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Re: You can enter, but you just can't leave
« Reply #11790 on: January 11, 2019, 06:41:26 AM »
  I have changed from being a monk and social justice warrior. In fact I don't even recollect being "them". I am now a Rebel. I've joined a couple of groups that are going to use mass protests about Global Warming. Some of protests get some of the protestors arrested.
  So ever since I stopped posting here i have been studying abrupt global warming. I think it might one major platform in the 2020 election. I think it increasing at accelerated pace. My sense is that we have about 20 years left before human extinction. I know we all have different views on this, so I am not going to post anything that attempts to back my theory here.
  This place has some of the most interesting posts I have encountered, so I am gonna hang around and post whatever inspires me to do so.

I am placing news about my theory on our website:

https://openmind693.wordpress.com/2017/09/09/the-6th-mass-extinction-symbol/

I don't disagree with your guesstimates, which I think are quite rational. It is awfully good to hear from you. Thank you for dropping in.

Good to hear from you.  I like the list.  Real facts and lots of them.
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« Reply #11791 on: January 11, 2019, 06:43:57 AM »
  I have changed from being a monk and social justice warrior. In fact I don't even recollect being "them". I am now a Rebel. I've joined a couple of groups that are going to use mass protests about Global Warming. Some of protests get some of the protestors arrested.
  So ever since I stopped posting here i have been studying abrupt global warming. I think it might one major platform in the 2020 election. I think it increasing at accelerated pace. My sense is that we have about 20 years left before human extinction. I know we all have different views on this, so I am not going to post anything that attempts to back my theory here.
  This place has some of the most interesting posts I have encountered, so I am gonna hang around and post whatever inspires me to do so.

I am placing news about my theory on our website:

https://openmind693.wordpress.com/2017/09/09/the-6th-mass-extinction-symbol/

What a great pleasure to drop in and find you here, knarf.

Wishing you every success in accomplishing your objective. And glad to know you are well.
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« Reply #11792 on: January 11, 2019, 07:04:56 AM »
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White House Considers Using Storm Aid Funds as a Way to Pay for the Border Wall
« Reply #11793 on: January 11, 2019, 08:06:48 AM »
President Trump traveled to the border on Thursday to warn of crime and chaos on the frontier, as White House officials considered diverting emergency aid from storm- and fire-ravaged Puerto Rico, Florida, Texas and California to build a border barrier, perhaps under an emergency declaration.

In a sign of growing unease about the partial government shutdown, some Senate Republicans came off the sidelines to hash out a deal that would reopen the government as Congress worked toward a broader agreement tying wall funds to protection for some undocumented immigrants and other migrants.

But before those negotiations could gain momentum, they collapsed. Vice President Mike Pence and other members of Mr. Trump’s team let it be known privately that the president would not back such a deal.

“It kind of fell apart,” said Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, who was among those Republicans seeking a deal.

“It is time for President Trump to use emergency powers to fund the construction of a border wall/barrier,” he said later in a brief statement. He added, “I hope it works.”

The administration appeared to be looking into just such a solution: using extraordinary emergency powers to get around Congress in funding the wall. Among the options, the White House has directed the Army Corps of Engineers to determine whether it can divert for wall construction $13.9 billion allocated last year after devastating hurricanes and wildfires, according to congressional and Defense Department officials with knowledge of the matter, who insisted on anonymity to discuss the possibility.

Administration officials are debating whether they could make such a move without the president declaring a national emergency, an action the White House counsel’s office has explored.

But Mr. Trump’s advisers, including his son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, have urged him to try to find other approaches than declaring a national emergency. Mr. Kushner’s role was first reported by The Wall Street Journal.

The advisers have warned him of a range of possible negative outcomes, particularly the risk of losing in court, people familiar with the discussions said.
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Aides have suggested that Mr. Trump would be giving a dysfunctional Congress a pass from fulfilling its duties if he makes an aggressive move. And some of his more conservative advisers have suggested a national emergency declaration is a form of government overreach that is antithetical to conservative principles.

As the shutdown neared Day 21 — the second longest in history — Mr. Trump used a visit to a border facility in McAllen, Tex., to blame the protracted shutdown on Democrats, charging that their opposition to a wall was responsible for brutal crime and violence.

“You’ll have crime in Iowa, you’ll have crime in New Hampshire, you’ll have crime in New York” without a wall, he warned.

“We could stop that cold,” he added.

Mr. Trump also repeated his demand for the money from Congress while saying that Mexico would somehow provide funds indirectly for the wall, a contradiction of what he said in December when he wrote in a Twitter post, “I often stated, ‘One way or the other, Mexico is going to pay for the Wall.’ ”

“I didn’t say they’re going to write me a check for $10 billion or $20 billion,” Mr. Trump said on Thursday. “If Congress approves this trade bill, they’ll pay for the wall many times over. When I say Mexico’s going to pay for the wall, that’s what I mean.”

It was among the bewildering statements that underscored his often contradictory attempts to force Democrats to capitulate. Mr. Trump renewed his threat to declare a national emergency and build his wall without congressional approval.

“We can declare a national emergency,” Mr. Trump said. “We shouldn’t have to.”

Later, standing just by the Rio Grande with military vehicles and border agents as his backdrop, he said he would consider a compromise that would allow undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children, often known as Dreamers, to maintain legal status they lost when he ended the Obama-era program that protected them.

“I would like to do a much broader form of immigration,” Mr. Trump said. “We could help the Dreamers.”

Only hours earlier, Mr. Pence had rejected such a deal, saying the president wanted to wait until the Supreme Court ruled this spring on whether the program, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, was constitutional. “No wall, no deal,” Mr. Pence declared in a briefing with reporters on Capitol Hill. “We’re going to keep standing strong, keep standing firm.”

The vice president faulted the Democrats, but he has essentially blocked potential solutions for the impasse. He has made it clear that Mr. Trump would not drop his insistence on funding for a wall on the southwestern border, which Democrats have branded a nonstarter.

Mr. Pence also indicated that the president was disinclined to accept the idea behind a bipartisan plan that had been under discussion in the Senate that would trade wall funding for legal status for undocumented immigrants facing the threat of deportation, including the Dreamers and people who previously held Temporary Protected Status.

Privately, he told Mr. Graham’s group that the president also would not support a proposal that would reopen the government for three weeks while Republicans and Democrats work to hash out a broader legislative deal on the wall and temporary grants of legal status for the two groups.

“We’re kind of stuck,” Mr. Graham conceded.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California, also showed no signs of budging, urging the Republican-controlled Senate to take up a measure that the House passed on Wednesday to reopen part of the government. The House passed two more measures on Thursday, this time funding the Departments of Housing and Urban Development, Transportation and Agriculture, as well as the Food and Drug Administration.

A dozen Republicans crossed party lines to support one of the measures — slightly more than in previous votes, but no indicator that the patience of Mr. Trump’s own party was wearing thin.

“We say to them: ‘Take yes for an answer. This is what you had proposed,’” Ms. Pelosi said at a news conference. “Why are you rejecting it at the expense of the health, safety and well-being of the American people? Do you take an oath to the American people, or to Donald Trump?”

The showdown has forced 800,000 federal workers to go without pay and placed federal benefits for millions more in jeopardy, with the fallout being felt across the United States. Without debate on Thursday, the Senate unanimously passed legislation to ensure that workers who go without salaries receive back pay when the government reopens. Senator Mitch McConnell Republican of Kentucky and the majority leader, said Mr. Trump had assured him he would sign the bill.

The partial shutdown will almost certainly become the longest in American history on Saturday, eclipsing a 21-day lapse that began in December 1995. Mr. Trump tweeted Thursday that he would skip a planned trip to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, slated to begin Jan. 22, because of the impasse.

The implosion of the congressional deal left lawmakers bracing for Mr. Trump to declare a national emergency. Senior Democrats were exploring both legislative and legal options to challenge the move.

The president is allowed to divert unspent money from projects under a national emergency. But a senior administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe confidential discussions, questioned the legality of using Army Corps funding, saying it would be subject to restrictions under the Stafford Act, which governs disaster relief. The official said the process was as much a political exercise intended to threaten projects Democrats valued as a pragmatic one.

“That would be a travesty,” Representative Peter A. DeFazio, Democrat of Oregon and the chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, said in an interview.

“It’s all speculative at this point,” he said, alluding wryly to Mr. Trump’s penchant for abrupt announcements at all hours of the day and night. “Until we get a tweet at 2:30 tomorrow morning, we won’t know.”

Still, Republican senators who had called for reopening the government while the debate over border security continues said they were disappointed.

“It’s very difficult when we’re dealing with people who do not want to budge at all with their positions, and that’s the president and Speaker Pelosi,” Senator Susan Collins of Maine said. “They’re each very dug in on their position, and that’s made this very difficult to resolve.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/us/politics/border-wall-government-shutdown.html
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The continuing growth in renewable energy around the world is set to boost the power of China while undermining the influence of major oil exporters such as Russia and Middle East states like Saudi Arabia, according to a new report on the geopolitical implications of the changing energy landscape.

With a leading position in renewable energy output as well as in related technologies such as electric vehicles, Beijing now finds itself in an influential position which other countries may struggle to counter.

“No country has put itself in a better position to become the world’s renewable energy superpower than China,” says the report, which was issued by the Global Commission on the Geopolitics of Energy Transformation – a group chaired by a former president of Iceland, Olafur Grimsson.

The commission was set up by the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) last year and its findings were published on January 11 in Abu Dhabi, at IRENA’s annual assembly.

The report argues that the geopolitical and socio-economic consequences of the rapid growth of renewable energy could be as profound as those which accompanied the shift from biomass to fossil fuels two centuries ago. The changes are likely to include the emergence of new energy leaders around the world, changing patterns of trade and the development of new alliances. It could also spark instability in some countries which have grown dependent on oil and gas revenues.
One of the key factors driving these changes is that, unlike traditional fossil fuels, renewable energy sources are widely available around the world. Whether it is solar or wind power, tidal energy or hydroelectric plants, most countries have the potential to develop some clean energy themselves. This means that many countries which currently have to import most of their energy will in the future be able to generate their own power – helping to improve their trade balance and reducing their vulnerability to volatile prices.

While the changes promise to democratize the provision of energy, not all countries will fare equally well in the new landscape.

The report points out that China has taken a lead in renewable energy and is now the world’s largest producer, exporter and installer of solar panels, wind turbines, batteries and electric vehicles.

China also has a clear lead in terms of the underlying technology, with well over 150,000 renewable energy patents as of 2016, 29% of the global total. The next closest country is the U.S., which had a little over 100,000 patents, with Japan and the E.U. having closer to 75,000 patents each.

While not all patents are useful or valuable, these figures give an indication of how much investment different countries have been putting into the industry. By contrast, major oil exporters such as Russia, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia had negligible numbers of renewable energy patents.

“The renewables revolution enhances the global leadership of China, reduces the influence of fossil fuel exporters and brings energy independence to countries around the world,” said Grimsson, speaking at the launch of the report. “The transformation of energy brings big power shifts.”

Beyond China, there are a few other groups of countries which stand to gain from the trends now under way. They include countries with high potential for renewable energy generation, such as Australia and Chile, which could become significant exporters of renewable electricity. Mineral-rich countries such as Bolivia, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Mongolia could also tap into rising global demand for their raw materials.

There are great dangers for other countries though. In particular, there is the potential for political instability in oil-exporting countries which find their revenues drying up. And some countries blessed with large reserves of newly-popular resources used by the renewable energy industry may also be at risk of a new wave of the resource curse.

The Global Commission’s report notes that the states of the Middle East and North Africa, together with Russia and other countries in the Commonwealth of Independent States are most exposed to a reduction in fossil fuel revenues. On average, these regions have net fossil fuel exports of more than a quarter of their GDP. “Declining export revenues will adversely affect their economic growth prospects and national budgets,” the report says. “To prevent economic disruption, they will need to adapt their economies and reduce their dependence on fossil fuels.”

Many of these governments are well aware of the risks they face and have been making significant investments into renewable energy in recent years. For example, the UAE has developed vast solar energy parks and Saudi Arabia recently unveiled plans to develop 59GW of renewable energy by 2030. However, while these will provide a useful source of energy in the future, they won’t do anything to replace the loss of income if oil and gas demand slumps around the world. Despite launching many economic diversification programs, governments in the Gulf in particular have yet to find a way to break their dependency on oil revenues.

However, the Gulf states at least have the benefit of large savings which they can use to try and remodel their economies, or at least soften the blow as oil and gas demand declines. Other oil exporting countries are more vulnerable to instability, particularly those which are already unstable or have weak political systems, such as the Republic of Congo, Iraq, Libya, South Sudan, Venezuela and Yemen.

On a more positive note, most countries in sub-Saharan Africa ought to benefit from lower energy costs if they can develop domestic renewable energy to replace their existing fossil fuel imports. The same is true for countries in south Asia and other energy importers such as European countries, China and Japan.

Stressing a more optimistic view, Adnan Amin, director general of IRENA, said at the launch of the report that “The global energy transformation driven by renewables can reduce energy-related geopolitical tensions as we know them and will foster greater cooperation between states. This transformation can also mitigate social, economic and environmental challenges that are often among the root causes of geopolitical instability and conflict.”

However, he acknowledged that the changes now under way present both opportunities and challenges and said “the benefits will outweigh the challenges, but only if the right policies and strategies are in place. It is imperative for leaders and policy makers to anticipate these changes, and be able to manage and navigate the new geopolitical environment.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2019/01/11/china-renewable-energy-superpower/#2eed3d91745a
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Tick Tock Motherf*ckers!
« Reply #11795 on: January 11, 2019, 08:27:32 AM »
Strap in, kids, we're headed for some turbulence. After only 15 months of breathless predictions that Mueller might be wrapping his investigation any second now, it looks like shit may actually, for real, hit the fan in the next two months. Rod Rosenstein is inching toward the exit and is likely to nope right out once Mueller submits his homework. Rudy Giuliani has definitively announced that Trump is making BYE BYE to any cooperation he might have given to the NO COLLUSION inquiry. And last night the Washington Post reported that Trump's real lawyers are staffing up.

White House Counsel Pat Cipollone recently hired 17 lawyers to prepare for the twin impacts of the Russia probe and a wave of inquiries by the newly empowered Democratic House. No word on whether the president's lawyers are getting paid during the shutdown.
Time for a lawsplainer!

Cast your mind back nine months to a warm spring day when we all shared a good laugh at Steve Bannon's insane rantings on "How To Dissolve Russia Investigation In An Acid-Filled Bathtub." Bannon was breaking out in hives because Trump's then-lawyers John Dowd and Ty Cobb had allowed quit-fired White House Counsel Don McGahn and the rest of the goon squad to run their mouths to Robert Mueller. So Ol' Gin Farts hatched A PLAN to claw back the eleventy million hours of testimony by retroactively invoking executive privilege, telling The Post:

    "The president wasn't fully briefed by his lawyers on the implications" of not invoking executive privilege, Bannon told The Washington Post in an interview Wednesday. "It was a strategic mistake to turn over everything without due process, and executive privilege should be exerted immediately and retroactively."

Yeah, it's a real dumb plan. But it's actually not far off what Trump's real lawyers wound up with. The new and improved version goes something like this:

    Robert Mueller works for the Justice Department, which is part of the executive branch;
    So whatever shit Priebus, McGahn, or Kush told Mueller was inside the executive bubble;
    Ipso facto res ipsa loquitur Trump can now assert executive privilege to prevent that info being shared with Congress, which is outside the executive branch.

TA DAAAAA!

So, let's play this one out, shall we? We know that in May of 2017, Trump huddled up with Javanka and rancid weenus Stephen Miller at his garbage palace in New Jersey (yeah, the one with the undocumented staff). They returned to the White House with a crazyass UR FIRED CUZ RUSSIA letter to James Comey. Don McGahn took one look at it and said Hell to the NO! Which is how Rod Rosenstein wound up drafting that BS memo saying that Comey had to go for being mean to Hillary Clinton. Mueller has the original memo, he has McGahn's testimony as to what went down, and he has Rosenstein's version of events. But in Giuliani's fevered imagination, ALL OF THAT likely falls under this retroactive executive and deliberative process privilege, so it is illegal to disclose it to Congress.

Neat trick, huh? A sitting president can't be indicted, he can only be impeached. But he also has the unilateral right to claim privilege over all the evidence against him. So too bad, so sad Congress can't find out about Trump obstructing justice as president.

YEAH, NO. Here's a handy dandy primer on executive privilege from the nerd rockstars at Lawfare. And here's an interesting Twitter thread from former Solicitor General Neal Katyal, who helped draft the special counsel statute, on Trump's plan to claw back all Mueller's obstruction evidence through the Hot Tub Time Machine Executive Privilege Defense.

TL, DR? He can try it, but it's not going to work. It didn't work for Nixon with his tapes. It didn't work when Obama tried to assert executive privilege as a shield against congressional oversight in the Fast and Furious inquiry. And try as they might, the GOP hasn't managed to turn the judiciary into a partisan arm of the Republican party yet. The Supreme Court just let stand a ruling imposing $50,000 in fines per day on the foreign company resisting subpoena in the Mueller investigation, and John Roberts is in no mood for Trump's bullshit. The world is terrifying and scary, but trust us on this one IT WON'T WORK.

So, now what? Now we sue! And by "now" we mean five minutes after Mueller drops his report and Trump tries to bury it. And by "we" we mean House Judiciary Democrats, House Intel Democrats, CREW, and every media outlet in the country. This will be messy and horrible and no decent person would put the country through it. Donald Trump is not a decent person. But seriously, IT WON'T WORK.

We'll make it through this. Promise.

https://www.wonkette.com/tick-tock-motherf-ckers
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Tens of thousands march in Argentina against Macri's austerity
« Reply #11796 on: January 11, 2019, 08:42:37 AM »
LIMA (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of Argentines marched through Buenos Aires on Thursday carrying torches, in the first of a series of planned protests against President Mauricio Macri’s austerity programme and the soaring cost of public services.

Macri slashed subsidies for public utilities and other services to reduce the country’s chronic fiscal deficit, pushing electricity and gas rates up more 2,000 percent since the start of his term, according to estimates by local media.

Rates are expected to increase even more this year.

“People can’t make ends meet. All the measures taken by the government go against workers,” Pablo Moyano, a leader of a union of truck drivers, said during the protest.

Weekly demonstrations are planned through early February, increasing pressure on Macri to solve the country’s economic crisis ahead of a presidential election late this year.

Last year, when the economy contracted, inflation neared 50 percent and the peso lost close to 50 percent of its value, Macri reached an unpopular deal with the IMF for a $57 billion (44.7 billion pounds) lifeline in exchange for a commitment to cut the deficit.

The protesters on Thursday, who witnesses estimated numbered at least 20,000, carried effigies of Macri and signs that read “Enough of the Macri/IMF austerity programme” as they marched past the city’s obelisk monument towards Congress.

A union of truck drivers and a federation of workers’ unions organised the protests. Members of leftist political parties and independent Argentines have joined in.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-argentina-protests/tens-of-thousands-march-in-argentina-against-macris-austerity-idUKKCN1P42V1
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Re: Tick Tock Motherf*ckers!
« Reply #11797 on: January 11, 2019, 08:46:13 AM »
So, now what? Now we sue! And by "now" we mean five minutes after Mueller drops his report and Trump tries to bury it. And by "we" we mean House Judiciary Democrats, House Intel Democrats, CREW, and every media outlet in the country. This will be messy and horrible and no decent person would put the country through it. Donald Trump is not a decent person. But seriously, IT WON'T WORK.

We'll make it through this. Promise.

https://www.wonkette.com/tick-tock-motherf-ckers

I hope Wonkette is correct. I have night-sweats about this being decided in the Supreme Court with Justice Boofing Fruit-of-the-Poison-Tree casting the deciding vote.
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« Reply #11798 on: January 11, 2019, 08:52:05 AM »
The best case is he gets to slink away, ala Nixon. Not going to jail for any of his many real crimes of the past might encourage him to not fight when somebody offers him a way out.

But he's so arrogant he might not back down. Anybody got any polonium?
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« Reply #11799 on: January 11, 2019, 09:43:20 AM »
The best case is he gets to slink away, ala Nixon. Not going to jail for any of his many real crimes of the past might encourage him to not fight when somebody offers him a way out.

But he's so arrogant he might not back down. Anybody got any polonium?

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« Reply #11800 on: January 11, 2019, 10:22:18 AM »
Now that's funny...in a very sick and twisted way, of course.
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« Reply #11801 on: January 11, 2019, 10:26:34 AM »
  I have changed from being a monk and social justice warrior. In fact I don't even recollect being "them". I am now a Rebel. I've joined a couple of groups that are going to use mass protests about Global Warming. Some of protests get some of the protestors arrested.
  So ever since I stopped posting here i have been studying abrupt global warming. I think it might one major platform in the 2020 election. I think it increasing at accelerated pace. My sense is that we have about 20 years left before human extinction. I know we all have different views on this, so I am not going to post anything that attempts to back my theory here.
  This place has some of the most interesting posts I have encountered, so I am gonna hang around and post whatever inspires me to do so.

I am placing news about my theory on our website:

https://openmind693.wordpress.com/2017/09/09/the-6th-mass-extinction-symbol/

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Study finds more than half of Michigan medical marijuana users admit to driving
« Reply #11802 on: January 11, 2019, 04:00:16 PM »


At the most advanced driving simulator in the world, at the University of Iowa, a study on the effects of driving under the influence of cannabis has been in high gear. Dr. Marilyn Huestis has been studying cannabis for 20 years and showed "60 Minutes" around the lab two years ago.

"The ability to take information in, evaluate it, make decisions and initiate them, greatly affected by cannabis," she said.

Those potential dangers are at the heart of a study from the University of Michigan published on Wednesday. Of the nearly 800 of Michigan medical cannabis users surveyed, 51 percent admitted to driving while "a little high" and 21 percent said they had driven while "very high."

That's a concern for law enforcement. There are  2.1 million medical marijuana users across 33 states. Right now, there is no reliable roadside test to know for sure if a driver is impaired by cannabis.

Neurologist Dr. Orrin Devinsky of NYU Langone Health conducted the trials that led to the first FDA approved cannabis medication, a drug for epilepsy. He believes the use of medical marijuana and the legislation of it has gotten ahead of the science.

"Essentially politicians have voted that this should be a legal medical therapy and we don't have data from rigorous scientific studies to define what the safety is," he said.

It's significant that Devinsky, a pioneer in medical cannabis use, is concerned. He said we need more specific guidance on how to use it in as safe a way as possible. That includes being able to tell patients how long to wait before driving and figuring out ways to reliably know what role it may be playing in motor vehicle accidents.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/driving-while-high-university-of-michigan-study-finds-more-than-half-of-michigan-medical-marijuana-users-admit/
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« Reply #11803 on: January 11, 2019, 04:32:15 PM »
These articles ignore a huge amount of anecdotal evidence that the typical assumption they make...(and that is that cannabis smoking among experienced cannabis users affects their driving in some kind of serious way analogous to alcohol, and so contributes to accidents)......is very clearly wrong.

Regular pot smokers MOSTLY drive fine, and have NO accidents. It's different than alcohol, which is completely dose dependent and the effects of which cannot be avoided or mitigated by practice or habituation.

All regular pot smokers know this, and so tend to scoff at this kind of "science", which appears to them to be spurious and some kind move to perpetuate the "war on drugs" by vested interests, who have their own agenda (which isn't objective truth, btw).

There are certainly measurable differences in physical responses on the part of people who get high. But the claim that pot smokers are out there causing lots of accidents and maybe committing vehicular homicides.....I don't buy it.

A concern for law enforcement? Those nice public servants trying to protect us?

Bullshit.

Washington-based AAA safety foundation says conceivably sound drivers may be put in jail for driving under the influence of marijuana, while those who are unsafe and unfit to drive go free.

The study they have commissioned said it’s not possible to set a blood-test limit for THC that can reliably determine cannabis impairment, yet the laws in 5 out of 6 states implement the legal tests.


They would necessarily deduce a driver is guilty if the test results show higher THC than the threshold, and not liable if a driver test lower- free to go back behind the wheel.

There is no science that drivers become impaired upon reaching a particular level of cannabis THC in their blood, rather greatly depends on the individual.


https://darkwebnews.com/drugs/marijuana-driving-impact/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722956/

https://www.livescience.com/51450-driving-on-marijuana-alcohol-dangerous.html







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Medical Marijuana helps relieve suffering in hundreds of different illnesses
« Reply #11804 on: January 11, 2019, 08:04:12 PM »
These articles ignore a huge amount of anecdotal evidence that the typical assumption they make...(and that is that cannabis smoking among experienced cannabis users affects their driving in some kind of serious way analogous to alcohol, and so contributes to accidents)......is very clearly wrong.  relieve

Regular pot smokers MOSTLY drive fine, and have NO accidents. It's different than alcohol, which is completely dose dependent and the effects of which cannot be avoided or mitigated by practice or habituation.

All regular pot smokers know this, and so tend to scoff at this kind of "science", which appears to them to be spurious and some kind move to perpetuate the "war on drugs" by vested interests, who have their own agenda (which isn't objective truth, btw).

There are certainly measurable differences in physical responses on the part of people who get high. But the claim that pot smokers are out there causing lots of accidents and maybe committing vehicular homicides.....I don't buy it.

A concern for law enforcement? Those nice public servants trying to protect us?

Bullshit.

Washington-based AAA safety foundation says conceivably sound drivers may be put in jail for driving under the influence of marijuana, while those who are unsafe and unfit to drive go free.

The study they have commissioned said it’s not possible to set a blood-test limit for THC that can reliably determine cannabis impairment, yet the laws in 5 out of 6 states implement the legal tests.


They would necessarily deduce a driver is guilty if the test results show higher THC than the threshold, and not liable if a driver test lower- free to go back behind the wheel.

There is no science that drivers become impaired upon reaching a particular level of cannabis THC in their blood, rather greatly depends on the individual.


https://darkwebnews.com/drugs/marijuana-driving-impact/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722956/

https://www.livescience.com/51450-driving-on-marijuana-alcohol-dangerous.html


Correct me if I am wrong. The FDA has approved medical marijuana for the treatment of Epilepsy. That's it. So how do states vote to use Marijuana for a number of illnesses? The rigorous tests the FDA administers is a joke. All their studies are "mixed" (inconsistent). Well, duh. I know from personal experience that when my chronic night nausea happens ( which is almost every night ) taking a few hits of pot makes the nausea go away. It is the same with people suffering from old age deterioration, and many diseases that marijuana helps relieve the suffering.
Missouri just past the Medical Marijuana bill. I am trying to find doctors who understand that the benefits out weigh the "dangers" from smoking. I have a doctors appointment  with my family practice physician in two weeks to talk to him about it.
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