Ive pasted some posts from forums that are typical of what happening now illustrating concepts to show that my ideas are based on whats going on out there. Im open to everyones ideas, as I think this is an important facet of a slowly collapsing industrial economy and would be better if it can be managed maturely. Opening reasoned discussion is the first step. 23
How do you stand up to people who whine
Its only whining for men to complain of unfair treatment, they are meant to suffer silently or top themselves like most male victims
and moan about the male perspective being "disregarded" with the recent wave of feminism? (self.TwoXChromosomes)
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[–]acolossalbear 10 points 4 days ago*
Thanks. I just felt the need to ask because there seems to be a lot of volatility towards unwanted male opinions here lately. Didn't want to upset anyone or anything.
(That DOES sound whiny and emasculated. mate there is nothing to thank anyone for, feelings are not facts, no need to justify having an opinion or question and too bad if you upset anyone.)As a guy, you're told ad nauseam that "feminism covers men's issues too" and how it's a movement for true equality and that it's all anyone seeking equality needs. Now, eventually you're going to come to a point where you realize men deal with a lot of issues women don't. Majority suicide victims, majority homicide victims, custody rights, stuff like that. But you've been told that feminism covers men's issues too. Perfect. So you try to bring some of them up in feminist spaces. After all, you've been told that they're there to help.
But you're not met with help, or discussion, or even respect. You're met with people mocking you because "WHAT ABOUT THE MENZ", and "you're derailing!" and "feminism isn't for you". Which frankly is pretty confusing because you've already had it drilled into your head that feminism is a true equality movement and that they're there to help both genders work towards being equal, not just advancing women. So you look for someone who will take you seriously and won't jump down your throat for bringing up your own hardships. At this point, you'd probably find a place like r/mensrights or something similar, which at first seems great. A place where you, as a guy, can talk about guy issues without being attacked for it. It certainly seems more welcome than the reaction you got from the feminists, at least.
But it doesn't end there. You've made a mistake. You've associated with the evil collective boogeyman known as the "MRAs". Now, regardless of your opinion of women, you're instantly labeled a misogynist. You're an MRA after all. "Why do you hate women?" is something you'll hear a lot, in complete sincerity. And let's not forget "MRAs don't even need to exist. Feminism covers men's issues anyway.", so now we've gone full circle. Feminism is for everyone, but it's not for you. Feminism will help you with your problems, but don't talk about them. So you can't win no matter what you do.
Sorry I got a little rambly. I just figured I'd throw my two cents in. I know a male perspective is probably the last thing you care about right now, but maybe it can help you understand a little. Who knows.
Stop apologising for nothing, you know what youre really apologising for, be proud of your penis........................................................
On my phone at the moment, so I'm going to try to make this brief. We can't stop fighting. Every time I bring up anything remotely related to feminism, he acts like I'm attacking him and barely listens, then starts to "play devil's advocate" and spew out the most obvious shit
Yes it is obviously shit to any rational brain. This is why the writer here and no apologist for feminism ever adresses the facts. that feminism has been fighting for decades. He won't read articles I save for him (and I pick really good introductory ones!), so the extent of his knowledge of feminism mostly relies on bullshit internet stereotypes. And I just gave what was pretty much a seriously impassioned speech about why feminism is serious to me and my frustration with it being a joke to him, and he had the fucking nerve to tell me I need to start taking it as a joke! No motherfucker,
(The trying to act like men and liberate women to swear like sailors has made women like this unnatractive to self respecting men, part of the big scam on women and society sold short by the doctrine)YOU need to start taking it seriously! This isn't about me bending my will to yours,
(I dont read him saying that, but that biblical biological urge seems to be conflicting you, since you mention it) this is about opening yourself to a different facet of human experience and the rampant injustices that still exist today! I even have an analogy I've used on him multiple times - I'm white, so I'd never claim to know what it's like to be black. Likewise, he shouldn't assume he's right about a woman's experiences, because he isn't one. And he just throws it in my face that I "don't know what it's like to be a man." No shit, Sherlock,
( Guarantee this disrespectful attitude will get her dumped for a feminine female when hes finished) but you're still the race and gender that society has been benefiting for centuries.
So anyway, I guess that was more of a rant. I just really need some perspective, because in the last few years feminism has really become an important thing in my life (for personal as well as societal reasons), and his defensive knee-jerk reactions, unwillingness to educate himself or listen, and inability to empathize are really starting to fucking wear on me. There is somebody out there, I know, who wouldn't hear me plead about how it's important to me because of my abuse and the fact that all my closest friends have been raped, and those who pressed charges were told, in one way or another, that it was their fault, and then tell me that I need to fucking lighten up.
In the western world the probability of forced penetration rape, real rape is very small. Its a huge dismissive of those true victims to now include everyone who has been whistled at or experienced any persuasion or consumed alcohol prior to consented sex, as per the new definition. The resentment of being labelled rapists and boys being labelled as 'needing to be taught not to rape' and that we have a 'rape culture' is likely to have a very bad backlash at some point.Edit: by "introductory articles," I don't mean I'm giving him "homework." I stumble upon an article that's short and good for somebody who doesn't know about feminism and say, "Hey, I found this really good article, wanna read it?"
Tl;dr, pissed off feminist here, hawhaw
You dont haw haw if youre pissed off. Shes really bragging to the other feminists she is seeing a straight man and what a thrill it is to be stood up to.
10 years ago he would have kept his opinions to himself and taken his resentment out on her ass. Without the writing on the wall due to shortfalls in state services being provided, it would be the same now and in 10 years from now. People are increasingly aware that this victim pose is a luxury of boom times that can not be sustained and are more and more speaking their objection. Women realising they are going to need men to do the things a strong economy and state services have taken over but can not continue are distancing themselves from the ideology. 48 comments submitted at 04:06:49 on May 15, 2014 by anonslore112
[-] shipshipley 1 Points 08:20:08, 15 May
I think you're values simply don't mesh - there are plenty of male feminists out there to date tho! Dont' worry
She knows that but they dont turn her on....
On one hand, even as a political science grad, grasroots organizer, former campaign employee, and hardcore feminist, I don't think I'd ever say to my bf, "hey, wanna read this!?" unless it was something super crazy awesome weird whatever--I mean, like a 5x in a lifetime thing.
I thought normal people often give interesting things to partners to read and then talk about.Because that being said, I couldn't be with a man who didn't indicate from the get-go that he was a feminist. The first man I was ever in a relationship with insisted he, too, was a feminist and supported my bisexual monogamy,
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)which turned out to be bullshit and thus the very quick demise of our relationship.\
Honestly, it sounds like you picked the wrong guy. And speaking FROM EXPERIENCE, YES, it is somewhat harder to find black men who are feminists than it is white men. But it is what it is, and I am happy to say that my current (black) boyfriend is very clearly a feminist...but he's also an atheist (woohoo!) and pro-gay rights (woohoo!) which are two even rarer things to find, speaking as someone who's been required through school, to examine political views, religious beliefs, and voting habits based on race.
Side note: speaking from lots and lots of slutty experience,
Shes been programmed to believe men should be thankful for this rich experience which is why she is so proud to share it. Thye have been sold a lie and most men will then not take them seriously as anything except passtime sex objectsthe more generous a man is in bed, the more likely he is to be a feminist. If dude doesn't enjoy being on his knees, I bet ya ten bucks he's not a feminist. Might be a helpful filter in the future...before you get to the point of asking your beaus to read (likely dry) news articles.
This is the typical portrait of the type of woman I pity for being fucked up by feminism.