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Zero Tolerance for the Lie
« on: August 25, 2014, 04:28:08 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEQl2LvqWjk
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I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world.
You don’t know what it is but its there, like a splinter in your mind

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Re: Zero Tolerance for the Lie
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2014, 04:43:02 PM »
Az,
I'm going to show you how to post videos here so people can see them in the post.

Hit the quote button and see how I modified the code. Then do that for any videos you post. It looks better and gives the viewers a picture of the video as well.  :emthup:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/IEQl2LvqWjk#&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/IEQl2LvqWjk#&fs=1</a>


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Re: Zero Tolerance for the Lie
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2014, 04:58:46 PM »
SHARPEN YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS!!!!!!!! Great video.....thanx!   :emthup: :emthup: I can tune a guitar........ :)
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Re: Zero Tolerance for the Lie
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2014, 05:23:54 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEQl2LvqWjk
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An interesting semantic exercise but not much else. The guy doing the narration is just as much living the lie as everyone he bashes. I mean really, spiritual law? The guy seems to spin through all the belief systems, while pushing his own. He advocates thinking for oneself but certainly makes it seem as though everyone doing what they want, be it tattooing or using fuels, well, you must be quarantined. Just another megalomaniac thinking he has the answer. And if you disagree with him, well, you are a part of that OTHER herd. And they have been sold  delusion, versus what this guy wants to sell.

It nearly borders on Matrix stuff. Please, like Hollywood hasn't already done this far better.

http://www.warnerbros.com/movies/home-entertainment/the-matrix/37313ac7-9229-474d-a423-44b7a6bc1a54.html

Although his point that a sucker is born every minute is quite accurate. He doesn't note that he selling the same thing, but that would defeat the purpose of HIS sell, right?
Sometimes one creates a dynamic impression by saying something, and sometimes one creates as significant an impression by remaining silent.
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Re: Zero Tolerance for the Lie
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2014, 06:08:54 PM »
Mking says " He doesn't note that he selling the same thing, but that would defeat the purpose of HIS sell, right?"

Here is Michael Tsarion's web page......

http://www.michaeltsarion.com/

He is not selling anything, if you want to you can donate some money, but he is NOT selling.  Why is it that you feel like your left out of the big picture?
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Re: Zero Tolerance for the Lie
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 06:30:34 PM »
I'm giddy as a sophomore school girl to see the reply's after watching this in depth
lecture by Michael Tsarion (that guy doing the narrative) as MKing calls him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX_hR6ljXow
sorry I didn't embed it. Still learning.
I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world.
You don’t know what it is but its there, like a splinter in your mind

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Re: Zero Tolerance for the Lie
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2014, 06:37:27 PM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/LeIVz9lCZqQ&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/LeIVz9lCZqQ&fs=1</a>

Outlaw News

December 16, 2007


New Age guru Michael Tsarion, who has recently been publicly exposed as a Freemason and generational occultist, has threatened physical violence against one of the people who assisted this exposure – Chris White, of the ‘Nowhere to Run’ internet radio show, who recently did a show on Tsarion’s occult connections, noting among other things that he is an admitted member of the Rosicrucian Order.

This show was brought up on Tsarion’s forum, and rather than respond to any of the facts brought up by Chris, Tsarion simply called him “trash who has emerged from his fucking toilet” and then stated that “the only debate i’ll give this pathetic specimen is with my fist” (entire response posted below).

Though this comment was somewhat offhand, and not something one would really take to court as a threat of assault, it shows Tsarion’s mindset. By degrading Chris with Ad Hominem attacks, Tsarion claims that he has no obligation to respond to any of the facts he brought up.
When I tried to go on his forum and bring up some of the facts mentioned on the show, my comment was denied approval by one of the Admins. This doesn’t surprise me. If you go on his forum, you will see that people are talking about the show, but none of them have said one word about the actual content of it. This is because any mention of the facts brought up in the show is disallowed from Michael Tsarion’s forum. I encourage anyone who doubts this to go and try to post something negative about “Mtsar” on his forum.

His forum is filled with people who follow him with religious fervor, and on my own forum, I have found that his followers will viciously attack anyone who mentions anything negative about their great spiritual leader. This is no different from the behavior of the members of any other cult.

All of this is simply further proof of what those of us in the know were already well aware of: Michael Tsarion is a fake and a shill, put out by the powers that be to mix fact with fiction and create mass confusion among our movement. He promotes the belief in aliens as well as a mass of other occult garbage including tarot cards and astrology. He also promotes the Rothschild funded philosophy of Theosophy, and is an apologist for the very high Freemason and founder of the OTO, Aliester Crowley, who it is recently declassified was a paid agent of MI-6.

Alan Watt, though apparently hesitant to say all he knows about this situation, has several times indicated that Michael Tsarion, David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, and the rest of that little club are all disinformation agents, put out there to mix the truth with the sci-fi/fantasy world of the New Age religion. Here is a recent interview where Alan discusses this.

It is also worth noting that Tsarion’s forum is hosted by Red Ice Creations, the Admin of which, Henrik Palmgren, does a radio show where Michael Tsarion is a regular guest. Alan Watt used to appear on this show every month, but recently he has stopped being invited, claiming on his own show which airs on RBN that this was due to the fact that he refused to go along with the “alien agenda” propaganda which most of the Red Ice guests promote. I like the guy, and we regularly like to each others sites, but apparently, Henrik has become a member of the club.

Chris White is a friend of mine, and after the threats and hateful statements which Tsarion has made against him, this issue is pretty close to home; I also feel that the people doing what he is doing, sabotaging our movement from within, are actually more damaging that the attacks from without. I am going to continue to do everything I can to make sure this man is fully exposed, so as he is no longer able to harm people with his psychologically and spiritually destructive propaganda.
-Andre
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Re: Zero Tolerance for the Lie
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2014, 06:52:16 PM »
Ashvin.... you seem to be speaking for a very narrow crowd. It all rotates around your conversion to Christianity. As it says on Chris's web site.....

http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/

Please read the podcast summary on the right side of the page.

He is a quack!  :)
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Re: Zero Tolerance for the Lie
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2014, 07:03:39 PM »
  Well Ashvin is famous here for having banned me on The Automatic Earth for asking if his bosses, Illargi and stoneleigh, were fundamentalists like himself and approved of his turning the Automatic Earth into a platform for his preaching. We all know what goes around comes around but I guess Ashvin is a very special case of intolerance and fanaticism, being like he is so "logical" and all. Of course he and his employers parted company soon after that and so he departed to come over here and drive everybody crazy.  Karpatok

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Re: Zero Tolerance for the Lie
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2014, 07:22:49 PM »
Mking says " He doesn't note that he selling the same thing, but that would defeat the purpose of HIS sell, right?"

Here is Michael Tsarion's web page......

http://www.michaeltsarion.com/

He is not selling anything, if you want to you can donate some money, but he is NOT selling.  Why is it that you feel like your left out of the big picture?

So he isn't selling those books on alien visitation on Kindle? They are all free?

Sometimes one creates a dynamic impression by saying something, and sometimes one creates as significant an impression by remaining silent.
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Re: Zero Tolerance for the Lie
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2014, 07:28:01 PM »
Ashvin.... you seem to be speaking for a very narrow crowd. It all rotates around your conversion to Christianity. As it says on Chris's web site.....

http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/

Please read the podcast summary on the right side of the page.

He is a quack!  :)

It's really sad that you are using ad hom against Chris EXACTLY like your pal Tsarion did, without even watching his video or explaining why he is wrong about "Mtsar".

I don't agree with Chris on many of his theories, especially his theological dispensationalism, but at least he is intellectually HONEST and attempts to make rational arguments and rebuttals. That fact gives him much more INTEGRITY than any of the New Age "gurus" who are most definitely SELLING themselves to their followers, as all cult leaders do.

The reason I mostly link to Christian websites when criticizing the New Age spiritual movement is because they are generally the only people who care enough to put any time, money and effort into debunking it. Oh, and please do read Chris' podcast summary... it doesn't get any more quacky than that...  :icon_scratch:


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Re: Zero Tolerance for the Lie
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2014, 11:05:27 PM »
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so he departed to come over here and drive everybody crazy.  Karpatok

Ashvin never drove me crazy, and it was a fortunate day for the Diner when he joined in my opinion.

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Re: Zero Tolerance for the Lie
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2014, 11:43:37 PM »
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so he departed to come over here and drive everybody crazy.  Karpatok

Ashvin never drove me crazy, and it was a fortunate day for the Diner when he joined in my opinion.
   Well Bully for you GO. His endless discussions of the Bible and prosylitizing make me nauseous. If he would only occasionally go back to political analysis that might be very helpful in my view. If you love his arguments so much and his preachiness, and you were taught by the Jesuits, how come you never have much to add to that discussion?  Is it because Ashvin hates Catholics while he defends the good book with so much fervor? How tolerant, loving and non racist of him.   Karpatok

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Re: Zero Tolerance for the Lie
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2014, 12:06:56 AM »
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so he departed to come over here and drive everybody crazy.  Karpatok

Ashvin never drove me crazy, and it was a fortunate day for the Diner when he joined in my opinion.
   Well Bully for you GO. His endless discussions of the Bible and prosylitizing make me nauseous. If he would only occasionally go back to political analysis that might be very helpful in my view. If you love his arguments so much and his preachiness, and you were taught by the Jesuits, how come you never have much to add to that discussion?  Is it because Ashvin hates Catholics while he defends the good book with so much fervor? How tolerant, loving and non racist of him.   Karpatok

It's about his goals, his methods, his intellect, and unbelievable amount of study and scholarship. Ashvin is a good, and remarkable person.

My infrequent remarks are on account of the topic being too much for me to understand or comprehend. The more I was taught about religion the more I became confused and the never ending questions they bring to my mind.

To be honest about it, many of the questions RE brings up in the discussions were things that popped up in my mind over the years as well.

Ashvin's knowledge and dedication to explaining a lot of these mysteries has been helpful to me, and I feel that my place with him is in learning from him, listening mostly as it were. I do ask him a occasional question.

Your annoyance with him is no problem for me, we are all very different people K. I was merely pointing out that he does not annoy me, when you seemed to have spoken as if we were all annoyed.
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Re: Zero Tolerance for the Lie
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2014, 12:30:45 AM »
  Sorry Go, I should not have expressed it as I did. I'm sure that there are differing  views and appreciations here. I hate to see good brains be wasted, I've already expressed that I don't find it important what other peoples religious views may be, and I find it quite annoying and rude when they never let up trying to jam their views down people's throats. But  then I also find bragging inexcusable and it also goes on day and night here. I'm just not sure what the objective is in that kind of continuing discussion year in and year out while the world falls apart. Is it just a diversion until we all commit sepuku and the fat lady sings because our hands are tied behind our backs and this here and NOW is only a warm up for the real thing? That is also too defeatist and apathetic in my view. And simply lets people off the hook. No feeling of responsibility as they go on jawboning ad infinitum. Your friend in agony, Karpatok

 

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