these places, as people on one side of a border
currently starving attempt to get to the other side where people are not doing
too great, but not yet starving. So you get lots of local cross border wars,
along with internal Mad Max issues.

So, as you can see here, bad as the Central Banking paradigm is, once it
collapses you get many more and worse problems which people seek to avoid here.
Can't be avoided forever, but nobody wants it to be TODAY, in My Little Town.
The fact it will inevitably end up with so many people off the cliff and such a
major population reduction makes it impossible to say what will come after this
in the end. It could be enslavement of the remaining population by a few; it
could be a balkanization with many smaller self sustaining populations on an Ag
level, it could be a vast reduction to Primitivism in the Hunter-Gatherer
paradigm, or it could be an Extinction Level Event. We won't know the answer to
this in our lifetimes, though we may see the beginnings of it to have a better
idea of which way it will go here. What is definitely true though is that when
the Central bank model fails and the Dollar goes the way of the Dinosaur, the
changes will begin in earnest. Root for the End of Da Fed if you wish to, I
certainly do. Realize however that the end of Da Fed is no solution to our
problems, but rather will only bring to the surface many deeper ones embedded in
the monetary sytem.

The End of Da Fed is not the End of our problems. It is not even the Beginning
of the End. It is just the End of the Beginning.

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Re: Da Fed: Central Banking According to RE
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2012, 05:48:02 AM »
This was a pleasure to read and a real nice job integrating your own ideas with a few others' lying around here and there.  I disagree with your conclusion that it will be the "long emergency" and we won't see cataclysm in our lifetimes.  I don't know about that.  We just might.

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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2012, 09:09:29 AM »
RE said: " Realize however that the end of Da Fed is no solution to our
problems, but rather will only bring to the surface many deeper ones embedded in
the monetary sytem."

Agreed. This is what Steve L. was talking about - the two economies. The industrial economy of extraction, processing, manufacturing, shipping and consuming is dependent on the financial economy to provide the credit / debt for the other to occur.

Remove the Fed and other central banks and the industrial economy is toast.

So I guess the question is, facing such a dilemna, wouldn't the governments around the world do everything necessary to keep the financial economy functioning? Isn't this what we see going on now? If so, then maybe we won't have an all out collapse over a very short time frame. Maybe it will drag out over decades ala Greer.

If TPTB can't keep it going, then Orlov is right: his five stages of collapse happen in one stage. Families and neighbors will band together (other thread), take refuge in a house or barn together and shoot anyone that comes within range. Isn't this how people survived the plague in Europe? Sorry, getting OT.

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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2012, 02:16:40 AM »
The end game is a given, we are only debating the timing.

Personally I can see this charade playing out for at least another decade, or even two, in the "developed" nation states.

Kunstler is right.... it will be A Long Emergency.

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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2012, 04:30:08 AM »
I think 7 million will die very soon.  What say you??  lol

Very nice web site, btw.

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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2012, 04:45:11 AM »
7M is Chump Change Stuck in this go round.  Those were old numbers with a much lower population base.  This one is Big Time.  Anything less than Billions is meaningless.

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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2012, 02:22:05 PM »
it's an infantile die off. 7M in the very soon timeframe sounds about right for late period extend and pretend (LPEAP). we had 150K/day dead in the best of times.

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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2012, 02:45:19 PM »
Saw this today and could simply not resist, as RE addresses this very thing in his post.
RE, it's not the obligatory references to Strauss & Howe, and Tacitus (a la Jimbo), but he does discuss the policies of Diocletian. "War economy," indeed.



http://azizonomics.com/2012/04/12/rome-central-planning/

Central planning — like war  — never changes. It has always been a powerful and effective way of achieving an explicit objective (e.g. building a bridge, or a road), but one that has has always come with detrimental side-effects. And the more central planners try to minimise the side-effects, the more side-effects appear. And so the whack-a-mole goes on.

This was true in the days of Rome, too.

From Dennis Gartman:

    Rome had its socialist interlude under Diocletian. Faced with increasing poverty and restlessness among the masses, and with the imminent danger of barbarian invasion, he issued in A.D. 301 an edictum de pretiis, which denounced monopolists for keeping goods from the market to raise prices, and set maximum prices and wages for all important articles and services. Extensive public works were undertaken to put the unemployed to work, and food was distributed gratis, or at reduced prices, to the poor. The government – which already owned most mines, quarries, and salt deposits – brought nearly all major industries and guilds under detailed control. “In every large town,” we are told, “the state became a powerful employer, standing head and shoulders above the private industrialists, who were in any case crushed by taxation.” When businessmen predicted ruin, Diocletian explained that the barbarians were at the gate, and that individual liberty had to be shelved until collective liberty could be made secure. The socialism of Diocletian was a war economy, made possible by fear of foreign attack. Other factors equal, internal liberty varies inversely with external danger.

    The task of controlling men in economic detail proved too much for Diocletian’s expanding, expensive, and corrupt bureaucracy. To support this officialdom – the army, the courts, public works, and the dole – taxation rose to such heights that people lost the incentive to work or earn, and an erosive contest began between lawyers finding devices to evade taxes and lawyers formulating laws to prevent evasion. Thousands of Romans, to escape the tax gatherer, fled over the frontiers to seek refuge among the barbarians. Seeking to check this elusive mobility and to facilitate regulation and taxation, the government issued decrees binding the peasant to his field and the worker to his shop until all their debts and taxes had been paid. In this and other ways medieval serfdom began.

So much for the view that increasing aggregate demand is the recipe for wider prosperity; Diocletian surely raised it a lot. But that didn’t really accomplish much, either in terms of wider prosperity, or in terms of the sustainability of the Roman civilisation. Raised aggregate demand is only useful if it contributes to creating and producing things that society needs and wants. And as Hayek brutally demonstrated, central planning is notoriously useless at determining what people actually want.

Of course, no modern centralist (e.g. Krugman) explicitly endorses price controls although, I am sure some of the more Hayekian or Paulian-minded among us will point out among other things that the minimum wage and the setting of interest rates are both kinds of price control. Diocletian however, was far more expansive.

From Wiki:

    The first two-thirds of the Edict doubled the value of the copper and bronze coins, and set the death penalty for profiteers and speculators, who were blamed for the inflation and who were compared to the barbarian tribes attacking the empire. Merchants were forbidden to take their goods elsewhere and charge a higher price, and transport costs could not be used as an excuse to raise prices.

    The last third of the Edict, divided into 32 sections, imposed a price ceiling - a maxima - for over a thousand products. These products included various food items (beef, grain, wine, beer, sausages, etc), clothing (shoes, cloaks, etc), freight charges for sea travel, and weekly wages. The highest limit was on one pound of purple-dyed silk, which was set at 150,000 denarii (the price of a lion was set at the same price).

And how did it work out?

    The Edict did not solve all of the problems in the economy. Diocletian’s mass minting of coins of low metallic value continued to increase inflation, and the maximum prices in the Edict were apparently too low.

    Merchants either stopped producing goods, sold their goods illegally, or used barter. The Edict tended to disrupt trade and commerce, especially among merchants. It is safe to assume that a gray market economy evolved out of the edict at least between merchants.

Bernanke of course is much more sophisticated; he uses the facility of the primary dealer banks to hide the currency inflation necessary to monetize government debt. Central planning wins again? No; central planning always comes with unpredictable boomerang side effects.

I suppose, though, that it is comforting that history is repeating itself. After the horrors of medieval feudalism, we pulled ourselves up anew from the wastes of history.

"It is difficult to write a paradiso when all the superficial indications are that you ought to write an apocalypse." -Ezra Pound

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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2012, 03:02:28 PM »
The parallels between the Roman Empire Collapse and this one are astounding.   It's times like these I wish I could read Latin like my Illuminati Spawn college girlfriend.  I'd be pouring over those texts now.

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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2012, 05:26:59 PM »
It was one hell of a collapse that Rome had, a centuries long straight down grind. I hope we are that lucky in ours, but it doesn't appear to be very likely.

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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2012, 07:45:26 PM »
Hi RE,
I would like to question the prediction, at least what looks to be a prediction of the end of the FED, and life as we know it. The first thought is that we did the depression/deflation thing in the 30s and the result was the haves coming through smelling of roses. It was an incredible transfer of real wealth to the haves. It was no accident, it was well engineered.

And here we are again. The FED is just a figure head for the banking system. J P Morgan and the like know just what they are doing. Heck, JP got the cleaned up assets of Bear handed to them on a silver platter. BofA, a rouge bank, an outsider, had to eat Lehman or die. These guys make up all the base money they want, no questions asked. They know exactly what they are doing.

The government will not be steeping in to take over control of the banks money. Those guys on the banking communities are paid very well to stay out of the banks business except when it is good for the banks business. Look at the size of the banking lobby. Look at the history of banking once the FR Act gave them carte blanche to create our legal tender. No, I don't see it. There is no mechanism to clearly show the demise of the banking system. If anything, they have the little people right where they want them.



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Re: Da Fed: Central Banking According to RE
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2012, 10:01:55 PM »
Hi RE,
I would like to question the prediction, at least what looks to be a prediction of the end of the FED, and life as we know it. The first thought is that we did the depression/deflation thing in the 30s and the result was the haves coming through smelling of roses. It was an incredible transfer of real wealth to the haves. It was no accident, it was well engineered.

And here we are again. The FED is just a figure head for the banking system. J P Morgan and the like know just what they are doing. Heck, JP got the cleaned up assets of Bear handed to them on a silver platter. BofA, a rouge bank, an outsider, had to eat Lehman or die. These guys make up all the base money they want, no questions asked. They know exactly what they are doing.

The government will not be steeping in to take over control of the banks money. Those guys on the banking communities are paid very well to stay out of the banks business except when it is good for the banks business. Look at the size of the banking lobby. Look at the history of banking once the FR Act gave them carte blanche to create our legal tender. No, I don't see it. There is no mechanism to clearly show the demise of the banking system. If anything, they have the little people right where they want them.

Complicated question Danno, one which I could only answer by doing a whole lot of speculating.  However, a worthy subject to tackle for sure.  I might try this one over the weekend.

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Re: Da Fed: Central Banking According to RE
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2012, 09:51:40 PM »
Commercial banking will beocme a boring, low-growth low-profit, low-innovation business again.  Balance sheets will beocme a whole lot less leveraged.  Loans will be given to those who can actually pay them back.  People will have to have downpayments and good credit.  People will probably begin to trade mortgage backed securities and derivatives again, but there will be more scruting into the relaibility and quality of these instruments.

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Re: Da Fed: Central Banking According to RE
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2012, 11:59:12 PM »
Usually banks ask for an opening deosipt of at least $100. Some banks may charge a fee if you savings account falls under a minimum level. Yes, you earn interest, though it isn't very much, but it will depend on your bank. You will need your parents with you to open an account.

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Re: Da Fed: Central Banking According to RE
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2012, 02:14:37 AM »
I could be wrong. I thought the reiotulvon started already, i.e. Ireland, Iceland, Arab spring, Greek, Spain, UK, TEA parties, and OWS. It is the process of democracy echos support not the violence. Remember the movie  National Treasure  If there is one thing I learn from the movie is this    Government should be setup so no man should be afraid of another.  It is no longer true in many countries. Isn't it? Just look at how protesters are treated. Since when guardians become dictators?! My 2 cents. JW, Vancouver.

 

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