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« on: January 13, 2014, 12:37:52 AM »
Looks like it is time to start keeping track of this Theatre.  All South China Sea War Newz in this thread.

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China Plans To Seize South China Sea Island From Philippines, Says "Battle Will Be Restricted"

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 01/12/2014 19:00 -0500

Following Japan's proclamations that it will take over another 280 'disputed ownership' islands, it appears the increasingly dis-approved of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's path of militarism and provocation is working. As China Daily Mail reports, citing experts, China intends to take back Zhongye Island - 'illegally' occupied by the Philippines, according to the Chinese. The Chinese navy has drawn a detailed combat plan to seize the island and the battle will be restricted within the South China Sea. Philippines military is building up on the island and the Chinese see as 'intolerable' the "arrogance" relying on US support. It seems the Obama administration may have to 'not take sides' in another fight soon.
 
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Background on the build-up...

    Eugenio Bito-onon Jr, mayor of the Kalayaan island group, part of the contested Spratly islands administered by the Philippines, recently confirmed that the Western Command of the Armed Forces of the Philippines has deployed new air force troops in rotation to the disputed island of Thitu, according to Jaime Laude in a report for the Manila-based Philippine Star on Jan. 5.


    Known as Pag-asa in the Philippines and Zhongye island by both China and Taiwan, Thitu is the second largest in the Spratly island chain in the South China Sea and the largest of all Philippine-occupied Spratly islands.

     

    Laude said that the air force troops were deployed to Thitu island by naval aircraft, which will give the residents of the island a chance to visit Kalayaan aboard the returning plane. He added that China's maritime expansion into the South China Sea continues to put pressure on the Philippines, and the Philippine Navy have also been stationed in the area to defend the islands.

     

    ...

     

    Six countries - Taiwan, China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei — claim in whole or part to the South China Sea and its island chains and shoals.

And the Latest Tensions...

Via China Daily Mail (translated from Chinese media),

    Relying on US support, the Philippines is so arrogant as to announce in the New Year that it will increase its navy and air force deployment at Zhongye Island, a Chinese island that it has illegally occupied for years.

     

    It will be an intolerable insult to China

     

    According to experts, the Chinese navy has drawn a detailed combat plan to seize the island and the battle will be restricted within the South China Sea.

     

    The battle is aimed at recovery of the island stolen by the Philippines from China.

     

    There will be no invasion into Filipino territories.

     

    A report in the Philippines Star confirmed the Philippines military buildup on the island.

Source: qianzhan.com “Sudden major move of Chinese troops this year to recover Zhongye Island by force”

 

Of course, claims that "battle will be restricted" are nothing but taunting and should China launch an offsensive here, we suspect the already dry and brittle tinder box in the South (and East) China Sea could rapidly escalate.
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Re: South China Sea War Newz
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2014, 10:11:03 AM »
Proxy wars are nothing new in the region.


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The Food War is heating up in the South China Sea!

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Who gets the last fish?

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-20/indonesia-just-sank-large-chinese-vessel-and-40-other-fishing-boats-south-china-sea

Indonesia Just Sank "A Large Chinese Vessel" And 40 Other Fishing Boats In The South China Sea

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According to The China People's Daily, Indonesia has just sank a large Chinese vessel and 40 other foreign ships caught fishing in The South China Sea. AP confirms that Indonesian authorities blew up and sank the 41 vessels... which seems like something that might just lead to some serious escalation if true...

 

 

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The tweet...

 

And AP's confirmation...

 
 

Indonesian authorities blew up and sank 41 foreign fishing vessels Wednesday as a warning against poaching in the country's waters.

 

The vessels from a variety of countries were blown up in several ports across the archipelago, which has some of the world's richest fishing grounds.

 

Navy spokesman First Adm. Manahan Simorangkir said 35 vessels were sunk by the navy and six by the coast guard police.

 

Fisheries Minister Susi Pudjiastuti said Indonesia has blown up several other boats since the current government took over last year after President Joko "Jokowi" Widodo was elected. Part of his platform was to preserve Indonesia's oceans to ensure future generations will benefit from its rich waters.

 

The boats, seized from Chinese, Malaysian, Philippine, Thai and Vietnamese fishermen, were blown up on National Awakening Day, which commemorates the first political movement toward Indonesia's independence.

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Re: South China Sea War Newz
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2015, 08:41:40 PM »
The US says China is a troublemaker because they are building an airport on Fiery Cross Reef!
And they are dredging sand to make the runway!
And the runway is so long it is able to take military aircraft (and long haul supply aircraft).



But they don't make a fuss about Itu Aba Island, because ... well, Taiwan is not a troublemaker.



And they don't make a fuss about Thitu Island, because ... well, The Philpines is not a troublemaker.



And they don't make a fuss about Swallow Reef, because ... well, Malaysia is not a troublemaker.



Then there are these islands where the Chinese are making trouble again:







But the Vietnamese are just living there without making trouble, not dredging or anything:



except here:




Now they could sort out the ownership of all these islands the civilised way, like the UK did in the Falklands/Malvinas dispute with Argentina - by shooting all the Argentinians and then holding a referendum to see who the remaining people wanted to be in charge.

[BTW, I was in Panama while all this was going on, and a British Navy supply ship docked in Colon and I met some of the sailors on R&R.  After copious amounts of alcohol they told me that they had nuclear weapons on board, ready to re-supply the front line ships if needed.  But don't tell anyone.]
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Re: South China Sea War Newz
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2015, 10:09:31 AM »
Is this war for oil or fish?

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Re: South China Sea War Newz
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2015, 10:19:04 AM »
Is this war for oil or fish?

political credibility?
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Re: South China Sea War Newz
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2015, 02:37:57 PM »
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Is this war for oil or fish?

Fishing is the current activity, but oil is the (very optimistic) hope.  The Exclusive Economic Zones of all of the tiny islands would be only slivers if the usual rules for dividing up offshore resources were applied to the status quo.  The US argument about interference with international shipping is a complete joke, especially since the US hasn't signed on to the Law of the Sea.



Historical claims to sovereignty date back to before maps were any good (lack of chronometers to set longitude).  Then the British claimed everything based on having colonized Borneo, while France did the same based on having colonized Vietnam (over 500 Km away).  Then Japan occupied them in WW2, then Republic of China claimed them after WW2, then People's Republic of China claimed them in 1949.  A fishing entrepreneur also claims the Spratly Islands as a group as Freedomland.  So no shortage of claims.

There is also controversy over which islands are really "land", most being slightly submerged reefs, and the rest at danger of being washed away by storms, or innundated by rising sea levels.  There is no indigenous population and no fresh water.

If I ruled the world, the whole lot would be declared an international Marine Park, with fishing and oil exploration banned - but you know how much notice they take of me.
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Re: South China Sea War Newz
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2015, 07:17:57 PM »
"YOU GO, NOW!"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-25/war-will-be-inevitable-unless-us-stops-meddling-terrotorial-dispute-chinese-state-ne
Chinese State Paper Warns "War Will Be Inevitable" Unless U.S. Stops Meddling In Territorial Dispute
Tyler Durden
5/25/2015

Whereas over the past year, ever since the outbreak of the hostilities over the fate of Ukraine following the Victoria Nuland orchestrated presidential coup, relations between Russia and NATO have devolved to a Cold War 2.0 state as manifested by countless interceptions of Russian warplanes by NATO jets and vice versa as depicted in the following infographic...

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2015/05/Infographic-NATO-Russia.jpg

... at least China was mercifully allowed to stay out of the fray between the Cold War enemies.

This all changed this month when first the Pentagon's annual report to Congress this month cast China as a threat to regional and international peace and stability, followed several weeks ago when, with China aggressively encroaching into territories in the South China Sea claimed by US allies in the region such as Philippines, Vietnam and Japan, the US decided to get involved in yet another regional spat that does not directly involve it, and started making loud noises about China's territorial expansion over the commodity-reach area.

China promptly relatiated by threatening a US spy plane during a routine overflight, while immediately thereafter the US retaliated at China's escalation, and warned that building sea "sandcastles" could "lead to conflict."

Far from shutting China up, earlier today China said it had lodged a complaint with the United States over a U.S. spy plane that flew over parts of the disputed South China Sea in a diplomatic row that has fuelled tension between the world's two largest economies.

Quoted by Reuters, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said on Monday China had lodged a complaint and that it opposed "provocative behaviour" by the United States.

"We urge the U.S. to correct its error, remain rational and stop all irresponsible words and deeds," she said. "Freedom of navigation and overflight by no means mean that foreign countries' warships and military aircraft can ignore the legitimate rights of other countries as well as the safety of aviation and navigation."

China had noted “ear-piercing voices” from many in the U.S. about China’s construction on the islands and reefs.

In other words, China just imposed an effective "no fly zone" for US spy planes, a dramatic shift from its recent posture when it tolerated and turned a blind eye to US spy plane overflights. Going forward, the US has been explicitly warned not to fly over China or risk the consequences.



This handout photo taken on March 16, 2015 by satellite imagery provider Digital Globe shows a satellite image of vessels purportedly dredging sand at Mischief Reef in the Spratly Islands in the disputed South China Sea

And just to confirm that if the US had hoped it could threaten Beijing into submission and force the Politburo into curbing its expanionist appetit, it was dead wrong, the nationalist Global Times, a paper owned by the ruling Communist Party’s official newspaper, the People’s Daily, said in a Monday editorial that war was “inevitable” between China and the United States unless Washington stopped demanding Beijing halt the building of artificial islands in the disputed waterway.

PressTV has more details:

    A war between the United States and China is “inevitable” unless Washington stops demanding Beijing halt its construction projects in the South China Sea, a Chinese state-owned newspaper warns.

    “If the United States’ bottom line is that China has to halt its activities, then a US-China war is inevitable in the South China Sea,” The Global Times, an influential newspaper owned by the ruling Communist Party’s official newspaper the People’s Daily, said in an editorial Monday.

    “We do not want a military conflict with the United States, but if it were to come, we have to accept it,” said The Global Times, which is among China’s most nationalist newspapers.

    Beijing last week said it was “strongly dissatisfied” after a US spy plane defied multiple warnings by the Chinese navy and flew over the Fiery Cross Reef, where China is reportedly building an airfield and other installations.

    “The intensity of the conflict will be higher than what people usually think of as ‘friction’,” it warned.

    The paper also asserted that China was determined to finish its construction work in the South China Sea, calling it Beijing’s “most important bottom line.”

Such commentaries are not official policy statements, but are sometimes read as a reflection of government thinking.

More importantly, they serve as populism-timestamped warnings that US demands for a Chinese retreat over what the world's most populous nation considers' its own national interest, will backfire dramatically and the next time a US spy plane flies over the Spratly Islands, or Beijing's smog for that matter, a very serious diplomatic incident may ensue.
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Re: South China Sea War Newz
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2015, 03:15:48 PM »
China signals that their islands WILL be militarized.

http://rt.com/news/261989-china-military-defense-strategy/
Defense to offense: China unveils new military strategy to boost naval capability
May 26, 2015

China has unveiled a new defense strategy to boost its naval capability and said it will now shift from “territorial air defense” to both “defense and offense.” Beijing also slammed its neighbors for their “provocative actions” on its “reefs and islands.”

The white paper China’s military strategy was issued by the State Council on Tuesday, signaling ambitions for greater naval presence in the region where tensions are rising over disputed territories in the South China Sea.

“The [People's Liberation Army] Navy (PLAN) will gradually shift its focus from "offshore waters defense" to the combination of "offshore waters defense" with "open seas protection," and build a combined, multi-functional and efficient marine combat force structure,” says the document.

The white paper says that Chinese navy will also “enhance its capabilities for strategic deterrence and counterattack, maritime maneuvers, joint operations at sea, comprehensive defense and comprehensive support.”

In the document Beijing also stresses that it will shift its focus from territorial air defense to both defense and offense.

“The PLAAF will boost its capabilities for strategic early warning, air strike, air and missile defense, information countermeasures, airborne operations, strategic projection and comprehensive support.”

As tension are high in the region over disputed Spratly archipelago, China’s latest military white paper criticized its neighbors for their “provocative actions” on its ”reefs and islands.”

Spratly Islands are a disputed group of more than 750 reef, islets and islands in South China Sea. While China claims a vast majority of the sea, it still has territorial disputes with the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Brunei and Malaysia.

“On the issues concerning China's territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests, some of its offshore neighbors take provocative actions and reinforce their military presence on China's reefs and islands that they have illegally occupied,” Beijing said.

The document says that some “external” countries are also “busy meddling in South China Sea affairs; a tiny few maintain constant close-in air and sea surveillance and reconnaissance against China.”

US reconnaissance missions have led to increased tensions between Beijing and Washington as the latter continues to beef up its military presence in the Pacific.

On Monday, China lodged a complaint with the Washington over US spy aircraft which flew over the areas in the disputed South China Sea.

The islands also present concerns for US military. In March Washington accused Beijing of "unprecedented land reclamation," saying China is "creating a great wall of sand" over 4 sq km, in the disputed area in the South China Sea.

Washington is bolstering its own military presence in the region. US navy fleet commander Harris said the United States is currently preparing to shift 60 percent of its fleet to the Pacific by 2020.

Australia is also concerned about the situation. In 2014 it agreed with Japan to increase military cooperation and exercises as a hedge against China’s fast-growing military potential.

Chinese authorities insist their territorial claims have a historical basis and the US should not meddle in these disputes.

On Tuesday, China's Ministry of Transport hosted a ceremony for the construction of two lighthouses on Huayang Reef and Chigua Reef on largely disputed Spratly Islands in the South China Sea. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying described the construction as an “important measure to implement its corresponding international responsibilities and duties,” Reuters reports. She added that Beijing is planning to build more constructions on the disputed islands.
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